This Olympics gets dumber and dumber the more I hear abt it, two new arenas but no Gabba upgrade when it's clearly past it? It's like they want people to lose faith in them
It’s madness isn’t it? Brisbane does not need 2 additional arenas and they will replace the Gabba at absolute worst 10 years post the Games. I agree it’s already past its use by date so why wait? It’s literally the perfect time to replace it!
@@albertmiller2electricbooga897 more like 297 students... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Brisbane_State_School down due to the uncertainty of its future - should really be a 500+ kid school to cater for the population growth expected in the area.
@@ashleyrutherford3763 The people voting for Labor will take this title. Sadly poor people will vote for cheap temporary projects over building for the future.
I was wondering if I heard right! They're planning that over a Gabba rebuild? Holding the athletics there will be an embarrassment and you're spending almost the same cost to build a brand new stadium.
Regardless of the olympics, I think brissy needs and a good 60-70k stadium. I could agree with some upgrade to Suncorp but its pretty space limited being inner city and their stupid restrictions of 20 events over 30k. If they can remove the restrictions and have unlimited events and have some space (but i think its could be workable to extend it to 60-70k using the current space), then i could agree with a pure suncorp stadium expansion.
One of the problems with upgrading Suncorp is the limited space to house construction equipment. For example, new stadium girders and trusses can't be stored onsite and will need to be transported (in the dead of night to avoid traffic congestion.) Compared to a vacant 'green-field' site, the construction costs are going to be much higher.
Exactly. The existing venues are already old and tired. I think a lot of people are overlooking this. If Perth and Hobart can build new stadiums without an Olympics then Brisbane can too.
One way to reduce building white elephant venues is to hold basketball preliminaries in Sydney and/or Melbourne in the first week at Qudos Bank Arena & Rod Laver Arena. They are better venues than the proposed indoor stadium, which will cost hundreds of millions & be a white elephant after the Games. It also will attract better crowds & share benefits of Olympics to other cities. Then hold basketball finals at Brisbane Arena after swimming has concluded. Or build a new aquatic centre & have gymnastics in first week & basketball in second. Paris is did something similar by having basketball preliminaries in Lyon & Lille.
It wont be a white elephant because after the games its planned to replace the old entretainment centre out at boondall which would be reclaimed as part of the boondall wetlands. At least, that was the original plan. Alternatively if they want to save costs, they could also upgrade that tired old entretainment centre and host the olympic basketball there but when its currently in basketball mode, its only got 11, 000 seats which is big for our NBL to fill up, but tiny for the olympics when most basketball venues for the olympics often have 15, 000 - 20, 000 seats. I do get your point though, your idea should also be considered.
In terms of construction costs - are they really insanely high in SEQ? The other day I was looking at the costing for the new rail line to the Sunshine Coast where the projected cost is between 5 and 7 billion dollars with two new stations and 19km of track. Perth just extended a line with 14km of new track and 3 new stations, and did it for $1.25b. I know there are many other variables involved, but it seems insane that Perth can do things so much cheaper. If costs are that high in Qld, I can kinda see why the gov is so worried about building new stadiums.
Youre forgetting one major difference between WA and QLD. It seems that the WA actually had an inkling of forward planning. For instance, a lot of the rail extensions (well the bits that ive seen anyway) run down the pre existing right of way on the highways. Thant dramatically reduced the price and red tape. Whereas heer in QLD politicians on both sides of the fence rarely have enough foresight to see beyond the next election.
The QSAC proposal makes an idiotic kind of sense.. A condition of hosting is that Brisbane itself (as the primary host) can provide an existing stadium that can be renovated to provide all the required facilities for a moderate price. The fact is, Brisbane isn't exactly flush with stadiums that could fit an Olympic athletics track. And only QSAC can actually be renovated to include all the other amenities for a reasonable price. The problem with the Gabba is that it's really a 20,000 seat stadium that has had 35,000 seats shoehorned in. This is impressive in its own way, but it means that where the dressing rooms would normally be, there's seats. Where the media facilities and commentary boxes would normally be, there's seats. Where the security and logistics and medical and administrative facilities would normally be, there's (you guessed it) seats. Retrofitting all these facilities into the existing stadium would mean removing half the existing seats, and rebuilding the stadium to have the same number of seats AND all the other amenities would require a profound (and expensive) reimagining of the whole stadium, from the ground up. It wasn't long after this was revealed that the IOC (via Coates) announced that they were no longer in favour of the Gabba. They gave a nonsense reason for shifting their support to QSAC, but the timing makes it impossible to believe that it was for any reason other than that sheer exorbitant cost of a suitable renovation of the Gabba.
They’ll probably be fine in the end. There were probably a lot of people saying the same about Sydney in the lead-up to 2000, but they ended up being the best games ever. EDIT: but yes, the Gabba 100% needs to be rebuilt.
One big bonus that QLD has its existing stadiums are 1st class although we do need to probably upgrade QE 2 Stadium asap if we want to host athletics there
I'd be very very very surprised if QSAC remains as the option. There's no support for it at all. From my understanding Brisbane Live wont be built over the train line. It's too difficult/expensive/disruptive to do that. I think they changed the location to the triangle bit of land at Roma St parklands near College Rd and the rail line. Also, AUD$2.2B is USD$1.5B. It's also a projection. So not current dollars. It'll be an expensive venue. Probably the most expensive in Australia, if they don't build another stadium for the Olympics. But it's not quite up there with the big US stadiums.
Brisbane needs a stadium with a roof to make it available no matter the weather. The very reason big international events like Taylor Swift, don’t come here. This is an opportunity to build one that holds a large capacity of people.
Would rather a new stadium that would be used for decades after then a swimming arena. The big concerts in Brisbane are already played at Suncorp so a new arena for that much is bonkers
Brisbane Live has been in the works well before the Olympics were bid on. For better or worse, it's a public-private construction project. I.e. to be built on public land (Roma St Parklands) with the developer paying all costs, but usage will be privatised (developer collects all ticket fees.) The only real shame is the change of location -having it over the existing station would have been great as there's no loss of public space. Plus it's immediately accessible and even walkable from the CBD. The new location has it moved to the far north-west corner (where the parkland maintenance yards are.) Which means a net loss in usable parkland space, and a bit of a long walk from the station.
Bit confused why they'd play preliminary games in Sydney and Melb for the soccer. Just keep it in QLD. Anyhow.. i dont think it would require the AFL season to pause. They've done the "Gather round" in Adelaide the last few seasons, just do that during the olympics. 1 week covered. Then the other week/s have the QLD teams play interstate, and the Vic teams play at Marvel stadium instead of MCG. Not that hard to get around these issues
It’s pretty common for host cities to farm preliminary games out to other cities in the country. When sydney hosted the Olympics in 2000, there were quite a number of prelim game hosted in brisbane, Melbourne and Canberra.
They always play(association) football around the country (see Sydney2000) Expect AFL and NRL to just adjust their fixtures so that Qld teams play out of state for a month.
It makes sense as you need probably 7 or 8 stadiums to host the football tournament. You'd have Suncorp to host a SF and Final, QCB, Robina, Sunshine Coast and Cairns in Qld. But you'd think they'd use Allianz and AAMI Park instead of Accor and MCG as unless Mbappe or someone of that ilk comes out they don't need a half full MCG or Accor.
Remember traditionally Cities were given only 7 years from winning the hosting rights to the actual hosting. Plenty could happen yet. But then again, I thought that Qatar would never actually hold the World Cup, but they did.
Why not just call the IOC's bluff and use the existing infrastructure and stadiums s/east Queensland already has. Between the com games facilities on the goldcoast and Brisbane they could adequately host the Olympics. Brisbane was basically the sole potential bidder for these games , so just do the take it or leave it approach , because no other city wants it.
Do we really want to be the city that ends the Olympics? because a cheap games will do that. People need to realise that when the Gabba passes its expiration date in 2030, then we have to fork out the billions again for a new stadium. Do it now while we have the funding! Temporary projects shows that labor is a re-active government over pro-active. Anyone who cannot see that is the reason why we're in so much debt
$2.1 billion for an 18,000 seat arena? I know costs have gone up since, but Perth got a state of the art 61,000 seat oval stadium (which would be good for Olympic opening and closing ceremonies, athletics and AFL and cricket afterwards) for less than that. Seems absurd and embarrassing.
Although I haven't looked into this much (yet), it seems the issue we're having is the tug-o-war between wanting to have an impressive Olympics and having a sustainable Olympics. The two are kind of at odds with each other, and it seems nobody wants to pick a side (especially at this time with the election coming up). Either way there'll be a large group of people unhappy with it - either they're wasting too much money on the event, or it'll be embarrassing. No approach will make everyone happy, so in the end, not wanting to make anyone mad, they don't get anything done well.
@GreenGamer-vy4dx Snowing ??? Some winter olympic city does not snow during the event like Vancouver and Beijing. They made snow for all skiing event. In this case, Brisbane can do the same lol.
The Olympics in general needs an massive reform. There are too many events. At least a quarter can be played in between the build up to the games itself. That will cut cost and headaches
Yes, probably too many events competing for venues. It may with this for the games to be longer than it is now so more venues can recycled. In reality its now too much for a single city as it is. In fairness Brisbane are spreading it about a bit for the team sports, but it still requires too many "indoor" venues that can never have uses after the games.
There's nothing wrong with the Gabba. I don't understand why people want a new stadium. The Gabba is pretty new in terms of a lifespan of a stadium. Give it an upgrade and there's your Olympic stadium.
I'd honestly have the athletics at Carrara, give it a direct train line from Brisbane if need be and have the cricket at the Gabba and AB field. Give the Gabba an upgrade but not a rebuild with a slight increase in capacity, make Suncorp 65k and use it for ceremonies and rugby sevens and football finals. And play some of the BBall prelims in Sydney and Melb so you don't have 2 under used arenas post Olympics. There, sorted!
I asked that question about hosting the track and field at Carrara in other videos. The general consensus is "because it won't be the Brisbane Olympics" But also "too far from the athletics village" -which is proposed for Northshore near Hamilton In reality, the costs to upgrade Carrara isn't acceptable. Plus letting the Gold Coast have the biggest stadium in SEQ (instead of Brisbane, with it's much higher population) isn't sensible legacy usage.
> Upgrading the Gabba is like putting hella makeup on 90 year old. The Gabba's expiration date of 2030 doesn't change when you change the cosmetics. > Good luck getting Olympians inside Suncorp during the opening ceremony. You obviously cannot gasps the size needed. > Temporary projects are bat shit crazy. Your decision is will you support Labor who are clearly a re-active government over pro-active.
Why are they building a new building to host the swimming and the waterpolo but not going to re build the Gabba? I’ve swum at chandler plenty of times and still a great building. Throw a few mill at it to bring it up to spec and call it day. Pretty sure they had more seating for the commonwealth games in the 80s that they can add back in (might be wrong there). Use the money saved to put into the Gabba which is going to get a whole lot more use than another pool in the middle of brissy.
Definitely need to ditch QSAC. That was the worst idea Miles ever had. The supporting transport will need upgrading just to get there. Quirk's Victoria Park stadium is the way to go and would be Brisbane's equivalent of the MCG.
because the australian summer is brutal. In Brisbane it can get up to 39c at the worst and at best, at least 32c. Compared to our winter which is anywhere between 17c and 28c.
Either go all in to create legacy sporting infrastructure or cancel now so it gives people 8 years to forget about Brisbane being a wanna be world city. Personally I think it’s a opportunity too good to miss and we should build the sporting infrastructure that can attract world class sporting and entertainment events for years to come, but if people prefer short term bribes by politicians instead, then that is it then.
Nothing wrong with any of these facilities! Paris used existing facilities, the Stade de France for example was built for the 1999 football World Cup. Sofi stadium in LA is an amazing new stadium primarily built for two NFL franchises. This stadium will be six years old by the time it hosts the Olympics. It’s unfeasible and a complete waste of money to build brand new stadiums. Refurbs all the way!!
Which is exactly why a new Stadium at Vic Park should be built now. No, not for the Olympics but for cricket and AFL into the future. And the Olympics has the benefit of using a state of the art existing stadium
Wrong! Temporary stadiums are a complete waste of money. Labor are just hoping dimwits like you forget that they applied for the Olympics, and are doing it cheap to get votes.
You can't refurb a complete turd. QSAC has heaps of issues that only a shit-tonne of money can solve. Consider this: The existing seating stands are 40 years old -that's why all the renders for a paltry 40,000 seat stadium feature temporary scaffolding seating. It's a garbage location -very far away from the CBD, making it difficult to get to. (If you caught a train, you'd have to get off in the CBD and then take another 20 minute journey by public transport.) It's surrounded by a cemetery to the North, a stroad to the East and a 6-lane stroad to the South. There's virtually zero public transport: it's just busses (and not even busses on a dedicated bus lane.) And there's no dedicated bus terminal at the venue. There's no chance of building a rail spur out to the venue: if it's built it'll cost billions of dollars -just the land resumption alone will be ridiculous. The only feasible option is to build a bus-lane spur, which will require demolishing a tonne of koala dwelling forest. Which will still result in mediocre public transport at best -certainly nothing that could handle 40,000 people.
Paris had events in other cities like Marseilles, and even across the world in Tahiti. Tokyo had events in Sapporo. Olympic host cities don't always stick strictly to the confines of the host city.
It's not good enough. It'll be an embarrassment. The way things are going, Brisbane should just give the Olympics to Sydney. They've got all the facilities, they just need to make a few changes. Oh and Brisbane Live has been scrapped. It's a mess.
@@B-tr9kz oh yeah my bad I forgot about the sadly moved 2026 com games. Maybe Perth would have been good because they already have a nicely built stadium that doesn’t need any real re developing and also has a nice tourist rate.
@@Canetrain767 I think Brisbane will end up surprising everyone and have a successful games, but Perth wouldn't be a bad host if Australia ever gets the chance again.
With no disrespect to Brisbane in any way but the 2032 Olympics needs to be relocated to Melbourne or Sydney. Brisbane is not ready to host this event. If Brisbane still wants to host the Olympics, get all the sporting facilities, Public transport and road infrastructure built and operational and make a future bid for the Olympics if Brisbane wants to host the Olympics, an 80,000 seat stadium needs to be built.
Where are you from exactly? It doesn't sound like you're from Brisbane. Brisbane have HEAPS of infrastructure projects that are halfway complete, and future projects that will be completed well before 2032. The stadium part is a slight issue, but I believe it will all be resolved!
Yet we have tent cities of homeless sprouting up. Imagine spending the money on homes. Suppose they'll just get brushed aside to the outer suburbs for the games.
The only controversy is the athletics stadium, and that's because AFL fans are upset they aren't being gifted a 3 billion dollar stadium in NRL territory. The rest of the venues look great and I'm sure the games will be a big success.
@@cameronporter5257 Then upgrade the Gabba. Problem is the Lions still won't be happy because that would mean they would have to play somewhere else for a couple years, forgetting the Broncos had to do the same thing when Suncorp was being redeveloped. We don't need to spend 3 billion on an oval stadium at Victoria Park.
This is the exact problem with australia they out here trying to match or go one better than other countries that have 4x-12x their population. Australia can not match Paris olympic venues period the Gov just dont have the money for that. Australian Govs just needs to mind their own business, forget about the rest of the world and start worrying about its self. yall leaders need to stop slingin coin around like its their given right to spend how they see fit. Im sure yall could be speding all that money on better things over the boring olympics
Just give it to Perth, we had Optus stadium 60000, Perth arena 14000, Hbf Park with the upgrade will be 25000, WACA 10000, we have our hockey stadium, velodrome, aquatics centre, basically just need a few other facilities and we’re good to go, plenty of small stadiums for soccer and cricket plus the shooting, archery and other can be held at those ovals, were setup for an olympics and also our river is clean unlike Paris
@@anthony7316 lol forgetting that Melbourne dumped the commonwealth game for 26, so yes it can easily be passed on just our premier doesn’t believe in sugar hit events according to him when it would be a great event for our city
@@michaelkuzmic3167there’s a big difference between dumping the Com games vs Dumping the Olympics. The way the contracts are written, Dump the com games and you cop a few million fine for breach of contract. Dump the Olympics and the punitive costs will be almost as much as it’d cost to host it. So qld really is in a lose lose situation.
Knock the gabbatron down flog off the land and build a decent cricket/olympic venue with decent transport..... Having just come back from the Paris games Brisvegaes will be craptacular to be sure, our Rio..............
The Olympics in 2032 will NEVER happen in Brisbane. Queensland as a state is totally 'Broke' and cannot afford it, and it now over 3 years since Brisbane was given hosting rights to the games and nothing has been totally confirmed or commenced in the planning and construction stage. Anything new that is built in Queensland is always years delayed and runs billions of dollars over budget
In all honesty even with all the crap with the stadium we are still further ahead than any other host city in history. In the past cities have only had a 7 year window from being allocated the games. We still have 8 years and after the state election in October the stadium issue will be resolved and we still have just under 8 years. For all the negativity the reality is things are on track baring the main stadium.
Thanks for the video summary. It is very clear that the current Labor government (which has been in power for years and has done nothing for 3 years to get facilities planned and built as of 2024) is not capable of any visionary thinking for the future. Qld is financially broke due to poor government and bureaucratic management over many years and the only thing keeping Qld going is mining royalties. Queensland has a once in a generation opportunity to put into place world leading legacy facilities for all sports but it appears this is being wasted due to short term thinking by politicians.
Queensland needs a new stadium, Cross River Rail and entertainment centre anyway. The Gabba and Entertainment Centre are crumbling and the Merivale rail bridge is at capacity. We're not doing it for the Olympics, it just makes sense to use them for that.
embarrassing...best olympics ever in Paris, to the crappest olympics since Atlanta...half baked regional stadium for olympic athletics...youve got to be kidding.
