Amathus dbc and Wraysbury dbc fight it out in 2000m BDA Liverpool NL race 2015, It gets very messy.This is a short edit showing last turn and finish from head cam.
No contraversy. The black and yellow team had the right of way. The team on the outside has to give right of way, but didn't do so. Hence, the inside team couldn't turn because the outside was in contact with the rear of the black and yellow boat, preventing it from turning.
Hi Simon, you dont say why the outer team must give way, we (Amathus the team in black and yellow and I am a paddler and helm with them) often find we have to back off from the same position because we have not caught the other team before a distance before the turn, watch this one that I was helming and got a 10 second time penalty , the main problem is policing a non reggata course, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fvvQY0oNdcM.html
Based on my understanding of the rules regarding 2K turns, the overtaking boat has to reach the helmsman by 30 m prior to the turn. If that is not the case, the inside boat has the right of way during the entire turn. The overtaking boat can undercut the leading boat provided that it does not impede or block the boat in front in anyway during the entire turn. Based on your second video, I can see that your boat has obstructed the leading boat and preventing it from making a sharper turn. That's my observation. It is in my opinion that had you not make contact with the leading boat you would not have been penalized. I believe " making contact" is the deciding factor in the judges decision.
Hi Simon I totally agree apart from the 30m, rule 10 onward states 50m and at Liverpool we reached the other team well before the 50m marker buoy and rule 10 states"However local conditions, for example the overall width of the Regatta Course, may require the Chief Official to make adjustments to the regulations covering the Racing Course shown below. Any such adjustments will be notified to the Crew Managers by the Chief Official. (Sep 07) For long distance races that take place outside of these conditions, for example on large inland waters or the sea, additional local rules and regulations should be considered" on the other clip that I was helming you are correct also, I can say the other helm I know very well did not see us coming and didnt need to change course, the was never any touching of paddles or boats, maybe a bit of luck :) and that makes exciting racing :) Now local rules are saying no overtaking on turns and back off till after the turn :(
James My latest comments relates to Ron's second video. I concur with your assessment on the this video, the outside boat seriously impeded your abilities to turn.
Ron, Based on your video, your boat did not reached the helmsman on the inside lane prior to 30m from the turn. The inside boat has the right of way throughout the turn which means you would have to give way. You can undercut the inside boat provided that you don't impede, block the inside boat during the turn. In your video, from what I can see, I believe you obstructed the boat in front from making a sharper turn. That's my observation. Simon
the boat that was one the outside was actually penalised for this, before the turn is actually 50 metres and we most definitely caught them by that point. Just because you are on the inside doesn't mean you have right of way it depends on who has the racing line. thanks for the interesting comments, enjoyable to read :)
Hi Ron good day I just started paddling and have been watching RU-vid videos to learn more. May I ask what in particular is controversial with this one with the British team? Is it the maneuver in 01:41? Is it prohibited? Thank you and more power!
+Jay Arr Ibong Hi Jay, first dont take any notice of ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--IL8bGKKICc.html it is a terrible stroke, in a 2000m race if you catch up to another boat before a set distance the other boat must give you water to overtake, in this race we were not given the room to turn but it was a great race, have you seen this race we were in ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zgEWPZ_N4UM.html have a look at my channel and Happy paddling.
What's with the Right hand turn? R7.10 Turns. When a race is run on a course with Turning Points, the buoys shall be passed to port (left) in an anti-clockwise direction. When more than one crew is making a turn, at the same Turning Point, then a crew on the outside line must leave room for a crew on an inside line. That is, clear water between boats, as defined in Rule 7.1, must be seen by the Turning Point Umpire.
Hi Noel you have made a good point, in the UK we have been shaking up the formats at National League races to make the racing more interesting for people who just get bored with the "same old same old" and when not racing on a regatta course gets the most out of the available water. I feel the standard formats can produce very narrow minded paddlers and helms and putting people in variing situations creates "intelligent paddlers" the link shows a clip that I helmed and received a 10 second penalty, the video played a small part of the rules being changed to allow rules to be changed to suit local conditions and now it would be a legal manoeuvre, sadly the turn has now been moved further down by 200m and it has lost the excitement. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fvvQY0oNdcM.html Have a look at other vids on my channel, I often hand may camera to anyone who will film as I am ether paddling or helming
this is probably the least ergonomic stroke i've seen for DB, maybe the power is nice though. The inner arm sync is impressive, for the relatively flat lateral movement your paddlers are performing. I've heard that less shoulder, more torso, is better for endurance.
@@hobog I agree about the synchronization. The rest of it just seemed like it would be murder on the arms and shoulders. I've always felt like more torso rotation with straighter arms and a strong leg push is way easier over distance.
Good timing and general technique but your cornering /turning technique from the front let you down. There's little turning input and a whole lot of power lost in having the front three starboard side paddlers with their paddles stuck out waving around in the middle of knowhere. Bracing required. Also.... dragon boat rule #1 Never ever stop paddling. Not until you see bone and grissle. Brace those forward steers, reduce them in numbers to one and you'll be a lot quicker round the turn. Guaranteed. I've been coaching dragon boat in Hong Kong for 20 years. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for this post and I see your point regarding the loss of speed, but when you note the dock wall and concrete pontoon that come into shot late in this video you would understand why the run needed to be taken off the boat for the turn to be made without a very expensive collision. The team in question (13x National Champions) is experienced enough to not require a brace in this instance as no stabalisation of the boat was required. The front 3 on the starboard side are experienced paddlers who compete in not only dragonboat, but also Whitewater K1, Freestyle Kayak, Marathon K1, OC racing and White water Rafting at National league level. They know how to turn a boat with maximum efficiency. No doubt had they not reacted in the manner they did, many more paddlers would have stopped and much more "bone and grissle would have been seen as the boat collided with the dock wall.
@@joncoventry5819 How similar are the OC strokes and Dragon boat? They seem to have the same strategies, but dragon boat is much more constrained than OC.
