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Brexit has cast uncertainty over the future of thousands of British residents living in Spain's Costa del Sol.
EU leaders are due soon to begin unprecedented - and knotty - negotiations on how to extricate the UK from the bloc.
Some Britons living in Spain are considering changing nationality and brushing up on their Spanish language skills.
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A cloud of uncertainty hangs over British expats in Spain.
Nobody is saying what the rights of Britons living in the EU might be in a future outside the bloc. Many are worried about losing entitlements in Spain, which is part of the EU.
A dozen students, most of them British pensioners who have been living in the "Costa del Sol" for decades, have joined a new Spanish Nationality Course at the Parnell Academy in Mijas.
They're learning the basics of the language, as well as some local history and culture, to prepare for two exams that must be taken ahead of being granted Spanish Nationality.
"I really have no intention of going back to the UK", says Lesley Lawrence, one of the students, who has been living in Spain for around 20 years.
"It's possible that I will change my nationality because of the Brexit vote", she adds. "It depends how things go after they trigger article 50, because until then we don't know how it's going to affect us."
Another student Philip Hubner has owned a house in Spain for 17 years and moved to Mijas full time two years ago. He is now keen to mingle more with the local Spaniards.
"I'm going to make a determined effort to learn the language to integrate with the local people here in Spain. I know a few words, I know how to buy...get a beer, "cerveza", …, "la cuenta por favor", could I have the bill?"
The owner of the school, Richard Parnell, is familiar with both countries. He was born in Britain and has lived in Spain since he was 5 years old.
After the Brexit result he started the course to help his fellow Brits living in Spain to cope with the long term implications.
"I saw the fallout of the vote to leave and I knew that myself, as a foreigner living in Spain, I would have certain problems and I knew that there would be other people. I was thinking of opening an academy anyway, well, why not make a course that would make these people who need to learn Spanish and maybe help them get the Spanish nationality," he explains.
The value of the British currency is another major concern. Many retired expats, live on a U.K. pension that is sent in pounds and pensioners must exchange that income to the Euro, which is used in Spain.
The pound has lost almost a fifth of its value since June 23.
Shortly after the Brexit vote, Anne Hernandez, a decades-long British resident in Mijas, co-founded the 'Brexpats in Spain' association, to try to address those fears.
"Having met people come to us asking for help, we've identified a list of priorities and obviously everybody's individual, but there are general priorities, being for example: health care, pensions, finance and banking, education, and nationality," she says.
The association currently has 2,800 members and has expanded outside the borders of Mijas to other towns along the coast.
The local mayor's office estimates that there are 11,000 British residents in Mijas, out of a total population of 80,000, so the mayor takes a strong interest in their concerns.
An estimated 1.2 million Britons live in other EU countries, many of them in France, Spain and Portugal, according to Britain's House of Commons library.
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@albavicente9297
@albavicente9297 7 лет назад
I do not understand why they are not able to speak spanish when they have been living in Spain for such a long time...and then, I have to SPEAK english perfectly just to be taken seriously here in the UK. They are more than welcome to stay in my country but I am really tired about this double stantard... try to integrate with spaniards, we are a lot of fun!
@charonstyxferryman
@charonstyxferryman 7 лет назад
They should had begin learning the day that they arrived. In August 2016 I got a job offer in Madrid, and I thought: "I don't no a single word in Spanish", so I began learning it. I became a fine number 2, which is not that usable, when there is 1 job offer. I continued learning, and is still learning, Spanish, because it is funny. I has discovered so many good Spanish music, fx Shakira *La bicicleta*, and *Chantaje* Here on RU-vid I had noticed an huge different between people that speaks Spanish, and those that speaks (only) English. Spanish speaking people are communicating in polite nice behaving , adult argumentation way, where English speaking people are very much the opposite:, as in,: rude, harassing, single minded, and from US also unknowledgeable about culture of other countries, and geography. The British: we are the best, and everyone else are inferior attitude is disgusting. BTW, I am a Dane living in Denmark
@barnbersonol
@barnbersonol 7 лет назад
Yo soy galés y el poblemo cuando voy en espana es que todos los con quienes entento de hablar en los bares etc insisten con responder en inglés para practicar/fanfaronear.
@alvarogines6788
@alvarogines6788 7 лет назад
barnbersonol ingles que sabe español. tío eres un crack...
@barnbersonol
@barnbersonol 7 лет назад
I hi ha més, parlo també el català
@charonstyxferryman
@charonstyxferryman 7 лет назад
Are you sure you mean Swedes (people from Sweden)? I am writing to you, because you wrote "altso", which i interpret as a typo that means "also". Also implies that you are writing about "Britions", because the YT comment you replied to are about "they", which are "Britons" (I am quoting from the title of this video). To me - your description looks a lot more like how Brits (Britons, people from Britain/the UK) are behaving. Tourists Brits have a disgusting superior attitude that for example includes that everyone else must speak English. I remember an incident where an old Spanish man wanted to help a British couple - they became angry, and shouted at him, telling him that he must speak English - and this was in a country (Spain) where they are the guests. They tried to get help from other people, but I and others who could speak English didn't want to help, because of that rude behaviour. If you do mean Swedes (people from Sweden) - it is the first time ever i had heard about Swedes behaving like that. Us from the Scandinavian countries rarely behave like that - but - there are of course exceptions. *Soy de dinamarca, y soy un dané.* (I am from Denmark, and i am a Dane) *Te deseo un buen dia* (I wish you a good day)
@malcolmc5964
@malcolmc5964 5 лет назад
If you do not learn the language of the country you have lived in for" many" years you do not deserve to stay there!
@LabRat6619
@LabRat6619 7 лет назад
That old guy had been living there for years an knows **** all Espanol. Holy crap, I go there for two weeks holidays and know way more Spanish lol !
@hebneh
@hebneh 6 лет назад
Lesley Lawrence had lived in Spain "for around 20 years" and could not even speak rudimentary Spanish - ? That's difficult to believe, but it shows how tight the British community is there. No need to deal with the native people for most of your existence because you can just stay in your enclave with your own people.
@adha2913
@adha2913 3 года назад
They live in immigrant ghettos along the coast and not integrating with the host country. They only want to eat their own food and speak their own language.
@jaxcoss5790
@jaxcoss5790 2 месяца назад
Yet, they have an issue about immigrants not speaking English in the UK. Shameful...
@MrAckers75
@MrAckers75 6 лет назад
No intentions of going back to the uk but wanted a say on brexit! Are you completely insane?
@MattTheMatt1
@MattTheMatt1 5 лет назад
Of course they wanted a say, it will literally affect them far more than the people in the UK.
@animalian01
@animalian01 4 года назад
@@MattTheMatt1 How will it affect them more that the people of the UK, they have said they are never going to the UK so the only thing it affects is their UK pension, when they become Spanish I presume they qualify for a Spanish pension, as for anything else British nationality means nothing to them so giving it up does not affect them. And they can still visit the UK on their Spanish passports and a visa if they ever need to, say to go to a relatives funeral, reading of Wills or deal with family legal matters or finalising the closing of bank accounts. they wont have access to the UK embassy services or automatic rights to national services in the UK but they don't want them anyway
@burtwallace5909
@burtwallace5909 3 года назад
You gave up any U.K .rights when you decided you had no intension of returning to the U.K. You have got a damn cheek really,thinking you should have a say on what happens here in England . You made your bed , now lie in it .
@burtwallace5909
@burtwallace5909 3 года назад
Or their own funeral !
@burtwallace5909
@burtwallace5909 3 года назад
You never know , getting out of this bloody Common Market might just be a good thing but, not altogether for the reasons the leavers wanted .
@foppo100
@foppo100 7 лет назад
I wasn't allowed to vote in the U.K and I have worked and lived here for fifty years.European passport.And I ddn't go to classes to learn the language.I listened to people speak and asked them to correct me if I made a mistake.Why so many Brits don't speak fluent Spanish after living there for years is beyond me.
@PurityVendetta
@PurityVendetta 4 года назад
Interesting, the British education system has been, historically, so poor that many people struggle with their own language let alone learning another one. Many British people are barely semi literate at best. I went to school in the UK during the 1960's and 70's. The standard of education in the public sector was woeful. I was only diagnosed as being dyslexic at University. My entire primary education was a struggle and a waste. The choice of language classes in school were... French, and even that was taught so poorly that I don't know of anyone who achieved any level of proficiency. Since leaving school I went on to work in Greece where I did struggle with learning the language but tried it learn enough to be accepted even if people often corrected me. I worked in Germany and also did my best there to the amusement of some people. British people are simply lazy and suffer from a misguided sense of exceptionalism. There's no excuse for not trying to integrate, NO excuse.
@alvarogines6788
@alvarogines6788 7 лет назад
at least this couple is making efforts
@AntSudbury-tv3we
@AntSudbury-tv3we 4 года назад
Fair play to them,,,not like the other bigoted morons you hear from, deport those
@themurderbotfeed7688
@themurderbotfeed7688 7 лет назад
If you live in a country 10+ years why not apply for citizenship?? I mean, that is not just temporary change of residency anymore. And also, why do you still want to vote in a country in which you no longer pay taxes or are in any way involved with?
@themurderbotfeed7688
@themurderbotfeed7688 7 лет назад
Antonio Abreu yes, but this people have been here 10+ years, I learnt english in less than one. And Spain does allow for double citizenship, although not with every country, usually on reciprocity.
@ip3043
@ip3043 7 лет назад
Sí todas las cosas que acusan a los inmigrantes de su país, lo irónico!
@Juan-fq2hn
@Juan-fq2hn 7 лет назад
Carmen Cruz Americans and Britons are not allowed to become spanish citizens if they still are U.S or U.K citizens, you have to renounce to your nationality, speak fluent spanish and have lived 10 years in Spanish territory, so the thing is that they have to renounce to their nationality and not everyone likes that idea.
@stuarth1996
@stuarth1996 7 лет назад
How well does one's Spanish have to be in order to get Spanish Citizenship? Does a person have to be fluent or can they pass the Spanish Citizenship test by speaking average Spanish?
@hannahdyson5603
@hannahdyson5603 7 лет назад
Juan But to be fair it's their new home , why cling onto your past ?
@mishellcornell2160
@mishellcornell2160 7 лет назад
how embarrassing this couple are..I know how to buy a beer !!!!! now its all going to be a money making game..for people helping these Brits ..who couldnt be bothered to help themselves !!
@frze5645
@frze5645 5 лет назад
Is this woman who lives in Spain taking the piss? She lives in Spain, has no intention of going back to the UK - and she is complaining that she couldn’t vote for Britain to stay in the EU! WTF - what has it got to do with her? She doesn’t live in Britain.
@marcog4361
@marcog4361 5 лет назад
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@zenonrodriguez4999
@zenonrodriguez4999 5 лет назад
We need more people that integrate or try to integrate these people are doing it right, I don't like when people come to Spain and expect Spanish people to speak English but if Spanish people went to England and expected they speak Spanish the English would be outraged
@marcog4361
@marcog4361 5 лет назад
DON'T WORRY MATE, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY, I MEANT EUROPE, THIS COUNTRY IS FINISH MATE, VIVA EUROPE TAKE CARE
@pencilme1n
@pencilme1n 5 лет назад
We need to act quickly and withdraw their British passports (and pensions) now before the EU kicks them out.
@marcog4361
@marcog4361 5 лет назад
HHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@MrBrownnn696
@MrBrownnn696 6 лет назад
If I lived in Spain I'll try harder to learn Spanish... they should of been learning along time ago
@chctmt08
@chctmt08 5 лет назад
Should of?
@MrBrownnn696
@MrBrownnn696 5 лет назад
@@chctmt08 lmfao how do you say it ???
@chctmt08
@chctmt08 5 лет назад
@@MrBrownnn696 should have or should've. Btw, I am not English.
@MrBrownnn696
@MrBrownnn696 5 лет назад
@@chctmt08 hahah I forgot I'm not a English major or teacher
@johndee3842
@johndee3842 6 лет назад
Why the worst of England is retiring in Spain? .
@AntSudbury-tv3we
@AntSudbury-tv3we 4 года назад
Deport them
@jockwav
@jockwav 6 лет назад
If you live outside the UK then you should not have a vote.!
@akbarallardfreichmann2938
@akbarallardfreichmann2938 6 лет назад
We are all European citizens. Why make live so uncertain for people?
@johnclark3697
@johnclark3697 5 лет назад
YEH simple one would think so.
@AntSudbury-tv3we
@AntSudbury-tv3we 4 года назад
But only if your a racist
@jacquelinewatson5367
@jacquelinewatson5367 5 лет назад
Strange you’re suddenly now decided to learn Spanish
@petejohnson1724
@petejohnson1724 7 лет назад
I hear you moan but you want to live in another country and not just visit then you should apply for citizenship pay taxes there and become Spanish otherwise stop moaning you have had a comfy life there. now its time to come back and spend your British pound in British shops etc If you want to stay become Spanish
@ginlane2867
@ginlane2867 6 лет назад
Peter JOHNSON no it doesn't work like that Peter, thank god
@marcog4361
@marcog4361 5 лет назад
I agree with you, they should go back to England, they don't want us we don't want them. EUROPE IS THE BEST MATE,
@grahamjohnson4702
@grahamjohnson4702 5 лет назад
Every time we purchase something we pay a tax so we do contribute.
@jonathansimmons5353
@jonathansimmons5353 3 года назад
@@marcog4361 albania on the inbound EU. Receiving eu grants actually. Within a few years albania will be in the EU with freedom of movement, unfettered, a criminal record is not cause to stop migration. Here is the proof ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/instruments/funding-by-country/albania_en they will be able to saunter into your towns, cities and villages and setup. You'll be laughing on the other side of your face!- " that"ll learn you!" Guffaw !
@undogmatisch5873
@undogmatisch5873 6 лет назад
What about Gibralta as an alternative?
@kaushikthaker9666
@kaushikthaker9666 6 лет назад
the problem with this people want cake and eat it on bothsides of world make up ur mind were loyalty is either with British or the country where you live
@kimfarnan1345
@kimfarnan1345 4 года назад
We do not want cake and eat it we want our country back and every country should feel the same about their country
@rr-jp7kg
@rr-jp7kg Год назад
I hear Bournemouth, Brighton, Clacton, Skegness, Cleethorpes, Eastbourne, Worthing, Margate...and last but not least, Blackpool are just as good as anything Spain has to offer. Any takers?
@phoebetakmanchow
@phoebetakmanchow 5 лет назад
OMG they know A FEW words. Good effort. WELL DONE!
@tobeytransport2802
@tobeytransport2802 2 года назад
Don’t be rude. They are trying... you have to remember that prior to brexit anyone from Britain could go to Europe without learning the language and anyone from europe could come to Britain without learning the language. Of course it’s changed now probably for the better, but don’t blame them... blame the EU.
@kpc5
@kpc5 4 года назад
It's funny how in spain if you go to the UK version of the DWP you have to be able to read and write the local lingo to fill the forms in YOURSELF, no translators or advise, is that what they are complaining about???
@70something.89
@70something.89 5 лет назад
Regardless of the outcome of the referendum it's gross arrogance for people living in another country to expect to influence events in a country they No longer reside.
@stevo728822
@stevo728822 5 лет назад
I bet she'll return to use the NHS when she's older and infirm.
@gurkslunga
@gurkslunga 4 года назад
Spanish health service is better than NHS
@marianinasaenzdeugartediaz1752
Por lo menos esa pareja estan intentando aprender e integrarse. Lo que me parece una verguenza es que hayan decidio hacerlo ahora, despues de todo el tiempo que llevan aqui. Vamos, que no llega a ocurrir el Brexit y nanay
@TheTravelVlogger
@TheTravelVlogger 6 лет назад
Very Nice :)
@matthewfletcher4829
@matthewfletcher4829 5 лет назад
I wish I could change my nationality from British. I blame my parents that I am British
@jonathansimmons5353
@jonathansimmons5353 3 года назад
Go live in romania for 5 yrs live n work. - that'll learn you!
5 лет назад
and why they are 'expats-just immigrants -like everybody else
@AntSudbury-tv3we
@AntSudbury-tv3we 4 года назад
They are immigrants,expats my arse,
@irenedavo3768
@irenedavo3768 6 лет назад
Who can claim UK benefits in Spain?
@ianbuchan1793
@ianbuchan1793 5 лет назад
Irene Davo British Citizens if they have paid into the uk system for at least 35 yrs
@nicted9308
@nicted9308 5 лет назад
I have lived in Spain for nearly 14 years and can't believe the panic in the expat community about brexit this past two years. I find it laughable that people feel they have to change their Nationality to stay in the country. When the lady said its affected her pension I think she is on about the exchange rate of which will affect her pension. I have taken the trouble to learn Spanish I'm not perfect but as I am living here I felt it would help me a great deal with day to day life. The guy in the bar hit the nail on the head that Brits Germans and probably other nationalities don't speak much Spanish at all.
@grahamjohnson4702
@grahamjohnson4702 5 лет назад
You will not lose your pension and you will still get your annual increments.
@marko1316
@marko1316 5 лет назад
If any UK expat has to change their Nationality to remain in Spain, would they be allowed to seek asylum if their application to become a Spanish citizen is rejected?
@dianestallworthy4421
@dianestallworthy4421 4 года назад
Reading through the comments makes you realise what despicable things humans are: the racism, the envy, the cruelty and negativity. I wonder that anyone can live anywhere other than where they were delivered as people seem to despise others for moving, for existing, and even if they had remained in the delivery room itself because these comments reflect the rage and bitterness mankind has for its own kind with not one scrap of humanity and understanding are to be found in this forum....
@barnbersonol
@barnbersonol 7 лет назад
Ideally, the 250000 Brits drawing a UK pension in Spain would be balanced out the same of Spaniards retiring to Britain but in reality that'll never happen so from that point öf view the EU is bad bad bad for British jobs.
@ianbuchan1793
@ianbuchan1793 5 лет назад
barnbersonol you forget those drawing a pension not Just in Spain but anywhere else in the world have paid into the system for at least 35 yrs its their money not yours so mind your own fucking business
@ianbuchan1793
@ianbuchan1793 5 лет назад
barnbersonol you forget that people drawing a uK pension have paid into the uk system for at least 35 years , its their money not a state handout why not educate yourself or work in the Uk for at least 35 yrs then see what ignorant pricks like have to say
@rr-jp7kg
@rr-jp7kg Год назад
Somehow I can't see Spanish people moving from Spain to live in Blackpool, can you?
@greenwaterdragon888
@greenwaterdragon888 6 лет назад
My advice is get dual citizens the ship, you might find your better off, especially as the pound goes up and the euro goes down after we leave.
@pedrolopes3542
@pedrolopes3542 6 лет назад
Lyn, the Pound is not going up
@Michelle-qd9gm
@Michelle-qd9gm 5 лет назад
Party over
@raymondadams7570
@raymondadams7570 3 года назад
you have turned your back on britain, get used to it
@TheStevemcqueen68
@TheStevemcqueen68 5 лет назад
They dont live in the Uk, SO THEY DONT VOTE, whats wrong with that,
@marksykes5434
@marksykes5434 Год назад
I’m overjoyed that the British immigrants have got exactly what they voted for !
@AntSudbury-tv3we
@AntSudbury-tv3we 4 года назад
Deport the ones who. Can't speak Spanish,and the ones who voted leave,
@ianbuchan1793
@ianbuchan1793 5 лет назад
All this talk about Brits living in Spain should not get a uk state pension is bullshit as most are already retired having worked all their working lives and paid their taxes etc into the system so are entitled to their state pension its their money not yours
@shotleylad
@shotleylad 6 лет назад
Who cares.
@kopynd1
@kopynd1 5 лет назад
there should be 1 language for the world, end of, who cares what it is,
@makkfitty1627
@makkfitty1627 4 года назад
English of course
@leslieshand4509
@leslieshand4509 2 года назад
Wow… you do understand that language is a part of a person’s identity right?
@joaquincastello6174
@joaquincastello6174 Год назад
latin maybe?.
@soundgroundermusic
@soundgroundermusic 7 лет назад
I voted to Leave for the future good of the UK. What is being advocated here is nothing to do with Brexit. I would ask you to read the Spanish Order 1490 of 9 July 2012, an article published on the British Embassy Madrid website. This article is a translation of new residency requirements in Spain as published in the Spanish Order 1490 of 9 July 2012. which sets out the rules of entry, free movement and residence in Spain of nationals of other European Union Member States and European Economic Area. What happened to free movement amongst Member States? Firstly, if I wanted to live in Spain and bought a property I would have to beg down at the local police station after my 3 months were up to stay and live in my own home and ask for residency. You should consider yourselves very lucky and now might be the right time for you to start to integrate by learning the language, as it doesn't look as if many semi/retirees will have an option to remain in Spain anymore. To do so has been made very complex as if they want your money but they don't want you. It is not correct to try to blame all those who voted out when the UK abides by the rules but others manipulate them to suit.
@MichalMati
@MichalMati 5 лет назад
What "begging" are you referring to? It is a standard residence registration procedure. Even when I lived in my own country I had to re-register a residence when I moved to another address. It is necessary for keeping the identity database and ID up-to-date.
@trueblue2124
@trueblue2124 5 лет назад
If you don't live in UK -you should not have the right to vote - and you should not be able to claim state pension . If you want to live in Spain, then dont expect a say in UK - and LEARN SPANISH !
@ianbuchan1793
@ianbuchan1793 5 лет назад
trueblue sorry people who claim their state pension no matter where they live are fully entitled to it as they have paid into the system between 35 -50 yrs Its their money so fuck you asshole
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