Тёмный

BRN-180 : Rifle Review, Malfunctions, and Fix 

Primal Defense Co.
Подписаться 11 тыс.
Просмотров 5 тыс.
50% 1

The BRN180.
It was most definitely a disastrous start working with this rifle. It was put together using quality parts purchased from a legitimate website, using a brownells BRN lower, and the upper comes complete.
The Owners guide says that the upper is ready to go and is operational in the condition that it is received.
No issues with the upper, was packed well. Came without any type of muzzle device. The upper looked great.
The lower, looked a little blemish. Which is of no concern to me. It does take standard AR mags designd for the caliber rifle you will be shooting, in this case, this is a 5.56 rifle. The mag well is not that deep, it is significantly shorter than a standard AR 15 lower. Some people may like it, other may not. The mag is a little more exposed than with a standard AR lower. My opinion, it allows for the magazine to fall out a bit more freely when released. Again not that big of a deal.
The trigger guard, kinda crappy. The edges are sharp. I will probably smooth the out and pant them back up. You can't tell if you are wearing gloves, you will notice after a day of shooting with gloves.
The first real mistake I made putting this thing together is I bought a B5 pistol grip, however, it had a beaver tail. A beaver tail will not fit onto this lower. Not without a significant amount of Dremel work. I went ahead and installed a Magpul grip without a beaver tail instead.
Shooting this thing. Extremely frustrating. It ran great. Then it wouldn't. I would regularly experience stovepipes. Over. And over. And over. And over. Changed mags, changed ammo changed shooter. Stove pipe after stovepipe.
I came to a reasonable observation, the rifle ran better with hot and heavy rounds, however, there was no guarantee it would not stove pipe. I checked the rifle, saw where it was being marred up pretty bad. Kinda a bummer, not that it marred, but that the receiver was that soft. I saw some deep grooves in the aluminum. Kinda weird. Came to the conclusion that it was the rim of the casing that was being slammed into the aluminum. I
I took my Dremel and removed some of the material that was sticking up. It was very noticable.
I took the rifle apart, I checked the gas aystem. Didn't see any issues there. I could not remove the piston for the life of me. I was looking though some forums, and it may have been intended to be that way. The gas system didn't seem to be the issue, as new rounds were found loaded. The bolt went far back enough to pick up a new round.
A budy advised that I should clean off all the packing lubricant and re-lube it. Rifle continued doing the same thing. I was soooo bummed out. I really wanted this rifle to work.
So I sent an email to Brownells customer service, and I was disappointed in that up until this day, they have not responded.
So about 300 rounds in. About 30 stovepipes later. I re-checked the rifle. More marring from the casings. Looked at the charging handle, brass marks on the charging handle. So it was obvious, that the charging handle was striking the casings as they were ejected.
I checked the stove pipes casings, they all had a similar marking at the neck opening.
I checked casing that successful ejected, same marking. I checked all the casings, same marking. 100% of the casings had the same mark.
I compared it to the shape of the charging handle where the brass markings were. It was a match. Like fitting puzzle pieces together.
That's when I realized that the charging handle was striking the casings and they were ejected and the bolt was closing striking the casing at the neck, driving the rim of the casing into the frame here at the opening, causing that deep marring.
So, ordered an aftermarket charging handle from A3 tactical. I have had zero malfunctions since. Nothing.
This charging handle does still hit the casings but it allows for more clearance giving the casings the opportunity to get out of the way of the action.
I think the heavier and hotter rounds also provided a bit more clearance when using the OEM charging handle, but it was not consistent enough.
The A3 allows me to shoot any ammo. Zero issues.
I love the rifle. A little more communication from Brownells would have been cool.
At least now, I am confident that this rifle will run reliably. I hope this video helped you out a little if you have been experiencing the same thing. Or if you are looking to buy one, get the aftermarket charging handle.
I would NOT steer away from this rifle, I just want you to be prepared for when you get it.
I really appreciate you guys. Stay safe takie it easy God bless, and keep one in the chamber.
-Julian
#stayprimal #brn180 #brownells

Опубликовано:

 

3 окт 2024

Поделиться:

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист
Посмотреть позже
Комментарии : 71   
@grendeldog01
@grendeldog01 5 месяцев назад
Had one a month ago and had the same problem. Spoke to Brownell's and they confirmed there was a batch that was not correct in the gas setting. If you change the gas setting to suppressed it would work fine, without a suppressor. They swapped mine out, the whole upper, at no charge and the new one worked out of the box, no issues at all. I would give them a call and wait to talk to a live person. They were really on top of it.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 5 месяцев назад
I used the suppressed setting as well. Wouldn't cycle at all. As it should do in that setting. The upper works well now after changing the charging handle. Zero issues.
@PallutedLife650
@PallutedLife650 4 месяца назад
​@@PrimalDefenseCo u got a bad ass rifle 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@freaknas
@freaknas 17 часов назад
I didn't like the aesthetics of the stock charging handle and replaced it before ever firing the BRN-180. I have not had a single issue with it and it is a dream to shot.
@RickKerr
@RickKerr 6 месяцев назад
In December of 2023 I received my BRN 180 / 223 18.5 inch upper. Before the weather got bad here in Ohio, I put from 100 to 200 rounds through it and had about a 40% failure rate of either short stroking or stove piping. Classic marks of casings denting aluminum receiver and brass marks on charging handle.... often had casing trapped between charging handle and receiver. Sent Brownells an email off today stating the same and asked them what I should do to insure reliability of the upper to start this shooting season. Meanwhile, I have ordered a charging handle, just like yours, from A3 Tactical today.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 6 месяцев назад
I knew I couldn't have been the only one. Mine has been running great. But I won't put that out on video for another 300 rnds or so. I appreciate you watching!
@rob21
@rob21 Месяц назад
@RickKerr what was the response from Brownells? Is it fixed?
@JasonMann-t7o
@JasonMann-t7o 6 месяцев назад
Well done man. Too bad Brownells didnt get back to you. This shouldn’t happen on a 7-800 upper
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 6 месяцев назад
For sure. The rifle has been running flawlessly now..but I still need to run it a bit more before I trust it enough to defend my family. Recoil is soft , shoots flat, super fast cycling. The Geislle trigger helps with that. But still.
@davidcantwell2489
@davidcantwell2489 8 месяцев назад
Nice build. Just finished a 300AAC 10.5" myself.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 8 месяцев назад
How are you liking it so far?
@davidcantwell2489
@davidcantwell2489 8 месяцев назад
@PrimalDefenseCo Love it so far. Still playing around with different bullets and loads. #1 Son went with 5.5" suppressed, #2 got him an Extar EP9 6.5" 9mm.
@Emoboijeffrey
@Emoboijeffrey 6 месяцев назад
Great troubleshooting 👌
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 6 месяцев назад
Thank you
@royl4534
@royl4534 8 месяцев назад
Awesome review!
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 8 месяцев назад
Appreciate ya. Thank you for watching!
@slinginleaddownrange223
@slinginleaddownrange223 27 дней назад
Sounds like i might have to try a new charging handle. Shipped upper back to pws because itd stovepipe every few rounds. Pws had it for 2 months and it still stovepipes. They included in the box longer recoil springs,piston rod/spring but no note on whether i need to install these or if they are the old ones. Have been waiting to hear back from pws on whether i need to install these or they are the old parts. I might just install them and see if it functions. Not very happy with this upper so far but maybe its just the charging handle like yours.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 27 дней назад
@@slinginleaddownrange223 I would really like to hear if it fixes the issue
@pinoygunsusa1810
@pinoygunsusa1810 2 месяца назад
I've used different mags on mine including Hexmag and various ammos steel case included and ran flawlessly.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 2 месяца назад
@@pinoygunsusa1810 mine worked ok shooting singles. Maybe doubles. Slow shooting. If I picked up the pace it could not go through a mag. After changing the charging handle it stopped giving me trouble.
@BSmith135-js1ui
@BSmith135-js1ui 2 месяца назад
I had similar issues with my brass and went with a3’s product. Long story short it didn’t fit and went with a competitor. Great video, and shop around is my advice
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 2 месяца назад
Did your rifle work after switching out the handle?
@BSmith135-js1ui
@BSmith135-js1ui 2 месяца назад
It did!!! I truly appreciate your video, you did the leg work I needed. Once you showed the picture of the brass with that dent on it I immediately compared mine, identical. Thanks again, problem solved
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 2 месяца назад
@@BSmith135-js1ui awesome. Appreciate the environment. Have a good one!
@twissted1277
@twissted1277 6 месяцев назад
I got the charging handle form Wolfpack Armory. It's great. Size matters.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 6 месяцев назад
Was the original charging handle giving you trouble? Just curious. I might give the Wolfpack a go. I didn't choose this handle for any particular reason. Just did. So far it has worked great.
@georgeclontd4984
@georgeclontd4984 28 дней назад
Where did you get the stock? Is that a Zenitco? Does it have a1913 rail adapter?
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 28 дней назад
@@georgeclontd4984 it is not a zentico. It's a Midwest industries. Yes it does have a 1913 adapter.
@Echo_Mike
@Echo_Mike 4 месяца назад
Same problem the Sa80 A1 had. Watch the videos in slow motion
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 3 месяца назад
I had taken one. Now, since I changed the charging handle, she is running like a champ.
@erikluca5141
@erikluca5141 7 месяцев назад
Good to see you’ve figured out how to make your rifle reliable, but I was going to tell you since the upper is produced by PWS, they would be the ones you go to for any customer service. Those gauges and on the receiver are a huge “no, no”! PWS should do right by you! Great video!
@erikluca5141
@erikluca5141 7 месяцев назад
*gouges
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 7 месяцев назад
You are absolutely right. But since it has their name on it, I thought I would reach out to them first. I had already pinned the barrel and didn't want to go through the trouble. I'm a little disappointed that there was not more communication on their part. But it's running good now. Still need to test it some more as I did have an ejection issue. It hasn't happened again so, I'll keep my eye on it. I'll see what happens these next 500 rounds.
@othnielbendavid9777
@othnielbendavid9777 2 месяца назад
Thanks for sharing!
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 2 месяца назад
Welcome!
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 2 месяца назад
Appreciate ya
@Vegetius93
@Vegetius93 6 месяцев назад
Have you tried firing the weapon with the ejection port cover closed with either the original charging handle or the straight one? Were there any issues? I’ve noticed that many aftermarket straight charging handles say that you may have to open the ejection port to prevent malfunction
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 6 месяцев назад
No, but I will try that.
@KettlebellGunsmith
@KettlebellGunsmith 7 месяцев назад
Always do slow motion video footage of the rifle cycling to diagnose. Confirm visually what is going on: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T4oQ2_ae3cM.html The shape of the brn180's charging handle is there to catch brass in a specific way so it doesn't slam into the part of the receiver where the dust cover snaps into. Where you showed you're now getting excessive wear. Watch the ejection pattern under slow-mo. With that straight charging handle I'm guessing it's slamming into that specific spot now. With the S shaped handle, it probably won't. Instead of swapping, I would have reshaped the part of the original charging handle where the brass was hitting so it defected where I wanted. Sucks to have to do that on a new gun, but that would be the more elegant solution when thinking longevity. Also note the charging handle is heat treated steel and quite tough. Not something a hand file would get done.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 6 месяцев назад
The rifle is working well now. It also had a failure to eject I caught on slow mo. The ejector pin was stuck. It has not done it again. I do have my eye on it though.
@znathan4375
@znathan4375 Месяц назад
hi do you get your hands dirty from the gasblock when you shot it? Is that a normal piston thing?
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo Месяц назад
I have a little. It was never a lot at one time. Seems to be a normal thing. My hand guard and rail scales all have a little soot on them.
@znathan4375
@znathan4375 Месяц назад
@@PrimalDefenseCo dammmn my glove turn black very soon after just one mag, will contact customer support for help, thanks bro
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo Месяц назад
No problem man. Thanks for watching. Appreciate it.
@ominous749
@ominous749 7 месяцев назад
Nice looking gun. What Mlok rail covers are on your hand guard?
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 7 месяцев назад
Those are @SlateBlackIndustries
@lowlight8466
@lowlight8466 7 месяцев назад
That's an over gased issue.... I would still have Brownells look at it.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 7 месяцев назад
Serious question, as I am confused. Why did it run more reliably with hotter/heavier ammo? That is, I could run through 40-50 rounds without a problem, but 55gr .223 would stove pipe every two to three rounds. It doesn't do that anymore after changing the charging handle and the brass is no longer being damaged.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 7 месяцев назад
I also sent Brownells a chat message. Their reps did not seem to have much knowledge on the rifle, and we're not very eager to make it right. In their defense, at this point I don't want a return. The upper has a permanently mounted pinned brake. However, it would have been nice for them to contact me first and try and get me answers on how to correct the problem. I'm confident enough that I can remove the gas system completely and reinstall it if I need to.
@williamleahy7841
@williamleahy7841 7 месяцев назад
Hey, I'm having similar issues that you are describing. I have a 14.5 barrel with muzzle brake. I have been using the unsupressed gas setting but I am going to try shooting next on the supressed setting to try and rule out the over gassed possibility. If that doesn't work then i will change the charging handle (which i wanted to change the look of anyway). If you try these different settings also i would be curious to hear what results you get.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 7 месяцев назад
I can't see my original response so here it goes again; I've used the suppressed setting. The bolt won't move an inch. I have not shot it suppressed. I will as soon as the can gets here. I am going to try a variety of rounds that are easier on the senses as this brake really rattles your face 😂. Super loud.
@williamleahy7841
@williamleahy7841 7 месяцев назад
@PrimalDefenseCo haha ya but it shoots so smoothly! I'll give different ammo a try too. I'm just looking for any info I can. I can't seem to find many resources about this particular scenario. I hope that it doesn't turn out to really be the charging handle. Just seems unfortunate that the upper wouldn't be usable the way it comes.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 7 месяцев назад
​@@williamleahy7841 I didn't plan on changing the handle until I saw the damage to the casings. I have shot the rifle a bunch since. I have not had the issue repeat itself.
@PureCountryof91
@PureCountryof91 7 месяцев назад
Check your guide rail bolt. This bolt also holds the bump stop for the stock. If loose and gouges are present, send it back. The upper is damaged. The G3 version is supposed to have improvements to the rails, and will likely have a forward removed piston with 5+ settings. Which is why I have a JAKL, and am waiting for the G3 to drop.
@williamleahy7841
@williamleahy7841 6 месяцев назад
@PrimalDefenseCo Just returned from the range. I switch the charging handle with the A3 tactical. Ran flawlessly, used various ammo as well.
@evonpaige8873
@evonpaige8873 Месяц назад
Naaa, I can't overlook those issues, might have to wait on the Gen 3. Gen 2 doen't seem ready, or up to snuff w/ a D-I AR. A HARD PASS.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo Месяц назад
I get you man. I'm gonna do the same and wait for the .300
@ghilliemanreviews
@ghilliemanreviews Месяц назад
When does gen 3 come out?
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo Месяц назад
I have no clue to be honest. But I have a can and lower just waiting.
@616CC
@616CC 5 месяцев назад
What’s stow piping or what it is you’re saying?
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 5 месяцев назад
“Stove pipe”. When a spent casing gets caught in the action between the breech face and the chamber. The casing looks like the pipe of an old school stove sticking out.
@TheGreatWhiteNorth1
@TheGreatWhiteNorth1 7 месяцев назад
I wish i wouldve seen this sooner and known about the A3 website. I reload and have the same issue, it destroys the brass mouth, making it unusable. I just ordered the Wolfpack one hoping to mitigate this issue, and it just shipped. The A3 one looks way better, as it has an alignment lug, the wolfpack doesnt. So...i just ordered the A3 one as well, after you dropped the name. Now i have two to try out. I also ordered another brownells one to experiment with. I cut, rewelded, changed the angle with a torch by heating and bending. Same thing. This wouldve been a cheaper option, now im something like $100 into charging handles😂. At least i have hope now. 😊 Also, The piston disassembly doesnt need the gas block removed to take it apart. Its a legit puzzle, and it gets me everytime. theres an order you need to take it apart after you pull the spring back. it slides in and out perfect. I dont have the gun in front of me to describe it, but believe me, its a puzzle, and there is a sequence.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 7 месяцев назад
Really appreciate the feedback. The casing will still be hit, but so far no damage. At least not that I can see. I don’t reload, so I’m sure there are things that you look for. Either way, they definitely do not end up all messed up like before the handle change. I will try and figure out the gas piston. I’ll probably order extra parts for this thing. Just in case. Still in the testing phase.
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 7 месяцев назад
How has it worked out for ya?
@TheGreatWhiteNorth1
@TheGreatWhiteNorth1 7 месяцев назад
No more bent necks!!
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 7 месяцев назад
@@TheGreatWhiteNorth1 which handle are you going with and why?
@G47orG17
@G47orG17 2 месяца назад
Is this the gen 1 or gen 2?
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 2 месяца назад
@@G47orG17 gen 2. Looking to get a 300blk version now
@G47orG17
@G47orG17 2 месяца назад
@@PrimalDefenseCo That sucks, I was looking to maybe get one myself. But if it’s plagued that bad, nahhh
@PrimalDefenseCo
@PrimalDefenseCo 2 месяца назад
@@G47orG17 it stopped giving me problems when I changed the charging handle. Zero trouble.
Далее
The BRN-180
23:13
Просмотров 1,1 млн
LOLLIPOP-SCHUTZ-GADGET 🍭 DAS BRAUCHST DU!
00:28
🎙Пою РЕТРО Песни💃
3:05:57
Просмотров 1,3 млн
Jakl vs BRN180
21:49
Просмотров 98 тыс.
BRN 180 Gen 2 Tabletop Review and Field Strip
16:19
Просмотров 13 тыс.
DELETE recoil with these 3 upgrades
7:18
Просмотров 1,8 млн
Problems With the BRN-180SH
4:34
Просмотров 8 тыс.
How to Carry a Gun: Concealed Past No Gun Signs
4:47
Просмотров 113 тыс.
590s : 14 Things I love About You
18:04
Просмотров 10 тыс.
LOLLIPOP-SCHUTZ-GADGET 🍭 DAS BRAUCHST DU!
00:28