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Broken Leagues: A Vicious Circle. Splinterlands! 

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Why is it that there are only high level accounts playing in modern? Is it because of the removal of leagues, or it it something else? We talk about the reward disparity between modern and wild, and the vicious circle that it creates by removing low level accounts from modern to battle in wild instead which reduces low level match liquidity in modern. Rinse and repeat.
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@kristophercharles5306
@kristophercharles5306 5 месяцев назад
I think it would be best to get rid of leagues. If people didn't know they were in "silver" it wouldn't matter. Psychology is so much of this
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
New players won't know anything about our sordid past, thankfully ;)
@AsmongoldvsArtosisclips
@AsmongoldvsArtosisclips 5 месяцев назад
Also,they hired archmage to provide only 100 bots for modern...100 ? Are you kidding me? Why not freaking1,2 thousand?
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
I think I heard in TH they at least bumped it up to 300 from various providers so that's something...
@phenith_
@phenith_ 5 месяцев назад
Okay, this is a crazy ramble on rant, but I hope it makes sense, I only put forth 1 suggested change, but I try to clarify why modern is the way it is and how it's a lot harder to fix than it might seem. The reward distribution is already heavily weighted to modern, but the majority of players in modern are trying to play at the highest level and only a small portion (the best of the best) will make it to the highest levels meaning that there is lots of big decks relegated to lower leagues, liquidity bots are only a band aid and will have limited effect. They will cause ratings inflation pushing people up a little and then they will face the same max decks, just a division or two higher as only a proportional number of users can be in each division. I'm not sure how to get more casual players in modern, but it's very clear that their needs to be a lot more players there before a casual player player will see non max decks in B/S/G leagues... it's a catch 22. One for sure problem in wild is that the reward multiplier has to be reduced to 0 for zero staked SPS(instead of x1 minimum), being able to stake nothing and still earn with just SB cards is being abused heavily causing crazy ratings inflation that only compounds the problem because rating is used in glint/sps earned calculation. Modern is basically a sh!t show, the best of the best are loving it, but it's extremely hard and costly to break into that group and if you aren't in that group, you are banging your head against a wall. Here's some numbers... simple and very rough numbers to make it easy, 5 leagues with a flat +- 20 and everyone pushing ~50% win/loss means that each league can accommodate roughly ~20% of the active players regardless of what decks they have (ratings inflation will push the percentages in the upper leagues up a little by season end). In modern you have ~70% of the active players thinking the should be in champ, but only ~20% can be in champ, so ~20% end up in diamond, and another ~20% end up in gold, and then some in silver... let's say there is 1000 players in modern now and you want that current ~70% of existing champ decks to be able to make it to champ, you would need to have about 2500 NON champ players join modern for the existing champ level decks to all end up in champ league. A catch 22 on gaining 2.5k modern players is that if we did somehow manage to get these players in modern, it would thin the rewards out quite a bit (like ~60%) as there is a lot more people earning which in turn would make it less attractive to compete for (still a lot better than wild at the same tier though). Liquidity bots won't make a huge impact unless there is a LOT of them. You have the opposite problem in wild, I won't go full on numbers, but let's say 10,000 wild players and only 2% have champ worthy decks, you will still have ~20% of the 10k users in champ league.
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
I don't think your rant is crazy at all. I agree with everything you said. Modern is very top heavy with max decks and unless a TON of BSG all enter (and at the same time) they will get paired with the max decks that are already there and would cause a very negative play experience like we are seeing right now. I would LOVE to get rid of that 1x reward in wild (maybe even 2x!) and I have a feeling this TH we are going to see that happen if the rumors are true (as well as the removal of starter cards from wild!). IF that happens, a lot of bots would have to consolidate all their SPS to fewer accounts, which could / should reduce the ratings inflation happening there. I hope they do this asap! Thanks for the comment my man! Great insights!
@luinicisa
@luinicisa 5 месяцев назад
The last comment you made: renting out your cards and still playing champ in wild is my current strategy. For me, it is the lack of incetive to play daily. Nothing to buy for glint or things are too expensive to even bother. I don't care if I get 100 or 300 sps a day from playing in modern daily as my stack is at a level I am happy with. There is simply no carrot to chase and the game at this point feels like a chore. Really a pitty as this is the first time I have every card in modern to crush ldb. I am simply not incetivised enough. Plus the 60 people above me on the ldb mostly let human bots (scholars) play their accounts. Which feels like cheating as well. You don't face the actual owner of the cards, who you know from discord, but some specialised soul, offering a paid service whicch takes the fun away for me, too. Not so much fun as I thought it would be.
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
Everything you say is true. I would love to see you come back to modern! I broke into top50 yesterday and I don't have complete RW, REB, or SB so there are some chumps like me up there that you can bully ;) The competition is tight because indeed there are a lot of scholars, but we've personally had some really good matches against each other and I'll miss those. The time commitment is very relevant tho, and with summer coming I know I'll have my bot pick up a few matches but I live playing too much to rent everything out and go full robot. Hope to see you back in modern soon my friend!
@nikolacvijovic6853
@nikolacvijovic6853 5 месяцев назад
There will be 0 new players under these new circumstances. Curent playerbase is shrinking, not switching formats. Rewards are nonexistant since implementing sb cards. We are just waiting for team to make another trap for next generation of fools which are willing to leave money to team and their friends.
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
Maybe today's town hall will make everyone more optimistic. Re Rewards: not everyone's have gone down, mine have gone up for example. Then again I play Diamond1/Champ in modern where rewards are highest...
@pompe72
@pompe72 5 месяцев назад
The irony of it all. Ban bots so the team has to add bots. Just goes to show "be careful of what you wish for". The team should provide an ingame bot for a fee. The revenue can go to fund the DAO. It would also help the NPE in that he wouldn't need to jump through more hoops to get a third party bot.
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
As long as that's a wild bot I'm down with it! Strange they instead pay for the service they themselves could get revenue from, but at least it didn't use any dev hours. Irony indeed!
@kristophercharles5306
@kristophercharles5306 5 месяцев назад
in wild, I'm in champ 2 and making 3.5 SPS and 600 glint. In modern I'm gold 3 and making 7 SPS and 250 glint. So I'm making double the SPS in modern gold than wild Champ but half the glint. I've only been playing modern for a few days so I'm still moving up but I'm basically playing with a maxed CL deck, a few mid level RW cards, and no rebellion. In gold 3 I have a 70% win rate. I am facing all maxed decks but I'm facing that in wild too so it all just seems like a trade off. Personally I enjoy playing wild better because I have a better card selection but modern is forcing me to hone my skills.
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
Congrats on the skills! Much respect! I am a purely Modern player unless I run out of time and need to let my bot take over temporarily (prob while I deal with kids and house work). Keep honing those skills! If you can do well in modern, that means you are better than other humans, which is a great feeling. Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women. (I hope I am not so old that you don't know the reference and think I'm a misogynistic pig lol). You must have different SPS staked than Eagle to get such different results.
@kristophercharles5306
@kristophercharles5306 5 месяцев назад
@@thepsilence lol thanks. I have about 165k SPS staked that's not delegated to other accounts. I just started looking at the "maxed" accounts I'm facing in gold and the ones I faced in silver and I'm noticing that they aren't actually maxed. They have a few maxed summoners they are mostly renting and a few maxed key cards. It feels like facing maxed decks because all the cards I'm going against are maxed out but in reality, these players are very limited by card selection and would probably not be stuck in silver/gold if they actually had a maxed deck. So even though I'm competing well with what I consider a limited deck, I'm facing players with a more limited deck and cutting through them. Still it feels good to win 😃
@kristophercharles5306
@kristophercharles5306 5 месяцев назад
@@LastHope-pi7nh yeah, that's an interesting point on the buying of energy. Unfortunately I can't buy more for modern because I have to pay the price for my champ status in wild. I would definitely be buying for modern if it weren't for that.
@AsmongoldvsArtosisclips
@AsmongoldvsArtosisclips 5 месяцев назад
What they did not count on when they said "it will all settle down and silver ppl will play silver etc" is that EVERYONE without maxed decks just fucking left.
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
I know a LOT of people went to wild because of what I posted about in this video. To recap: less cards needed, can bot so no time commitment, can rise to higher league so more rewards etc etc. I know if I was silver, I'd go to wild for sure.
@AsmongoldvsArtosisclips
@AsmongoldvsArtosisclips 5 месяцев назад
@@thepsilence yea
@tecnopceros1376
@tecnopceros1376 5 месяцев назад
devs went wrong with the elimination of leagues (bronze, silver, gold, etc). They should go back to old days, otherwise they should give more rewards to wild instead of modern, cause most of the people will be there as it seems for the background you showed us.
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
That's the whole incentive of moving to modern: the rewards are 50/50, so more players = less rewards. That's why rewards in wild are so much less than modern... more players (bots) in wild.
@Sorryismurf
@Sorryismurf 5 месяцев назад
Well in gold modern you get more that in champion wild, in modern you earn much more that in wild, the only problem is that people are so laisy and dont want to manually play so they will just bot in wild. Under champion there is a 20rating points inflation idnyou win 3consecutive games, and that's why there are more people with low decks in diamond wild than people in high elo in modern. In wild it's easy cuz there are a lot of bots so they easily scale , but remeamber everyone has 50% winrate when they reach their max league. In modern the same thing is happening , you will see bronze/silver decks in diamond cuz the 20rating inflation , but since there are lower nr of players in modern, they will need more time to reach higher elo with their decks. So that's a problem of time and laisy from the people. Give them time and stop crying for nothing. Dont create problems where there are not problems. Modern is free, you can earn 9 sps battle , rent a deck with 300dec/800dec and play with gold/diamond deck, play ranked, tournements, brawls and make a lot of money. Oh but you are laisy people....
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
When provided the opportunity to earn without working, that's what people will default to. Less effort less expenses less skill. I'm not creating problems, they already exist. I'm just pointing them out as many others have.
@Sorryismurf
@Sorryismurf 5 месяцев назад
@@thepsilence well , DAVOS AND WEF are paying you guys to do nothing, no need to work, Just to make you some vaccines. If people want to do It, you can do It.
@SupremeVictoryStudios5377
@SupremeVictoryStudios5377 5 месяцев назад
Wen TH?
@thepsilence
@thepsilence 5 месяцев назад
5 hrs :) Gonna be a spicy one, I can feel it!
@SupremeVictoryStudios5377
@SupremeVictoryStudios5377 5 месяцев назад
@@thepsilence yeppers me too, ugh
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