BSA R12 CLX PROBLEMS MUST SEE BEFORE YOU BUY 

I purchased the R12 CLX 177 Bolt action brand new 1 week old and did it with me within HALF A TIN of pellets. sent it back and they said in the report to make sure your pellets are seated properly in the magazine. I have 9 air rifles and a good few pistols. so it's my fault guess what did it again how many more times. Traded the gun in for the new FX Panthera 177 absolutely fantastic air rifle happy shooting now😁 😁😁😁😁

Glad I came across this video, my friend John bought one about a month ago and , he phoned me last wk and said the gun wouldn’t cock , cut a long story short , he took the stock off and turned the gun upside down and a pellet dropped out , I will mention this when I review the gun shortly on my RU-vid channel , thanks shaneweightman

I had Pellets jamming and shaving in the 2 R10se rifles I owned. Shot ok on the level but when hunting shooting up at angle while keeping the rifle on the rest and cycling the bolt both rifles jammed or damaged pellets when loading . I often lost the chance to bag a second bird, If you own a BSA rifle try testing it by safely shooting from a gun rest at a angle cocking and shooting the rifle at various angles to see if it jams.

So glad I found your review, was going to purchase the R12 this weekend, will be getting the hw100 I think. To much hassle with this gun by the look of it. Thank you for your review you have saved me a load of hassle

We glad I watched it I was just about to buy a r12… no thank you … British engineering at its finest again

I’ve had mine in bits today to have a look what’s going on. I am going to chuck it up in the lathe in a fixture I have made so that I can deepen the o ring groove ever so slightly. There isn’t much material to play with but if it fails, I will be remaking the anodised part on the CNC machine. If either of these methods are successful, I will be happy to modify other magazines for people for a very small cost, or i could provide a new inner for the magazines

I brought a .22 R12 . Leaked like a sieve. Took it back and swapped for a .177 . Had numerous magazine issues and numerous trips back to RFD. The recall was the final straw for me . I was told the regs could explode even though BSA denied this when I wrote to them . The quality stamp on the manual doesn’t mean a wank . I eventually had a full refund and switched to an Air Arms S510 Ultimate sporter R. Never going near a BSA again.

I was informed by my gun shop that there was a fault with rifle. I went to purchase the 1.77 but was told they would not accept rifle from BSA till fault had be resolved. I can only thank the shop for not allowing me to buy.

I not long ago purchased the BSA Ultra CLX in.22 and have the same issue. I have a pellet jamed behind the hammer. It's in a dangerous condition so it is going in to be repaired. The issue is that sometimes it won't cock properly other times when you pull back on the bolt load and push forward on the bolt it fire's without touching the trigger. BSA need to fix this issue.

Day 1 out of the box and it jammed, yes it pulled pellets back into the block, there is a side plate on the block, remove this and the pellets fall out....The cause was the magnet came out of the mag and jammed the the mag, sent back to BSA, returned in a week with a free mag. Araldite the magnets and since then I've put 2k pellets through it and no issues (using only BSA Gold). Never had issue with pellets falling out.

This issue also occurred on my .22 Ultra CLX. Again BSA say user issue but I found a pellet stuck to the probe and pulled back into the mechanism even when pointed downwards. I agree the main issue is the size of the aperture into the trigger mechanism and ill fitting of pellets into those very expensive magazines. Shorter pellets seemed to be the main culprit whereas JSB Exact seem to fit better.

Very disappointing to see bsa's brand new flagship rifles are not being thoroughly tested at the factory before getting sent out , back in 2008 when bsa revealed the pictures of its new ( yet to go on sale ) flagship rifle that was retiring the super ten ,people were excited , the prototype rifle looked leagues above the super tens ,a quick fill and a gauge , that was a major thing back then , so in 2009 when the first r tens ( the mk1) started to hit shelves , they sold instantly , however most people who bought one were back at the gunshop within a few days , the regulators used in the rifles were failing massively , usually it was power inconsistencies that were the problem ( in turn causing accuracy issues ) . It's a shame the r tens started off so bad , bsa eventually did a MK2 r ten before even releasing that model , the mk 1s ended up with re worked regulator's getting installed ( just to get the rifles to sell ) I bought one of the re worked mk 1s and it served me well for 2 years , not one problem at all . I then bought a super carbine MK2 , again no problems and never once broke down in the 2 years I kept if for .

Can't believe my bsa ultra ended up with a pellet stuck inside like yours, watched your video and I have now fixed my gun 👍👍👍👍

Thank you very much for taking the time to do this video I am on the market for a new air rifle and my local rfd has been pushing me towards the r12 and I was just about to order one I intended getting the .22 but having read the comments on here I think I should hold on to my money and look for something else.

Thanks for this. Although I have an AA Ultimate Sporter .177 and a HW100KT .177 I was considering getting one of these in .177 but will not be doing so now. I checked this out and you are right people are having this issue with the magazines. I think it is awful you were told user error and this should have gone straight back to BSA. That is a bad fault! I have had issues with my AA and my HW both with air leaks BUT both went back without question and were repaired under warranty quickly and no problems since.

for £1000 imo there should be NO "quirks" or issues with a gun, for that much money i want flawless. maybe thats unrealistic but if its not flawless for that money i wont buy it. i saw reviews of the Ultra CLX by bsa (£650 rifle) had the mounting nut for the stock too far forward so it caused leverage and also had very little wood on the actual stock to stop the bolt pulling through, also the mag springs were too tight and took shavings off the skirts of pellets and built up in the gun. i got my first PCP today, gamo phox starter kit, pump and all that for £530, it doesnt have a single one of these issues. it really feels like BSA dropped the ball on the "CLX" stuff which is a shame cause it was supposed to be a show of their optimal engineering, the pinnacle of 160 years of being in business, and they all end up having issues. damn shame.

I have had mine since launch date never had an issue but interesting video

I had a BSA SuperTen in about 2001 and the magazines were awful. Amazing that this is still a problem nearly a quarter of a century later! I got myself a Rapid instead and didn't look back.

I will never load gun pointing up, h+n ftt 177 work well they are a short pellet wonder whether that helps, pluss when i load i wiggle and tap the mag to seat pellet deeper in mag. Shouldn't have to do this, do not not not let it lie keep having a go at them, all the best pal!

Good video. Sounds like the groove the O ring sits in should be a touch deeper. This will allow O ring to grip pellets better.

The O ring groove is not quite deep enough which is why using different rings doesn't reliably retain the pellets.

Cheers mate .....was seriously thinking of getting one.....not a chance in hell now

Watched a guy on YT have to rework the barrel on his 12,had to recrown it ,and he made a longer probe to seat the pellet in further to slightly engage the rifling,if you put a pellet in the chamber and tipped the barrel up the pill would fall out. It shot fine after the extensive rework!!

😮 I got mine the 1st week of release. I've never had an issue

I had that too and yes, it's a shame I sold it and got the GAMO Bullpop, no problems 😉

I can beat the lot after owing 6 r10s with know problem I purchased a .22 r12 .First time I went out to test it it did not work it would not revolve the magazines so sent it back and got it back I'm still to test it again how can that have happened when they are meant to test the rifles before sending them out to the shops to sale

Went to buy a bsa the thing was leaking air new,took a AA S510SX instead, that turned out to be leaking too together with a faulty magazine and woefull accuracy due to pellets clipping glued on mod,brought that back pronto,then did what i should have done in the first place took a weihrauch hw100 and its been absolutely flawless! Leave the rest buy the best,weihrauch!

thank you for letting me know about the problem I was seriously thinking of buying one today but now I've seen that. not a chance thx again

It’s such a disappointment that the manufacturers don’t listen to the feedback from consumers. BSA just keep sending out guns with faults. The R10, R10 se, the R12, 🙄 I can only assume that the the management at BSA are only interested in short term profits and have no interest in the products they sell only the cars they drive and the pay check at the end of the month.

If you are replacing any o ring on the internals of your rifle make surevyou know the shaw ratting of the rubber it's made from , a lot of people go to the normal DIY shops and buy loads thinking they will do the job , they won't if they are holding any kind of air pressure , that's where specific Shaw ratings are required, I'd recommend looking for the white o rings that best fittings and others sell , they last a lifetime , actually I've never had one fail on me , they are great for the oring needed on the bottles of the r tens and 12s .

I wondered why there are so many of these on the second hand market.

Sounds like they cut the o ring groove in both calibres to the same depth, when drilled for .22 the o ring sits deeper so it holds the pellet firmer. This is a fundamental machining error on bsa’s part. Try making the groove deeper?

Shocking service , I would be fuming with that!!..you shouldn't have be doing that fix on a new bloody gun..I feel for you.. every BSA I've had , I've always used 4.53 pellets as Bsa barrels tend to like them. Or some sort of pellet sized may help.

Okay, I've got a BSA R 10 and R12. The R10 magazine used to misfeed the pellets occasionally. I took the magazine's apart, removed O ring and used a junior hacksaw to cut a deeper groove. End result is a tighter group and no missfeads. R12 is mangling pellets but it's metal so not sure if the same treatment will work. I think it's outrageous that we spend a lot of money and are then told it's user error. It's not user error but a failure to properly test the design. Perhaps we could start a group and gather enough people to put pressure on BSA to fix this design error?

Hello, good video, wish i had seen your video before i bought my BSA R12 CLX PRO .177 black pepper laminate, £1000+ I thoght, better try mine, loaded 1 magzine with 3 brands of .177, (WASP 4.5mm made by Bilsley) (JSB EXACT 4.5mm) (BSA GOLDSTAR 4.5mm) loaded 1 pellet at a at a time, turned the mag upside down and banged it the table, not one fell out, even when cocking the the side lever and loading with the rifle muzzel pointing upwards (virtical) so far so good, hope you get your's sorted and happy shooting..

I had the same prob!em with my clx, wouldn't have another BSA, so irritating

Very disappointing to hear problems like this with such a premium gun. You’re right, all the reviews were on .22s

So if you are rabbit shooting off a bipod and drop one and you have to stand up and point the rifle downwards before you can take another shot ? Well done BSA !

Thats not the only problem with the bsa mags after a while they slip and then the pellet holes dont line up properly with the barrel

Does the O ring go into the pellet chamber I assume that’s how they are supposed to hold the pellets in.?

Had magazine issues with pellets not feeding correctly but my local gun shop has been told by his BSA rep that there are new magazines and has got a new on the way to the shop for me.

My clx is in 22 and jammed up at the moment disappointing hardly covers it !

change the o-ring all you want, its not going change the fact the groove needs to be deeper, the o-ring is never going to come in contact with the pellets enough

Them R12s are getting near £1000, not good enough from BSA. Are the likes over Air Arms having issues to the same level rifle ref S510r?? Ive owned the HW100KT and no issues like this. Its a shame as BSA do make accurate rifles but this is a massive issue. My BSA Scorpion SE had mag issue's.

Wow I was literally just about to push the button and order one. Fantastic video thanks. Mmm what do I get now???

As I've just purchased one of these from airgun centre yesterday, this is a little disappointing to me😢 thanks for doing this video, very informative, i left airgun centre yesterday thinking i didn't want to spend a penny more in there sensing a funny attitude and i had to pull them on the fact there should be two magazines with the x demo deal i was purchasing! They checked thier advertisement before giving me another one, not sure what to do now?

Ratworks, they will sort that problem. Sorted the exact same problem on my Ultra CLX.

it does happen with 22 as ive found out

Ok, AA S510 Ultimate Sporter it is then… thanks 🙏🏼

I was about to buy a clx pro within the next 2 weeks but will hold off now I’ve learned about this loading issue. Reading the forums it appears to be the magazine hole size is too big allowing .177 pellets to fall out.Obviously not every rifle has this problem but it’s obviously either a design flaw or quality control issue with some of the magazines. I see no reason why bsa can’t immediately address this issue by slightly redesigning the magazines??

I echo the last comment thanks for the info.

BSA need to sort this problem out it’s not acceptable for a gun this price to have this problem

That grove ,the o-ring sites in should be deeper, basic engineering fault.

That's bang out of order and blaming the problem on user error .that's the best they can come up with that's a terrible excuse!!!!

Bsa just cannot get it right. Best scrap available what it stands for save yourself the heartache and get as it arms or weihrauch

I was going to buy one of these, but after seeing this video, I definitely won’t. Are BSA going to do anything about the problem ?

Is it a magazine problem or the rifle too😢

Does the R10 th have the same problem. I was thinking of getting that second hand.

what youve just showed me is that same with the clx altra, and i couldnt even get mag out of the gun due to pellets jamming up barrel. very poor design. wont bye another one.cheers

Thx. For the warnings...horrible crap, made in China or UK ?

Got my in .22 and don't have this issue.

Simple fix. Buy a weihrauch or an air arms. Had several bsa pile of crap everyone them waste of money. There customers service is next to useless. Only good bsa is one that John bowket has rebuilt.

What pellets are you using?

oh bollox ...my R12 order is arriving on Monday...

How do you find the accuracy on this?

I can't understand these BSA fanboys. Can you imagine buying a brand new car and immediately having to take it apart and replace parts of the engine with after maket bits to get it to run properly and then telling everyone it was a fantastic car? This is not the first video I've watched listing BSA problems, which wouldn't be so bad if it was a £500 gun from China but for the price its disgraceful. A few years back I bought a new FAC BSA R10SE which turned out to have a sticky bolt and an inconsistent regulator. The RFD sent it back to BSA who seemed to have just pumped a load of grease around the bolt. It was no better. Got lots of on-line advice from other owners, like sending it to 3rd party whizz kids who would replace bits and tweak this and that (£££) after which I would have a marvelous rifle! Are you kidding me? It was rapidly swapped for an Air Arms S510 FAC which cost about the same at the time and which worked perfectly out of the box and through a few years of wet weather and cold winters doing pest control. At the same time I also had a new HW100 sub 12 which, like the S510, worked perfectly out of the box.

Its going to be german gun after reading these posts.

Try better fitting pellets. I have never had a single issue after many thousands of pellets through it. I have the .177

Not fit for purpose. Return for refund would be my advice.

You would expect better from a UK made air rifle with the heritage that BSA had. User error, what a joke. You should just be able to buy and shoot for the next 10 years or more, with a bit of servicing. Do you know if the Ultra CLX's have the same issues as someone wants my Air Arms S510 that has been trouble free for the last eight years in part ex for one.

It is a user error, why would you ever point the barrel upwards. Even level is fine.

Just change the o rings simple as that no more problems don't get all the fuss.

.....carrying on watching mate.....you shouldnt be having to put anything in the fucking gun....its a bad design fault on bsa part.....hope you get some satisfaction....or at least compensation off bsa

Having had two bsa guns in the last three yrs will never buy another ,,nothing but niggly problems ,leaking air seals I've had 3 in last 6 months,and now the gauge is leaking

Thanks ,,, BSA are now not worth buying ,,, they almost got my money but much better brands available

Had mine for a while sent loads of tins down it. Had no problem what so ever. It awesome. Pellet on pellet 30 40 50 yards. Every gun has their problems. Dont mean you have to throw your dummy out the pram