177 vs 22 which caliber is better? - Impossible question? 

@Oh Shoot Airguns Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video, hope everything made sense😄

@Steve Bailey Thanks for your kind words. That XS501 rabbit destroyer looks great and I am sure you will do great with it

Spot on, Thanks for your comment, I agree with your reasoning

@Franklin Garza Thanks and well to the airgun world. Don't overlook the co2 pistols. Probably more user friendly and closer to firearms than springers

Can I add my penny's worth !!! It depends on what your doing to what airgun you need , not sure where you are in the world so I can only go by uk rules , if your hunting I would honestly stay away from pistols all together as the legal limit is 6 ft/lbs it doesn't guarantee a humane kill , if your target shooting then I would go for a spring pistol to start and see if you like it , then go for a pcp, and for a pistol I would go .177 100% of the time

@@matt0xx76 The UK 6ft-lb will provide a humane kill. Indeed less, a lot less point blank, as low as 2.5ft-lb from a Webley Junior (our family's ancient rat trap killer). What you cannot do with a pistol is hunt, the hold over to acquire target is too slow. They will shoot 20 metres but we're into wobble and hit a barn door now. A rat needs to be pipped behind the ear with an air rifle.

If you get into air pistol target shooting then competition only uses 177. The reason is not power but faster velocity and flatter trajectory, but optimum velocity is just under 500fps, not as fast as possible (poor accuracy). Most target competition are only 10 metres (and open sights), some like pistol HFT go as far as 20 metres. I am nowhere near good enough to shoot pistol competition, especially with open sights, but we can learn a lot about air pistols from what they do. The CP1/CP2 (various badges) makes a very accurate air pistol. Its cost and the lightweight CO2 capsule make it a very viable competition practise air pistol. The Diana Bandit is a PCP version of the CP1 (with CP2 bits, barrel has silencer) but it shot count is less than from CO2, tank is only 50cc, AAR got over 40 shots 177 and 474fps which is a bit less than my 177 CP2 pistol, 65 plus self-regulated shots and ballpark 490fps. The Bandit barrel is listed as 240mm but I think that with the silencer on as the spare barrel is identical to CP2 at 208mm. I am quite honestly a terrible shot, I practise with the pistol because it is good practise for arthritis, but I can, with the CO2 CP2 pistol, equal the grouping AAR got in the video, free-held, with a red dot 😉My pistol is slightly modified with the more comfortable CP1 limewood pistol grip, internally it is really only just slicked up, and I have had to bring it down from over 525fps - play with hammer springs, I now have winter and summer springs. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B9qbbOlxuU4.html

Thanks glad you enjoyed it. Welcome to the channel

Thanks, glad it could be of use, welcome to the channel

You're welcome Frans, Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner ok tankyou

@James Valdez well kind of, I was trying to show that both calibers have their benefits but both can work for either job if you make the needed adjustments

Thanks. Really interesting.

Very informative and very interesting. I'm surprised that .22 takes 50% more air than the .177, wow! Regarding your physics credentials, I know both gas piston and spring pistons have there pros and cons, but, in your opinion, which is better, gas piston or spring piston? I'm leaning toward a gas piston in .22 I kind of want to be in the .22 land, but am not excluding .177 yet. I have a .177 crosman 1377 American classic, and an Old sub 400 fps .177 breaker rifle. What are your thoughts on gas piston vs springer designed guns?

I personally would go springer, mainly because I enjoy working on rifles and the springer has a few options when it comes to mods, top hat, shorten spring or lub tune however with gas ram it is what it is you can still work on the rest of the rifle ie. Breech, crown, piston and trigger but a little more limited. Gas ram does however seem to be quieter on the rifles I have used and smoother in the cocking action. Don't overlook the co2 rifles with a little tuning they are serious fun and capable as well as more user friendly. Limited in power but much easier to be accurate and not scope destroyers. 177 vs 22 depending on what you will be doing the most, if it is target work I would go 177, if it is hunting/pest control I would go 22 however both can be just as effective as the other in capable hands. If budget is a concern go 177

I am late to the party but agree with you

I am a hobby engineer (with a heavy math background). There is also one aspect of these "academic" debates that do not address the real world engineering constraints. Almost ALL manufacturers of air rifles use the same type of compressed air system FOR BOTH .177 and .22 caliber rounds. What this means is not difficult to understand. If the same system is being used to develop power, then we can establish that factor is equal. What remains variable is the mass of the projectile (And the mass of air forward from the projectile through the rifle) that represents the equal and opposite force. To overcome this force is variable to the caliber is a simple way to express the difference. This is why two caliber air rifles of the same variant (same power producing system) will have different speeds. What most airgun shooters probably know intuitively but do not fully recognize is this not so subtle reality: 1. whether you are shooting the .177 or the .22 in the same platform, it is ONLY the mass and the opposite force of air resistance (as well as a substantial amount of turbulence/resistance) inside the tube that effects acceleration and velocity that makes a difference in the performance between the two sized pellets. 2. If manufacturers WERE to engineer specifically tune systems one for the .177 cal. and another more robust system for the .22 within the same model, the results of comparisons within the same model would be significantly different in real world shooting performance. (this is the reason why serious minded shooters "shop" between different manufactured brands and variants searching for the best engineered platform for a given caliber. This engineering simplification (profit driven), is a good reason to not rely on the same model of a platform to produce the best performance for both calibers. The emphasis this: we can observe that there is a completely different far more robust system powering the .25 and up caliber class airguns! The fact is, the manufacturers have intentionally built an "ALL IN ONE" business decision to produce platforms that sell to both .177 and .22 caliber shooters, because this is the largest market and the saving (profit) in simplifying the power production yields a higher profit margin.(scales of economy/shared elements). you will notice I used zero math and no engineering equations. none. but I could. and this is why it is important often to put the mechanical pencils aways and simply observe how a product is manufactured and the reasons why..and what those decisions actually mean for performance. What would happen IF manufacturers produced for instance this: specifically engineered platforms for .177...power system, specific rifling to match a standard range of mass pellets, a matched moderator, and seals for higher velocities. and what would happen if they did the same for .22...tooled specifically for the best possible performance just for that pellet. It's been said, time and again, if you want the very best performance, you build the platform around the pellet. F1 has been doing this for decades..they literally build the best performance systems ON THE TIRES! just something to consider. God Bless America

@6:21 my friend is a hadeda and we have many of them around here. They always seem to become vocal at the most impossible times. Try having a conference call with hadeda's on your lawn

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner 😄I have no idea what that is! I am from the west coast of CALIFORNIA 😛 I'll look it up! Haha keep up the good work man! 👍

Thanks for dropping a comment, keep safe and happy shooting

@Colin Mill you are 100% correct and Andy has tested both pellets excessively in 177 and 22. When I made the video I looking at the standard CP2 or Chaser design whereby stock standard the 177 shoots 8gr pellets at 600 fps. The exact same gun in 22 shoots 14.5gr pellets at 500fps, these are both in rifle mode. This gives a standard fpe of about 6.5 and 8 fpe respectively. So if you want to buy a CP2/Chaser to mod you will get better results out of a 22 in terms of fpe. Another advantage when it comes to mods is the transfer port in 22 can be enlarged more than 177 resulting in more gain

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Many thanks for the reply. As it happens I have a CP2 in 177 as a ratting gun with a 3-9x40AO scope and Megaorei 2 night vision adaptor attached (Which slightly ruins the nice light handling of the gun!) I'm getting 8.5ft.lb using the rifle barrel and JSB exacts (0.547 grams). I'm going to be super careful about any power mods I make as, in pistol mode, the thing is slightly too close to the 6 ft.lb. UK limit for pistols and I think I'm going to make the butt a fixed item so it ceases to have the pistol option. Since I'm working in and around farm buildings and only out to about 15m I was keen to have less than 12ft.lb. A head shot does the job with very little power and the barns and greenhouses have all the ventilation they need without my adding to it 8-)=

Sounds like you are geared for success my friend. For ratting the CP2 is hard to beat. If you do decide to take the mod route I recently done a vid with diy options which might interest you. Happy shooting

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner what is your air gun channel to see the mods you did on the cp2

@Robert Niezwicki Thanks for the interest, check out the link below ru-vid.com/show-UCzfjEQaoaFAFoh4gEjofrWg

@Lowkey ENT Thanks for your kind words glad you enjoyed the video, I am a fan of .177 but I also like the. 22 so if you can't decide just get both 😉

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I got a pellet addiction so I feel like adding a caliber to my collection would just be asking for trouble$ haha ! But if I get into hunting I will consider a .22 for sure

Sounds like a plan to me

I'm from Canada also but I have to ask you this : Is .177 really more "popular" here or has it been pushed down our throats ? I did learn of the existance of other calibers in my mid 20's and it took me another decade to actually see one only because I ordered it on the internet. To this day my local store owner doesn't know the difference and was trying to convince me that those .22 pellets would fit just fine in my .177 He is supposed to be an expert ... He is the one who call, sell and repair ... I had to school him behind his own counter 🤷 Now just imagine the face of the guy when I showed him a 5000$ "pellet gun" that shoots .45 slugs so fast it can kill a moose 😁

That does not sound like a favorable situation. I think for a very very long time it was mostly 177 available, at least in South Africa that was the case. You will also notice that the variety of pellets available in 177 is much higher than in 22. 177 is quite a bit cheaper than 22 and for competition shooting it is mostly 177

@Alex Lexon panonian Thanks for your kind words. You are 100% correct you can fit a standard longer spring or a thicker gauge spring will also work

The 'secret' is in the CO2 valve. How long it opens for and how fast it lest gas out of the transfer port. If we hit the valve harder it will open for longer and let more gas out. If we make the valve chamber bigger there is more gas in there to be let out. The problem there is if we let more gas out it will still be coming out long after the pellet has flown. So we need less restriction getting the gas out of the valve chamber, and that is a larger 'gas-flowed' transfer port. Both the brass port itself and the hole in the barrel and that in the valve body. The holes have to line up perfectly too. The maximum size for 4.5mm calibre is a 3.5mm dia hole or the pellet gets stuck in it. I'm at 9/64 inch which is 3.572mm which works without shaving most pellets. I have arrised the lip inside the barrel, took the burr off so it's not a sharp ridge, tricky job like erecting a model ship inside the back end of a cow. There again I'm tuning for sub-500fps pistol because more than that ejects a lot of gas after the pellet has gone. I've moved the baffles around inside the moderator so it is a better muzzle brake, big spacer at the muzzle end. On a warm day I can get a very consistent 65 shots from a capsule and maybe 15 more as it dies. Now it is winter and much colder I'm only getting 40 good shots. About 4.6fpe which is decent for a pistol, about 485fps (the long barrel on the same set up goes over 600fps). But I'm experimenting with a lens dew heater on the valve chamber to bring it up from 2° to over 15°. It's having teething troubles but it shows it does work. Hit the valve as hard as you like with a bigger spring, you will get more power but the limiting factor is getting the gas out of the valve chamber quickly, the transfer port. The CO2 valve works like an industrial gas regulator balancing high internal pressure against the force applied to the pin. If a longer spring or longer valve pin (been there) has the hammer resting on the valve, not in use, it will release all the CO2 in the capsule. There has to be a small gap at rest between the hammer and the valve pin.

@@jeffslade1892 thanks a lot for a excellent explanation 👍

Thanks Luis glad you enjoyed it

Yip both work great, it will come down to personal preference most of the time

I feel that but I did it with .177 haha!

@glad you enjoyed it, I received my CP1 in .22 now and my CP2 is in .177 so I guess I will need to buy both calibers😄😄

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Also one of the reasons is that as I already had the CP1 in .22, my original idea was to swap out the CP1's barrel with the CP2's short barrel so that I could just change the silencer over to the one I wanted to shoot with. However I found that the 5 year old CP1's middle screw on the top that you have to remove is more like a rivet and not easily removable. The two outer screws are removable. I have thought of drilling it out but I am very DIY challenged and would probably mess it up.

@Alex Bond-Smith you will also not be able to do it because the pellet probe of the .22 is a little different to the. 177

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner The are both .22. The silencer is really effective. I shot both yesterday and at first I thought that the CP2 with silencer was not working properly. It was that quiet.

I believe it is 1150 fps

I think that advice was spot on, with air rifles speed is not a necessity get a pellet that matches your barrel. You look like you have your rifles well tuned and setup

Unfortunately yes cold weather is an inherent draw back to co2. I really like your idea of the warmers and it will work well. I don't tend to struggle with temps here. We have summer pretty much for 9months of the year where it ranges between 25°C and 40°C so if anything we probably get a little more out of the co2 this side of the world

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Fortunately it rarely makes it over 30° here, phew! The vapour pressure is not linear and when there is sufficient pressure in it the valve it resists opening better and self-regulates, or can. Thus for a fairly wide range of temperatures the fps remains quite constant - but with less shots per capsule as there is effectively less gas volume per capsule as the temperature drops. Perhaps interestingly I was seeing a greater drop in fps with the long barrel then the short one, and it was then that I started making a note of the temperature. However even at only 7° I was still getting a decent fps, but only about 30 good shots. It was then I put the heater jacket on the long barrel. It went back up to close to 600fps, (essentially what is says in the manual is how mine is tuned) but I'd used one of those little mobile phone backup batteries and it went flat in short order.

Spot on @Brian Amuro while each might be better suited to certain tasks, both can be used for those tasks. If not sure, get both 😁

Thanks glad you enjoyed it

I do agree with you on that, if I was going purely for just a pistol I would stick 177, personally

Agreed it is an advantage but maybe not enough to convince you not to go with. 22

Not just the price of the lead , if your talking 12 ft/lb .177 is the calibre to go for , only negative is they get blown about abit in the wind

Sounds like you have your story figured out. What rifle are you shooting?

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I have a couple of Weihrauch rifles, a HW97 sporter (mainly for fun and target shooting, I love spring guns) and a tuned HW100 bullpup which is crazy accurate but not as much fun as the springer. Both in .177.

Awesome the Weihrauch rifles are brilliant, one day when I am big I will own 1

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Definitely worth saving up for, accurate and they last for ever.

Thanks glad you enjoyed the video, and you are 100% correct

Hi Stephan that is correct you will need to use hold over and hold under more when using. 22. Especially in sub12. However .22 will be less affected by wind

I think that is a very good summary and makes a lot of sense. Thanks for your inputs

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner cheers mate , new sub from 🇬🇧

Thanks for the sub, I used to shoot a lot of slingshots at a stage as well

Horses for courses but definitely 177 can do what 22 does just need to keep certain considerations in mind

Agreed 100% hence 22 retains it's energy better but most people won't be shooting 100m with a 177

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Yes there are so many varibles. A .177 JSB Monster (13,43 gr) will retain its energy better then a .22 JSB Hades (15,89 gr) at any fps and distance....At 900 fps the 177 Monster has 32,8 J : 15,9 mm2 = 2,06 J/mm2. The .22 Hades 38,8 :23,8 = 1,63 J/mm2..

You are 100% correct, both calibers will fulfill most requirements however depending on what you want to do with your air rifle a certain caliber may be slightly better suited but not to say you can't use the other caliber. Shoot what you have and enjoy it

Yes in deed @@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner

Sounds like you got it all figured out, and agreed 177 will give a nice flat trajectory which can make longer range shooting easier except if you have a lot of wind

30 yards is about 27 meters, that seem to much for pest control. What gun do you use ? Do you know it's power ?

​@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner that is not a totally satisfactory or correct reality. at a higher velocity (.177), effects of drift are less. To understand this fully, consider Time of flight. The effects of wind is a factor of time plus windspeed. For example, simplified, two scenarios: let's assume the .177 pellet is traveling at 900 fps over a 70 foot distance with 3 fps wind effect at a perfect 90 degree angle. now lets assume the .22 pellet is traveling at 600 fps over the same 70 foot distance with the same 3 fps wind effect also at a perfect 90 degree angle. in these two examples, distance and wind effects are the same, but time of flight is NOT THE SAME. and how much difference would that make? time of flight is substantially less for the .177 ! and here is the kicker: while the .177 pellet has far less mass than the .22, one would make the assumption it would deviate more than the .22 pellet. But it turns out when you do the math, the difference in mass between the two have no significant effects.. What does make the most difference is the time of flight. This is how LONG does the wind LOAD upon that pellet. This is what makes the most difference. To emphasize this reality, imagine what happen at 90 feet, 120 feet...double the 70 feet out to 140 feet. That is twice the time of flight. A mere 3 fps wind force at perfect 90 degrees will have more effects on a .22 not because it is .22, but because it takes longer for that round to make the distance than the .177. And in that longer time, subject to more force over time from that wind load. IN GENERAL, all things being equal....177 pellets that travel even 100 fps faster than the .22 are not going to be deflected by the wind as much as the .22 If you doubt this and want to see this in the real world step on to a 300 meter range with a 308 with a muzzle velocity of around 2500 fps. Then shoot that same range with a .223 at 3200 fps. Not only will the .223 get to target faster, but it will deviate less from wind load. sometimes using a larger scale helps to understand what happens in the 70 foot airgun segment. of course, we don't have to calculate corriolos factors...so that's a bonus! God Bless America

another analog just to imagine this reality: two runners, both are exactly the same size and volume..identical twins in ever respect...and are sprinting a race across 100 feet IN THE RAIN. (for purposes of this illustration we will assume the rain is the same for both runners..and this rain is moving perfectly left to right..even spaced drops of rain..perfectly timed in sequence and in phase and the rain only happens in that 100 foot distance. the rain does not occur at the end of the race, or before it.) The first runner completes the race TWICE as fast as the second runner. now weigh both runners after the race is complete (we will assume their bodies completely absorb the rain) who weighs more? the slower runner. this is a simple analog to understand that TIME is the factor. going back to airguns. it would be the same if you compared two velocities even from the same caliber pellet. (as with this analog illustration). the main factor controlling the effects of drift, is TIME. there are some other factors, but this is the single most critical and significant factor: time. or as they say, time of flight. these are solely my opinions, but they are based on not just academic mathematics, but from real world shooting results. breaking the sound barrier is recommended. highly recommended, even if the intended target is only 70-100 feet. speed is your friend. .177 can do that "easier" than a .22 pellet not because it is a smaller round, but because most all manufactures of air rifles make no different power systems to drive one to the other. The power systems used are essentially the same, and in most cases identical. Now, if you want to develop a custom air rifle that actually produces the kinds of pressures needed to drive a .22 pellet at speeds equivalent of the .177...I would imagine that is possible, but you would be looking at somewhere between 50-80 CC capacity per shoot needed to get the volumetric pressure...I think there are some airguns that can do this..but when you consider the money involved...and for the use case of shooting small caliber rounds at maximum effective ranges far below 100 yards, practically I would argue just buy a .223 or .17 magnum standard powder rifle for match target and small game and slap a decent moderator on it and save alot of money and regret. For the .177 pellet gun however, it's relatively easy and thus affordable to produce super sonic pressures and highly accurate and flat trajectories out to 100 feet, with more than enough john wayne for the typical target and small game victims. These are my thoughts on the matter. I spent a few weeks recently doing some research to learn in depth the differences between the .177 and .22 pellets. I suspected based on my experience with powder guns, the .177 pellet would be the preferred caliber. What I was not prepared to understand is that in the 100-1,000 dollar range air rifle market, manufacturers don't really make different power systems any differently between the two calibers. And this is why you don't see supersonic .22's in the typical retail market. You have to step way up and empty out your wallet to actually get a air rifle that can produce a supersonic .22 caliber pellet and do it reliably AND SAFELY. And that really explains the ballistic differences between the two pellet sizes in this retail market. This is the reality in the air gun segment. Certainly there are exceptions, but again, the cost is extravagant to say the least. .177 is easy and cheap and relatively SAFE to produce a system to power it to superspeeds. Not so much with .22 and above. now here is something to ponder: what would happen if the air gun segment developed a .20 caliber pellet...would not have to change anything but the rifle bore and breach! And many of the 250-600 dollar platforms could reliably and safely deliver superspeeds !! adding just 1-2 grams of mass would deliver the kind of force most of us really are after, and with essentially the same .177 flat trajectory ballistics. Will this happen? probably not. But it's an interesting idea. God Bless America

@@frederic6998 Beeman 10616. 1024 fps with crosman hollow point. The pellet expands bigger than a 22, dumping energy qiickly, causes massive damage, instant kills, little pass through if any. 22 will pass through at that speed with less damage to the target but back drop can be a problem. This is proven. I use rws superdomes in my 1377 crosman, 580 fps, 6.2 fpe, also kills game size up to wood chucks. Pellet choice is important and promotes safety.

@G Whitfield that sounds like a well thought out line of reasoning. The nickel at 80yds was an impressive shot I must say. I think you are onto something 😉

That is true with alloy pellets you do get more fps but you will loose power(fpe) due to the lighter weight. Also be careful accuracy of the alloy pellets is not a good as lead in general

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I am sure you are correct Tyrone as you are a expert in the airgun field. I want to try them at 45 feet from a target over the lead just so that I can see the difference. I finally bought a chronograph and it will arrive by next weekend.

Haha, definitely no expert just learning the hobby as I go, let us know your findings then we can verify the assumptions

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Never underestimate your talents.😎🇺🇸

Norica make copper coated pellets.

Sounds like you have all your shooting requirements covered, happy shooting and welcome to the channel

I shoot a .177 daystate huntsman after shooting .22 rifles all my life (all sub 12ft/lb ) and I wouldn't go back to a .22 unless it was FAC

@Aldo I kind of agree with you, .177 is easier to be accurate because of the flat trajectory but someone who knows their rifle and is a good shot will be just as accurate with either 177 or 22. The 22 do definitely hit harder and retain energy for longer. I plan to try some slugs in the near future will probably try the 13gr in the 177. With regards to shooting pigeons, I have actually got a few this week with 177 and using 7.5gr pellets the secret is to hit the vitals and if possible a spine or neck will bring them straight down. Happy shooting! Tyrone

If you hit them in the head at 35m doesn't matter the calibre , they ain't flying away

Well no harm in trying the FT green maybe you have a barrel that likes them

I can agree with that, the higher speed of the 177 will allow you to shoot longer ranges easier due to the flatter trajectory

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner The Darts even though expensive are my go to in .177 . Same hole groups at 35 yards . Never tree rat hunt with any thing else ! Then if you get a hard headed possum on your deck or a coon it's into the brain pan city !

Ok never heard or tried the Darts before

Agreed, problem with .20 is also availability

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner That’s the biggest disadvantage bro! And pellet diversity!

Had a .20 and found it a good calibre but pellet choice was very limited .

@keithbickmore2801 yes .20 would be a good caliber if it was mre available

@@keithbickmore2801 ...yes that´s the sad thing about it...but if the demand would be higher, than the manufacturers would produce also more pellet types. But You´re right. I nearly got ALL types and that are FIVE !!!

Are you looking to go PCP or CO2 and what is your budget

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I dont know what would u say I'm only familiar with air /Co2 budget wise say 4 ton

Well for co2 I would go with CP2 without a doubt. Best of both worlds for close range you can use pistol, for longer distance you can use rifle. For PCP I would go for something like the Artemis PP750 or PP800 again both pistol and rifle option. If you got a bit more budget Reximex RP Pistol or Hatsan Jett but you would need a silencer for both these options

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner thanks mate ,I was looking at the wierracch rifles in 22 and 177 they look really nice (pcp) do you have to pump air into them ?

The Weihrauch rifle are very very high quality and if you can afford it definitely yes. If it is a PCP you will need a fill source either pump, scuba tank or compressor, I don't know of any Weihrauch co2 pistols or rifles. If you are looking in the Weihrauch price range also look at Walther and Umarex there you may get a few co2 options

Hi, the stormrider is great, what is the main thing you want to do with the rifle? If it is to hunt go for 5.5 if it is for target work go for a 4.5mm.

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner hunt ...and wenn i make that what you Tell me 🫣 White diana Stormrider how far kann i Hunt?

@micheletanasescu4476 with the stormrider you could effectively hunt up to 40m.

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner Tyron ,have you a night vision?when yes ...cann you make one Video 😉

@micheletanasescu4476 I don't have a night vision but would love to have 1

@roy votava Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment and welcome to the channel. Well I would say it was not a trick question but rather trying to show 177 vs 22 in the same power bracket. I am in South Africa where we also don't have limits in terms of power but most people who follow the channel have the sub12 restriction. If you had the same power, 177 would be faster and 22 would be heavier=harder hitting basically what I was trying to show with some other considerations as well

Hi George, definitely if you are mainly target shooting and sub12 I assume, I would also go with 177

You are probably correct just a pity the availability on the .20 isn't great but definitely a worth while option

@Vardagsrums Datorn sorry for the poor sound, I guarantee my newer vids are better. Thanks for the constructive criticism it is appreciated

I am not sure I understand what you are asking

Pellet widths are .177 inch and .22 inch.

Spot on Frikkie, spot on.

If you took the exact same rifle in 177 and 22, the 22 will be quieter as it uses the air more efficiently due to having a heavier pellet. You are 100% correct though that the impact sound of the 22 will be louder than 177

Bigger pellets use more air on my planet.

Well I guess you're on the .22 side of the fence then. Thanks for leaving a comment

@@African-Budget-Pellet-Gunner I’ve got two of each there is no comparison when it comes to actually hunting with them the 177 are a step above the red Ryder lever actions

Depends on velocity and accuracy. Not pellet size.

@@peterbaugh51 velocity has nothing to do with hunting capabilities period

Accuracy, Accuracy and then accuracy

Hi @Fred eric sorry not sure I understand your comment, what is based on my own imagination?

Sorry man, here i South Africa, we can use any power as long as it is .22 or smaller