in the behind the scenes video for this mv, you see him apologizing right after he pushes her and she tells him it's fine. I think it's something the director wanted rather than what they were personally comfortable with.
i know that you hated the "violence" in this and believe me I was put off at first but I hope it just doesn't make you hate them or think they're actually like that bc i saw the behind the scenes and both suga and jin kept on apologising to the girl and i it makes me think that the whole "aggressive" guy is what the director wanted since the title of the song in hangul is technically "Strong/tough guy" though I wish they didn't have to resort to this sigh.. honestly they're nice and genuine kids. i just hope this doesn't change your mind about them ^^
***** yeah same here! and seeing the behind the scenes you can tell suga and jin feel so bad when they did it.. and when they finished the scene jin was like "OH MY GOD IM SO SORRY" and he kept on bowing and apologizing and asking the girl if she's okay(she was like really im okay im okay it doesn't hurt) and it made me realise that they're really kind kids and wouldn't hurt a fly probably lmao
As an Army I'm proud that you're learning their names... The cleaning part is a commen thing in Korea. students clean their own classrooms, but cleaning toilets are concidered either a duty, or sometimes a punishement.... The pushing part is called "Kabedon," and is very popular in Japan. It may look violent, but if the girl tried to push them or actually tell them to stop, guys would let them go. Most guys use Kabedon when the girls are begin shy or are playing hard to get, which also is quite comon.... you know, cultural diffrences.... But the guys usually don't do it hard :)
+Ismaring007 Wow, thanks for the info :D I didn't know it was a thing! If someone pushed me like that I would punch them in the face. Cultural differences or not, that's a completly wrong way to hit on somebody...
still, kabedon doesn't usually involve actually pushing or shoving the girl, just slamming your hand on the wall. even so, people rarely do kabedon seriously in real life. the director probably included those scenes to make them look "tough" anyway. kinda misguided imo
MsNinjani yeah, in real life most people don’t use it in real life, but many directors in asia use it to portray a manly man, which is the name of this song. I don’t like that image, but i understand why they would use that to paint a picture of manly man.
LOL Jimin was cleaning because mostly in Asian schools the "janitor" are the students assigned for the job such as: cleaning up the homeroom, and the bathrooms. Its not really meant as a punishment, its just how they do things
I love that you don't remember your initial response to this video. You didn't like the gender relations then and you were put off by BTS for a long time until they grew on you. I'm glad that you guys spoke up about this though, because it is a problem. I think the director wanted the scenario to seem aggressive so that when the boys actually had good intentions, it was a surprise, but they went way too far with it. A twist like that isn't worth the message it's sending, and I don't know how much of it is a cultural difference and how much of it was a bad artistic decision. It's too bad bc I love the song and MV other than that.
+Alexa Planje I think there is somewhat of a cultural difference. I can't count how many times I have seen scenarios where the male lead has dragged the female lead by her wrist in k-dramas, and it's almost always romanticized. So it seems to be a normalized thing, not sure how common but at least enough to be represented continuously in their media.
+d0s0a0f thanks for the context. I mean, even in the US people wouldn't blink an eye. Many reactors to this video say nothing about so I'm not surprised that it got shot. Whoever did the shoving obv knew it was wrong or he wouldn't have been so uncomfortable with it but I don't think they've been taught how to deal with these situations, esp under so much pressure. It's too bad that no one ever spoke up against it though, like Josh originally said. There are problematic messages in many pop/rock/hip hop songs and even our bias group isn't perfect on that level. There are young girls who even say they have no problem with it and think it's hot, which is sad bc it isn't in this context. I have problems with Rap Mon's "Trouble" too, as much as I kind of love that sketch song.
I'm glad they talked about the message and the gender relations bc this was the second Bts mv i ever saw(the first was Dope so thats why I wanted to know more about them) and it put me off so much i didn't get into them until Run. The lyrics in Danger were quite aggressive too, and i really disliked War of Hormone. Im glad they went in a different direction since I need u! It shows a lot of growth so I hope they dont repeat the situation in this Mv in the future
It's nice seeing these kinds of comments because at least people are open-minded to recognize that the content of the video is problematic. Even in the MV itself, not many people open these discussions and what's even more sad is that girls think getting shoved, dragged, etc is hot. As someone who has experienced sexual harassment first hand, I'm telling you, THIS is how it could look and it is far from hot. This is also my 2nd BTS video and it put me off for a long time. I just hope that as a quite progressive group, speaking against societal standards and all, they also realize the problems in these kinds of video. They are after all just actors in MVs and do not directly control the reins. Sorry for the long comments. Haha. Some feels I've kept for quite a long time~
Actually they were all acting...it's not real life.. And even when they write some of their own songs, they don't have the freedom to direct their own music video. Mind you, this was back when BTS was struggling and getting very little media attention. Making a music video may have been a PR scheme as well to help them get a little bit more attention. Back then, they were trying to find their sound and uphold their original concept- to be a purely hiphop idol boy group that made Korean hiphop music inspired by legendary hiphop artists like Coolio and J.Cole. The company kept trying to make them look like badboys to suit the hiphop image, and I guess they just thought that acting like this would showcase a more American hiphop style. They've changed a lot though. Recently, the boys said that if they could rewind time knowing what they'd have to do to gain the success they have today, they would have taken another path. Even in the making of this music video, Suga and Jin were reluctant to act that way towards the actress. It IS however, just acting. No one was harmed in the making of this video.
+Jasmine Kira Knight uhh that about taking another path meant that they would never want to go through that (training, dieting, debuting, struggling for popularity) again. it was so tiring and so difficult for them that the idol path wouldnt be a path they would choose again. its not about taking another path musically speaking. honestly i think theyre not too ashamed of their earlier stuff (save for a few songs maybe) and they shouldnt be because it was always good. and boy in luv, as cringy as it may be for us, kinda fit into a certain kind of fantasy of a deliquent bad boy (i mean lbr.. it exists) and it REALLY made them much more popular and recognizable (they did get their first music show nomination for this song after all), 2 years later people still remember them very well for the school uniform concept. so even if we hate it, it helped them a lot in the end (which is why i could never fully hate it.. and anyway it was my fav era for them and i still love SLA album sooo much)
The title of the mv is called manly man in korea. I think the reason why there is violence in the mv is because they are "manly man" and they dont fall in love(hence the "why are you shaking up my heart"). Since they have never actually liked a girl before, they don't know how to treat girls or confess to them("how did dad ask mom out"). If you notice, they look/are bad boys. They are probably treating the girl the way they are treating everything else in life. BTS are bad boys in this mv(bad boys aren't generally seen in a good light anyways. so comment on it as you please)
BTS didn't have much of a say in this concept and the direction of the MV was decided entirely by the director. Jin absolutely loathed this and kept apologizing to her, on the brink of tears. They didn't decide that. They didn't want to do that. And it did receive backlash, both in Korea and internationally. Nobody said it was okay. This director just went crazy and the company let it happen. It's on them. BTS was seriously struggling at the time and the company was trying to sell that they were "bad boys." BTS had no say in how the MV went or this song, actually. Rap Monster and Suga wrote their own lines, but what they wrote had to fit in the concept. That is literally all the involvement they had. The fact that you would be so close-minded to blame BTS themselves and not want to hear exactly what happened is purely ignorant and disrespectful on your part. I hope you are actually open to reading the explanations people have provided instead of acting the way you are in the video.
i think everyone even ARMYs were uncomfortable with those scenes but also we gotta understand that this was all what the director wanted.. Cuz in the Behind the Scenes you could see Jin really earnestly (almost in tears) repeatedly apologizing to the girl and hoping he don't have to that again. But really though even when i watch kdramas (which i love) im not a fan of those wrist grabs and really want to see those parts reversed at least once and the girl does that wrist grab to a guy... but i guess that is just a big thing there and they like it so idk...
if you listen to school luv affair and dark and wild album in proper order, you will understand this thing. lol. school luv affair (boy in luv and just one day are in this album) is mostly about immature and unstable adolecent or even younger boys "falling love into" a girl. as you read in english subtitles, they even don't know how to say "I love you" to a girl! Immature boys don't know proper way to propose a girl, and treat her in a boy-like , somewhat violent way. Later in" just one day", they found out how to ask a girl to date out. That way, the boy became a boyfriend of the girl. later in "danger", the boy found out that he is the one who loves her, but the girl didn't seem so. She doesnt say much things, or say she loves him, or chat with him. He is frustrated and sings "danger" . this way two albums are connected ti each other. I hope my bad english didn't bother you much. I like your BTS reactions very much.
The korean title of the song is "Manly man" so the MV is about a man who wants to express his love but he don't know how to do and he ended up showing his manly side, as kids who bother his lover to get her attention, in asian dramas, there's a lot of that ^^ Girls like that btw :P I think it's cultural shock ^^ don't worry, ARMYs don't think that BTS are god and it wasn't their idea, Jin apologized to the girl, they're not like that x)
What's that, Rosh? You didn't like the violence? SHINee is your answer! SHINee's 1000 Years, Always By Your Side to be exact! Comment now and you'll receive more pleas to watch the mv. But wait! There's more! Reply to this comment with confirmation that you'll watch the 1000 Years mv along with some SHINee live performances and I'll DOUBLE the amount of pleas and throw in some smiley faces AND praises of how much I love you guys! (Limited supplies may occur)
just thought id add, boy in luv is actually their english title for 상남자, which is the korean title. 상남자/sangnamja means 'tough man' or 'manly man'. i dont think theres an actual term to define 상남자 in english, which is prob why they went with ‘boy in luv’ as their english title (?) but you can still see how the boys try to convey a 상남자 feeling through out the video by acting all tough and manly and still be like giving out roses, theyre not treating women there like crap honestly, its just theyre trying to show a 'tough/manly/strong' image, i guess that got translated extremely well in the music video~~ ^^
And yes there is no reason for a guy to EVER put his hands on a girl, but even w/ that in mind, the point of the MV is they all play "bad boys" that couldn't care less about what any1 says about them but are 1 day blinded by a new girl's beauty and fall in love @ 1st sight, but they keep the "bad guy" exterior until they're completely alone and they turn into hopeless romantics and big softies LOL
Idk dragging someone is never appealing to me but the "wrist grab" is quite famous. Its in ton of mvs, dramas, and movies. Supposed to make your heart flutter but would most likely earn someone a slap. Still like bts although I dont like that move. Please react to Neon Bunny - Its you
at 5:54 Rob is saying that in mvs he has not seen violence besides in abusive relationships. Check out bap one shot and my name's baby I'm sorry. there is totally NOT violence in those videos
+Josh Binder I completely agree with the 2 of u guys this is definitely my least favourite mv from BTS & it got some backlash from the west though confusingly in Korea it actually got a good response. You should check out the L.A. version of Boy in Luv directed by Warren G. They did it for a reality show in L.A. & while it's totally different from what they normally do & not very good because the guys were awkward & way too shy with the girls (especially Jungkook), it really is interesting to see them attempt an american style video.
This song is the last part of their school trilogy: -No More Dream (Dream) -N.O (Happiness) -Boy In Luv (Love) Three things that is important for teenagers(Dream,Happiness and Love) And yeah,Jin kept apologized to the girl after the filming cause he felt bad.This mv doesn't have storylines so that explained why there's 3 people confessing at the girl with the rose.
In Korea, a lot of the time students are given duties like cleaning up after class or taking out trash. That's why they were cleaning the bathrooms. It happens in Japan, too, I believe.
In the part where Jin pushed the girl against the lockers, he immediately apologized and bowed to her in the mv filming version. Jin is a good guy in real life!
OMG MEMORIES!!!! I remember when this came out man... So long ago but I remember it so well... This is actually like my favorite era of BTS lol >.< but no being aggressive towards women is not acceptable in Korea that was just that whole "Bad Boy" "Manly Man" type concept they were doing (not that I agree with it) but of course in real life they're all sweethearts are felt so bad for having to do that to the girl lol but for real this era was LIFE!!
If you are wondering why Jimin was mopping the toilet floor, it is something common happening in an asian school like in Korean and Japan. Basically, each class has a duty roster where every week, each student will have a duty to keep their classroom and school clean. For example, toilet duties, cleaning the class' windows, distributing morning milk ect.
as i remember from an interview when the one who stood up in front of the girl and sing her supposed to be only jimin but he was shy and couldnt do the long shoot so they add other members as well :))
in korea and Japan students do the cleaning, they don't have janitors, plus it gives them a sense of responsibility, also they pretty much live at their schools
Winner marathon? They released new mvs and not only that , before releasing the new mvs they had other rappers/groups/singers/comedians in their company (yg) to do 15-30 seconds cover of the songs, but they had the choice of changing the beat of the song how ever they want but they had to keep the lyrics the same keeping all their fans on their toes trying to find out the beat of the songs which was kinda cool. People who did the covers: Epik high, Lee hi, Taeyang, Gdragon, AKMU, Zion . T, Dean etc
actually i remember seeing a video about relationships in korea made by a korean girl.. she said that the "clichés" that we see in k-dramas like arm grabbing and what happened here in the mv are very common, and the girls there are ok with it..
i'm from taiwan but this thing about pushing girls against a wall or something is also popular in tw. it started from some k drama and we call it "壁咚" in chinese. its received as rather manly and romantic to do such a thing though. only that in this video the director wants to give them this "bad boy look" which they are absolutely not, which results in them being like really rude to that girl. but honestly for me as a person who is aware of this culture, I feel fine watching this vid and still I'd say that "壁咚“ is something at least most taiwan girls or k drama fans would want to experience xD I guess it's just that u guys don't know about whats trending in asia thats all
The point of the violence in this video was to show how confused the boys were with how they felt about the girl. I've seen it happen a million times with my younger sister, where a boy gets a little overly aggressive with her (thankfully she gets just as aggressive back with her sarcasm). That's all that is meant to show. Is them trying to sort out their feelings.
I'm glad you reacted to this video, and I'm glad you pointed out the issues in the video. The treatment of the girl is problematic, and I was disappointed by it. It's clear from the behind the scenes that BTS didn't really want to be so rough - Suga and Jin apologized a lot to the actress, but like you said, it doesn't make it okay. It seems the director wanted a "tough boy" but it definitely went too far with the stalking, pushing, and dragging in the name of "romance." I don't like the video concept at all. BTS themselves are actually very kind (and somewhat afraid of girls heh) so I am comforted by that, but I wish BTS had enough say in the video to not do this. I really hope they are aware it was wrong, and that they stay away from this image in the future. They have so far, and I am glad for that.
I consider that is more interesting that looking for a sound. Big Hit is a very interesting company. They play with the concep in a line of stage. All comeback is a new concept of the young live. Also, they play with your feeling that are different in each stage of your life. You prefer sad song or hard sound song or romatic song in your moments related with your feelings. The special thing is that BTS become each sound in their sound and in theri moments. Since the loss thought face to the society in no more dream, follow the need to go to their love without experience in boy in luv, after this the possibility and the swet love in just one day, the things are bad and they are in danger with a rock sound. And the last is the light and the darkness of leave the young or maybe still in there forever with last albums... You have to hear all the songs that doesn't have a MV. Sorry for my english.
can't wait for the next bts reaction! hope you guys will include baepsae reaction later. the song and dance are both dope! unfortunately, they only have fancam for the live performance :(
I know you like BTS. You should start reacting to their other videos, like Bangtan Bombs or BTS Gayo for example. You would probably not only learn their names, you would definitely fall ,,in love" with them, since they have such a bright personalities. 💕 Oh, please do that... I love your reactions. I am watching you, since you were ,,non k-pop fan". :D
First when I saw this mv, the violence thing got me too and then weirdly enough i turns kinda sweet when you look at it more attentively. It's kinda sweet they bring the girl to Kookie. Still it is wrong to treat a girl like that. It's not that weird the cleaning thing, in europe we have it too. We have janitors and cleaning ladies but as punishment we need to clean like bathrooms and such. But also just a couple of times of a school year, you are cleaning the classrooms too, without punishment. We even have to clear the "playground' sometimes. Even if it is after school hours.
Hey! I loved your comments on this video! Its really important to point out the aggressivness and totally not cool treatment towards the girl in the video, that i noticed a lot of youtubers didnt comment on, so bravo to you! And please please react to SHINee's 1000 Years always by your side! Its absolutely amazing and you will love it for sure!
Has anyone ever heard of the song Together by Infinite? It is not a fast song but it has a nice story behind it and the lyrics were written by all of seven members. I believe the lyrics are talking about Infinite members as well as the fans. I am recommending this song to anyone who likes Infinite and their music. As well as slower songs. I highly recommend that Josh give it a try as well. whoever looks it up, Enjoy!
Don't worry! That was definitely something Jin didn't enjoy doing. They're literally afraid of girls and treat them really well irl. They're all amazing people. You should've seen Jungkook at ISAC recently 😂 He flinched so hard when girls from a girl group approached him to hand him an award haha
yeah, definitely an MV that doesn't bear watching. Even an eternal love for BTS doesn't excuse it. I was bracing myself for a repeat of your last reaction to the same MV. As others have said, it seems to be a fairly common way of displaying masculinity in the media of Korea and Asia more widely. Its the worm out trope of the rough gangster guy who secretly has a heart of gold and would never actually hurt you. Pretty used to seeing it in manga, anime and dramas (with romantic music and falling cherry blossoms to soften the image) but it's weird in kpop... Because even thought they're "acting", the BTS members are kind of role playing versions of themselves - which makes the violence a little too confronting.
The guy that pushed the girl against the locker (Jin) felt really bad after he did that but the girl was like no it'll good on screen (I watched the behind the scenes). Plus this is just an MV to show their bad boy image, like kdramas they just over exaggerate the scenes for aesthetic purposes. Although I felt the same way in terms of the way they treated her and they honestly didn't need those scenes but hey what's done is done.
Let me just tell this to you, almost all groups just use one actor or actress in the music video because those people are also paid. Since they are still not that popular(comparing to other groups like bigbang), they can't really afford it yet. Even with the group mamamoo. They were supposed to hire an actress for their mv uk oh ah yeh. But, since they spent too much money on the props for their transformation, they couldn't afford it anymore and decided on just making Solar the main girl.
Josh, PLEASE react to SNSD into the new world Ballad at the Tokyo dome! It's their first time performing without Jessica and since you and Rob Know quite a bit about SNSD and Jessica, I think it will be very meaningful to you. Please? I really want to see how you'd react!
seriously i am now obsession to jo kwon song(crosswalk) omg like exactly hopeless love for park jimin from 15& and 2pm heart beat omg and these songs my style i love them i'm not kidding every time when i do something like cooking or writing or even drawing i here hopeless love and this song just attack my heart now it will be in my lest , so i hope you react to them ")
Everyone is talking about kdramas/ other asian dramas portraying the shoving and wrist grab. Has anyone ever seen American westerns? They did this stuff all the time. Heck, it doesn't even have to be a western. They did all kinds of rough grabbing and shaking of women they liked in other american movies and shows across the years. I'm not saying it's good for people to do that in real life, but it happens a lot in all kinds of media over many years. It's a fairly common theme. Like girl-> don't want to admit it -> act rough and bad boyish-> surprise! I'm a cinnamon roll for you. This is definitely NOT a korean/asian theme. Americans have been throwing this type of stuff around for ages
And you should definitely react to Japanese versions of MVs as well. And there is also single For You with MV, which is only in Japanese and don't have any Korean version.
To be honest I don't understand the issue some people have with the Boy in Luv MV. Like, it's a music video and the girl is an actor one would assume she consented to this and also if I'm watching a show and one character kills another I'm not like "damn that actor is such a horrible person" because they're an actor and they're just doing their job. If people still have a problem with it then just know the members apologized a lot, but either way it's a music video, and they are acting.
Trust me they'd never do that real life. Jin apologized to the girl many times after & IRL at a signing a few weeks ago jin accidentally hit a girl with a picture (with a frame I think) of Jimin without looking bc he was making fun of him but when it hit her hands he literally freaked out and held her hands and apologized over and over while asking if she was okay & so did Jimin while the others hit him & scolded him for it. Look it up. They'd never do this in real life. I don't agree with what the director wanted them to do but the whole point was how the girl changes them from a douche to a nice guy. Watch them off stage and you'd see that they couldn't even hurt a fly tbh
oh and about the scene there. I don't think many girl fans take it that way cause they actually want that to happen to their selves😂(not abusive way though) but like bad boy/good girl thing what u can see in dramas alot.
It's not a particularly 'abusive' treatment, though people can see it differently. It's common esp when you like korean/other asian dramas(LOL), seeing a guy slamming a girl towards locker/the edge of room and blocking her with arm. Sometimes girls act shy or try to avoid by going away so it's done to show a 'serious' side of them trying to say something private, or telling the girl to pay attention. Its not meant to intimidate or purposely abuse tho (the pushing isn't meant to be heard) and it's not a romantic kinda act either :>
I think Jin just didn't know how to pin a girl up against any wall during that time because he was still immature and maybe naive. Although I did see the behind the scenes for this and he was like all apologetic to the girl after doing the scene.
yeah, Jin was very apologetic in the behind the scenes, poor guy looked like he was gonna cry. i just want them to know that none of them are actually that bad, or that they're assholes. Jin and the rest are real sweethearts irl if you say hi
+Jasmin98 haha I 2nd this! It was amusing they were so uncomfortable. At least no girls were manhandled in the making of this video (yes i know it was acting)
When u don't know how to separate real life from a music video and end up concluding that Koreans are actually like that. You make it seem like BTS are actually aggressive. How dumb. It's acting, it's a concept and they are suppose to be bad boys none of this even fazed me first time watching it as it went with the concept they were going for. No I am not an abuser either. Like no one is gonna explain to you that a treating women like that is wrong. Cuz it is. But like acting I've seen worse and they immediately apologise and asked if she was ok straight after and she was completely fine as she knew what they were going to do. I've seen worse in MVs tbh.
I love how you are talking about this!!! I think the music video was amazing until that happened.... Even Jin and Suga didn't want this... I think they have more say in what they do in videos now...
I'll try not to repeat what everyone else has told you about the whole violent thing. But I'm sure you've read the comments and it's been explained. Please don't think badly of them because of it. You should see behind the scenes where the boys kept on apologising profusely to the girl and she was telling them it's okay. Okay, I ranted. Sorry. You should probably tell us you understand so we stop worrying 😂😭
The only thing I don't like about this video is the pushing part. I don't accept that, I don't find it cute, endearing, sexy, or whatever else. Can easily imagine how a guy would be left without his set of... well, you know. He would get kicked. (I can hardly imagine, though, Suga doing that in real life. I don't think it was his idea to begin with. I'm not even talking about Jin 'cause he and that kind of stuff are from two different worlds :D They aren't in a position - not yet - where they can make decisions about MVs. They are, indeed, awesome people.) Other than that, I love the song (musically and lyrically, I didn't find the lyrics aggressive); the choreo, the colors, the overall look. So, if I want to watch the mv for "Boy in Luv", I usually watch the dance version.
well they show us how teenagersdon't know how to explain their feelings, so it's not a good thing, but we can often see it in normal life..how guys showing their simpathy in diffeent wrong or awkward ways;)
i just wanna say, they are NOTHING like how they acted in this video. i love Boy In Luv and it's one of my favorite BTS songs, but the i agree, the MV is way too much. its my least favorite MV. if you watch the behind the scenes, you can see they were very uncomfortable doing those scenes. Jin was literally on the brink of tears and kept apologizing and apologizing to the actress when he pushed her up to the locker. Suga also apologized over and over. keep this in mind, this way way back in 2013/2014-ish, where they weren't that famous yet. the director wanted them to get more attention in the fame light. now im not saying what the MV portrayed is good because it's not, its not okay, but it's what the director wanted. the director shoulve went another way for the MV, but i guess he wanted to show that type of "bad boy, love" type of crap. the "wrist grab" is actually very common in Asian dramas. what im trying to say is that they are very respectful, nice, and kind kind boys, and nothing like in the MV. :)x
