I love green phos it's what I grew up seeing I remember eating my cereal and watching the news as a kid thinking how cool the night vision footage was here soon I'm getting a 24ua pvs14
There are certainly ways to save money when putting NV together. Thanks for subbing, Alamo Night Vision is the business channel with some other, more technical, content which will likely be updated soon. If there is anything you would like to see videos of just comment with ideas. Thanks
Even with some lower spec Photonis Tubes I cant tell the difference from that compared to my issued PVS14 that was a Gen3 tube. The only real place I see the difference is absolutely low low, almost non existent light and I can still sorta see but barely but thats almost always in an indoor setting. Outdoors I see perfectly fine because of ambient light from stars - even on no moon nights. I think I paid like 800 for the tube, GP, no blems, put it in a Nocturn Industries Tanto and havent complained since.
I ended up with Photonis Vypers in green. They have 2150 FOM/30-31SNR and gain equivalent to gen 3 vs the 4G photonis whites that is half(or less). They ended up being less than 6400 shipped. They are in a Katana housing. They are freaking sweet and I really appreciate the auto gating in my old ECHO 14 so I am glad these are the same. Saved some money, I can see in the dark and the money I would have spent is being spent on spare parts, food, water, batteries, etc.
Did you get those from Nocturnality gear?? I was eyeballing those so F***ing hard man. You are lucky to own them, they are very unique. Not going to find a bunch on the market ever
@@rileyfrench3837 I got mine from goonin gear right before Nocturnality got them in. He ended up special ordering them for me. For the price and performance its super hard to beat.
@@rileyfrench3837 I got mine from Arkayne (they are a photonis dealer). WP Echo tubes. 2600 FOM 32 SNR and 2545 FOM and 33 SNR in the Vyper housing (Same as Katanas). WAAAAAY better than my Omni 7 Gen 3 GP in urban environments by far and on par in low light.
Only bad thing about Gen 2+ tubes are they slowly degrade over the entire lifespan (meaning you only get about half of the advertised lifespan as a good image. Gen 3 doesn’t degrade until after the guaranteed lifespan. Also gen 2+ isnt as good in very low light. For most people, they will be adequate though, especially if they are significantly cheaper.
This isnt about just white phos vs green. Even comparing $4-7k "entry level" white phos units vs $12k device with premium L3 harris tubes, the law of diminishing returns still applies.
Whats a solid place to start if i want to the best bang for my buck with monocular but end up using a NVB-58 Bridge. What brand and model? Im starting to understand that SNR will always be a priority. Will be used for low-light shooting (eventually), mainly as SHTF scenario type tool.
I got your point, that WP is not that much better then GF, and comparing those two images confirms that. If we really want to compare prices of white vs green phosphor, then please compare tubes prices, not devices, because total price of device is not determined just by tubes - housing, lenses and other features are all affecting final price. Usually difference is few hundredths dollars per tube, depending on tubes specs and manufacturer. For example, photonis white phosphor tubes are 300-500$ more expensive then greens. Or are those devices identical with exception of tubes ?
It was a very generalized and non-scientific comment based on plentiful older/Omni surplus tubes and how affordable they can be compared to spending more on top of the line equipment (we own and use high end and budget units). The price to performance ratio definitely favors green surplus tubes because of this. Many vendors don’t even offer green tubes as an option anymore, hence why the used market applies when discussing white vs green pricing. That being said, you have some great points and we appreciate the discussion.
you could probably show $1500 gen2+ here and the performance would be also similar. It is just too bright to see the difference. Get 10km away from a city to let that SNR and EBI work
Looking at parts to build a pvs 14, with manual gain gen 3 green tube it would cost me roughly around 2,500$ without manual gain it would run me about 1,600$
@@lock7852 I believe the previous commenter was referring to the LLI Aeternus. Although he made it sound like the lenses came with it for $750 (which isn’t true). In the video we were showing a DTNVS & Argus 1431
tbh if you were to put in a lens in the looking side, you can make the green look less nasty on the eyes too ALso wp when it's 2k for a pvs14 generally on average, g3 wp mind you, fresh build that a good soul sells you on facebook or something
yeah all tubes look the same when you have a ton of light like in this clip, when your actually in a dark environment in the woods with zero ambient light from the moon, headlights, streetlights, or from houses is when you actually see the difference in the tubes
Which is why I own Filmless units. But not everyone can afford them, nor does everyone live in the middle of nowhere. And to be quite honest, even my high spec Filmless stuff struggles in the woods on moonless overcast nights. To your point though, tube type/quality can be the difference between needing or not needing some supplemental IR. Regardless of any of these factors, and until something changes with pricing/availability, it is my opinion that surplus green tubes have a better “price to performance ratio” than anything else.
@@motorboat3478 It’s not a test at all. You can find tests elsewhere (I recommend Nocturnality Gear’s instagram page for good video comparisons). A test would be unbiased. This video is just part of a conversation between friends, which is biased and opinionated. You can call my opinion misleading, but that would just be another opinion 😁
Some Omni 8 green tubes perform great, spend the rest of the money on a high quality laser and a couple thousand rounds and train, you’ll be better off. Unless you have allot of money then obviously buy the top spec.
@@ArmondHickey Since you brought it up, a reminder for people who didn’t bother reading the video title: The units being discussed are binocular NVDs (two tubes), which is essentially double the price of a monocular + the cost of a more expensive housing. So the prices quoted in the video might scare some people, when in fact there are some good monocular devices out there which cost far less. Those are the real budget options.
@@rileyfrench3837 hopefully if the unit is as good as advertised I can panobridge another at some point,but with the mount and extra gt 14 I would still be looking at about $4300 to 4600
My gen 3 white phosphorous PVS-14's I just got in a few weeks ago are a $3,800 unit and much better than the one featured here so you don't have to spend 12K. (And I know its hard to show the quality uploading to youtube but just letting people know its not that bad anymore).
Hopefully they are just phosphor, not phosphorus. Much better than what? Also, the prices quoted here are for binos not monoculars (the title of the video gave that away). One of which is a 24UA Filmless DTNVS, which do indeed fetch in the neighborhood of $12k. Monoculars vary greatly in price, but typically cap out at $4,500
You aren't paying 8k more for WP, you're paying 8k more because of the low light performance of the newer tube compared to that 15 year-old one. Kinda odd that you chose to compare night vision devices in a setting with plenty of light.
Relax. I’m not getting rid of my Filmless units any time soon. But any experienced NV user can appreciate the price to performance ratio of plentiful older/cheaper green phos tubes. Perfectly acceptable for those looking to spend less. Also, this is just opinionated commentary, not some scientific low light comparison video between specific tube types. You can find videos of a more serious nature elsewhere
