circuitridereffects.com/ Here is a decent comparison of 4 British flavored speakers. The all sound great, even the stock Bugera speaker. Which one do you liked best? All speakers are 8 ohm.
@@breakfastbuddy5 - Brilliant... That would be like telling Stevie Wonder to use a PIANO for clean Funk. Figure it out... After figuring out how to spell "Acoustic". ;-)
@@breakfastbuddy5 - Please tell me you're a troll... Drop one "d" from your misspelled "fedd" and trade it in for an "O" to make your "acustic" into the proper ACOUSTIC! Spoon fed?... You seem to be eating your soup with a fork. ;-)
Great demo! I have the Red Coat just edging out the Weber ever so slightly because I likes the Red Coat's crunch a little better. I have the Vintage 30 3rd & the stock last. I was surprised that I got such weak mids from the V30. Thanks, this was fun & informative.
I wouldn't personally be in a hurry to swap out the stock speaker. Maybe if I had some other speakers already I'd be inclined to swap it out for a different flavour, but the stock one sounds absolutely fine to me.
It is tough for me to say either way? I have been playing for a very long time and I can say that with a decent amp I can make cheap speakers sound great and great speakers sound like doo doo. Awesome video, I have a bugera cabinet in the mail. I took a gamble ordering it. I had two bad experiences with bugera amps before. Your video has given me some peace now knowing the v22 does hold its own with more iconic speakers. Thanks!!
Can't believe how much definition was lost on clean with the V30. To bad, because I have two in a closet. Thought I'd try one but you saved me the time. Thanks for doing a proper test.
Really good comparison - well done! I had one of these amps, but the stock speaker was always suspect. I would put a V30 and Eminence together in a separate cab and run them from the output jack. Probably get a good spread that way
Before I made any speaker swap I would play with different tubes. Plus I'd leave the speaker in a new amp for a few months to see how it breaks in. This stock speaker sounds just fine to me. I think people who swap speakers are feeling the placebo effect in many cases. They spent money for a new speaker and want to believe they hear something better. Often times it isn't.
You are dead on with both points. The stock speaker seems to be a perfect match for this amp, and it is CRAZY tight when new... Let it break in and it's really hard to beat unless you are trying to achieve something this "Vintage"22 wasn't designed for. Pre/Post break-in really is a night and day difference. I have tree of these amps and a VAST collection of high end vintage speakers. some of which are worth FAR more than the V22 itself. Side by side comparisons in the amps (not external cabinets) produced some mind blowing results. I don't use the gain channel... I run a modest pedal board for my grit. I'm a "gear tweaker" and I "wanted" to hear some miraculous improvement... Even the placebo effect wasn't enough to mask the truth. With this set-up, the broken-in stock speaker absolutely SHINES! The amp also HATES pretentious vintage tube sets... Upgrade to the Ruby-Tubes or similar quality set and you'll notice a nice improvement, but anything above that is a waste of money. No audible difference. The Bugera is a blue collar monster.
Totally disagree, speaker swamp is the major mod someone can do to an amp, each model could be night and day, specially on drive settings, and actually I found that tube swamps are the most placebo effects mods, with little to no change in the sound unless you switch to a lower gain tube or a differenttube model in the same amp, but if it the same model with different brands the different is minimal to nothing.
Nice demo, greate sound. I liked the Tonespotter on both channels. It is the most equilibrated to my ears and it seems to make the amp sound closer, but the stock speaker is nice too. Interesting to see how the V30 makes the amp sound Marshally.
Great comparison. I'm listening through Adam A7 speakers (Two grand's worth when new) and there's nothing in it. I put the Weber and Eminence neck and neck, different but glorious, the Bugera still glorious but with a tiny bit less harmonics, and the Vintage 30 OK clean but a little thin distorted. (Mind you, still a great speaker.) I'm buying a Bugera 112TS cabinet with an 80w Turbosound speaker this week for a Palmer Drei amp. It's the best buy out there.
V22 stock is a great sounding speaker. Keep life simple and just tweak the tones till you like what you hear and learning how to play a few chops never hurts either (no reference to the playing here) Switching gear components can be a lot of fun but does steal some of your practice time. I've found Behringer to be some of the best sounding and durable stuff I own and if I got it any cheaper it would be free :) thanks for the demo
stock speaker sound the best bcs he "gain stage" the amp with that speaker first. at the begining he mentioned that he dont change any setting what so ever, which in my opinion it is not fair for the new speaker. every speaker react differently and you need to set the amp (volume gain and eq) to make it sounds the best for each speaker.
Thanks Guy, I've been thinking about building my own extension cabinet to do my own speaker comparisons. I like the speaker mounts that you used. What kind are they and where can they be purchased?
I'm glad I found this. I am looking what I can do to make my v5 less muddy and more high. BEen told everything from an eq,different speaker to different bran tubes. From this video I have to say I don't notice enough difference in anything here to replce what you have in there stock
Weber Blue Dog = 10 (articulate, rich in harmonics, warm and chimey at the same time) Stock Speaker = 9 (close to the Weber) Tonespotter = 8 Celestion = 7 (too midrange/nasal for my taste) thanks for the demo
Clarence Wooten I think the stock turbosound speaker sounds really close to the webers too. Also, I have never been able to figure out why everyone likes the celestion greenbacks. They go from muddy/throaty to wasps-in-a-jar midrange heavy squawk... I cant get along with them.
@@igoold1 completely agree especially when they are fully worn in they tend to girgle and muddy the note clarity I've always been an alnico speaker fan because I like how even when overdriven the note definition is still there hence the term chime that is often associated with alnico speakers
Good video. Overall, clean or dirty, I preferred the Celestion 30. I believe in a live setting it wouldn't make much difference; the stock speakers probably would suffice. For me, the skill and passion of the player out ways the technical aspects of the sound you get. Also, the Vintage 30 speakers are fairly expensive, I have no idea what a Bugera speaker goes for.......
I had felt to need a V30, but after a while, I realized that the amp was too heavy for me to handle. So I went back to the stock speaker and I am happy with it. What I did though, I had a friend modify the circuit, so that the gain situation between the Clean and the Crunch Channel was more even and that did the best to my sound. He also gave me the modified circuit diagram.
The mic is the weak link in this test for me, but my sampling is being done through my Luna acoustic amps 4 inch speaker. good test none the least! Bravo! i use a Kustom 12 And Celestion 12 classic with v22 bugera head and the bite is much better than the bark.
i like the weber the most i jusy ordered one of these amps and probably put one of eminence's attenuated speakers in it do you know about them the maverick or the rain maker or do you think i should get a seperate attenuater thx for the demo!
Hi, The best video of speaker tests I've ever seen, thank you! It's well done and it helped me a lot. The one I prefer is the Weber "blue dog". Then... I don't really know, but lucky me that was the one I was interested in. Do you find that the result of your video is correct and objective, as if the microphone probably gives a bit of his own color to the sound? Thank's for your answer PS: sorry for my english, I'm not sure that all my words are corrects but I guess you understand me ;-) Cheers
The Weber Blue Dogs have that gorgeous AC30 chime to them. That's the one I'd pick. I suppose the most surprising is that the stock speaker doesn't completely suck compared to the others.
for cleans i like the v30 and blue alnico for dirties. The stock speaker is pretty impressive for both clean and dirty to the point that there's no need to change it.
The Weber Blue sounded the best and most versatile to me and didnt over do it in anyway. i really like it with the weber blue dog but the stock isnt bad either just not as good as the weber. next best would be the v30 celestion but it over does it a lil bit somehow. what speaker was in it when you played the U2 song and you had the pedals at the begining of that demo? it sounded great just like that.
I have a V22 with a Celestion V30 in it as well and its pretty close to this recording. Speaker shootouts don't really do anything on RU-vid but demonstrate compression at different levels. I haven't had the time to try the Celestion G12 Vintage speakers with it yet.
I really liked the sound of the Weber. The Weber and the Celestion had a bit more mid range and more tonal complexity. The stock and the red coat, while both sounded great, did not encompass as much of the "richness' there was to be had in the low middle range. Those two would cut through a mix nicely, but they may sound more thin and bitey when at a stage level volume. All of these speakers would have a place in a studio to pull slightly different tonal nuances. Great video. Thanks!
I'd be curious to know the power rating for the Weber alnico. Can be tricky to find the right rating so that it compresses just enough, I find. The V30 in this clip, I'm going to surprise myself for saying, isn't all too bad actually. A LHDC would have helped its purpose.
They all sound great. The Blue Dog wins by a hair because it sounds just a bit richer, and really takes that amp into Voxy territory with all the harmonics. To me the Vintage 30 sounds just a bit clunky in this application, and the stock speaker sounds a trifle muted. The Tonespotter is a great alternative for a slightly chunkier sound.
I dig this amp, though I just wish it had a thicker tone. It's very tinny / vox sounding. Was going to go with a Fender Bassbreaker because has a thicker tube sound, though I found the clarity and low volume capabilities weren't as good. Man I wish I could find the perfect practice amp. Does anyone know how to mod this V22 to give it a thicker crunch tone? The speaker and tube mods I've seen don't seem to do much. Thanks.
I have modded many of the smaller cheaper amps, and sometimes it is not possible to get a thick tone out of them, because the output trafo simply is to small, and a new one costs allmost as much as the amp is worth second hand.
For me, over all, I would leave the stock one in. Thanks for this comparison, because I am about to buy the amp and was wondering whether it could use a speaker upgrade. Not any more.
Guy, Now that this video has been up for two years, can you tell my what your favorite speaker was with this V22 ? I ask because when you in the room instead of listening on youtube, it's totally different to the ear. Jerry
+Guy Capuano despite all the love for them i don't like v30s that much i've heard great things from them sure, but i've better things from even stock speakers surprisingly
Nice review! Thanks for posting. Liked the v-30 'til it got dirty. Bleh. Just discovered that my Blue dog's destroy my other speakers(complex mids + bottom) in a front loaded, 3/4 inch baffle(12 deep,open). It's a good pair. I have many cabs, and thin birch baffles. Compared against Celestion 75,70,65, Weber Silver Bell, and Scumback in multiple cabs, The front loaded Blue dog is destroying them. I have a voodoo cab, or the weber wants a thick baffle/front load. Try it out.
Ahem, you have your guitar input to the "bright" jack. I have the V22 and the bright jack cuts the lower frequencies out. Sounds much better in Normal input jack.
The older V22 speakers were great! I got a new 'Infinium' version with the Turbosound speaker, was sooooo brittle and harsh even after a few months so i put a swamp thang in. Its better but still not great.
Am I the only one that can hear a high pitched ringing / whistling noise on the recorded loop? I can hear it on the distorted settings too but it was really noticeable on the clean clip.
I like the weber, stock, eminence and Celestion in that order for dirty, with clean they just seemed too close to call probably you could tell if you where there. But I am surprised as I am an absolute fan of Celestions and have them in most of my amps, maybe I need to do a rethink. I do also agree with rita04 I would have to have a good reason to replace the stock one, it sounds pretty good to me.
Have you connected an extra speaker (internal + ext cab)? Does it have more headroom?/volume? I am asking because the amp's 22watts at 4ohms, should be twice as loud with 2 8ohm speakers... Nice Demo, I think Weber blue dog sounded the best!
It wouldn't be "twice as loud". Doubling the cone area at the same input power equates to a 3 db increase. Doubling input power into the same speaker / speakers equates to a 3db increase. The ear / brain perceives about 10db as twice as loud.
The thing is that the amp is supposed to be 22 watt @ 4ohm.... The included speaker is rated 8oms... supposedly with the speaker that it comes the amp is giving half the watts (11 watts) ....if you put a 4ohm speaker then the power would be 22 watts... at least that's what I have read somewhere in the internet. Any thoughts?
Omar Muñoz The amp has selectable output impedance for 4, 8 or 16 ohms. You would want to select the impedance to match the speaker load. The power out will be remain the same no matter whether the load is 4,8 or 16 ohm. If you add an external cab in parallel, the increase would be a theoretical 3db but that assumes the additional speaker is the same impedance and efficiency (plus some other factors). Point being that if you want it louder, adding a speaker will get you a little bit more, adding more efficient speaker will do the same. You would NOT want to leave the selector switch at 8 ohms and run a 4 ohm load. Tube amps don't increase output power running into loads that are lower impedance like many solid state amps do. The output transformer isn't real happy about it either. Some amps with robust OT's will handle it OK, but they usually run less efficiently, regardless. I wouldn't be doing it with an inexpensive amp.
Thanks for the info! I don't remeber where I read that at 8 ohms it would be half the watts.... I compared de V 22 against a Blues Jr. and the blues Jr seemed louder, I thought It had to do with my bugera being at 8 ohms but I think perhaps the fender had a more efficient speaker. Cheers!
All the cleans pretty much same. None of the overdrive settings sounded ok except on the muted bass springs ( not much to compare in that aspect ) Maybe the other speakers are a special performance design for very higher power gigging type applications so they don't fail. TONE ( clean all about the same to my 65 year old ears-abused for a long time) I now own a V22 Head separate Bugera cabinet. It takes some breaking in but they are better overall than the other speakers. I use bugera 90 Watt Acoustic speakers in a Behringer Amp. Perfect for Vocal, classical and steel string acoustic guitars. I have put the Custom Webers speakers in 2 vintage amplifiers, you can request the type of DOPPING you want depending on your needs. The Weber Ferrite 8" for a 1973 Champ really opened that little amp up. Also I installed a Weber 15" into my Silvertone 1483 Amplifier, now its a tone monster. A little of range here but the Celestion Seventy 80 -16 Ohm 1x12 inches are really good speakers. They are not really a budget speaker but I have Jensens, Old AlNiCo speakers, The Amplifiers with the EL84' Sing more that the 6L6 tubes and the 6V6 tubes are more like the fender brown amps especially if there is a tube rectifier, which all of these affect sound. THE CABINET DESIGN is really important as the final factor I have put the same speaker in differnt sized cabinets and the speakers act different. AWESOME DEMO. I prefer STOCK and the Weber would be preference due to reliability with the subtle complex harmonics and the balanced low mid high freq's.
I have a v22 with the v30 from celestion and sounds a lot brighter in every distortion pedal or the stock amp distortion, the treble knob always on 0 sounds a little greater. I don't recommend v30 to distortions tone guys. A think the seventy 80 sounds best.
I have the V22, and although the review was well done in respect to "apples to apples", here's something to consider before spending the $$$ on speakers. First of all the audio is just "not there". It might be a RU-vid thing, but this amp sounds better, I would assume, with all the speakers as well as stock. We also don't know what pickups or guitar we're listening to. Next, the review was done with the guitar plugged into the "Bright" jack. Unfortunately, the circuitry in the Bugera does not brighten the signal, it sucks the lows and some of the low mid tones out of the bandwidth to make the sound 'Brighter". You lose SO much. I also wish you would have put the stock speaker in that nice pine cabinet as well. You went though so many other steps to keep things consistent. It's easy to criticize, and I'm not trying to do that. Just food for thought. I'm not the guy to comment on the stock speaker as even though it sounded fine out of the box, it was EXTREMELY tight. This thing needs to be played hard and long to break it in. Being a man of little to no patience, I tossed in a mid 1970's Celestion from a 212 cab I had, and WOW! Ear candy! If you're looking for that high end vintage tone (the "V" IS for vintage), and not a Rock monster, I would suggest not spending the $$$ on the new crap. This amp LOVES any older 12" speakers you throw at it. They're everywhere and usually priced between reasonable and cheap. I picked up a 1961 accordion extension cab w/2 30watt Jensens (Yes 30 watt,& 16ohms). Got it for $20.00. They transport you right back to the 50's /60's and that left me with an extra speaker to boot. I still keep the Celestion in for gigs (Classic Rock), but man, this amp is fun to mess with isn't it?. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JOxpJNTTPVk.html a good example of what this amp sounds like in a smaller room. The same guy also has a video using a LesPaul and a hollow body for reference. Funny how you can post video in High Def on RU-vid but it's really tough trying to get anything to sound decent.
I'm going to correct myself, and my previous comment when it comes to the stock Bugera speaker... I spent the past year breaking the stock Bugera speaker in on other equipment I Have. I also bought a second V22 (yes I liked mine THAT much) as a backup to my first one on gigs. I installed the broken in stock speaker in the new amp and compared it side by side with my vintage (1970's) Celestion equipped v22... Damn! What a difference in the little Bugera speaker after being broke in. This thing came "choked" from the factory, but now... Dare I say it?... Sounds as good as the G12! If I haven't pissed off the "purists" yet, maybe this will work... The Bugera actually sounds BETTER on the clean channel! I don't think the "Bugs" would handle a closed back cabinet as well as the British Icons, but they seem to be the perfect match for this amplifier design and that's what counts, isn't it?. For what it's worth, the Celestion sounds a bit darker, and a WHOLE lot less complex than the broken in stock speaker on cleans, and mild overdriven blues. It may sound better to some on the really heavy stuff, but that's not what this amp was made for, so why bother debating it? Bugera makes lots of high gain amps and cabs... This is not one of them. I love having two of these things. It lets me change things up and hear them with my own ears side by side w/no time delay between changeovers. We have some pretty serious vintage amps in the studio, yet even my other guitarist is now using my second Bugera for rehearsals. It makes me laugh to see and hear these things at work. I always bring the new Bugera as a backup to my first one on gigs... We'll see which amp he plugs into on our next job!
common logic , the stock speaker seems to be a Jensen mod 12/70 with bugera sticker..., really great speaker, no need to upgrade except if one wants another "colored" sound..., the stock speaker is neutral, clear with good définition...
Hello, I would really value your opinion if at all possible please? I have taken one of the 12 inch (JA3066 - in super condition) speakers from my old 70's/80's Yamaha G100 212ll amp and connected it to my new Hughes and Kettner Deluxe 20 amplifier (20/5/1Watt) and it sounds great. However, do you think I would fair better to invest in an new speaker such as a Blue Dog or a Alnico Blue? 10 or 12 inch? I like playing clean and also Hi Gain. Thank You
That bright input made me cringe at the beginning of the video. I never use that input it sucks all the tone out of the signal. For some reason it took quite a while to get the stock v22 speaker to break in, once it was finally good and broken in it sounded really good. I have an older vintage 30 speaker that really complements the overdrive channel but the stock speaker complements the clean channel to my ears.
@@BretAmes - For some reason I don't seem to be getting notifications on this thread... Sorry for the late reply, but I couldn't have said much of value anyway. The only H&K I've ever played was a MONSTER of a head with /dual 4x12 cabs back in the days of some fill-in jobs for a hair-band, and it was borrowed from the band's main guitarist. A FAR different animal than what I'm used to, and not even close to what you are playing. I know the Deluxe 20 is a great little amp and would love to try one, but I'm not going to guess what it likes or pretend to know how it would accept any other speakers. It's been a year and I hope you've found the match that makes you smile every time the HK lights up. The speakers you listed are all reputable go-to models, but you said it yourself... The Yamaha "Sounds Great" and that's all we really ask for, right?. Is it possible you've answered your own question? ;-)
Stock speaker is pretty good. The G12 was perhaps the weakest, in that it sounded the least articulate. I preferred the Weber Blue Dog because of the detail.
I think the stock speaker was best overall.. None of them were bad. The Weber sounded a little dull in this vid, but I know I like them from other vids. (I think I prefer a Weber Blue Dog, with a bit more treble on the amp, to a Celestion V-30 with a little less treble from the amp.. - if that makes any sense..) I also think a high wattage CERAMIC Blue Dog would sound good here. Want to test that one? ;)
I've owned one for years and been considering a speaker swap for a long time. Alnico Blue has some great cleans but under impressive for dirty. The stock sounds best for both. Vintage 30 is third (but shabby imo) and Tonespotter kinda sucks tbh.
The alnico blue dog wins in my book nothing beats an alnico speaker especially when overdriven ceramic speakers tend to girgle when pushed particularly when they are worn in
I'm an eminence lover BUT the TONE SPOTTER was a little heavy handed and muddy to me. Overall for best in show I liked both the Vintage 30 AND the Blue Dog best. for CLEANS I agree the Bugera stock speaker definitely hung in there with the rest BUT as soon as you went to dirty it was very noisy. for JUST Dirty I liked the vintage 30 best. Had the closest to that Marshall sound BUT with 30 watts you're limited. For example, I have a beautiful Crate Palomino V32 that would definitely blow out the vintage 30...
ok i´m not the only one. e.g. "bob comenta" feel exactly like me. maybe i should add the words "to me" in my previous comment to legalise it ;) because at least things like that are a question of taste and not of what the others feel :) anyways, in a different box e.g. 4x12 cab the sound would be complitely different. same with a different mic and amp. so in the end its senseless to discuss about speakers. its just my personal taste on that specific clip with that closedback(?) box, amp and mic
That vintage 30 doesn’t sound very good in that combo, personally I’d go NEO creamback in that v22 . The eminence speaker however really seemed to agree with your setup.
There's some fairly pronounced harmonic overtones that the other speakers intensify... I find the Weber Alnico has the best all around sound.. If it were a replacement... But, honestly... the original speaker is better matched to the Bugera. I'm surprised by that because... I have never cared for Bugera amps... Sound and build quality are substandard in my opinion.
