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Building Shalai and Hallar... in cEDH! 

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Just how powerful can we make a Shalai and Hallar deck, with half of your combos in the Command Zone?
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@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
Don't miss the March of the Machine precon upgrade guides, collected here: ru-vid.com/group/PL1_c4oVUUob86n6n_Za9sd0M9vQr7NvuA
@noahelstein6479
@noahelstein6479 Год назад
you could also use war elemental in place of red terror in the red terror shallia and hallar combo
@dsp2287
@dsp2287 Год назад
May be a bit of a necropost, but there's some other combo pieces that went overlooked. War elemental. It's restrictive, but a red source doing damage is easy enough to attain. I like zhur-taa druid, doubles as a mana dork and damage dealer. Phyrexian devourer is a 1 card combo with Shalai and Hallar. You can run Cleric Class in place of heliod. I run both in mine, as cleric class tends to get a lot less attention than heliod, but its the same amount of mana to do the same effect.
@jamesnightingale5448
@jamesnightingale5448 11 месяцев назад
Awesome includes
@BradofEarthChannel2
@BradofEarthChannel2 11 месяцев назад
With cleric class tho don’t you need a way to give shalai and halar lifelink? Seems clunky.
@GhostAssassinTopshot
@GhostAssassinTopshot Год назад
Forgotten Ancient is good as well if you have a lot of people casting then having forgotten to move its counters to another creature triggers your commander to deal damage at one person who might be a threat in the game early on
@DelayedLaunch
@DelayedLaunch Год назад
Love this! I’ve been looking for a deck for Red Terror, and I just pulled Shalai and Hallar yesterday. This should be fun!
@keving.4650
@keving.4650 Год назад
I have The Red Terror in another deck, but since I do not own Heliod, Sun Crowned, I put Cleric Class in. Out of the box, first cuts were cards specific to Planechase, along with the two partner commanders. In their place went Scurry Oak, Herd Baloth, Soul Warden, Ivy Lane Denizen, and Cleric Class. As long as I can trigger life gain or green creatures entering play, I can win.
@brianco
@brianco Год назад
nice list i would recommend changing autumn veil and nature's claim for a lightning bolt and maybe rending volley to remove enemy dranith just incase you face one. the list only has 1 swords to plowshares to answer problematic creatures. keep up the nice content.
@brianco
@brianco Год назад
also war elemental can be the third card you can tutor for with signal the clan. heliod, war elemental and red terror anyone can win the game for u.
@acutefailure1
@acutefailure1 Год назад
I don't know if someone already said this, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a budget way to go infinite is is with ageless entity. Get lifelink on Shalai and Hallar, gain life, trigger ageless entity, get counters, and keep spiraling.
@Maw_thuugn
@Maw_thuugn Год назад
This is the one I want.
@lorchenakumnarth6456
@lorchenakumnarth6456 Год назад
Chris! I am so glad you published this video today because I've been working on my list since Saturday night, where I came back from a cEDH tournament, where the meta was very Najeela, Blue Farm, Rog/Si heavy (as expected). Which made me want to lean a bit towards stax. I didn't compete, but was rather there as an observer. I had hoped to see some new spice but no luck. Glad a Magda took it though. Either way! I am glad you are leaning more towards stax, because I know there are some people who are leaning more towards turbo-ing out a combo. Which is fair but in these colors, I think using stax is a great advantage one shouldn't shy away from. My questions is this though, how much do I want to hurt my own self with my own stax pieces. I currently run 3 Null Rod effects, and run a very small number of artifacts in the deck. Have Ballista in a maybe board section because I can hurt it myself. Emiel and Dockside (a combo I didn't notice in your list btw-it is a direct wincon as Emiel puts a +1/+1 counter on the blinked creature so Shalai and Hallar sees and kills your opponents with it) is also a combo hurt by our on stax pieces. I am leaning heavy on Red Terror, All Will Be One, and Heliod. Specifically Heliod. There are also a few creatures caring about lifegain and +1/+1 synergy based on lifegain, like Trelassara. I know it is very niche and difficult to pull of but is harder to interact with. I am also testing out Spirit of the Labyrinth, with all the midrange decks out there. Rest in Peace as well, against Breach decks. www.moxfield.com/decks/euMomkrlNEGkzM8bwDTZmA Would love to hear your takes.
@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
Yes, there are a few combo layers that can be added in like I mentioned in the video - I'm considering the Emiel/Dockside line though it's not a "straight line" combo and is more one that can happen by accident rather than on purpose. Not as streamlined as the 1.5 card combos, which should be the game-ending focus IMO.
@lorchenakumnarth6456
@lorchenakumnarth6456 Год назад
@@CommanderMechanic Hmm, not sure if I get the comparison you are making. More so puzzled by "straight line" concept". I guess with the Red Terror and AWBO, all you need to do is deal damage rather than activate an ability, like in the case of Emiel and Heliod. Also, with Emiel, you need Dockside to be making enough treasures. What are your thoughts on stax density in the deck? Additionally, potentially testing out cards that could be considered "bad cards" otherwise? Lastly, will you be testing this deck out in an upcoming video here or there? Would be very interested to see how it performs.
@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
Straight Line Combos are "path of least resistance" - requiring the least cards and the easiest to put together. 2 cards + commander is harder to do than 1 card + commander, making it more likely you'll make a "straight line" for the one-card combo than a multiple card combo. You may catch me playing this on stream soon yes!
@cocoachrispies
@cocoachrispies Год назад
I really like how your version is able to lean more heavily into Torpor Orb and Null Rod type effects. That's a really awesome angle to stax. Most Naya Stax list I see require creature ETB combos, so they always end up cut from my lists. I am curious to see how Deflecting Swat feels in Shalai & Hallar decks specifically since the commander MV is kinda high and not able to be brought in early with the insanely fast artifact mana. Can't even run the budget option of Bolt Bend since there's nothing to reliably turn it on.
@OGTotesMaGoats
@OGTotesMaGoats 2 месяца назад
Eldrazi smash! 🎉
@MrUnreal9111
@MrUnreal9111 Год назад
I wish they were able to ping creatures too. would make for far less boring commander.
@addie30mg62
@addie30mg62 Год назад
I would take out most of the rocks and replace them with dorks. That way you can keep your mana while shutting everyone else's down.
@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
The rocks still represent magnitudes faster mana generation even if you only get to use them once. Removing them does mean being able to run Stoney Silence as well tho
@chaosmedia8095
@chaosmedia8095 Год назад
also check out war elemental for redundancy
@ThaddeusMike
@ThaddeusMike Год назад
Thoughts on War Elemental? It's not as good as Heliod or Terror but it does combo with S&H. I personally go a staxier version than what you have here, but the general idea is the same.
@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
the RRR is often harder to achieve than anything else. I don't mind it for redundancy but it may be uncastable in some situations.
@AlbertJanVaartjes
@AlbertJanVaartjes Год назад
@@CommanderMechanic But it'll be easier to get onto the field with the Pod or Eldritch Evolution, requiring only a 2 CMC creature, right? And what do you think about Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer? Too slow for cEDH? It is a tutor on a body, though, so it avoids Fierce and Force :)
@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
Pod and Evo are B-tier tutors, but are tutors nonetheless. Including a piece that plays better with our backup than our main plan dilutes the deck's focus. Rocco COULD be fine; paying 7 mana to get your combo piece into play at sorcery speed is, I'm sure, OK at some levels of play at some tables.
@ThaddeusMike
@ThaddeusMike Год назад
@@CommanderMechanic Thanks! I'm excited for this deck and enjoy seeing what people are doing with it. Really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on it.
@kuroshinko427
@kuroshinko427 Год назад
Eh. You'll be wasting a Bolt to the face just to enable War Elemental when you could've Bolted a better target such as a Seedborn Muse or a Drannith Magistrate.
@ANitschkeProduction
@ANitschkeProduction Год назад
I was thinking Exoskeleton. Able to poison a player with high life or a defensive borde.
@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
I think if you're going high synergy rather than infinite combos it's definitely a good include.
@matrodma
@matrodma Месяц назад
I have about 6 different combos in this deck
@newtpondskipper
@newtpondskipper Год назад
If only there wasn't any filthy green mana involved it would fit so well in my Zabaz deck.
@darkraisprodigy3696
@darkraisprodigy3696 Год назад
Red Terror is around $30 now
@TheJabberWockyy
@TheJabberWockyy Год назад
Mono green omnath
@mwilke07
@mwilke07 Год назад
Easily replaces Marath and puts it in mid A-tier.
@ubertotedoldi7925
@ubertotedoldi7925 24 дня назад
What would you put in rank S? I'm looking for the most solid and fast combo deck
@mwilke07
@mwilke07 24 дня назад
@@ubertotedoldi7925 Rocco is by far the fastest Naya deck. The only one I'd say is S-tier/CEDH.
@ubertotedoldi7925
@ubertotedoldi7925 24 дня назад
@@mwilke07 okay thanks! but in general? Not only Naya.
@stefanschilling7073
@stefanschilling7073 Год назад
To be honest, there is not much left of the PreCon beside "Shalai and Hallar" and with more than 5.500€ nearly every EDH-Deck is a winner deck.
@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
this is not a precon upgrade. this is a cEDH deck tech. If you want the precon upgrade you can check this out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B0inUi0bJyk.html
@jaytea5682
@jaytea5682 Год назад
5 grand on tcgplayer if you buy the deck list lol....
@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
that's because it's got true duals lol
@jaytea5682
@jaytea5682 Год назад
I see, once I saw 5 grand I was like nope. However, I can go in and make some adjustments to a lot of the high-priced Manas and go from there. We shall see. Lol
@Smithfamilyfitnessprogress
@Smithfamilyfitnessprogress 2 месяца назад
This is slow I only have 2 4 mana drops my deck is super polished
@Smithfamilyfitnessprogress
@Smithfamilyfitnessprogress 2 месяца назад
If you want I can send you my decklist
@TheJabberWockyy
@TheJabberWockyy Год назад
$5000 gtfo lmao 🤣 😂
@CommanderMechanic
@CommanderMechanic Год назад
that's CEDH for you 🤷‍♂️
@TheJabberWockyy
@TheJabberWockyy Год назад
@@CommanderMechanic lol if someone wants to win that bad they deserve it.
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