okay you build huge nice sets, why you dont make it look so good on the screen... camera or something is a weak link, i like the show but something is off
Installation is bad. apparently done in a hurry. Either the picture is artistic, or the frames are with high frequency and clarity. These shots were not processed to look like an artistic picture, they were simply taken from the set and pasted. Why the editing is so bad, I don't understand. I heard that the first episode was supposed to be 1.5 hours long. As a result, cut down to 50 minutes. Maybe that's why such a rush to assemble and glue. many frames and scenes simply disappeared from the series. It would be nice to see the director's cut.
@@ryamano According to IMDB, Outlander used an Arri camera for filming. Idk if this cheap look are all about camera but season 2 of the witcher switches to arri camera and it looked much better than season 1
Robert Jordan called out this “adaptation” back in 1990. “You just don’t tell them as well as Thom,” Rand cut him off hastily, and Perrin hopped in. “You keep adding in things, trying to make it better and they never do.” “And you get it all mixed up too”, Rand added. “Best leave it to Thom.” -Eye of the World, 1990
It was not a horrible show, but the show suffered from bad (and odd) choices for changing the story and from subpar writing at times. Possibly also because the director had to work with 8 episodes instead of 10. I hope Amazon will provide the episodes necessary to make this series go from OK to great. We need more air time, higher quality writing and editing, and choices that make sense and actually improve the story on screen. Instead of taking away from it. I still have hope, even though I was disappointed with the season we got, especially after a "meh" season finale. It pains me to see so much potential wasted. It could have been so much better! Hopefully, the next seasons will improve. Fingers crossed, though I must admit that I've lost most of my excitement and interest for the TV-series in general. And that makes me quite sad.
While I do agree with most of what you said, I'm still just very stoked it got picked up and put on the big screen with such a massive budget. Objectively not a very good show, just decent. Subjectively I'm still over the moon and cant wait to see further seasons!
While I agree completely, you have to give them a break, they had to rewrite the entirety of the last two episodes because Mat's actor bailed on the project and the pandemic made it impossible to return to most of the previous sets that weren't built in Prague, and many of the Trolloc stuntmen weren't available for the same reason. That said, the editing, pacing and CGI was atrocious, and I still don't get what they're trying to do with Loial and Nynaeve's "deaths", I'm a new reader (just read TEOTW) but it's heavily implied that the one power cannot bring people back from death.
@@alastorcorvus They changed the lore. Too many fake deaths. It's a fan fiction, not an adaptation anymore. Rafe imagining that it's all good and butterflies.
I think I hope to see a director's cut for season 1. I heard that the first episode was 1.5 hours long. Maybe Amazon will hear us and show the full version before season 2. It would be fair to the fans. And yes, the setup is bad. LOR changes are criminal))
I’m willing to give them a bit of a pass on the writing and editing this season since they had to write around Barney leaving and Covid Shutdown. I’m still looking forward to season 2.
@@dassadec I won’t disagree with that but I thought that given everything that the production went through I was generally okay with most of the episodes.
I really wish we would have gotten the longer pilot and 10 episodes like Rafe wanted. It would have done a world of good for the show. Can’t wait for season 2 though!
The amount of episodes makes no difference. Good writers could make 8 work. Rafe will just use the extra 2 episodes for more pointless filler and more modern politics being spliced into every scene. The show is a mess and will be canceled before S4.
I disagree that good writing would have made it work in just 8 episodes. There is a minimum amount of tome necessary to develop a story, a new world and the characters. Ditching e.g. the Stepin stuff and bit of Tar Valon shenanigans wouldn't have freed up enough time for the Five. Without the whole "Who is the Dragon?" thing it would have been easier, because then it isn't so bad to underdevelop some of the others, but then well... you still have underdeveloped others.
Seeing the effort and love that the designers, builders, and actors poured into this show makes me truly sad. To go to this much effort with the visual elements only to phone in the script writing and lose the heart of Robert Jordan's life's work seems such a shame.
This wasn't an adaptation of an amazing series, rather the anihilation of an amazing series. Short of being touched by the Dark One, I don't think it could have been tainted and corrupted more, 👏👏👏, well done.
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@@OgiveTinker ahh yes the hivmind crowd where critical opinion must not exist. If you like show fine, but if your a fan of source material your allowed to be critical of show.
@@OgiveTinker The best way for fans to communicate their dissatisfaction with a show is to openly talk about it. It’s the people who seem to love the show that get so ultra-defensive that they have to put down those - and yes, there are a lot of us, just go check IMDb - who are being blunt and honest about the show’s many (many, many, many) faults.
The COVID break and Mats actor leaving didn't help things. I loved it too. Some pacing issues, and middling scripts aside it's looking fantastic for season 2-10
@@dassadec there are many ways they could have handled Barney's departure and kept the story on the right track. Instead they assassinated Matt's character and turned him evil (even if its a fake out and he's not evil - they made all his friends and even moraine turn on him.) They couldn't have ruined him worse if they'd tried. Matt is like the most beloved character from the books. The lovable scamp who grows into a true hero. I really can't understand how the writers thought this was a good idea.
@Day I really don't get why they wanted to add Nynaeve to the DR mystery. They obviously couldn't de-age her to make her fit with the time line of the prophecy and had to change her bg story. If they didn't they could have just have explained her tracking skills with her father teaching her (though that skill also gets dropped after the first book). Instead she got a random "tell" that doesn't mean anything at all.
@Day I love the cast so much, i enjoy all the bts stuff, and honestly they are the only reason why i'd be sad if the show got cancelled right now. For as much as i tried to stay positive until ep 7, they have taken so many weird decisions that i fear will only lead to more problems going on. I really really hope they get back on track in season 2, though they have already filmed half the episodes....
Agreed, man! The one thing that it’s patently clear is how little Rage or his writers actually care about being true to the books, the plot, and yes, even some of the characters (those they don’t like, of course).
@Day echo chambers benefit noone. Plus I'm allowed to state my opinion on his opinion especially when no matter what the discussion is were talking about WoT and even if I'm arguing I get to talk about WoT
Looks like that stupid anti-wot reddit found these videos. Still celebrating your pathetic little subreddit being 0.1% the size of the wotshow fandom? Most people love this show, you guys are the loud, ignorant, minority.
Rafe Judkins ‘building the World of the Wheel of Time?’ 😫 That’s genuinely funny, considering in Season 1 he was doing his darnedest to absolutely destroy it and trample all over Jordan’s story and legacy.
@@ronbamberg ?????? Were you trying to cut me down just there? Just for having a different and legitimate opinion? That speaks volumes more about you, my friend. Maybe grow up a little?
You keep missing the point. Good sets, props and nice VFX (yours were not that good actually - episode 7/8) don't tell a story. You need to tell a story. Good props can compliment a good story, but they can't make it. Who cares how many villages were made if there nothing behind it? You got Brandon Sanderson there. One of the best fantasy authors today. Use him! He would never write and episode 8 like that...Actually the whole season needs more Sanderson there, but 8 was a real disaster! Hands down for the Polish crew they are amazing! Real Craftsmanship, incredible work!
Amen! Horrendous writing, cheap VFX, AND writers who more interested with their own ideas and agendas vs. remaining true to the books and Mr. Jordan. Hubris!
@@dassadec All of them, the overarching theme is that you need balance, between the sexes, between light and dark, for the world to work right. They instantly undercut this by omitting most of the good male characters and benevolent male power structures.
My question: How much more expensive is building these sets than using green screen? Could that budget be more beneficial used elsewhere? Does real sets affect acting that much?
@@dassadec 3D CGI assets like buildings and landscapes can be reused easily and personally I've never really been bothered by inanimate environment CGI. I only get annoyed by bad character or creature CGI which definitely occurs with the trollacs at times. So my question is if that budget could be used to improve those other aspects instead. In my mind it would be a worthy tradeoff if possible.
@Day I hope that COVID was the reason. I haven't heard that verified so if you can point me to info that would be swell. I was mainly referring to CGI sets vs building complete and detailed sets. I think realistic CGI sets are much easier to pull off than living creatures. That's why I was wondering if using more CGI for sets would allow them to allocate more time/resources to improving the visuals that didn't look as good. But if COVID was the reason then ignore what I said.
Not ancient technology but actual "magic" with a male and female half (saidin and saidar) that only some of the corresponding gender can access but in the current timeline of the show/books only females can access saidar (female half) safely as the male half has been corrupted by the dark lord leading any male that channels the male half (saidin) to eventually go insane, and yes that includes our new dragon reborn Rand. I'm not real great at explaining things but I hope this helps.
@@camma12 Thanks for explaining it after that flashback in episode 8 I was actually thinking magic was some kinda remnant of human technology, but it’s good to know that it’s actually magic not some wacky sci-fi thing.
There are theories that since there are ages where the use of the one power isn't known (like ours) there may have been some technological breakthrough in physics and maybe gene therapy discovering and then using this force. It's magic but at the same time in the world of the Wheel of Time the magic is very real and part of the world physics so it has very clear ways in which it functions. So potentially the end of the age we are currently in would be signified by the discovery of the one power and that is the start of the Age of Legends, which in turn leads into the third age where the main story takes place. In a way the one power is magic, but in another sense it's too tangible to be.
This is a terrible showrunner. Please replace it. Budgets are allocated for unimportant parts that have minimal screen time, but really important things are done carelessly. Lots of plot holes and lack of logic in the narration and action of the characters. You can make a great TV show out of this story. Don't let it ruin it completely.
Installation is bad. apparently done in a hurry. Either the picture is artistic, or the frames are with high frequency and clarity. These shots were not processed to look like an artistic picture, they were simply taken from the set and pasted. Why the editing is so bad, I don't understand. I heard that the first episode was supposed to be 1.5 hours long. As a result, cut down to 50 minutes. Maybe that's why such a rush to assemble and glue. many frames and scenes simply disappeared from the series. It would be nice to see the director's cut.
Congrats on attempting to "build" the world, but the story and characters you have built only occasionally crosses the path of the source material you claim to love. Spending your budget on the background while transforming (not adapting) the story in the foreground into your political exposition piece will only push more fans away as time goes on.
@@charlottestewart1672 When someone complains about "wokeness", what they mean is that that hate it when people other than white men do things. You'd think they'd have been shut up by all their predictions about the dragon reborn being a woman on the show being proven wrong, but nope, they're still here whining about everything.
@@shumwaysays7770 I ordered the entire series today! Can't wait to start. Hearing how there were changes makes me more excited to check it out. This is going to be the longest series I've ever read.
@@dassadec I really enjoyed the show. I just had to see what the series was like. Brandon Sanderson got me into fantasy again. Hearing that Brandon finished the wheel of time after robert jordan passed away was another thing that got me intrigued to check it out.
Sets and costumes are my favorite parts in film and TV, to me they help bring the story to life. The Wheel of Time are in my top 5 of all time for those. Can't wait for more in Season 2!
This isn't just a bad adaptation, it's a bad show. Made the girls mary sues, the writing was suspect and the plot just meanders along until one of the worst episodes of TV I've seen in a while, the finale. Who running and directing this show? Legend of the seeker was better than this.
That's more than enough budget, what are you talking about? Other studios won't even spend 30% of what Amazon spent for this show. I think they were too extravagant on this show, basically flexed their riches.
@@dassadec Agreed. I'm very happy with the representation they had on the show and they pulled off amazing performances especially the actresses for Nynaeve and Siuan.
Season 1 of WoT is better than anything GoT ever put out. Ignore the complainers here, they'll never be satisfied because they were determined to hate the show the moment it was announced.
I can't watch this crap. If you can't make the story Robert Jordan wrote, write your own. It's absurd, I'm so glad to be back in the Wheel of Time world but Perrin was irrevocably broken in the first episode. I hope someone will come along before to long and do the story right. This aint it🙄
oh no! we have seen thatched houses before! Better change it to something 'new'! What a silly reason to change the aesthetics of the village. This show seems to suffer heavily from this sort of mentality.
Enjoying the show overall as a long time book reader. Giving them more time and money would only help since obviously people are watching! Please give Rafe 10 episode seasons and more time for editing!!! 🙏
how can you enjoy this as a book reader when they changed everything? This is not the wheel of time, this is fanfiction inspired by the wheel of time - seriously, they literally stole Rands accomplishment and gave it to 5 women, Turned Lews Therin into an arrogant idiot, and continually break their own narrative. Case in point - Morraine kept telling them that if anyone but the dragon goes to the Eye, they will die - She also does not know which of them is the DR, yet takes Rand's word when he says its him, and then tells Rand in the blight that she has no idea what to expect at the eye because darkfriends stole or destroyed all the knowledge from Tar Valon - so how does she know any but the dragon would die if they went there?
So, very disappointed with this series. Not a fan of this fan fiction adaptation. I truly wanted this to be good. You can wrap crap up on glorious bunting and bows, but it is still crap. Save the hours of viewing this garbage and read the books instead
So much work and yet toxic people complaine for silly reasons. Wish they would have got a CW adaptation, so they could cry for good reason (all my respect for the work over CW)
To be clear - I didn't care about the casting, nor did I expect a 1 - 1 adaptation, I expected the characters to be true to what Jordan wrote. What was the point of fridging Perrins wife and making him such a complete idiot if he loved Egwene and having a pointless triangle and friction between Him and Rand? Why did they not explore Elyas and Perrins wolf brother arc, but include a vomit inducing story arc regarding Steppin? Why did they omit the warnings the Aiel gave the Ogiers and Tinkers regarding the eye, and change it to Siuan having a "dream" - They had Loial to tell the tale to Morraine, and Perrin and Egwene were with the Tinkers to relay that tale, and then the Boys could tell morraine about their dreams - giving 3 independent sources of the threat to the eye? Why go through the trouble of Thom telling Matt that Aiel are no threat unveiled, and then have Tigraine disregard a fundemental aspect of Ji'e'toh and forget to veil while doing superhero moves and poses while in labor killing 5 men? Why have Morraine continually tell everyone that they would die if they went to the Eye if they were not the Dragon, has no idea which IS the dragon, believe Rand when he says it's him, and then tell Rand in the blight she has no idea what to expect at the eye because darkfriends removed or destroyed all the knowledge? Did she lie? if so, that means the oath rod is pointless. If she didn't lie, that means she is a darkfriend because she has the knowledge. Why did they give Rands great moment to 5 women? Why did those 5 women let all the male soldiers die? Why did they change Lord Agelmar from being one of the 5 great captains, who fully supported the Aes Sedai and the white tower, into an arrogant idiot? How can 5 women, most not trained, and none an Aes Sedai, be so powerful to destroy an entire Trolloc horde, yet 7 fully trained Aes Sedai with their warders lose to about 50 warriors trying free Logain? Why did they omit elyas and Perrins wolf brother arc, but include and take an episode and half to tell Steppins fanfiction arc? Why did they take a very brief aspect of New Spring, and give it significant screen time, and portray Morraine and Siuan as lifelong lovers? And it is the ONLY New Spring reference. Why make every single male character either ignorant, arrogant, stupid, incapable of problem solving, or just downright misogynistic, To include two male protagonists fighting over egwenes cooch, one of whom should be mourning their fridged wife? Their episode 1 cold opening makes everything the fault of men, instead of the women, who refused to aid Lews Therin? They were losing the war of power, badly, and the Women's plan was impossible to accomplish as the Ter 'angreal was in the darkspawns and Forsakens hands? Why are the trying so hard to avoid that the one power is binary? That particular fact is why this conflict exists in the first place. And these are but a few logical inconsistencies in the show.
