Bullet placement on game animals ~ The Best way to bag your game! 

Every year a different rifle in the collection has to earn its keep. This year it is my SIG 716(.308WIN/180gr Nosler AccuBond on top of 39.5 grs of IMR-4895). Both my eldest Son and myself filled our Elk "B" tags(cows only) two days ago, 26 Oct. Per usual, one round through the lungs(@75 yards from my shop man door) is all it took. She took maybe 2 steps, about 10', crumpled dead, and rolled down the hill on my place 25 yards from the 3 giant triple-fold ship block & tackles on cable trolleys where we hang and process our game. I'm spoiled(read blessed) and I for sure know it! I've harvested more elk than I can count and every elk shot through the lungs never traveled further than 25 yards from where it was shot. Your video is absolutely "right on target". We in the "gun culture" are indebted to your for generously sharing all your vast knowledge & experience, and we THANK YOU immensely. If ever you travel to SW Montana I'd be honored to be your host. Back straps & home brews, homemade ice cream copiously sprinkled with wild huckleberries awaits your presence. Of course, Benny and the Mrs. are welcome too! Again, THANK YOU!! Now to fill those "A" tags...

There’s a few generation of fatherless hunters looking to learn how to be respectful about this art. And I sir, am grateful for your kind demonstrations. Thank you

You are the only person on RU-vid that can sit in a lawn chair, talk for 48 minutes with the appearance of a distinguished statesman and maintain my complete attention the whole time. With high respect, I thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom with the rest of us sir.

Very informative, I really like how it just feels like we’re hanging out and you’re giving me advice

This video should be nominated for RU-vid video of the year. Great stuff.

As a paramedic of 27 years I can tell you that what this gentleman just explained regarding lungs and vacuum in the thorax is 100% fact. Well done sir. The deadliest shootings I have treated have been sucking chest wounds. That of course is not taking into account gunshot wounds to the head or major arteries those patients usually are gone before we can even get there.

Thanks for these videos. Things my father never got a chance to tell me.

My father always said the 250 Savage was his favorite deer rifle. Adequate without overkill. Alot less spoiled meat. I always felt 1800-2300 ft/sec was adequate down field. 303 and 30-30 did just fine on deer size animals out to 200 yards and they start at 2300ish at the muzzle. I actually just had this conversation earlier today. Thank you for your time. You are an amazing resource. Awesome video!

I soak up all information from every decent source I can. I watch Hickock and Paul Harrell, and learn a lot. But Gunblue is the real deal practical information. Proud to be from the same state, and I recognize so much of his wisdom having hunted New Hampshire for years. Thank you Gunblue.

You have provided reasonable explanations for the long held debate over whether complete penetration vs leaving a bullet still inside an animals chest........many years of hunting experience tells me your correct......this is a SUPERB video ! Keep up the good work

Kirby vacuum hose is the perfect model for a deers nervous system. Never would have thought of that one. Genius!

This is the life I want when I retire from the job. You sir have got it figured out.

I REALLY enjoy and gain so much from what you have to say! Thank you for putting the time and effort in these videos! Blessings to you and your family!!

Your videos should be used as a masterclass for RU-vidr wannabees. Single camera angle, no long into or goofy graphics, and mostly importantly clear narration with no-nonsense information. This approach makes it very easy to listen to what you are saying and learn from it. I'm not saying all videos should necessarily be like this, but there are a lot that I'd never make it through 10 min let alone 48 for this. I have enjoyed several of your videos so far and look forward to more of them. Thank you.

I haven't smoked since 1988. Quit cold turkey after 28 yrs. Seeing you try to get that cigar to co-operate reminded me of my pipe smoking days when I was constantly have to keep lighting them up. I tell people I knew I was done smoking when I took a loaded rifle into the woods without any smokes and came out alive. Anyway thanks again for your time and efforts they are always informative and appreciated. Good luck to you and Benny I bet he will have just as much or more fun than you.

I found your channel after watching one of your videos on the 30-06 round. I am 34 years old and recognize the VAST treasure trove of information available to my generation, if we are willing to listen. Thank you for taking the time to share what you've learned. Subscribed so fast.

HI, I never had a problem with my Sako .270 with 130 gr Nosler partition on Sambar deer in Australia! No meat damage, drop on the spot! Never past 100 yards, I like stalking and placing my shot! Thanks for all your videos i must have seen a hundred or more! Subjects I would never consider! Thanks man!

Sir I’ll keep this short- your videos are quite simply the very best gun associated videos on RU-vid. My sincerest gratitude and respect to you. I have learned so much from your videos. Keep up the great work.

I just love your approach to common sense hunting! Explanations are words of wisdom from a wise man. Thanks for the videos. I love them.

I can watch his videos all day. The wealth of knowledge is amazing.

I discovered your channel recently. It wasn't this video exactly that did it. But a combination of them saved me about 700 bucks. I definitely appreciate it.

Ethics, ethics, ethics! I so appreciate your video on this. It doesn't just apply to shots and clean kills. There are general ethics that apply across the spectrum. Respect property, other hunters. Don't skybust on waterfowl etc. We've inherited a precious right to hunt in this free nation. Respect it. Respect the laws. Respect the game God has given us.

Glad to see another hunting video! I've watched at LOT of "hunting" videos over the last five years but I'm convinced that this one should be included in every hunter education program. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard the term "And THIS shot from my (fill in the blank) magnum "anchored" the deer, boar, feral hog, elk, you name it..." I would have a much larger retirement fund to dip into from time to time than I do today. And don't get me started on how on the money you were when you brought up Police duty ammo.....And people wonder why, in some very high profile cases, the suspect was shot fifteen times....And he STILL lived while innocent parties down range did not.....Keep up the great work!

Sir . You are the very best to listen to . I feel right at home here . Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge .

21:53 Spot on once again, my friend had to use his buck tag on a crippled buck that had most of it's jaw blown off by a missed placed shot to the brain. From what I gather it was malnourished and sickly looking and I respect my friend for putting that creature out of it's misery that another ignorant and inept hunter placed that buck into. This meant less meat for his family and of course wasn't provided with another buck tag either. Humble yourself and take the most humane and forgiving target on the body of the game. The animal deserves no less, if you cannot do that stay out of the woods.

One of the best hunting advise videos ever!!! Fantastic knowledge, thank you for sharing!

Your wonderful for sharing your knowledge with us. I'm planning a guided pheasant hunting with my 22 year old daughter. I was just going to take her out myself but I thought it would be nice for her to see and shoot game her first time out. She asked for a shotgun for Christmas 2 years ago and Santa delivered. I've had her out trap shooting and she's gotten pretty good with her 870. Nice to hear you come up to Canada for some of your hunts. Thanks again. I wish you well and stay safe.

How nice to hear some common sense, no shouting, how great I am video. Thank you for your time and effort from the Staffordshire Moorlands here in the UK.

I've listened to multiples of your videos. It helped me decide that my first bolt gun will be a 308. win. No nonsense, and your caliber rounds. Very informative.

Gosh dog it... Coors beer, Benny the Brittany, and a great explanation of what shot placement actually is and why creating a through and through wound is preferred. Beginning hunters should take notes and watch this video a couple of times, every word is gold! Thanks for the video, glad to see you and Benny are doing well! Just listened to this post again and picked up a gem about bullet types, " Stay in the norm, aka Stay in your lane!" When I worked as a Parole and Probation Officer, my judge always advised everyone to stay in their lane... Nice to hear that phrase again!

praise the Lord a new video!! your a fine gentleman and fabulous teacher. love Benny too

This is the most wholesome channel. God bless you Gunblue 490.

I have shot Nosler Partitions since the mid 70s. In addition, I've been using X bullets since the early 90s. I've taken everything from Kudu to Elk to Coues whitetail with them with consistent performance. On long range shots or in deep woods without tracking snow, the blood trail full penetration provides always aids in locating game. High velocity is not needed to kill the game, I agree, but it certainly aids in long range shooting. On a few occasions I've been hunting animals like Coues whitetail and bounced them out of beds at midday and shot them at under 50 yards. The stout construction of these bullets also serves in these circumstances in staying together and not exploding on the near shoulder as some of the ELD bullets would. Thank you for your clear headed and valuable videos. I wish you much success.

Love sitting down with you and I appreciate you not trying to sell me something. Thanks for keeping it simple and sharing your vast knowledge. If I lived closer I’d stop by for a cold one !

I was born in 1961 and killed my first deer when I was in 5th grade and many, many more since then. This video should be required viewing for EVERY hunter going into the field this fall. This man knows exactly what he is talking about. He should be placed right up with O'Connor, Keith, Wooters and Jordan. Thank you again Sir, for the education and the refresher.

Your videos are always a blessing to watch and learn from. Thank you and please post more.

Thank you for taking on the neck and head shot issue. You did a good job explaining why this is unethical. I wish all hunters could see this video.

Finally someone who disagrees with the word shot placement. I had to smile. Shot placement is important but what the bullet does is what counts. The shooter,gun and scope makes no contact with the game animal. Bullet selection should be of the highest priority. As usual, another excellent video.

Very appreciative of all the wisdom you provide.

I started loading the federal Trophy Bonded Tip in my .308. So far every shot has been a complete pass through. Every deer I shot ran, but as you stated, I had a great blood trail and recovered every one. The bullet I recovered was a pass through. It went through one pig and killed another pig behind it. I still have the bullet. Thanks for your videos.

Thank you Sir .Your knowledge and presentation are truly appreciated .

Some early season's in southern states require so many point's or fork's on one side or such an such inside spread before taking a buck deer. That's totally rule's out head shot's as well. Thanks for your knowledge , Sir!

I would like to refer you to Dr Kevin Robertsons’ “the perfect shot”. What a superb analysis of bullet placement , anatomy and killing power penetration etc. . .

Excellent video chock full of so much knowledge! Well done, Sir!!

MAN, am I glad RU-vid finally introduced me to you! Would love to shake your hand one day.

Great advice! All hunters need to know this!

Good vid as love your statement about shot placement as in real life easier said than done...Good info as always...Good stuff...

Thank you for being so outspoken about ethical hunting practices. The story of the Quebec moose hunter angers me to no end. We can all hunt effectively and ethically if we choose to.

Benny... What a handsome beast !! Love to hear more about the bird hunts and maybe some front stuffers? Nothing like the roar and smell of black powder when the leaves begin to change. Good info and a fine looking tractor!!!

Once again you hit the mark on this video. You covered all the bases and covered them well. I hunt moose and caribou in Alaska, where I live and subsist for over 60 years. I've come to the same conclusions as you over the years. I have taken a few moose with neck shots because that was all I could see sticking out of the brush but I did loose one moose doing that so never again. I tracked that moose over a mile and as you said I never owned that moose. I felt awful about it. I appreciate your video's and always look forward to the next one. God Bless you.

took my first blacktail on the 10th with a .243 federal cartridge. 1/4 sized hole through and through,did it's job I'd say.

Legend is back..thanx

Sir, your channel is amazing. Thank you for these videos.

A Great Video. IMO, one of your best. May God Bless you for sharing your vast knowledge of firearms, projectiles and humanely harvesting the critters God has given us. I only wish you were my Nephew's next door Neighbor and you both were best friends. I can only teach him so much, but you can teach him so much more. My Nephew is an avid hunter and firearm enthusiast.

Thank You Sir for Your Wonderful Videos, Please keep them Coming. I had the Unfortunate Sucking chest wound happen to me one night when I brought my fists to a knife fight in 1980. I survived and That was the Reason I Purchased My First Handgun, a Colt Python Lightly used in Excellent condition.

I'm always learning from you. Thank you.

The gelatinous meat you speak of is called "subcutaneous emphysema". As you explained, it is caused by significant blunt trauma which forces air from the chest cavity into the surrounding chest tissues. Pressing on affected tissues feels like bubble wrap. Love hanging out with you. As usual, I learned a great deal. Although I probably will never use the information, I am an intellectually curious person who loves to learn new things and you are an excellent teacher who not only gives information but backs it up with compelling arguments.

Not sure why this was recommended to me. I suppose the information here is sound. Overall, great video. I watched til the end and left a thumbs up. My hunting projectiles weigh 490 grains and travel at a mere 280 fps. Shoot through whitetail out to 30 yards no problem.

Awesome videos as always and apparently I learned we have a mutual friend as I was sharing your break in video and how much I truly appreciate your video series. I'll be in contact for next servicing and purchases when needed!

Benny is a very good looking dog.Thanks for the video.

Wonderful video same rules I have always used whether the projectile was a nosler portion of a 600 gr cedar shaft

Love that Brittany you own. Best gun dogs. Enjoy your videos =ALL!

This man is correct about double lung collapse. I have learned this through many seasons of archery hunting for whitetail. Collapse both lungs and the deer will expire within 30 yards.

I agree with you sir 100%. And I know who to pass this onto. Thanks

Sir, regarding shock factor. Keith Warren hit a nilgai antelope in Texas at approximately 100-yards from a blind with a 50 BMG. The nilgai spun and took off running. I'm just bolstering your point. If a 50 BMG doesn't drop it, don't plan on a .270 Winchester knockin' your elk down. Yes, guys miss and shock the spinal cord sometimes and an animal will drop straightaway especially, if the spinal cord is transected. Great VDO - Thanks.

As an RN, I enjoyed your discussion on anatomy / physiology.

I leaned a few things. Thank you.

3030 is better at ranges less than 150 yards for exactly the reasons you brought up. More meat is still useable. Beyondc150-200 is where the 308 shines, but i still like the 30-06 & 270 at 200+. Most people cant effectively hit past 300-350 so shots past that are foolish for most people.

G'day from Australia! I'm new to hunting. Still wrangling a gun licence from our nanny state overlords... I have nomally decided to buy a 308 due to it's effective hunting pedigree. A local talked up the 270, shoots flatter. I have listened to your discussion regarding calibres and note that 270 and 308 make your list. I want to hunt deer and pigs. Longer range shots, on open fields. So here is the question; what is the maximum ethical range of the 270 vrs the 308. (some of our feral pigs are darn big). I've seen lots of videos showing guys hitting targets at extreme range, but have my concerns. Your advice would be welcome.

Very interrsting and well presented as always! Thanks!

I don’t often laugh out loud at videos , but sir you may not know it but you’re quite funny . Talking about taking a deer to a family store to be tagged that’s shot in the head was pretty funny , and when you called Benny over as a model also very funny

I do some bow hunting and your statement in reference to heart shots is dead on. blew out the heart on a white tale with a broad head and that dear ran farther than any ive recovered.(I have had a blood trail dry up. I looked over 2 days and never found that deer, no buzzards or anything dont know what happened.) The deer in question took 2-3 hours to find. he'd ran almost a mile away and obviously not in a strait line so id guess about 1.5 miles. i couldnt believe it when i got him cleaned. I would have bet any amount of money the dear was gut shot if i hadnt witnessed it myself.

Last year my sister got her moose license and asked me to be the second rifle on the license. I own a 7mm-08 and had some Federal 140 grain partitions that probably would have been fine. But I also had 100 old style Grand Slam 160 grain bullets. So I worked up a load that averaged 2585 fps and shot moa for three shots. I lucked into that load on me second powder and the 3rd load. I ended up bagging a nice cow moose at about 50 yards broadside. One shot and it was found about 50 yards from where it was shot. Not a very good shot but it went through a rib going in, took out a lung and liver and lodged in a rib on the far side. This year I was invited by my cousin to be the second rifle on his moose license. This year was a more difficult shot. 200 meters quartering towards me. I had a good rest and there was no wind. I was in a clear cut near standing trees. I took a second or two to decide where to aim to hopefully take out a lung and avoid the gut. I fired and heard the solid thump when it hit and moose went down immediately, tried to get up and collapsed before I could shoot again. The bullet took out one lung and destroyed the liver avoiding the stomach. Again it was a nice cow moose. Too bad they don't make those bullets anymore, but then I still have 20 rounds left and will keep them exclusively for moose.

Glad to see a new video sir

Only just found your channel. What a wonderful discovery. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Hello Mr GunBlue, thank you for another wonderful video.

I always place my shoots in the "engine room". I never take a shoot to the front of the game or from extreme angels front or back. I rather wait for that ideal 90 ish degree shot. Gives me less trouble and ruins little meat.

I got to say your right on the money with everything our saying. Your such a valuable source of info and alot of the stuff you talk about is directly relatable to so much of the hunting i do. Here in Australia there are a ton of deer to hunt. Some of the species are as big as elk. I shot a large sambar deer once with as Howa 1500 .308 at about 40 yards with a 165gr Nosler Partition behind a 44gr charge of AR2208 (varget) and it absolutely rocked him. He made it about 30 yards down a really big cliff 😣. Was a hell of a job to drag a 500 lb deer out of the prickle bushes he decided to die in down a cliff. But one thing i noticed when butchering him was yhat about a 10 inch piece of the backstrap had blood filled bubbles coming out of it. I assumed this was from the hydraulic shock of such a close range shot with a very capable premium bullet. Its sucked to loose that much of the best cut but sambar are a seriously tough and cunning deer. So i was just glad it didnt get to far and was down quickly.

I think that the best way to describe what kills game are exsanguination (blood loss), central nervous system disruption or hypoxia (loss of oxygen due to lung damage). So I agree with you that the mechanism that causes that, i.e. energy, bullet placement is a half assed explanation.

Like listening to a grandpa I wish I had...thank you so much for your knowledge.

Thanks GunBlue, I've watched several of your clips and you have kept me on track through all the BS and marketing hype. I'm new to hunting and through out this season, I've often wondered about bullet placement with regards to terrain. I hunt in very rugged dense areas on the BC coast. And I have often thought about utilizing a quartering shot through the shoulder. But my instructor had stressed, through out the corse, the importance of an accurate shot through the vitals and thanks to you, I know why. This year I got my first Blacktail buck with the very shot you have been talking about and he expired 13 meters from the point of impact. I took him with a 308 Win from 19 meters, using a 150 grain American Whitetail Interlock. Upon skinning, there wasn't a lot of meat damage but he bled between the outer muscle layer and the rib cage over a large area and up into the shoulder. I'm guessing this was a byproduct of close range hunting. So, I'd like to know if you have ever considered reloading the 308 with a reduced hunting load? And I would also like to add that ,I have no desire to change calibers or own more than one big game rifle. Thanks and God Bless.

Coors Banquet !......a man after my own heart !.........Good points all btw. Many don't consider much of this

It truly is amazing how a deer will run when shot through the heart; and how distinctly the path to the harvest is marked.

Great vid, thank you for taking the time to make it and share your knowledge, much appreciated.

I remember when Coors didn’t distribute their beer east of the Mississippi. My dad was born near Wheeling West Virginia. Our friends had him bring a few cases when we visited. They loved it.

Great info as usual😀 I appreciate a real voice of reason and logic. All the FAD info is usually pure garbage. So, having someone to dispel the myths is really awsome.

Yet another of your heirloom quality videos. I wish there were some way to thank you. If you'd post some mailing address, PO Box etc., I'd gladly send you some fine home brews & elk steaks or some better commercial beers. My big sister lives in NH. Good as it may be when hand-strikingly ice cold, I know for sure you can get better beers than Coors. Of course I'd send a little something for your buddy Benny too.

I have bow hunted for 30 years, and this upcoming season will by my first time going afield with a rifle. Archery will certainly make you become hyper aware of shoot placement and penetration. Shoot for the lungs it’s a much larger target, won’t wastes any meat and better yet.... ethical. I was in the Marines, and he’s spot on with the sucking chest wound, the animal is toast. Having an entrance hole and exit hole are paramount if for some reason the animal runs. This here feller is my kind of guy.... I would take his word over all these fancy pants trust fund tv personalities we see today.

I’m a new subscriber, and absolutely love your videos. I’m in the market for a new deer rifle with an effective range of 3 to 500 yards.The two calibers I’ve been looking at is the 270 Winchester and the 7MM 08. Do you have a preference of one over the other? Or neither? I sure appreciate the experience you bring to the table.

I had a pneumothorax expereince where I had a lung collapse spontaneously. I can tell you it was painful, and when they cut between my ribs to shove a tube in the cavity, to get the air out, and let my lung recover and gain air again, there was a pressure difference, and it was unpleasant and strange. Could be the vacuum feeling you speak of.

Great knowledge from a well spoken gentleman!

Hello and thank you again for another very informative video. I totally agree with your talk on ethical bullet placement. I’ve never shot a beautiful big creature like a deer before, but if I had the need to, I certainly wouldn’t want that animal to suffer anymore than necessary, or to create excessive meat damage either. Ideally I would want that animal to drop dead on the spot. I certainly love eating deer meat, and also know it’s very healthy as well. As you talked of unethical shot placement, I could almost feel the pain of the animal as you were so descriptively explaining. I hope that other hunters will practice careful shot placement ethical kills even more so after watching this video. Once again your video was chocked full of very important information. Keep up the great work and thank you for producing top shelf educational material. God bless you sir.

Sorry this is off the subject, but do you like the 300 savage round? I'm thinking of buying a Rem 760 in 300 Savage, but I don't know much about the round...except for a little bit of knowledge on its muzzle velocity. I guess I'm wondering how popular it is and if it will have legs to stay in the market

Question, I appreciate and value your knowledge. I use a .308 win. Do you recommend 150 or 180 grain? I generally use the larger 180, I tend to just fall in "bigger is better". Occasionally I'll pull out my old 1913 Kar98 8mm, 196 grain. Heck my EDC is a 1911.

Subbed, shared, thanks for making these videos and sharing your very practical knowledge with us.

There is a lot to be said for center of mass, regarding bullet placement and it's a good plan for coyote size animals. For deer and elk, a heart/lung shot is a very high percentage. A facing animal, and unsure of the range aiming either between the eyes allows for dropping into the chest cavity

I could watch your videos for hours!!! Thanks for all the information you put out to us. GUNBLUE for president 2020:)

I started watching not long ago. Wealth of information. I would like to see a video of your barn and workshop set ups please

I have to disagree about through and through vs. the anchoring effect you mention. Again, I'll use the .44 magnum failing to stop people as much as 9mm parabellum and 40 S&W (13% of the time). When a handgun bullet goes through and through, depending on how much energy it has, a lot of it is wasted. You might say that the .44 Magnum did as much as a 9mm or .40 S&W even if it wasted half its energy (because it had so much to begin with), but two things come to mind. One, that's a lot of recoil to deal with when it is not going to stop anyone any better than a 9mm. Second, we have to explain .357 SIG/mag because, statistically, they incapacitate as well as a centerfire rifle (both failing about 9% of the time). That may not sound like a big difference between 13% or 14% (.45 ACP) and 9%, but two more things come to mind. 3-4% is arguably statistically relevant, and two, the .44 Magnum is starting out with considerably more energy than .357 SIG/Mag yet the latter stops people better. This also translates to rifles in my opinion because we're dealing with bigger animals and longer distances, so if we're trying to make sure there is enough penetration we probably don't want too much either for the same reason. Of course, the difference in rifles is theoretical on my part. I don't have data to back that up like I do handgun cartridges. As a police officer, that may have been what you and others were after (preventing endangering others), but I've heard from a lot of police officers the exact opposite (that there has never been a problem with over penetrating handgun bullets taking out civilians). I think the mushrooming effect is about two things, 1) putting on the breaks to allow as much energy to dissipate and due damage, and two, the extra surface area helps push tissue and fluid with more force. When we see bullets like the Lehigh Defense/Underwood XD, there is no expansion, but the same effect is occurring with the hydrostatic effect.

Here in Ohio, we have long been limited to shotguns or pistols for white tail. Recently they opened it up to straight wall rifle cartridges, but I find it hard to justify the expense of a change. I have been used a rifled barrel shotgun, with most shots being in the 80-100 yard range and one at 160 yards (of which I am eternally proud). I tested a large number of slugs, many of which were absolutely BRUTAL to shoot, but decided upon the 12-ga Hornady SST, which is a sabot type, the actual bullet being .50 cal., 300 grain, ballistic tip (Flex Tip they call it) expanding bullet (.200 BC) and it leaves the muzzle at a bit over 2000 FPS. I selected it initially because it was, by far, the most accurate of those I tested and had the least drop at 100 yards. No flyers, either. The bullet was so much lighter than many of the others, however, that I worried about the kill. Well, a half dozen white tail later, I am no longer worried. What I see, in my limited experience (compared to yours) is in variance to some of what you said here and I'd appreciate your comments and your expansion of the subject matter a little. I have no doubt about the efficacy of the lung shots and believe what you said about the "thru-and-thru," but the SSTs have NEVER penetrated the opposite side of the animals I have shot. When I do my work right, I have never had an animal take more than two or three steps and two of them simply dropped where they stood. One went about 100 feet (more heart than lung but a little of both) and one really bad shot by me left the animal to run about a quarter mile (and I paid my penance dragging him back!). On the field dress of a well placed lung shot, the chest cavity is essentially full of goo that was once lung tissue. Most often, all I find are small bits of the bullet, but once I found the base embedded in the opposite rib cage. Your comments appreciated and I eagerly await the time when you address in detail hunting with rifled shotguns.