Bursting into Flames Immediately After Takeoff from Los Angeles | With Real Audio 

Agreed!

You develop an ear for it pretty quickly when that's your chosen profession!

It’s easier with that headset

I used to liken understanding certain ATC speak to trying to read a doctors handwriting. Although I should also say that as comm's equipment has got better, the transmissions are so much easier to understand - and I don't just mean the aircraft to atc chatter, i mean the scanners and recording devices as well.

@@seanlonergan7489 there's a few professionals that still need a bit of work tho. Such as - and i will hazard a guess you know what's coming! - certain Air China pilots/crews. God bless them. Im certain they have incredible pilots but they do get a bit of grief online. Have you watched any of their videos on RU-vid? Hope you're good man.

4 teachers who got doused in kerosene are suing the shit out of Delta. I hope they win a lot!

@@michaelscott5653 OMG WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?

Old friend of my dad was welding near Deer Valley airport in Phoenix back in the 90s. A plane dumped fuel on him. What you would expect to happen did happen.

@@AlphanumericCharacters wait did he catch fire?

@@the_fabulous_p14 yes. Burned to death

Nothing cool about smoking

@@AlphanumericCharacters Jet fuel is not very flammable/combustible. You can light a match and put it out in jet fuel.

"hey guys look at my lighter"

I'll be thinking money and lawsuit

LOL

@@jessicawashington5832 Yeah, THAT'S what is needed -- ANOTHER lawsuit. The ambulance chasers will make a ton of money and the people who were dumped on will get eno0ugh to buy the kids some new clothes.

By the time the kids go to tell the teacher the jet fuel has already evaporated then the poor kids get in trouble for making up stories

I had no idea that this happened. They pretty much flew over my house dumping fuel but I guess I wasn't outside for the free kerosene shower.

@@bugdrvr they were over 5000 feet at one point so it didn't matter but below that was where the problem happened

Please prosecute...

You can land overweight. Depending how much the landing weight was and the type of touchdown, it could be a simple inspection.

Oh, when planes do land overweight, they tend to overheat their brakes. They taxi off the active and set their brakes which causes the wheels to over heat, that cause a fuse to melt and that causes flat tires. And when the airplane looses more than one tire per axil, you have to get a special Rhino jack which is hard to find. And you are working on a taxiway to change all those flat tires, and you may not have enough wheels in stock and you have to go borrow wheels from other carriers. Yep, been there.

Got scared after initial wrong decision and then dumped on final approach. Could have even comunucated desire to dump and delayed appoach and dumped correctly. At least they didnt have a failure landing full of fuel

Isn't there a checklist for fuel dumping from a 777?

I'm surprised they didn't ask for vectors over the ocean for a safe dump

Me too! Me too! It makes me BOOMER MAD!!! Grrrr!!! SAD!

😆😆Ring place,Rong time😆

omg I laughed so hard 🤣🤣🤣

Saves money on charcoal lighter fluid, bout the same consistency anyhoo😜

You need no oil for barbecue so it's perfect ;)

You are funny

Exactly, they were impatient, which a lot of you guys like to do that. Shut number 2 down, go into a pattern over the ocean, and make an upwind final, no need for a downwind landing. What is it, another 20 minutes. A triple 7 should have no problems on 1 engine and they'll move around whoever to get you into rotation when you're ready. A lot of poor decisions. I only have a PPL w/ IFR btw

Exactly!!

If you were a pilot, you wouldn’t be armchair quarterbacking another pilots choices when you weren’t there and only know what you saw on RU-vid. So sit down and stfu and stick to video games

If it isn't an emergency to not have a reliable engine what is an emergency? The pilots first responsibilities are the lives of the passengers. If my flight lost an engine the situation could get worse. I just want the passengers on the ground safely as soon as possible before something else breaks.

@@jcraigshelton why are you so upset? I wasn’t there but there is plenty of facts on this. They dumped fuel without advising ATC and even telling them they didn’t need to dump fuel. So they dumped fuel at a very low altitude causing injuries. If they felt the need to dump fuel, that’s understandable, however not advising ATC and then dump fuel on schools is a poor decision made by the PIC.

@70 A.D. plenty

@70 A.D. no worse than everclear

Dave Wth

A one time exposure while unpleasant, doesn't have a long lasting physical or neurological effects. Nonetheless, the pilots should have been more mindful especially if it wasn't an absolute emergency. My reasoning for their dump over population would be that they didn't want to take a chance of going out over water, just in case it became a sudden emergency.

@@BillAnt yeah .. that doesn't excuse what they did .. hope company find and pilots lost licensing!

What really gets me though is all of these conspiracy theorists who think that this was intentional, and that planes are making chemtrails on purpose for mind control. I always find it hilarious when these people who know nothing about aviation start spouting their theories. also which airport were you ATC for? Just curious.

Hack Fabrication I’m not ATC, but have been talking to y’all for over 50 years. I am a multi engine instrument rated commercial pilot with several ratings and an A&P., Air Forced trained beginning in 1968. I too think something else was happening and caused the urgency to step up a few notches on top of the engine shut down. It took 10 days to get the aircraft back in service. An engine change can be done in one day. An FAA report I read said they found metal in the back of the engine so I’m pretty sure it was changed. The tone in the voice of who ever was talking to ATC, I figure it was mostly the copilot, changed after the engine shut down. I have not been able to find a final report on the FAA’s or the NTSB’s web site. The report I did read was from 3 days after the event and said they would take a few weeks to complete the investigation. That report was a response to three congresswomen from CA who wrote a letter asking a lot of questions.

​@@billmorris2613 They shutdown the right engine altogether rofl. I don't know about you and I'm not a pilot but I dont wanna be circling around the ocean to dump fuel with just one engine.

Jes Chr I am a commercial pilot for over 50 years and would not want to stay airborne on one engine in a twin engine aircraft any longer than absolutely necessary. When I was in the Air Force we were required to land ASAP if we had to shut down an engine when state side. The requirement was different in a combat zone.

@@jeschr3462 Thanks goodness you aren't a pilot and you clearly don't watch aviation disasters regularly b/c all commercial jets are designed to fly on a single engine and all commercial pilots are supposed to be trained to fly on 1 engine.

@nono4564 Accidental?

Huh huh huh damn it pilot. 😂😂😂

@@RusskiPancake ....it’s a joke

@@peytonw5870 look at what I said earlier

@@RusskiPancake ?? it was sarcasm which makes it a joke

Just cancer and other injuries

They were being selfish.

They did the proper thing with the major failure, but it is a head scratcher with the continued fuel dump below 5K and over populated area! I just don't know all facts to make a judgement!

​@@ChancetheCanine the procedure was correct but the actions in how they did it were completely idiotic.. the controller asked multiple times if they were going to dump fuel, they said absolutely nothing. the flight was also over water before this all started, the controller could of vectored them to dump fuel safely over the ocean at 8k ft and kept them closer to the airport if there were any major issues that forced them to land sooner.

A true pilot is one who can fly while plane is in distress. This pilot seemed to just want to get on the ground with necessities an after thought.

@jetsfan2351 One can be trained and trained but when the SHTF all sense of calm goes out the window and "arms flail and oh my God what should I do" reaction takes over.

Yeah

Yeah. Much better.

At least it is less important than having a plane skidding of a runway endangering hundreds of lives and costing thousands of dollars of damage (although it is still better to dump fuel over uninhabited areas)

Come on people... we all know well if YOU were on that flight, you wouldn’t give a crap what was done in order to get the plane back down safely... a few dozen people splashed with avgas is better than a plane crash! 🤯😤

@@thomass1620 That still doesn't justify what pilots did wtf.. They had been ASKED to dump the fuel while still on top of ocean multiple times but they ignored that option, the pilots are experienced which is why what they did here is unacceptable because not even amateur pilots would do something like this.. Good pilots also respect the ground under them!! Unless they are in situation while it's out of their control, which is not in this case..

cue spooky scooby doo music lol

Omg no 😭🤚 bye-

ZOINKS!

Jinkies!

LMAO!

@Slomofogo Oh sweet I just had avocado toast for breakfast I also had no idea these pilots did this.

@Mike Kabakov They had plenty of opportunity to dump the fuel away from populated areas, and deliberately chose not to. They then hid their actions from ATC. Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

So what? they didn't die!

They did and got away with it.

The instrument panel should display checklists for certain situations. If you hit the fuel dump button, it should ask you are you above 5000ft, yes/no? Can you see school children below, yes/no?

😂🤣😂🤣

Then the poor kids get in trouble for smelling like they have been trying to light a cigarette

No one actually said that, so that is a fake quote. Must be the fashion nowadays to make quotes up.

@@dtz1000 that there, was sarcasm my dude

@@dtz1000 r/whoosh

get rekt smokers

lol

And you go kaboom

@@thisaccounthasbeensuspended actually good news, jet fuel doesn’t ignite on contact with a flame

Lol

Agreed. Those airliners are designed to fly on one engine within a safe envelope. Very poor piloting.

300 peoples lives or an uncomfortable feeling that is temporary?

Not nice, but better than risking immolation of passengers.

WUVS! No lives or unnecessary risk to people on the ground? The B777 can fly for hours on one engine. Check it’s E-TOPS. The pilots did a whole lot of wrong here, it’s a standard emergency.

Kerosene

exactly and no more.

he was scared that the other engine fail so he did that ...its stupid thing but he justify himself that he landed the plane safely at least saving his live

If I was ATC, I would be thinking "so, you just left here like 5 minutes ago in a huge plane with enough fuel to go to freaking CHINA, and now you want to land back here and you don't want to dump fuel?? Uh... riiiight. WTF?"

@@Cultural_Supremacist he probably think the same but atc cant refuse pilot land request specially in emergency if do he probably will charged with manslahter if the plane crashed ... the pilots hold full responsability of their decisions even if they like to crash land on the runway

@@Cultural_Supremacist Planes can land overweight. Requires an inspection. But that isn't a huge issue when maintenance have to change an engine anyway.

Agreed. Or at least be at 5000 feet or above so it vaporizes.

when u are an environmentalist and a pilot

Yeah, I've learned awhile ago never will I ask "what next!" when something happens!

Vlade PFC obviously because they aren’t nearly flying as much

@@ohbitxc9793 oh true that

Nice going pilots

Media is too busy overrating covid to cover this story apparently

Actually, all of his videos aren't even renders. They are actually recreated on a flight simulator called X-Plane 11, which not only shows how powerful computers are these days but also how well he recreates them with great detail.

@@imanavgeekdontjudge5714 when I saw no hands on the controls in the cockpit I knew it was some kind of simulation. But I love the clarity.

Hope for the best

Yeah, it's one of those moments that got lost in the haze of 2020.

Agreed

Oh look a cheap high from the sky!! xD

lol lol, that is funny

@@donkeykong6919 What a sight that would have been.

I agree. This channel is amazing and very well produced. I too love that they caption it instead of narrate it. It kind of keeps the respect for any victims of these incidents and guarantees the content is produced with respect, taste, and class. While also being riveting and educational. Big kudos to the people behind this channel! 👏

I do the same thing

Same. Binge watch.

help i can't stop

These videos are addictive. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Hehehe 😝

💀💀💀💀

Fr LOL

@R.C. Collins k

Mom: That's KEROSENE. You're obviously not paying attention in your chemistry class!!

The jury may still be out on that. We don’t know the effects on the kids right now. Let’s hope years from now they dont come down with lung cancer 😔

An engine stall is hardly a reason for fatalities. They happen regularly !!

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@@rosstaylor786 what has 9/11 got to do with it Ross

I’ll hold you to that within 60 years

The crew should have subsequently lined up against a wall and been hosed down by jet fuel by affected citizens, and also fired from their jobs and have had to pay the medical bills of those affected

Would it be better to ask how many corpses are on board? Lol

me too!

Same!

I said the same thing while watching!

How nany gamblers on board

if they did that today, i'd probably catch fire with all of the wildfires going on... burn LA down...

You're right, they should'nt have dumped fuel and possibly crashed on landing ?

It's better than killing school kids along with on board lives.

@@robmcmullan5732 They could have easily dumped fuel over the ocean or at a much higher altitude, there was absolutely no chance of it crashing if they did that as the left engine was perfectly fine.

Another pilots wannabe who knows all

I mean the engine did spit some flames but still clickbait in my opinion

Clickbait 😁

Maybe they were doused in fuel by a Delta plane.

Can you say "click bait"?

@@donmoore7785 I just did

The answer is "presumably"? Wow Tom, thanks for this "fact". lol

It’s no different now. Every business in the world cuts corners because they are relying on humans to do things right every time. While unlikely that a major airline would direct that corners be cut, some of the people that do the work will always cut corners for a myriad of reasons. The tech is tired, lazy, disgruntled, incompetent, incorrectly trained, not feeling well, thinks they know a better way, doesn’t have the exact part needed, and on and on with reasons why. It happens every day in every industry, and the only reason most of these screw ups don’t result in catastrophes is because most industries are not working on life and death issues, and when they are it usually requires a series of events to come together to result in a disaster, not just one singular cause.

Yes

@@artyjaycayairlines no

The audio is the actual audio from the flight.

@@sandrabaker5930 lolz he meant the plane chatter, engine, explosion etc.

Didn't escape my notice that the plane was headed for CHINA. Wonder how many of the people on that flight - who eventually continued on to China on another plane - brought back COVID.

@@lisalu910 🙄 You really still believe???

@@kellyanneree3252 Yep, I KNOW

😄

i agree, random screaming passenger sounds would really spice these up a notch

I think they forgot they were dumping.

OMG!!! Finally, someone who realizes the full details and holds those pilots responsible!!! Don't forget, ATC double- (or triple-) checked with the pilots about dumping fuel over the ocean. Pilots should've said yes AND told ATC.

@@swanlove2002 I believe so, but, how much of an issue is it to try to save as much of the fuel as possible?

@@thomasrebotier1741 I believe it lessens the possibility of the plane exploding during an emergency landing.

@@rebeccawright9599 Just the opposite, the more fuel onboard the worse the explosion. And the heavier the landing, which is why they dumped it eventually. Obviously the pilots put the company's finance over security; I'd just like to know how much was at stake

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@@rosstaylor786 That is also pretty good

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@@chomas8784 The flight crew should lose their licenses.

hisxmark no they shouldn’t.

Should FIRE ALL CREWMEN ON BOARD!!!

@@polishhollywood co pilot was wrong too because he should have told the pilot to not drop the fuel over the city

@texxtrek No. It's not "disrespectful" to remind the pilot of proper procedures while he's violating them. It's never disrespectful to make redundant safety checks. It's exactly what the co-pilot is supposed to do. If they had this conversation over the ocean and decided to dump fuel over the city anyway, they both need to be fired.

Jet fuel can't melt California forests

Yes it would be better to crash the plane into a school huh?

@@donraptor6156 I don't understand your point. There was no danger of crashing. That plane will fly on one engine all day. They could have dumped at over 5000 feet over the water and affected no one. Instead, they chose to break rules and SOP and drop fuel on children.

Alan Peterson haha exactly

Would you feel different if your family was on board?

Depraved indifference

Not one American citizen hit

Having flown into LAX several times, that brown cloud layer between 3000 & 15000 ft is your first clue how disgusting the place is and nobody gives a shit about pollution.

loool true

Martin Sloan. You're correct. L.A. and ALL of California is a garbage dump anyway.

During a compressor stall there are several "bursts" of flame. The more important issue is the injuries to those on the ground because of the stupidity of the pilots. "Clickbait BS?" Pleeeease...

@@preciousnic1974 Does the engine burst into flames? That's like saying a backfiring car burst into flames.

@@preciousnic1974 There was no engine fire.

@@larryp6671 lol ! yup

@@preciousnic1974 The plane doesn't 'burst into flames' and the engine doesn't 'burst into flames' either... it is akin to backfiring. It isn't as dangerous as it seems. Also, the plane could operate on 1 engine, albeit at a lower altitude and lower maximum speed. Granted, at the start of the journey, it is unwise to undergo the journey with 1 engine... They should've tried a few things to problem solve.

fjm1061 true.

That's what I thought. Stressed and tunnel visioned as opposed to intentionally cavalier attitude.

@@catherineolivia1 Honestly I would have kept dumping over land UNTIL 5000 ft (it's still safe because it evaporates), then stop. The plane still could have made a successful landing in my opinion.

He got the plane down safely. What if he lost the other engine for the same reason? The idea that he had all day is an assumption.

I think both pilots were dumbasses. Esp how the co pilot was talking to controllers...

What do you mean?! It’s not even close to click bait!

@@VLG105 Not really. The engine really got into flames not like the thumbnail, but still it got into flammes. And the bursting is correct. He just didn’t specify what burst into flammes.

Yeah. I was expecting something like the Blue Panaroma flight 1504.

@@crashbandicoot4everr he already did a vid in Blue Panorama flight 1504 I think. It was a B767 right?

@@qisenwang370 Yes he did. He always does great re-creations but his titles are sometimes click-baity.

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lie in the neva explain please, but with actual english words please

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The airplane is designed to run in one working engine over an ocean and be able to get to land. What happened when it does that and is over a fire. Going to be one hell of a firebomb and the potential to kill more people on the ground then in the air. Most pilots would rather stay over the ocean in order to make sure they don’t kill people on the ground which is part of training. If he doesn’t give a shit about anyone else, he shouldn’t be in a position to carry any other humans onboard.

they were doing it. y know. mile high club

They sounded stoned haha

And dump it at 5000 or higher where it evaporates. Nah lets just dump it onto a CHILDREN's elementary school and over housing.

@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE couldnt they activate the auto destruct?

Yea just thank god not both engines failed otherwise they'll make like a statue with the attitude then they would have Crashed at the school.

You shouldnt be. Occurrences like these are rare and flying is very safe.

I've been on hundreds of flights and am still here!

That flight did not endanger the passengers. Hello!!

Scared of what? Everyone landed safely without incident.

You may also tell her the statistics of you dying in an airplane crash!

bizarre tbh

Those scenes look so real, I thought maybe they WERE actual videos from the incident!

*Fuel

@@rhuttrho88 so “emediatly” didn’t do it for you? Lol

Well you clearly weren't at one of the schools judging by your awful spelling!

Stop lying.

@@richardgorton5630 English probably isn't his first language

Didn't really get away with it

How was he assposed to know he was over schools? He had to do what he had to do to get the plane down.

@@moderndissident5930 They were over water and high enough for the fuel to not reach the ground, but chose to dump fuel only after they were low and over land where they would drench whoever is below them. That's not what they 'had to do'.

"No severe injuries reported. News at 11"

They just wanted to land without delays as they were scared. It's understandable.

So find something else to do with your time. Perfectly simple to do and the rest of us won't have to read your your bellyaching. SMH

Already done

corny

Game name

PIA is pilot error, we already know, there's nothing to add in it

The Aircraft Aviation yes but while initial reports have been released including pilot error as a reason the final reports can take over a year to release for air accidents.

@@YEETMAN-dt9mb I totally understand you, but the main cause is certain, ya know what I'm talking about?

@@V1Fleetz That's the verdict but the black box, the voice recorder and the investigation will definitely reveal what transpired, the sequence of events that led to the conclusion that it was a pilot error. The sequence of events question the ability of the pilot as in this case of fuel dumping in populated area.

@@sushilkumarsaraf4399 lol the CVR and FDR have already been seen, we know everything and the"sequence of events"

@evo sagara if they say “first” I wish they will die in real life and not deserve peace and deserve hell as their place! 😡

First world problems

First🙋🏻‍♂️

im 38,644th. does that count for anything ?!

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They can dump overland but only at high altitude so it disperses and breaks into tiny molecules

or if the kids were smokers

I don't know if chemtrails are real or not but it's rather rude of you to call anyone who has an opinion that differs from the official narrative a karen.

@@danielpavlick5006 of course chemtrails aren't real. Literally everyone knows that.

I thought Karen's were leftie types?

Yh chin They are real asshole

They did the job, but they were in a big hurry, hence the fuel dumping. Did they thik the other engine would fail soon?

Really you have coffee at 7:00 in the evening

Aviation Facts Explained and more uh- you know there is time difference right-

@@Democracyyy there's something called a time zone

It was a joke I tried to trick you

@@Democracyyy yeah like rn at my time zone it’s the morning (9:30)

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Good question.

ATC did ask them if they want to dump fuel they said no i dont understand why they lied about it

Sure just arrest them.

If you were on that flight would you want to fly around over the ocean dumping fuel minutes from the airport or be over the airport after dumping fuel on the way? Just in case fire burst through the wing and you didn't have minutes left? Good decision by the pilot! He was distracted and he is sorry. Lol

@@MrManic52001 We don't need easily panicked pilots flying around over our heads.

@@billolsen4360 easily panicked isvan interesting description of what the transcript shows. Also outstanding arm chair pilots we have in the comments.

The alternative , in his mind, was to risk burning his passengers to death by landing with a heavy fuel load. He chose correctly.

@Sanni Epstein He could have dumped the fuel over the ocean...

@@sanniepstein4835 He could have just dumped fuel over the ocean. Then no one would have been hurt!

Well it’s already a huge plane pumping pollution into the air and there’s hundreds of them everyday so no...nobody cares about our Mother Earth. And everyone who rides in those planes don’t care either

@Samantha Fisher This is the world we live in today. People travel using cars and planes and buses etc. Some do care, but they can’t stop themselves from using transport, can they?

Below 5 million feet?

Disagree. Pilots pushed back on initial approach instructions, so they could have extra time, but were vague as why. I'd have thrown the book at them.