I guess that’s why I’ve always tended to win more than I lose, and always cash out conservatively. I’ve always viewed gambling as being in a defensive position. You aren’t playing for the casino’s money, they are playing for yours…
@@usefulprogrammer9880 That's why I've only ever played cards with buddies where I stand to lose $20 over a night. Casinos are rigged, they cheat people and they're so rich that they write the laws. I'm not playing a game that I'm guaranteed to lose. There's a reason why they're billionaires and it's rare for a player to even break even.
Both situations are masters of their domain. Goodfellas was more entertaining in a short period. But the Sopranos one hits harder, longer, and ultimately holds it's weight over the season. It's just movie vs television, pick your poison
In the Goodfellas partnership scene: Look to the left of Sonny as he speaks to Paulie. You'll see Tony Sirico (Paulie from Sopranos) eating in the background playing Tony Stacks. Tony appears early in the film too.
@@shanep5819 What do you mean? I don't think Richie wanted Davey to get further in debt, especially not to Tony. Otherwise he would have encouraged him to gamble more, not get mad at him at the executive game.
@@shanep5819 Yes, Tony and Richie were both there to exploit him. However, I don't think Richie was originally intending a bust-out. If he was, I would have expected him to encourage more gambling. Instead he told Davie to stay away from his games until he caught up on his payments. Seems like Richie was interested more in a long term steady stream of income.
A man pays his debts. How do you let your restaurant tab get to 7K ... In the 1960s no less !! We're talking over 20k now. The problem is is that Tommy is a deadbeat between scores.
They were setting the guy up for a bust out. Racking up that huge tab was a part of the playbook to get the guy in their claws. So was Henry “helping” him by bringing him to Paulie
Running up that $7000 tab was not just about the convenience of free meals/drinks/entertainment... it was part of the long-term plan to bust the joint out in the first place. Tommy was the fear-inducing "bad cop," and Henry's role was to be the less threatening, more reasonable "good cop" that the owner Sonny felt he could turn to once things started getting dicey. Henry ultimately takes Sonny to Paulie under the pretense of doing the poor, stressed-out guy a favor... but in reality he's just sealing the deal. The plan works to perfection as Sonny is literally begging Paulie/Henry for an arrangement that can and will only end in ruin for Sonny, the (soon-to-be) former owner of the Bamboo Lounge. Mafia 101... Just as Tony tells Scatino near the end of this video, this kind of thing "is [Tony's] bread and butter".
Tony's true feelings about Davey's debt were captured right when he heard the 45 boxes of ziti owed. Tony's "What?!" sounded both surprised and concerned. He wasn't happy about Davey's debt to him, despite what he said later.
@@PoppaBearandBabyBear.-be5jzhe crawls from whatever prison he’d been rotting in since members only jackets were still the hot thing to wear, is out for FIVE MINUTES, and immediately tries to shake a guy down who A) he hasn’t seen in decades, B) really doesn’t owe him anything and C) is already protected by and paying someone in the organization. He definitely wasn’t right in that situation with Beansie. Not even an iota. Only reason Tony couldn’t discipline him further is his ferocious reputation and support from other people in the organization. He also wasn’t right selling coke on the garbage routes against Tony’s wishes. All in all, Richie was an old school act; he has his moments (like with dave) where he can be reasonable, but he still believes in dominance and brutality and the old ways, which conflict with the order the boss (Tony) has set up.
@@Notimportant253 I agree and disagree at the same time. Richie has every right to feel some type of way especially because he put beans in in action and not once did beans ever visit him in jail, now the way he went about wasn't the smartest move. Remember Paulie did 6 months and hated Tony didn't visit Riche has a legitimate beef and that's just one situation where Richie was right to be upset but went about it in the wrong way. Even the way beans talks to the young kid is pretty disrespectful talking like he's a wise guy or tough guy to a civilian which tells me what kind of manager/boss he is. Richie gave the kid respect and told him not to worry about it and if you see Richie kept the code and never disrespected civilians thst weren't part of it. Dave's kid at the sports place, if you recall
"When your fuckin' credit runs out, Diamond Jim. Until then? Get on the fuckin' horn and order. Unless...you want to pay the principal you owe us." My favorite storyline on this show, ever. THIS is the mob. Getting leverage on a dumb fuck who gets in over his head. Busts him out. That's the mafia. It ain't 'Scarface'.
But at that point, even if Dave Scatino were to come up with the principal he owed them right then and there, they wouldn't have gone away. They would've just busted him out anyway. What could he do about it?
@@humanbeing2420maybe. Although if he somehow handed over $54k in cash Tony & Richie would be fine with it, especially as they know he’d be back at the tables the next night. I think they’d leave the store & instead help this terrible gambler with a magical source of cash play as much as he likes.
@@sangremog Exactly. They knew if Scatino could come up with 54k, then that means he'd have lots of money to lose again in another card game. These guys see a degenerate gambler coming from a mile away.
@@humanbeing2420 Eh... maybe if they didn't like him, but being a lifelong Tony friend might not have saved him from his debt, but it might have saved him from being completely abused. IDK I can't see Tony ruining a guy who completely paid up. He'd be pretty happy with everything
About the time that the Goodfellas bust out was happening, The Many Saints of Newark was taking place as well. In it's fictional universe, of course. Also, whenever Tony refers to the days of his youth, now we have a point of reference, thanks to the prequel movie. James' son did a wonderful job portraying a young Tony
In season 4 of The Sopranos when Artie gets scammed by the frog and Tony takes over his debt, he tells Artie to wipe his tab at Vesuvios, which is 7 grand, in return. The same as Tommy's tab in Goodfellas. I wonder if that was intentional
YOU KNOW teh worst part of the Scatino Bust out? If the business is in his wifes name? He could have saved his ENTIRE family alot of girief by a) Deleting himself b) Leaving the state and Disappearing. He was to chicken shite though and did neither and destroyed his family.
1:50 Oh look, it's the king buzz-kill. My college buddy had a roommate like that. Dude could suck the air out of a room and make people want to leave faster than a Gestapo raid.
Tony tried to give Davey multiple chances to not go into back breaking debt but he wouldn't listen. That executive game was a setup for sure with Silvio and Paulie slow rolling him but he could have just stayed home with his family.
Why do so many of these compilations seemingly deliberately screw up the chronology? Here we see Ritchie attacking Davey at the poker game. AFTER that, we see Davey giving Ritchie a "light envelope" at his store... when that short payment is the entire reason Ritchie was so ticked off to find Davey at the game. I can't imagine that chronology was wrong by accident, but I can't fathom why it would be done purposefully. I see this on a lot of other clip-fests like this. Bugs the crab outta me.
I get what you mean but to me the intent seems to be to juxtapose the goodfellas scene with the Sopranos scene. The emphasis is less on chronology and just comparing the two pieces of art. The Goodfellas scene happens after the takeover of the restaurant so it would have been difficult to compare both scenes in a chronologically correct and relevant manner
2:08 Richie wasn't wrong... Davey was being a Snake going behind his back gambling more when he already owed 7 stacks.. I understand tony didnt want that at his game though because of his other guest who might not show up next time.. but he should have "Sent him Ooooouuutt" 😂😂😂😂
In the first scene, the restaurant needs to refuse service. a $1000 tab is already pushing things. Adjusted for inflation, I personally would not allow a customer debt to exceed $5000 before simply banning them.
The big difference between the two is that Goodfellas never pretends its characters are anything but conniving thieves. Sopranos wants you to empathize and identify with Tony. That's why Davey gambles his way into debt so the audience feels like he deserves it whereas Henry and Paulie con Sonny by using Tommy as a threat.
I don't understand the busting out thing. Why not just extort them straight up? Why bother with the elaborate scheme to make it look like the victim brought it on themselves? Either way the victims pay out of fear.
