Wenn hier jemand ein Hugo ist, geht der Pokal 🏆 an dich! Ob Hpa, Aeg oder Gbb, ist einfach Geschmackssache. Das größte gejammer im Feld, geht eindeutig an die AEG Spieler, die sich ständig benachteiligt fühlen, gegen Hpa Spieler.
The 2 things that sold HPA to me was: Firstly, I can turn up to any field and be 100% confident i will be under their FPS limits as I will just turn up or down my regulator to fit their rules - no risk of going home with a hot gun. And secondly, their capacity to be actually suppressored with suppressors, the sound difference is much more significant than with any AEG.
@@rummbolt Thanks buddy, appreciate you putting out the content and giving your opinion on it. Whether we agree or disagree you're a credit to the industry for spending your time making these videos and giving us your opinion. Keep at it buddy.
In this days aeg is easy to lower or up the power, quick spring change ... but I think hpa and aeg comparisons is the same compare lambos and ferrari and of the end everyone have they own taste
I feel once you got onto the price comparrison, it got a little disigenuous because for the other sections you compared "as-is", i.e out of the box HPA vs your custom built over 5-6 years. but then for the price section you list the AEG out of the box price, ignoring the hundreds of pounds/dollars/euros spent on the motors/gears/compression parts/ETU's/hop/barrel etc to get you to the out of the box HPA performance - taking those out into a seperate section without accounting for them in the price doesn't really make sense to me.
I decided to do so because i can not name the exact price of all the upgrades i did on this particular AEG, the several attempts just were too many. At a certain point, the benefits from upgrading get smaller and smaller. Back when I bought the AEG in 2017, the standard of internal parts coming stock was a lot lower. Nowadays, you can get OOTB-AEGs with almost identical performance - for example the Cyma Nova mentioned in the video :)
I´m sorry you see it this way - i was hoping my final statement -here is no "better" system- was pointing out my - as I see it - neutral perspective on this topic after I did all the testing :)
@@rummbolt I think just giving some indication would have been more genuine, saying something along the lines of a mid-range upgrade package is likely to bring your costs to maybe the midway point or closer to the cost of a HPA gun, as in theory you could also take a gun and rather than spending £150 Gate Titan, £50 gears, £150 brushless Motor... etc you could put an inferno engine in place and see most of the benefits for less cost than an upgrade
I do get all of the "I can build 2 AEGs with the money I will spend on a HPA", but these comments are missing the point. While this is a really good video, it is biased towards the AEG since it leaves the impression of comparing a fully upgraded AEG to a fully upgraded HPA, this isn't the case though as the HPA was out of the box. I do think a lot of people who want to squeeze all the performance will pay up regardless of the price they have to pay so they can achieve this task. I believe a lot of people were looking for that comparison but this video isn't the case, a fully upgraded HPA will ALWAYS beat a full upgraded AEG, it sucks there aren't that many tests on the internet and you will clearly see it once you buy both of them yourself.
Thanks for the comment :) in my eyes, there is not sool much more potential for the stock hpa to upgrade, in other words: long i see them almost on the same level of internal "quality". Both share the same hop up bucking. Differences are the barrel and the chamber. Those would maybe make a little difference, but not the world in my oppinion. Gearbox / engine can not be compared cause completely different parts. Thats why i think the comparison is somewhat justified this way :) have a good one!
I asked the same question too at the start. But then realized that the initial cost difference of a stock hpa and aeg is a lot and therefore the comparison makes more sense in a value for money standpoint. especially since one of hpa's main point is high performance ootb, then we should compare it to a high performing aeg (upgraded) with money spent on it at the ballpark of the hpa's cost. but its just my opinion..
Any well built AEG can go toe to toe in regards to accuracy (if they have same power output and uses the same BBs), range and rate of fire for less money then Actual cost of HPA. Once the bb leaves the barrel and has XX Joules, it will fly the same range regardless of it has been launched from HPA, AEG or GBB platform (Assuming they have same backspin, a.k.a hop). The main difference is that with HPA it is much simpler and more reliable (not saying that HPA is problem free ... anyone who have worked in "pressure" business knows what sealing problems might occur over time). However people tends to view HPA as "unfair" because they simply gives you lot of performance easily, for lot of $$$. Another aspect is that HPA power creeps easily and having hop up on/off doesn't affect them at all, compared to AEG. So if the site doesn't chrono properly (not checking Joules, with hop set on as the player would play in the game with the bb weigth they are playing) it could lead to big gaps in the power, further enlarging perception that HPA is unfair. If the AEG guy has 1,5J without hop applied measured with 0.2g and after hopping 0,32g he can have 1.3J but the guy with HPA who has 1.5J without hop and 0.2g can easily have 1.9J with 0.4g bbs .... so in game there is 0.6J difference ..... It all depends on the proper chronoing of the game site and understanding of "airsoft balistics in general".
Now I can understand that most people would think that HPA is just the gucci AEG. HOWEVER! I myself am a ghillie suit player. And I play with an HPA DMR build. HPA is way quieter with a suppressor. Keeping me undetected. While an AEG. No matter how much I try. will never be silent. I personally dont think there is much difference between HPA and AEG's (I have my fair share of experience with both platforms) but as a ghillie suit. HPA is just better for my needs. Good video. 👍
@@warren- Yeah, personally I use the SparkLabs WOLF Engine with a Novritsch rifle suppressor and a 363mm inner barrel. also I have added extra suppression around the gear box. you stand 2 feet away and you cant hear anything from it lol. I've been asked a couple times if I'm even shooting.
I have a fully upgrade AEG (TITAN Mosfet, Warhead Brushless motor) and a HPA AEG. HPA do have a slightly faster trigger response and a clearly advantage for me is easy FPS adjustment. I still take my AEG when I want a lighter loadout,
For me as a airsoft tech only thing that I will say HPA beats in terms of AEG is loner range builds. With even a full cylinder and great compression you will still be undervolumed in comparison to the inner barells size. Only time I build HPA builds is for longer builds holding a 455mm -509mm inner barell as you can really tune in how long the nozzle pushes out air giving the bb the correct amount of air cushion to ride the bb all the way out
@@rummbolt Of course my brother! You give some good info as well! As a primarily AEG tech you be keepin my job alive I be telling people I can make a SSG shoot semi just as fast 😹😹
I think "out of the box" with the MTW you showcased you can also get the expansion chamber and C02 cap which would essentially make the set up pretty much equal as in "plug in battery and fill up magazine" you would also need to load a C02 cartridge. Just something to also think a bout!
It´s true, yes - the CO2 option is also worth to consider. But it would also bring some downsides, such as less shots and more frequent cartridge reloads. Thanks for adding this comment - have a good one!
One of the best videos out there on the topic, if not THE best. One thing I would add is that the MTW Unleashed with the airstock specifically weighs sooooo little, it feels incredibly light and easy to wield, in a good way, while still feeling very high quality. While an AEG of the same size will be way heavier-feeling. Either can be a plus for some, depending on preference.
Oh wow, thank you very much, those are huge words!!! Indeed, the MTW is insanely lightweight, i can approve that. With tank, aprox. 2.5 kg maybe? Makes the back pain stay away longer 😁 have a good one!
At my local site they offer MTW unleashed as a rental option it's pretty sweet with a PTS mag, it is very light and easy to switch shoulders in a CQB setting, I thought the stock would be an issue with this, but it was fine
@@Chesterseventythree I think so, too! But: Just came from an Event Yesterday, having my 1J Scar and my MTW Unleashed with me. Starting with the Scar, i felt no need to Switch to the HPA System all day. However it is an amazing system, the difference is Just not thaaat huge in my eyes. Have a good one!
I’ve had a couple shit guns before that took a while to sort for sure, the burnt motors is somewhat preventable with maintenance and mosfet settings. But I can’t speak for others setups. Also, to many upgrades can lead to an unreliable gun (done that too) it’s like building a race car… it’s better than stock but won’t last long. I also don’t mind working on AEGs. It’s part of the fun of the hobby for me. I would encourage more people to learn how build their own stuff, it would help grow the hobby like RC where knowledge is more readily available
Yeah, teching for me also is like the part of the hobby which is not out on the field, but at home. At least the same level of importance as playing itself 😁 have a good one!
My hatred for HPA pushed me to be the best AEG Tech I can be, and now all my guns are fully upgraded and are a complete joy to shoot without an umbilical cord sticking out of it. Ive shot my friends MTW before, while it's nice i cant justify spending that much money for perhaps a little bit more performance and have a tank and line sticking out the damn thing.
Haha, although "hatred" is a quite strong word, I totally understand your motivation. It´s just like you said - in the end, you can get very similar performance and experience from both systems. Thanks for your comment - have a good one!
Two things sold me on HPA: The ability to easily adjust the gun to any field. Want a CQB gun for indoors? Got it. How about rifleman limits? Yep. Heck, wanna make a DMR or 3 Joule gun? Turn the regulator, baby. Second, it just goes and goes. I don’t have to worry about overheating a motor on semi or having to maintain it and fix stripped teeth or a new spring. I have an MTW and have done zero repairs to it. It just runs and runs incredibly well. But I can see where people like AEGs. I think both are useful.
Very constructive comment, thanks for that! Although a quick spring change system will do similar for you, i still get the point - the regulator is just faster and more simple. Have a good one!
You didn’t mention the main thing that HPa typically has an advantage with, trigger response! Sure a good aeg can be pretty snappy but I see hpa guns that shoot if you even look at the trigger. At a field with semi only they’ll be shooting twice as fast as the poor rentals can even on full auto!
My SAEG got a faster Semi response with a Titan than my stock Article 1. I swapped to a Gorilla Board and now it is a beast with a much better semi response than the mtw board. Also a bit faster than my semi SAEG Monster.
In my eyes, a gate titan with precocking is basically equal to the tested MTW in terms of trigger response. But you're right, pointing this out would have been nice in the video. Thanks for your addition ☺️
Gonna say it is a good video, but it would leave out some points. With sound for instance, you can add a foam baffled suppressor which is quite cheap. But they do work wonders for HPA rifles as the sound they make originate from inside the gun, and exits through the barrel. You can make a HPA gun a lot more quiet then any AEG. Cost/performance is really not that far apart. HPA starts more expensive, but starts with higher quality OOTB. Though, an AEG gun of $300 without any upgrades will not perform close to a HPA like the billet. Also, you can get into HPA quite cheaper compared to the billet. Take a decent quality M4 AEG, buy a HPA dropin kit and you even have spare money left to upgrade the internals and a HPA setup (bottle, regulator, hose) for less money then the MTW billet. It is definately a good gun, but expensive for HPA standards. Which brings us to the next part of where a point would rather be shared, instead of given to AEG. Upgrades. Upgrades are more available on the AEG because of 2 reasons. AEG's are used more often, and there are more parts to upgrade. For instance, the motor, gears, mosfet, cylinder and cylinder housing serve the same purpose for AEG, as the HPA engine itself with its FCU for a HPA gun. More upgrades does not equal better. You simply have all you need and can swap settings around with a HPA engine like the polarstar F2 to start with. The other upgrades, like hopup unit, is the only one where you might have more choice for AEG, but the HPA on higher quality hopups perform just as good as the higher quality hopup units for AEG. The barrel and nub are the same for both platforms. To me personally, I think if you spend a certain budget on HPA vs AEG, the price to performance is really close, maybe in favor of HPA over time due to it's low maintenance requirements. AEG's are plentyful and can reach comparable performance, but the instant trigger response from HPA vs the screeching of an AEG will easily let me favor one over the other. But in the end, both choices end up with comparable results.
Hello and thanks for your comment! All points are absolutely reasonable, just let me briefly explain why i decided to present it that way: Sound: You´re right, a video on the silencer effect is soon to come :) Pricing: I´m considering the mentioned Cyma begadi AEG as very competetive for stock standards, there are many great reviews out there. My intention was to tell that you will get almost (!) the same performance for a lot less money than the Billet series. 5 Years ago, this would not have been the case - i can not remember about one single AEG that performed equally back then. Upgrading: Yes I agree with that, but please also consider the guys out there who really like tinkering with their AEGs (such as me). They probably would not have that much freedom with an HPA replica :) Overall: Absoolutely, i think well done HPA and AEG systems can perform on more or less the same level. Sound, usability and personal preference should be the factors to decide from, in my eyes. Have a good one!
Great video! :) I feel like the HPA system got its hype because of 2 factors. 1. For sneaky, ambush-style players, with a suppressor, it can be extremely quite, which can completely change the game for them, and give a huge advantage (or take away the disadvantage of an AEG / GBBR) 2. The out-of-the-box capabilities of an MTW are really promising for ppl who don't want to go to mechanics, or do the upgrades themselves. All you really need to change is the hop unit or the barrel, everything else is golden. +1 You compared the Unleashed version, however AFAIK the 3-400$ cheaper generic MTWs are exactly the same internally, only the buttplug for the tank and the electronic system is different (and only the ease of use there too, no extra "advantage") +2 If the barrel of the AEG was upgraded, maybe it should have been done on the MTW too. It feels a bit weird that we compare a stock barrel againts a precision one. Edit: Just watched the last 2 min of the video after writing the comment, I see you already adressed my 2 points :D
Thanks for your comment :) Yeah, sound indeed is one of the most important factors here. Talking about the barrel - I found no information about the inner diameter of the MTW Barrel, so i skipped this point on both barrels. The AEG has a PDI 6.05 Barrel if i remember correctly - but the MTW still got a few more hits in the precision test. Maybe, an upgrade could even increase precision, although i won´t feel it to be necessary :) Have a good one!
I run a kythera + UGS, so the only setup I have to do it simply put in a CO2 cartridge. If you buy a mock suppressor and fill it with foam, essentially all sound is completely muted as well. Love my setup and shoots lasers. Still, love my AEGs as well
Thak you, good video. I'm very old airsoft player, (since 2004. Active till 2012) but sometimes take a time to play with my sons. I have experience with SYSTEMA PTW, various Gearbox v2.0 replicas and now with HPA. Have nostalgy for my SYSTEMA PTW. For good quality, trigger reaction speed, accuracy. It's the best AEG ever. Never play with TOKYO MARUI system AEG's after PTW. It's like RENAULT Clio or something after AUDI RS :). But HPA have one more big reason. I'm from Lithuania and we sometimes playing at winter. Mean real winter with -10, -20 temperature outside. All AEG's not good for low temperature. HPA working perfect. Thank you for video one more time and nice see that airsoft not dead. Good luck
Hello and greetings to beautiful lithuania! Indeed, Systemas have a Long and good Reputation Here in Germany as well. But they say, reloading can be "interesting" and needs practice eventually :P Must be a cool experience to Play Like in deep snow in those very cold Winters, but challenging as well. Over Here, it rarely goes below -5°C or so. keep on playing with your sons, have a good one ☺️
One thing i never hear peolle talk about on youtube thats a HUGE seller for me on HPA is the trigger response. Firing an HPA is almost instant from trigger pull to bb firing. AEG have to wait for the spring to compress then uncompress then the bb fires. Sure it cam be bluatering fast if you have a nice setup but that fraction of a second is still realyl really noticeable.
Nowadays, with high speed gear ratios, adjustable triggers and precocking, the response can be veeery snappy on an aeg. Maybe not 100% like hpa, but almost. At least in my opinion :) thanks for your comment, have a good one!
Firstly, let’s not forget about the cost of delivery of all the parts, the cost of installation and whether they will do quality work for you, after which breakdowns and maintenance at AEG will be much more expensive. on the other hand, you buy a finished product and go play and don’t waste time and nerves.. you have power and rate of fire settings without the need for disassembly (the butt tube must be removed no matter what, have a bunch of springs with you for the required ranges) comfort and convenience for rich 🤑
04:10 "this type of simplicity can never be reached by HPA".... Get yourself the reaper M engine, no need for battery, just plug in the remote line. This level of simplicity can never be reached by AEG ;)
Yeah I really wonder how the reaper performs compared to the inferno - reeally cool thing for playing in wet / snowy environment, and easier as well. Have a good one!
Any well built AEG is directly comparable to a well Built HPA, both in performance and relibility. HPA takes less effort to get that performance, but both are equal.
For accuracy: high quality heavier ammo, the quality of the inner barrel finish and hop setup are going to determine accuracy, not power source. Consistency wise, that's all down to compression and/or airseal for both. A badly aligned nozzle on HPA is gonna get smoked by a well setup AEG and vice versa. For noise: on HPA a foam filled suppressor will eliminate 90% of the noise the enemy will hear minus the valves/action of the HPA. For an AEG it's almost impossible to eliminate the piston slapping the cylinder head plus it's hard to soundproof the motor and gears working. For future reference, you should test the HPA and AEG noise from different distances to demonstrate what the enemy would hear. You should test a well setup spring sniper against the HPA and AEG noise.
Exactely this is what is going to come up next on my channel: Recording the sound of GBB, AEG, HPA and Spring powered Systems with and without a silencer, both 20 Meters away and right next to the shooter. The results are...surprising ;) Have a good one!
@@rummbolt I'd also suggest going to 40m, 60m and 80m for the audio tests. It's surprisng just how loud AEGs and GBBRs can be - if you have the space available of course. Additionally, make sure you use a suppressor that has some kind of acoustic foam or packing so it actually works. Can't wait for that next video.
i use HPA as Energy source to Fuel my GBBR, its a great hybrid. safes me a lot of money on gas and alot of headache to keep my gun field legal. However the hopup, bucking and hop rubber is the most cruicial part of the system wich lets u shoot lasers and this is still very depended by enviroment, like Temp and Huminity
Yes, a good hop up and barrel combination are 90% of what will effect the range and precision, thats also my experience. No matter which kind of system ☺️
Much easier to loan an aeg (that also annihlates) with minimal gear to a friend than an hpa set up. Also this is such a hard test, there are so many things to upgrade in a replica system on either end to make a 1:1 with the only difference being the power delivery system is a huge feat.
True - it probably never will be a 100% fair comparison because of the existing mechanical differences. But i did my best to give all of you out there a slight impression of what you could expect. Have a good one, thanks for your comment!
As a 4 month newbie I must have got a bad batch of bbs, I was able to completely disassemble my mtw with nothing but an old broken zip tie, unjammed it and had it back together firing smooth in 5 minutes. I still don’t feel confident working on aegs due to how many moving parts there are inside and the risks involved if you don’t get it right.
Sure, AEGs are a little bit more complex, but its nothing you can not learn if you really want :) maybe start with a cheap broken one and try zo fix it? Thats how i started :) have a good one!
Spannender Vergleich und krass, wieviel Mühe du dir immer machst! Meine persönliche Erfahrung nach über 9 Jahren Airsoft Erfahrung mit S-AEG inkl. High-End Tuning und dann Wechsel zu MTW HPA = HPA ist meinem Gefühl nach nochmal konstanter und dadurch präziser, gerade auf den letzten Metern. Aber der Unterschied ist nicht so stark als das man mit HPA sofort alle S-AEG Spieler outperformed. Wenn man mal regelmäßig die Kniften von anderen Spielern aus Spaß ausprobiert, dann stellt man irgendwann fest, dass echt verdammt viele Leute einfach Hopup und oder die Visierung nicht gut eingestellt haben. Auch eine HPA nützt wenig, wenn der Overhop kickt oder die BBs schon ab 30 Metern deutlich rechts oder links neben dem eingestellten Rotpunkt im Visier treffen...
Hi Nik, vielen Dank für deinen Kommentar! Im Prinzip sehe ich das so wie du - auch wenn der Chrono jetzt in diesem Beispiel für die S-AEG sogar minimal konstantere Werte ausgegeben hat, ist die MTW ein kleines Stück "vorhersehbarer" in der Flugbahn. Würde mich interessieren woran das liegt. Aber absolut richtig: Im Vergleich zu falsch eingestellten Hopups, Zieleinrichtungen oder auch einfach wenig Spielerfahrung ist dieser Unterschied wohl echt marginal. Wie sagt man immer so schön: Ein erfahrener Spieler (im gut eingespielten Team, wie bei euch :P ) wird mit einer 200€ Waffe wohl mehr reißen als ein Einsteiger mit einer 1000€ Replica. Schönen Abend dir!
@@rummbolt das aligement von nozzle und Hop unit macht den Unterschied bei der mtw! Da die gun um die engine/Hop unit gebaut wurde. Bei AEG hast immer Toleranz.... gearbox, hob unit, Body etc. Hab auch ein selbst umgebaute polarstar gun,... Das aligement nach langem hin und her und testen ist "super" , kommt aber bei Test (Halle, windstill) nicht an meine mtw ran. Das sind aber Labor Bedingungen 😅 am Spielfeld "keinen" Unterschied Mit 1,5j und 0.40er und semi, nerve ich Sniper auf 78m😅 von den restlichen 75% an nicht getunten guns am Spielfeld Mal abgesehen 😅 Grüße
I personally have an AAP-01 converted to a PCC that I use with HPA, standard inner barrel but extended outer barrel to fit the handguard length and a suppressor I hollowed out and took the end cap off of. It turns heads every time I shoot it. I actually wear ear pro when playing normally so I don't hear just how loud it is, but I've even had a player or two complain about how loud it can be. It's not a cool bang, but it's still loud for what it is.
True comparison would be with a stock aeg to a stock mtw rather than a mega upgraded AEG which has probably had hundreds spent on upgrades to get to the point that it is
I get the point, but the following question would be, which one to take? There are so many out there, all performing differently... They also sell "pre-uograded" AEGs, and in the same way, one could consider the MTW also as "pre-uograded" because its the gen 3. You see - i find it hard to get to an ideal solution here, so i picked the best aeg I had available :P
@rummbolt I get what you're saying. But in order to be fair you should have included the total price of your upgraded AEG. Yes the MTW is technically an upgrade but it's still stock for 1200 bucks. How much does it cost for an AEG to get near the level of performance of HPA. This is the true question. Yes you can get a $350 aeg and put a few upgrades into it, bringing the total to maybe $500. But does that AEG come close to a stock MTW? Or are several more upgrades needed and lots of experience and troubleshooting required. You also picked just about the most expensive stock HPA gun currently on the market. For about 750 you can get a different HPA gun with the same performance.
@@seanwalsh2488 Agree with that, all those points are reasonable. But actually would deserve more than one video. Lets see what the future brings - have a good one ☺️
@@rummbolt compare a pre built from prime mech airsoft in france to a wolverine mtw and you would have a fair comparison. Both top tier in their class with a pricetag around 800€ new.🙌🏼
imo AEG > HPA for price-performance, but GBB > everything cos funi :D but thats a personal opinion and not a fact. all depends on playstyle and personal expectations ingame.
I’ve been playing for ten to twelve years an had two HPA setups, a polar star AKM which was fun an worked well for every field an a Wolverine wraith setup, don’t recall which engine specifically but it surprised everyone with it being HPA an I personally prefer the wraith setup even though you have to mess with it a bit
As someone that doesn’t like HPA/doesn’t care to get unto it I found your video a bit biased. I do understand most of the points but where you lost me is the upgrades part. All those compression parts upgrades, power and gears can be fixed by turning the nub on the HPA regulator. Worst case you can buy an O-ring kit+ cleaning and fix consistency issues on HPA compared to all the things you have to do on AEG. In my head all these “upgrades” for AEG are a negative actually. I too have an AEG tuned like crazy and it barely sees the field these days. It is too boring to me to point and kill with no effort. That’s why I went the GBB route and why will never get an HPA, it’s just boring.
It´s all a matter of perspective I think :) There are some players - including myself - who actually like doing the upgrade stuff and see the performance increase. But i totally understand everyone who does not like that. Also going to try GBBR soon, as I got curious by the many comments here. Have a good one :)
Dang that shimming is perfect all that I hear is the pistonhead hitting the cylinder head. You are a damn well technician. It sounds even better then my MCX and I thought that one was perfect. Anyway you sound German. Are you by chance from North West Germany ? I would like to see you on our field (an old Gas powere plant.) indoor CQB with 7 floors of action.
Thanks a lot bro, the 13:1 SHS Gears and the matching pinion gear are hot tips :) For more inspiration, feel free to check out PrimeMech Airsoft here on RU-vid, he is a true master of shimming 🥹
I own 5 AEGs and 2 HPAs. The HPA is more reliable and easier to adjust power. My AEGs have become my loaner guns. I would encourage new players to start with an AEGs. They are good for the money. Figure out if this game is for you and learn.
I own both worlds hi-end AEG and HPA, MTW forged can be as light as 1,6kg (mods) with red dot and mag having total of 11'' front with integrated silencer while still maintain indestructible external durability, super quiet and precise shots and insta trigger response, as for now all those aspects at once are quite hard to beat for AEGs, stock MTW is light and precise without anything to work on 'Right Of The Box' but calling it 'Cheat gun' or 'snipers killer' is just plain lie, it's (almost) the best that can airsoft replica achieve without spending time to get to that with other systems
Sounds all reasonable, yeah. Experienced similar with my MTW, but my AEG-Collection still has it´s own worth for me :) Thanks for the comment, have a good one!
Super Video, wie immer! Dieser Vergleich braucht die Airsoftwelt. Ich bin auf deiner Seite, in all den Jahren ist der HPA-Hype seeeehr gewachsen. Früher war es nur eine einzige Person mit HPA-Costume und heute MTW everywhere :-D Bei dem Soundtest fehlte der Schalldämpfer Test, der hätte nämlich einen deutlichen Unterschied gezeigt. HPA hat eigentlich nur Vorteile, außer Preis und Tank+Schlauch und die Befüllung. Mein damaliger Beweggrund war an erster Stelle der Sound! #gbbonly
@@airsoft_kbuk danke dir für den Kommentar :) Der Schalldämpfer-Vergleich folgt ausführlich in einem neuen Video, wünschen sich echt viele :D Schönen Abend dir!
I am impressed by HPAs simply because they are very versatile. However, the toxic corner of the player base has really ruined HPA guns for me, simply because I don’t trust players who use them to not up their FPS or RPS mid game. I organize beginner friendly games, and every time I do, HPA players consistently abuse the FPS and RPS rules. And these things are so hard to monitor due to how easy it is to change the output on the fly. It’s unfortunate because they are a really good advancement for the sport.
Thats very interesting, to read from a gameday host's perspective! Do you use some kind of tournament locks, for example zip ties in the regulators, or similar? Maybe those could help with the cheaters?
AEG is nice but alot can go wrong, overheating motor, mosfet break ect ect. still good gun to start with i have and still use one. on the other hand HPA is nice for concistecy easy maintenance and the Blowback feeling. also not worry about the FPS J limit.
Not having to upgrade your motor is another plus, the only thing that can be upgraded is hopup bucking, changer and barrel. There is no need to upgrade anything else. Yes it's expensive to start with but you can spend a lot more on upgrading an aeg
I think i agree on this, especially on older AEGs, coming with stock internals below modern average. But some people (me included) like the process of upgrading itself and enjoy the progress coming with every single new part. In terms of cost / value, the upgrading however can also be very expensive!
I can not really comment on this, as LMGs are reduced to 0.5 J here in Germany with fullauto. But your point sounds absolutely reasonable to me :) Have a good one!
The HPA rifles I run cannot be more polar opposites of each other. My Kythera build is whisper quiet, along with it being mechanical meaning no fcu battery fuss. My T-191 is loud as fuck with it violently sending a 2 pound bolt back and forth, giving it more recoil than the MWS M4 my friend uses.
You can make an AEG meta build for about that price , fit a brushless into it with a perfect shim job and something to dampen the impact of the piston , put a suppressor and youre good to go. Yes it is more hassle but there are companies that offer that type of service such as PrimeMech. As far as the fps deviation goes and power limits , sure it is more annoying but there are almost no replicas left without a quick change system. As far as reliability goes in my experience of owning 2 high teir aegs , the problems ive had are almost zero , the only ones ive had is due to user error.
The only HPA I run is the Tippmann and that's only because it's blowback. It's not accurate but it is extremely fun. Looking at Daytona next, never going for "regular" HPA.
I like the video. But theres some missing info here to truely get a fair test. How much $$$ did you put into that AEG in the comparison? Thats gotta be mentioned because you compare the $1100 MTW and call that the price point for HPA to get that performance. Yes you can take that $350 AEG you listed, but if you did we both know the stock performance is no where near your super upgraded AEG. The trigger response is probably average at best and upgrades to the barrel and hopup are needed to get the level of accuracy that a MTW gives you stock. I like the content though. Love a good comparison. But as someone who has upgraded AEGs myself, i know there are other factors.
Thanks for your commrnt :) I can not tell how much money it has been on the M4 AEG, its just too long and came from a very outdated stock level 7 years ago. But the mentioned Cyma Nova Series does perform almost equally from my own experience, I just do not own one - thats why i did not pick this one for the comparison. I think the question probably is not "is the replica upgraded or not", but "which parts are in it, and how do they work together". Because many manufacturers out there offer very competetive AEGS (and probably HPAs) nowadays - thinking back 5 years or so, the very same Performance would only have been able to achieve by individual upgrading. At least this is what i think about it :) Have a good one!
The best AEGs can perform as good as a HPA rifle but getting it to perform that well takes a lot of time, money and troubleshooting. You yourself said that you've been tuning your rifle for years to achieve that performance. I had to spend more than 800 Euros on one of my AEGs and I was still not happy with it. The price of regulator, tank and hose are also definitely worth it for me as it can also be used for GBB pistols, GBB rifles and bolt actions. (I even use it for airbrushing)
Absolutely. You only should go the upgrading way if you enjoy the progress of seeing your replica "grow". If not, HPA probably will be your way to go ☺️ Thanks for your comment!
I made the switch to HPA a couple years ago, along with a flat hop, I did notice a massive increase in range and accuracy, but the main thing I noticed, and this is the reason I made the switch, was near instantaneous trigger response. I also use .32 gram BBs at a minimum, the field chronos with .20 gram BBs, but use the energy scale for .40s (due to Jewel creep), so I actually get even more benefits from running heavier BBs. Using the heavier BBs, I was actually able to out range all of the AEG players, and a surprising number of the snipers on the field.
Heavier BB weight is a very important factor in terms of range and precision! But i see no point why you should not use them in AEGs when the energy levels are equal, right? :) Have a good one!
@@rummbolt except the heavier BBs are propelled at a higher velocity with HPA. Chrono and AEG and an HPA with the same weight BB, set them to run the same velocity/energy, then switch to a heavier BB in both and chrono them again
Sounds like what you explain is a matter of dwell / cylinder volume. Wouldn't this strategy only work out if the field you play on sets the chrono to a very low weight, such as 0.2? Otherwise, hpa would even limit you in terms of energy, if the fps are higher on heavier bbs as you explained?
@@rummbolt it’s much higher with HPA, that is what jewel (I don’t know how to spell the right one) creep is, and is why fields like Ballahack Airsoft chrono HPA guns with .20s but read the energy for .40s. Last time I got chronoed with .20s (I’ve since built a new Airsoft gun using the same HPA parts with a much shorter barrel) I was only getting about 280 FPS, but on .32s I was shooting about 330 FPS
@@ForOdin That's joule creep, which is why sites should always measure in joules at the BB weight used. Gas guns are notorious for REALLY heavy joule creep. Personally, I wouldn't even consider attending a site that chronos that way until they change it, because it's quite literally a safety hazard.
I appreciate the point of the video but the results are not on par with the level of upgrades on both platforms. If you want to get an actual result, upgrade the HPA platform to the level of the AEG one. Just to make clear, I am not onboard the HPA team and really hate them but, as I mentioned before, players on the field will use upgraded platforms even when out of the box it is decent. Do upgrade the HPA and repeat the test. We'll see then what's what. Oh, and soundwise, a short stroke 13:1 by 2 with a mushroom piston head and cylinder heat + brushless motor will be really quiet, around 70db(not counting the suppressor).
Actually, the only part that potentially would make a difference for me that could be exchanged on the MTW would be the inner barrel, all the other parts are more or less equally in my eyes. Maybe, this would increase the Mtws precision a little more - but it already "won" that part of the competition so i do not really see a reason for a "rematch" in this aspect. Ah and about those db meters on Smartphones... I think they are crap, more or less. But it was the only tool i had available for the test, maybe i will find a better Solution for my upcoming suppressor video :) have a good one!
Thank you :) Here are the key internals: Retro Arms GB Shell (split) SHS 13:1 Gears in ball bearings + SHS pinion Gear Red Dragon High Torque Motor Gate Aster + Quantum Trigger 11.1 Lipo 25c Begadi Piston + Cylinder Set Lonex Cylinder Head (Original) Epes Nozzle Retro Arms Hop Up Chamber Ml Super Macaron 60° Bucking PDI 6.05mm inner Barrel M110 Begadi Spring And some shim discs :P Have a good one!
I think you undersold the ability to change your power with a twist of an Allen key. It is a lot easier and also cheaper. Buying a bunch of springs adds up and it’s just so much easier to adjust and fine tune to the weight of the BB.
Thanks for your comment: My idea behind it was, that the MTW already comes with "after Market parts" such as the ML Super Macaron Bucking. That is why i chose an AEG thats internals are equal in as many ways as possible - in order to compare the systems themselves, and not the quality of Upgrade parts. Have a good one :)
Im not really partial to either, but my mtw has been the least troublesome gun ive owned in 15-20 years of playing. Which is really nice. And the rpk with the massive volumes of fire just takes it all day, tens of thousands of bbs at pretty high fps and rof non stop. Durability is a big deal for me, i find no pleasure in repairing pos airsoft guns anymore.
Good video but not a fair comparison you have a fully upgraded AEG against out of the box hpa you put a max hop in it and a decent bucking it would blow the AEG out of the water every time
@@franciscojavieramezcuafern1209 sure, but a lipo is not as bulky and also standarised, so that you can get one from a friend or other player for the games. And you can recharge them with a power bank.
I have an mtw billet gen 2 about £650 approx 2 years ago. Then a tank £45 line £25 and regulator £120 and small battery £5 makes the total cost £845. I dont have the teching skills to make a very well upgraded aeg. I had an aeg approx £300-350 (cant remember exact cost) and then had it upgraded by negative Airsoft costing me a further £480. Whilst this includes labour it also includes his vast knowledge of upgrading guns i dont have making the total build approx £780-830. Then add 2 batteries for £25 making total £805-855. As i cant remember the exact price of gun cant give exact value but the price is very similar. And i can tell you the mtw wins on accuracy, sound, consistency. The whole video was so bias and should try using hpa for longer
Sounds to me you found your ideal system with that MTW - very nice! For your personal needs, the HPA just fits better - and thats exactely what i wanted to point out by doing this video :) Have fun on the field!
Hey, thanks for the comment! It should be this pump: www.ebay.de/itm/235312707534?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=707-127634-2357-0&ssspo=sd-W30LqT7O&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=-xUrOdZoQ7q&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Ja, gerade bei Systemen mit langen Innenläufen ist das auf jeden Fall von Vorteil. In der "Länge" der beiden gezeigten M4s spielt das vielleicht noch keine ganz so große Rolle, wenn man nen Type 0 Zylinder nimmt - aber z.b. bei DMRs ist das schon super, da geb ich dir Recht :)
I dont understand why having to upgrade your AEG is a plus. In case of the HPA you simply dont have to upgrade anything since it already have the option built in most of the time. The only thing you can mess around is the hopup on hpas.
Because there are players out there - such as me - who actually like upgrading their replicas. For some its a plus, for some its a minus i guess :) have a good one!
To be honest, I can not tell. Too many different upgrades over the years. But what I can tell, the difference to modern "pre-upgraded" AEGs such as the Cyma Nova in terms of performance is not huge :)
Es macht bei HPA Kniften durchaus Sinn einen Schalldämpfer mit Schaumstoff darin zu benutzen. Da die Geräusche bei HPA Schüssen zum größten Teil durch die Luft, die plötzlich aus dem Lauf kommt entsteht. Deswegen würde ich den Soundvergleich noch mal mit einem Schalldämpfer auf beiden Replikas machen.
I think you missed one crucial point: HPA allows for easy use of heavy bbs. With AEG you are limited by cylinder volume but there is no such limitation with HPA. Also, the upgradeability... you dont need to upgrade HPA, no need to change gears, piston whatev.. because its all in the HPA system. Just get a good hopup unit, bucking and barell and thats it.
I Have to disagree with you on the upgrade side for HPA, while there is less to upgrade, unlike AEG the upgrades are already built into the HPA system, you want faster rate of fire in auto just change the settings on the engine on an AEG you have to buy new a gear set possibly a new motor and have work done on the piston rack, change power HPA turn a screw set it to the exact power you want, AEG go buy a new spring possibly have to remove the gearbox then hope you chose the right spring
I understand your perspective, and its absolutely justified in my opinion. What i wanted to express in the upgrade part was like : an AEG gives you more options to experiment, to improve what ever you may like. For sure, the Hpa brings some of those benefits stock already. But for the passionate tech, an AEG probably would be more "versatile" - thats my point, hope it gets clearer now :) have a good one!
But also less fun / learnings / individuality from the upgrading process. Just a matter of perspective - still yours is absolutely reasonable of course ☺️
@@rummbolt i like simple. Its so easy to make mistakes in a complex system and then not know what went wrong. I would take 1000% the same as you if it worked over Individual setup that might not be ok
I own a full custom MAC M4 AEG (titan, full FPS,MAXX model gear, and full carboon fiber external etc. Just the best of the best possible) it's worth more than 1500 € i love it, but for 300€ i know you can take a Kythera full mechanical engine and put in a G&G M4 and it will shot beautifully for a third of the price i spent
Yeah, installing hpa engines to former AEGs in theory is a great idea, but unfortunately, it's not legal here in Germany without an extra "registration" so to speak. You can do it, but it again increasea the overall price. Have a good one!
MTW does much better with ML 70 degree bucking in my experience. Also you have to spend $1500-2000 on aeg to even come close to similar performance and sound, let’s not forget the alignment terror lol. My aeg needed service biweekly, even weekly for some months at $40-60 per hour for labor! My MTW has 100k+ rounds through it with no service other than inner barrel cleaning. Don’t be fooled guys. MTW is Thanos tier airsoft!
Interesting to read about your experience on both systems. Yes - upgrading AEGs can get expensive as well, but nowadays, there are some quite competetive units available out of the box - for example the cyma nova i mentioned in the video :) Also a good idea with the 70° bucking, i will remember it for the future. Have a good one!
Yes, HPA is expensive to get into, but comparing a house rebrand AEG vs a MTW is not really fair pricewise. Also, upgrading an AEG yourself requires technical skills which not everyone has. If you re starting out airsoft, an AEG is perfect. But if you want the best, reliable and consistent performance, HPA cannot be beat. If you want maximum realism, you go GBB. Thanks for the video though. If you would have added all the parts, hours and labour to the costs of the AEG in the comparison, it would be perfect.
Is HPA better? Yes. Is HPA overrated? Yes. The difference is noticeable but AEG's will always be more user friendly and cheaper so you'll get more bang for your buck. I'd only recommend HPA if you play a LOT and have LOTS of money to drop on a hobby but truth be told when it comes to airsoft there's higher priority things that should be bought before HPA but that's just my opinion
Thats maybe why a beginners first choice should be an Aeg in order to learn if he or she will like the hobby :) and then, the following choice could be upgrading or buying hpa straight, depending on personal preferences. Thanks for your comment, have a good one!
I agree with the "does not make you the best player" part. On the other hand, HPA might be the better platform for you, but for others, AEGs may be more suitable. Have a good one!
I would take GBBR with and HPA adapter every day over MTW or an AEG, but also I do prefer GBBR's with gas magazines. HPA can be less expensive than gas mags, but I like reloading and manipulating the weapon which makes airsoft fun to me.
I tried one and I personally don't like it. What Kept happening although it could be because the hose was too long was it was getting snagged on my holster. I have a shorter one. Another problem I had is the compression fitting popped off the IGL It's the stock igl but backdraft innovations is the new kid on the block and they don't have an amped igl yet. It's coming But that does not solve my problem. I know you can modify one but I don't feel comfortable doing that And that was the first time I used it. That's also why i don't trust it. imo the only argument you can make for hpa is you want to build the ultimate dmr. Especially if we're talking about the SVD cuz that is a horrible design.that 4 gear makes the gear ratio 24:1 and you have to run the motor in reverse polarity meaning you can't do thing the lazy way since brushless can't run on reverse polarity. Aeg's simply do not have the air volume for Long barrels with heavy ammo. It's going to happen is you're going to get the vacuum effect if you try that even with the SVD and sr25. My mp5 isn't much slower in terms of trigger response. It may not be capable of "he burned my patch" but it can hit 30 rps ootb because it's a cyma platinum.
I had the dream of an HK G28 HPA DMR. Unfortunately, we have wuite strict rules on engine changes here in Germany, but youre absolutely right- for DMR, HPA is a veery useful platform :)
I am a US player where I'm typically allowed 1.5j for rifleman and 1.75j for LMG. I have about 10hpa guns, including a few MTWs and an HPA LMG. I have owned a bunch of custom AEGs built by reputable builders. I play both indoors and outdoors. I think your video does a great job at basically summing up the differences with a broad brush stroke. That said,IMO,here is where HPA really pulls ahead of AEGs by a huge margin: Dependability. Between spamming the trigger indoors and running springs strong enough outdoors to make field limits I have burned half a dozen motors,stripped pistons, broken tappet plates,stripped gear....you name it. Meanwhile, I have NEVER had one of my HPA guns go down. My LMG has hundreds of thousands of rounds through it. Other than being cleaned and lubed one a year, it never needs to be touched. My MTW has been flawless. I have an indoor build with a Polarstar Jack that has almost 200k rounds through it in 24 months and have had zero issues other than wearing out buckings Yes,AEGs can be built to be accurate. Mine all were. Until they ultimately broke and I got sick of dealing with broken guns and excessive maintenance. I went HPA and have never looked back.
Thanks for your very detailed comment! Absolutely true - the aspect of reliability is just something i can not comment yet cause i'm stil a beginner to hpa. But probably, many people read about your addition :) have a good one !
@@rummbolt thanks for the reply. I enjoy your videos. It's always good to have an open discussion about these types of things so others can learn. Please keep up the good work. 👍
The biggest point of HPA. You don't need to do all that work to make it shoot good. Not everyone has the knowledge or motivation to tinker with AEGs, I personally hate teching AEGs like opening the gearbox, shimming, doing motor adjustments. It might be easy for some, but the majority of players will screw it up and going to a game with a poorly adjusted gun is my personal nightmare. for ease of use, HPA beats AEGs out of the water. And you know what happens when something is convenient. I play gas tho, I stopped using HPA/AEGs long ago lol, I'm not a big fan of the tank either. Co2 canisters are too low on volume thus not enough shots, and 32g co2 is very expensive and barely existant where I live.
True, especially for Players who dont Like the Tech aspect, HPA can be very useful. Although there are some very competitive AEG Systems Out of the Box available by now, such as the Begadi Nova I mentioned in the Video :) have a good one!
I rather take a tuned AEG vs HPA do to the fact that with ETU and BL motors I can play all day with a 2000mah 11.1V lipo of 150gram and no airline, no airtank and no need for air, only a tiny charger xD
As an airsofter and tech for 14+ years hpa for the price and time you are taking on your rifle will out preform an aeg. Plus a stock wolverine mtw vs you highly upgraded aeg isn't exactly a fair comparison. If you want a fair comparison both rifle need the same parts except for its power plant aka the gear box and hpa engine
I tried to make it as similar as possible, for example in terms of Barrel length, Energy and Hopup Bucking. Of course, there will Always be a better way to compare :) Have a good one!
You also need to consider GBB's guns that have been converted to HPA, my HPA GBB KWA Vector makes over 5 joules on a .50 bb and sounds like a real firearm, with huge recoil. You can't beat that for realism.
@@markusa3803 I play with it every weekend!!! Most of my builds are around the 3 joule mark, I live in New Zealand and play with a club where there are no limits!!! And no cry babies allowed.
Comparing a stock HPA to a fully upgraded to the ultra pro max AEG (which has average performance) just to say that they are equal. Try comparing both upgraded to the max to see the difference. Put a good silencer on the HPA and you will get a huge reduction on the noise, while this won't happen with the AEG. This video is like, let's get a super tuned Civic with a 1000hp and compare it with a stock Viper
There are stock AEGs performing similar to my long time upgrading project by now - so the question should not be "stock or not stock" , but "what is the platform capable of. This is what i wanted to show in the video. As I learned so far, many consider the MTW to be also Premium / pre-upgraded by the manufacturer - feel free to read the other comments :) But I kinda agree with the car picture. Just take the Super-tuned Civic and compare it with a modern stock Tesla, to underline the two engine types, and I'm in :D A video about the silencer comparison is allready recorded and will be published soon! HAve a good one!
@@damyandimitrov611 So many unknown variables here. BB weight? Specific parts? Shooting conditions? etc. I´m sorry, but statements like those are nothing I find reliable. And even if they are - why should an AEG not be able to perform the same? (The sound excluded)
I dont agree with the way you say sound is the same. The sound of an eag is maily the motor whine wich is deeper and longer. Whilst de hpa is short and mainly barrel sound. Put a supressor on an out of the box HPA and youre sneaky. Put one one a AEG and its still loud
Hm, I thought i said this in the video :P 5:08, "Both kind of sounds obviosly differ from each other" :D I also mentioned the supressor thing: 6:00 "You probably get a more quite replica from an HPA by using a silencer than from an AEG" Have a good one!
There is nothing as great as playing with a gbbr. And if you compare it the same way you do on the video it would be the worst. But its the more realistic, the more fun.
@@fredericomendes5742 This is how individual perspective brings completely different answers to the "better"-question. And thats great 😊 Have a good one!
So why are we only talking about wolverine MTWs? There are many engines on the market - Jacks, F2, Kytheras, Manncrafts... or even the upcoming Seraph... a budget conscious HPA player/builder would take this into consideration... you mentioned the Cyma Nova? For how much? 400? You can probably build a HPA gun for 400 in 2024 + get a cheap balystik air setup and have the most important benefits of hpa (trigger response, air volume, reliability) for half the price of a MTW.. great video tho, but its kinda whack comparing 'HPA' based on of the most premium/expensive platforms..
Thanks for your comment! My reason for that was the current Mtw-hype, and that I as a youtube beginner can not afford all the other engines at the Same time for a more detailled comparison :D But in principle, you are right of course :)
Hpa is definitely better.i dont care how many hours and hundreds of dollars you drop in it. I will always hate the sound of a aeg. at the end if the day, all that matter is if it can sling bbs
Ich selber habe eine Begadi MK16 Sport Scar-L SAEG und eine Wolverine MTW DD MK18 HPA, beide Waffen suchen ihres gleichen. Trotzdem bevorzuge ich die MK18, weil Sie leiser ist (mit Schalli) und Sie schiesst weiter. Ich habe aber festgestellt, das eine HPA z.B. auf der Dark Emergancy oder Mission 24h einen Nachteil hat, man muss mehr schleppen und ein minimal Setup ist somit kaum möglich, was bei 20-30km täglich schon was ausmacht. Preislich liegt man bei einer guten SAEG auch bei 500-600€ (mit Tuning), klar die MTW kostet mal eben 1000-1500€ (mit Tuning) somit ist dies ein gewaltiger Unterschied. Die Diskussionen die man hier entfacht, kann man auch bei SAEG vs GBB haben. Jeder soll spielen was ihm Spass macht, diese Anfeindungen bringen gar nichts, besonders da wir alle den Sport verfolgen und diesen lieben. Wir sind eine Community!
So ist es, darum sage ich ja auch zum Ende, jeder soll damit spielen was für ihn individuell am besten funktioniert :) Habe die von dir genannte Scar auch selbst, und nutze sie neben der MTW und anderen SAEGs echt gerne. Danke für deinen Kommentar 😊
Thats because i consider my long-term upgrades not soooo much better than the mentioned (very competitive) stock AEG. And i can not tell all the prices for upgrades anymore 😅 But you are right, the tested AEG also has been quite expensive all in all. Have a good one!
HPA aren't really needed so much anymore as GBB and AEGs have advanced quite a bit of the past 5 years or so. So if you want a realistic blowback feel just go GBB these days tbh and means you don't have to deal with pipes and compressed bottles of air all the time!
I got a similar feeling - the industry learned a lot during the past years and differences in terms of performance got smaller over all. We, the players, can only benefit from that :) have a good one!
