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@Kryostasis
@Kryostasis 12 лет назад
i dont no but seeing this videos and reading comments frome english and american people how great the fw 190 was. makes me a little bit proud to be a german. noone of my family was in the luftwaffe, but my grandfather was a tank commander on a panther and the my other one was in the leibstandarte adolf hitler
@imsneeky
@imsneeky 9 лет назад
you gotta admire the men who took these aircraft up everyday,men of every nationality,knowing that their skill and the ability of the aircraft they were flying were the only things that mattered and the things that could see them land safely back at base again. It must have been an incredible,and yes terrifying, thing.Hard to imagine taking off,knowing full well other men of equal talent were going to try and take you out....Hats off to those men.
@Pboy7272
@Pboy7272 9 лет назад
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!!! Forget the 190's performance, there's just something about her lines. Thanks for sharing.
@walter2791
@walter2791 9 лет назад
Liveoneut Well, would be new for me when the FW-190 got bad performances ;-)
@Pboy7272
@Pboy7272 9 лет назад
I was meaning not only was she a great performer but ALSO a beauty!
@walter2791
@walter2791 9 лет назад
Aaaah okay - sorry then :-)
@Pboy7272
@Pboy7272 9 лет назад
It's funny because as I type this I'm flying an FW-190 A4 in IL2. Beautiful checkerboard cowling! Take care
@lisawolak9942
@lisawolak9942 9 лет назад
Liveoneut JUST SITTING THERE IDLYING IT LOOKS BADASS 'NO WONDER IT WAS SO FEARED BY THE ALLIES .
@Vtwin60
@Vtwin60 2 года назад
Beautiful bird. Great to see it still running thanks to a lot of hard work and dedication from top notch people
@TheFunkhouser
@TheFunkhouser 2 года назад
It was a pity not many good German pilots were left when the allied fighter pilots started knocking these out of the sky later on in WW2. Almost shone them in a bad light. Wasn't the 190's doing.
@rampking1
@rampking1 11 лет назад
Btw, I must add this was a great video. I tend to get all 'amped' up on this stuff... 20 years ago I never thought I would ever see a Fw-190 fly in my lifetime. God, I love videos like yours turns back the hands of time, I am HUGE on any military history but especially WWII aviation ! Thank YOU !
@user-kw9cq2kh5m
@user-kw9cq2kh5m Месяц назад
The best fighter plane in world war 2 and the lovely focke wulf 190 is my favourite world war 2 plane of all time ❤
@Loki52020
@Loki52020 19 дней назад
Yes.especially Dora 9 and ta 152
@AxCYeR
@AxCYeR 12 лет назад
gotta love those warbirds from WWII. every single one. they're all fantastic.
@joelynott7360
@joelynott7360 2 года назад
Das Butcher Bird!!!! 50 shades of ultimate badassery!!!!!! 😎😎😎😎
@ColeAviation
@ColeAviation 11 лет назад
Great video of the FW 190! I love these war birds! Thanks for sharing!
@megatwingo
@megatwingo 8 лет назад
Very nice Video about a cool aircraft. Mighty sound of the radial engine. Thumbs up! :) Greetings Mega
@rbilleaud
@rbilleaud 2 года назад
Fabulous. I'd be hard pressed to choose between the 190 and the P-51 in head-to-head combat. Never flown in either, but I did have a Mustang pilot tell me how sleek his ride flew. Be a dream to fly both.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 13 лет назад
@Holztransistor The Flugwerk Fw190 replica currently owned by Rudy Frasca is the only example fitted with the R-2800. As of today there is exactly one WWII original Fw190 that is restored and now flying with the BMW 801 motor. This restoration was not a small accomplishment and was very expensive, and it will only fly a few hours each year. A second BMW-powered Fw190 is still in restoration. One or two Dora models are being built for flight, but years away from being complete.
@LCMNUNES1962
@LCMNUNES1962 11 месяцев назад
EXCELENTE MUSEU DA GUERRA WAR 2 👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 🇧🇷
@chevypower1993
@chevypower1993 2 месяца назад
Magnificent bird of prey.❤
@delorispoindexter5663
@delorispoindexter5663 Год назад
That BMW 801 sounds great
@richardmitchell2274
@richardmitchell2274 Год назад
I love the fw 190 buthcer bird 🐦, i bet kurt tank is looking down 👍👌
@mbitr1001
@mbitr1001 12 лет назад
Excellent video! Many thanks for posting.
@dgareea31swtg
@dgareea31swtg 11 лет назад
Ha! That bird came in for a closer look... The FW-190, the Skyraiders...really good stuff!
@ciscos10011
@ciscos10011 12 лет назад
one of the best looking planes in ww2. great design the germans had it together for sure. also the 109 was was nothing to sneeze at. strange the best looking aircraft are killing machines,
@kutamsterdam
@kutamsterdam 11 лет назад
IMPRESSIVE, WHAT A SOUND!!
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 13 лет назад
@whitdog57 Yes, the forward gun bay houses a variable oil cooler system on the new Fw190 replicas. And the scoop is easy too see. A newer change on a few aircraft is to install oil coolers in the gun bays on the wings, identified by the vents on the gun bay covers. The forward gun bay for this modification houses a larger capacity oil tank. Several oil cooling solutions are being used and/or developed for the replica Fw190s.
@stewjw
@stewjw 12 лет назад
I'm still kicking myself I didn't go to that show, I'd love to see an FW-190 flying, It really is a rare privalege to see these old German warbirds flying in the UK.
@magnusmcgraw
@magnusmcgraw 12 лет назад
Es ist schön zu sehen das es noch Fliegende Exemplare dieser wundervollen Maschinen gibt. In Deutschland sieht man sowas leider nicht mehr, weil diese Bilder gleich mit einer gewissen Ideologie verbunden werden. Dabei ist es die besondere Ingenieurskunst und Technik dieser damaligen Zeit die so begeistert
@TheDaranas
@TheDaranas 6 лет назад
In Gatow steht eine D-9, in Hanover eine A-8 und in Cottbus eine F-3.
@ckelley63
@ckelley63 12 лет назад
BEAUTIFUL!!!!
@searchthetruth1981
@searchthetruth1981 5 лет назад
Geez i have to visit this air show for once in a lifetime...
@musicbruv
@musicbruv 5 лет назад
This year it is on the 13th-14th July.
@ButchNackley
@ButchNackley 12 лет назад
God that sounds good. Thanks for sharing :)
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 12 лет назад
@phillikevideos This is one of 21 replicas made by a German company. One of the goals of the project was a more affordable warbird package that is easy to maintain and repair which also reproduced the look of the Fw190 (they are close but not 100% original.) BMW engines are very rare and expensive, likely costing more than the entire plane. The only flying BMW engine was built up from six original cores, so you can imagine the costs involved in that.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 14 лет назад
@musicbruv You are welcome. It does appear to be a nimble aircraft and I've read that Allied pilots who flew captured examples were fond of it. This one suffered an engine failure this Spring (possibly caused by the 3-blade prop) and went down in the ocean, but it was recovered from the water and it's now in a workshop for a rebuild. I believe it has a new owner and will be getting some changes during the rebuild, including a new engine which has not been identified yet.
@rampking1
@rampking1 11 лет назад
Just once, I'd like to see a with BOTH Fw-190's starting up and taking off together !
@217slipstream
@217slipstream 11 лет назад
Nice to get a good look at what brought down (3 of them, he got separated from the bomb group) my Uncles B24 over Foggia, Italy. Thanks!
@BigKWS
@BigKWS 8 лет назад
Best looking 190 yet. I'd give my left arm to fly that thing.
@theangrybeaverpilot3973
@theangrybeaverpilot3973 5 лет назад
You need your left arm for the throttle!
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 11 лет назад
Since there are two Fw190s, this was filmed at Duxford. Both replica Fw190s are presently in Germany with new owners, and one is being repaired after a crash.
@JOHNO1910
@JOHNO1910 12 лет назад
Flying Legends IWM Duxford.. Brilliant !
@jduff59
@jduff59 4 года назад
This beauty looks like the real deal - a Kurt Tank design that still has pucker factor.
@viracocha4261
@viracocha4261 5 лет назад
Dam! The Butcher Bird sounds bitchin! Anyone know how I could use this as my alarm clock?
@sionlim1
@sionlim1 4 года назад
Ha Ha me too!
@harrymiram5562
@harrymiram5562 Год назад
IMO.....Best looking WW2 fighter 1)F4U Corsair 2)FW-190 Würger 3)P-51 Mustang 4)P-47 Thunderbolt 5)A6M Zero-sen
@izenguarr5236
@izenguarr5236 9 лет назад
A gorgeous plane! Though it doesn't sound right.
@hangarrat101
@hangarrat101 13 лет назад
The engines used in these aircraft are Shvetsov ASh-82Ts, originally fitted to Il-14 airliners. They're similar in size, weight and power to the BMW 801. The 801 was not used as very few exist and spares are presumably non-existant, although an original FW-190 has recently flown in the US with an original BMW engine.
@Iclo420
@Iclo420 2 года назад
Flown by the late and well missed Marc "Léon" Mathis.
@southcoastdub
@southcoastdub 12 лет назад
God I wish someone would do a rebuild on the d12 model. Beautiful airplane!!!!
@1airplane21
@1airplane21 12 лет назад
That depends on which version of the spitfire you are speaking about, later versions fixed this problem but the aircraft that fought in the battle of Britain had this problem. And as far as I am aware there is only one version that fought in the battle so your odds of seeing it are pretty slim.
@f23r
@f23r 14 лет назад
Flying legend, beautiful plane and sound, but only without guns...
@stefanwiebers9991
@stefanwiebers9991 3 года назад
Ne Happy
@stefanwiebers9991
@stefanwiebers9991 3 года назад
Be
@yorumlar1
@yorumlar1 12 лет назад
it is called butcher bird because of its unforgiving battle abilities.it was able to outturn even a spitfire in low to medium alt.with its suprisingly fast roll rate.it can count evasive maneuvers in fast rows even s.fire cannot follow because of its' roll rate.thats what im talkin about spitfire was a pure great doghfighter. all british american and german fighters had strong adventages over themselves.they are all great.they are each one precious pieces of art of aviation.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 13 лет назад
@whitdog57 No the standard engine included with the Fw190 replicas is the Chinese ASh-82 radial. This choice was made because of similar weight and power of the original BMW and it has good parts supply for repairs and service. The replica Fw190 project was, in part, started to provide a lower cost-of-ownership warbird for interested buyers. One buyer has installed an R-2800 on his Fw190.
@konigstiger4999
@konigstiger4999 7 лет назад
Stupendo e potentissimo. Comprato modello.
@civ5ww2fanatic
@civ5ww2fanatic 11 лет назад
@nightravenonline Depends on the model. A BF-109G-6 was a match for the FW-190A-4. Also note the 109 was cheaper.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 12 лет назад
@kutseena Only one D-9 was fully built and sold to a buyer, though Flugwerk has completed 3 D-9 kits. The completed example never flew and has been sold to a new owner who is planning to rebuild it as proper Jumo-engined Dora. Another Flugwerk D-9 kit is being rebuilt as an original D-9. The third example either remains with Flugwerk or has been sold. The entire Flugwerk Fw190 project, parts, and jigs are now for sale for someone with the means to buy it.
@whitdog57
@whitdog57 13 лет назад
If this is a new build out of Germany they were fitted with an R2800 Pratt and Whitney motor, unless the buyer decides on another engine type.
@ColinTonkasdad
@ColinTonkasdad 10 лет назад
excellent...
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 13 лет назад
@EnterpriseXI The Me-262s were copied from a original example during restoration, with a few small improvements for safe flight and with modern engines. The Fw190s were not copied from an original and there are some changes from the original design, including replacement engine and oil cooling design and the elimination of gun installations, I presume to comply with certain aviation laws. I think complete factory drawings for the Fw190 types are missing, much like many other WWII examples.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 13 лет назад
@Noszkovonye This is one of the Fw190 replicas with the Chinese ASh-82 engine. Only one authentic and original WWII Fw190 is now flying as of 2011 after almost 20 years of restoration. It is a combat veteran aircraft and uses the authentic BMW. A second original Fw190 is still in restoration.
@whitdog57
@whitdog57 13 лет назад
According to Air Classic's who did an article on the project. The way you can tell is between guns just forward of the cockpit you'll see a scoop all be it hidden by the gun humps on the cowling.
@MMilitia
@MMilitia 12 лет назад
@ musicbruv, i think it's a gramatical error. "German machines, never outclassed, never outperformed, only outnumbered." That makes better sense
@yorumlar1
@yorumlar1 12 лет назад
it was able to outfly anypursuer easly.b17 pilots called it the butcher bird.it cannot be everywhere in the sametime.winner is always right im not german but this machine has done its job very well.only lacked in numbers and some well trained pilots and petrol in later war.it is not matter what happened at the end for me.im only interested in aircrafts and aviation.and this beast is a god dammit good piece of engineering art.this is for sure german engineering is undoubtedly the best ever.
@still_guns
@still_guns 12 лет назад
flying legends 2009. I was there
@honneferjung
@honneferjung 12 лет назад
Eine Super-Maschine! Die Tommys nannten sie "Butcher-Bird"
@kutseena
@kutseena 12 лет назад
@Holztransistor last I heard flugwerk was building a D9 using an Allison engine.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 12 лет назад
@grazyarnie I read that Roush Aerospace (Roush Racing) was gearing up to produce new Merlins, but RR would not license it. They do make Merlin parts, as do other places. I've not heard anything about BMW or Mercedes and licensing. Custom parts are made for those engines when needed. The main issues with new engines are low demand for the high costs in tooling and liability issues for any shop that could do the work. Lawyers scare them away if you crash a million dollar airplane.
@shabakapeno359
@shabakapeno359 2 года назад
masterpiece
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 12 лет назад
@PangeaSpreads There is one WWII original Fw190 (restored original, not a replica) that now flies with an original BMW and you can find videos of it. It took six core engines to get enough parts to build a working BMW, so it was a challenging rebuild. Two more BMW-powered Fw190s are under slow restoration for future flight, as are three long-nose Dora examples. The German restorations are challenging with complex engines and lack of parts. Cost of ownership was a factor for these replica kits.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 11 лет назад
The Fw190 ditched in water with considerable damage. The pilot was OK and sold the wreck after it was lifted from the water. To date, three of the replica Fw190 have been involved in accidents, the other two being ground-loops.
@dariosljubura1175
@dariosljubura1175 10 лет назад
for heaven's sake, what a nice plane...
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 12 лет назад
One of twenty-one replicas with the Ash engines built from a production run in Germany and sold to buyers as kits. (Buyer final assembly was a cost-saving ownership plan.) Only one original is flying, soon to be joined by one or two more.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 12 лет назад
There several D-9 projects underway, but a long time from complete. Three airworthy and two static display.
@yorumlar1
@yorumlar1 12 лет назад
German machines never outclassed or outperformed. only outnumbered.
@yorumlar1
@yorumlar1 12 лет назад
if look closer to the Fw's desing it has very sophisticated that it has done its' job.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 11 лет назад
The other Fw190 never flew because the British CAA would never grant it an airworthiness permit due to construction details different from wartime original Fw190s. It was sold to a German buyer and recently flew for a short while. The flying Fw190 in the video was registered in France. It crashed after a prop failure and the wreck sold to a new buyer who is having it rebuilt in Germany.
@Bravox84
@Bravox84 9 лет назад
sorry for my english - but some guys her ask "where was the FW at D-Day. i try to say something: The Main-Fighter of the Luftwaffe was the ME109. She was the same level like the spitfire but very hard to handle the airplane for beginners. the luftwaffe lost many pilots because starts and landings. the FW should be the new main fighter but the war was nearly over and they cant bring all the planes they need. same like the "tiger" tank. the FW was the best fighter in ww... the most ace by me109 but yes... the fw had no time in this area to show the true power. finaly they work in the first fight jed but u know... war was over :-))) before the ww2 starts - the military-ing. says - they neeed till 1945-47 to build all the planes and tanks.. at D day - the elite of german luftwaffe and wehrmacht was death or in "prisms" and it was still hard to beat the wall....
@luxaeterna100
@luxaeterna100 4 года назад
The war was not nearly over tho. The Fw-190 entered service 1941.
@hansmoss7395
@hansmoss7395 2 года назад
When D day took place, the Germans had 500 aircraft of all sorts in France. The allies had 11,000 aircraft in GB.
@sbchelldiver
@sbchelldiver 14 лет назад
Those were the days, when fighter pilots went out to fly in their street dress uniforms,with tie & all, like The Few, in their Skyblue uniforms...no pressure suits, no crash helmets, no electrical heating, just a leather helmet & an oxygen mask & flight boots; the Germans & Soviets wearing their medals, very stylish, yet very deadly; but that was the way it was!!!
@LeanJena
@LeanJena 4 года назад
Nice
@whitdog57
@whitdog57 13 лет назад
You can google if it's HFC's bird, or the historic flight out of England and ask them directly through the contact us icon. They should be able to solve this mystery.
@thelonelydrummer1
@thelonelydrummer1 11 лет назад
wirklich eine meiner lieblingsmaschienen. Wäre da nicht dieses schreckliche Zeichen...
@christopherslane7830
@christopherslane7830 Год назад
Is that the BMW 801? Started right up unlike U.S. radials.
@ianevans2854
@ianevans2854 3 года назад
Are there any videos of both the Focke Wulfs seen here flying together (wouldn't that be a sight)?
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 3 года назад
+Ian Evans No, not at Duxford. The yellow rudder "Black 1" was registered in France and flyable. The second example was registered in the UK and was never issued a permit to fly for technical reasons. "Black 1" suffered a prop failure in 2010 and went down in shallow salt water on the French coast, and was recovered. It was sold and spent many years in rebuild and is now flying again. Both examples are now in Germany and both are now flying in new colors, so there is a better chance they will fly together eventually. cdn.jetphotos.com/full/5/72943_1570685588.jpg pbs.twimg.com/media/EFdfxJUU4AQanlS.jpg
@1airplane21
@1airplane21 12 лет назад
Are you kidding? The 109 and spitfire are very similar aircraft with each with an area where one marginally excels over the other. The spitfire did not have fuel injection so it could not pull negative g's so 109 could escape them this way. The only reasons that spitfires were so successful was because of the 109's short, range more crashed in the channel than were shot down because of this. If you kill ratio is even accurate it would be because of poor pilot training later in the war.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 14 лет назад
@victoriaecofurniture One of 20 replica Fw190s built by FlugWerk in Germany. They are not 100% accurate and substitute a Chinese/Russian ASh-82 engine of similar weight and performance. Two or three FlugWerk examples were converted to D9 configuration but none fly yet and are awaiting final build and engine choice (two will be original Jumo 213 engines.) Paperwork issues kept the other Fw190 in the vid on the ground and now it's been sold to Germany. Two original wartime Fw190s will fly soon.
@TheDeJureTour
@TheDeJureTour 13 лет назад
@thephilster57 What do you mean by "too late"? The FW-190 was introduced in 1941..........that doesn't sound "too late" to me. Also, the D-9 model (late war) was a bit slower than the P-38L Lightning, P-47D Thunderbolt, and the P-51D Mustang respectively. Look it up for yourself if you do not believe me. Keep in mind, that if the war had continued for just a few more months, the P-47 & P-51 were on track to become much faster! The P-47N & P-51H were already being produced at wars end...
@selowhgts6133
@selowhgts6133 3 года назад
3:26 the REAL butcher bird is seen flying just to the top of the 190.
@victoriaecofurniture
@victoriaecofurniture 14 лет назад
Can't believe I just saw two FW-190 side by side! Is the other one also in flying condition? Who owns it? Where can I find out more about it? Thanks!
@TtimWh
@TtimWh 12 лет назад
Fuck that thing is awesome, wat a beast!
@PpaStrmpf
@PpaStrmpf 10 лет назад
Würger flies again. I see Fw not FW is that original BMW 801D-2 engine? Beside high altitude compressor issues this airplane had one of best engines in WWII. If we remember at that time it had an ''computer'' (Kommandogerät) for automatic injection adjustment...Kurt Tank done it well.
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 10 лет назад
ASh-82 radial, not the original BMW. There is currently only one fully original Fw190 that flies with the BMW.
@PpaStrmpf
@PpaStrmpf 10 лет назад
FiveCentsPlease Thank you.
@19Koty96
@19Koty96 9 лет назад
PpaStrmpf But it's a shame that on Fw-190 they have this 82's and that there is no La-5 (or 7) flyable (they had the 82's) ... hmm... but it's reasonable - noone would allow you to fly a wooden whatever :D
@andrewnielsen3178
@andrewnielsen3178 6 лет назад
Wow you are just so wrong about wooden construction. If tiger moths were aluminium there wouldn't be half as many flying.
@falcrum19
@falcrum19 13 лет назад
@musicbruv yeah i dont know it well, somewhere i read something from a russian Engine built under license in China.
@goldfing5898
@goldfing5898 3 года назад
Yes, the Shvetsov ASh-82, which is very similar to the BMW 801D (14 cylinders, twin-row, 41.2 versus 41.8 litres, about 1700 to 1900 hp.
@captainkapalot9644
@captainkapalot9644 8 лет назад
I have the same camo in birds of steel
@1GUNSQUIRREL
@1GUNSQUIRREL 12 лет назад
i love the the butcher bird
@williamcap2236
@williamcap2236 2 года назад
The butcher bird ! 🇩🇪❤
@EnterpriseXI
@EnterpriseXI 13 лет назад
so are these 190s are like the me-262 replicas? they use original plans to build it right
@1airplane21
@1airplane21 12 лет назад
Yes but it still could not follow directly in a dive which gives the 109 ample time to move away
@henery09
@henery09 4 года назад
Nice plane sounds great how old is it, in great shape thanks
@FiveCentsPlease
@FiveCentsPlease 4 года назад
+henery09 New-build replica with some changes.
@1airplane21
@1airplane21 12 лет назад
It is to a certain extent, many german weapons were superior to the allies but because the allies could produce more they were just overwhelmed in the end.
@katahajimeudegarame2397
@katahajimeudegarame2397 4 года назад
i hate when people erases the swastika, whats their problem with history? god job on keepin it real much props
@dodibenabba1378
@dodibenabba1378 4 года назад
..... well they're communists you see...
@1airplane21
@1airplane21 12 лет назад
That may be so but that also means it can not follow a 109 in a dive
@sionlim1
@sionlim1 4 года назад
MAMA MIA !!
@Noszkovonye
@Noszkovonye 13 лет назад
@FiveCentsPlease thx and can you send me some infos about the authentic FW? Has it video on youtube? Or webpage on the internet?
@GoRockQuads
@GoRockQuads 12 лет назад
Depends.
@tennisguy96
@tennisguy96 11 лет назад
Is this with the original bmw radial?
@Burnsengine
@Burnsengine 12 лет назад
wow.
@TheFunkhouser
@TheFunkhouser 2 года назад
Starts off at 1:02 btw.
@yorumlar1
@yorumlar1 12 лет назад
There was refuel and resupply advantage for Raf.Luftwaffe had 800 fighters and raf had 660 fighter.Luftwaffe had to fly miles for target but a single raf plane could make sorties anytime it needed.Raf had a huge base advantage.most of 109's were ordered to bombers not to intercept fighters. 109 was way better than s.fire and hurrican almost all criterions;Speed,acceleration,climb rate,diving speed,engine durability,firepower only there was a slightly maneuver adv for rf you dont talk about facts
@Holztransistor
@Holztransistor 13 лет назад
Seems I was wrong about the BMW 801D. There is at least one Fw 190A with it and it's fly-worthy. Search on YT: Fw190D Engine Runs And: FHC's FW-190 A5 Start up and taxi test
@yorumlar1
@yorumlar1 12 лет назад
can you tell me whic era they outclassed the fw?190 was one of the most technological aircraft of ww2 with beast performance. 190 d9 could overwhelm both s.fire and mustang and it was the most unforgiving machine at low to mid alt. luftwaffe suffered transportation,petrol and numerical problems in later war. in early war german machines almost untouchable both 109 and 190.even for s.fire and cobras after 1943 luftwaffe lost the control of skies and allied forces vastly outnumbered luftwaffe.
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