Buying a USED Hertz Tesla Model 3 EV: Is it worth it? 

What year is the one you bought?

Didn’t know you get the tax credit for used

@@Ibrahim-hj6mn 2022

@shroomssadow4981 as long as it is less than $25k www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/used-clean-vehicle-credit

@@shroomssadow4981 www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/used-clean-vehicle-credit

Thats literally the same on every rental car. People just trash them.

Thanks for the info. I love hearing this. I do know for a fact that some ride share Model 3s have had battery replacement already from what some friends who work within the automotive industry but these cars were 3x-4x a day and on the road for 18 hours. I’d have loved to do a battery health test but sadly just didn’t have the time.

You seem to be missing the point that most of the cars being sold had 80-90k miles put on them in 2 years not 10. They have also had WAY more charge cycles put on the battery.

@@MrJturner74 and you seem to miss the point of math smart guy. (X) amount of battery capacity X range per mi = distance driven = total charges. My 159k vehicle would have twice as many total charges than an equivalent battery that has the same efficiency at half the mileage. - ah, but the Model 3 is far more efficient than my heavier Model S, and therefore travels further per kWh, further reducing the number of total charges needed to travel the same number of miles as my less efficient Model S. Want to do the math yourself? Just look at the kWh/mi rating for a 2014 Model S P85+ (my car) and compare that to a 2021/22 standard range or long range Model 3. Then divide the number of miles by the range efficiency of each vehicle. In addition to having about a third of charging done, there’s also the factor of time where the Model 3 has 1/4 the age. And that also doesn’t factor that my Model S runs on first gen batteries powering a heavier, less efficient motor, without additional efficiency advantages that the Model 3, such as heat pumps and twice the regenerative braking on their dual motor models (mine is a single motor). Please research and do the math before posting inaccurate assumptions about how you think the Model 3 has more wear on its battery than my decade old first gen Performance Model S.

@@MrJturner74 and if you think the numeracy of charges equal the total amount of charging, you’d also be mistaken. To help you with your math, three 1/3 SOC charges = 1 full charge. The number of times a battery can be recharged is rated as 1 charge = one full cycle. Plugging in to charge 10%, ten times does not equate to ten charges, but one charge cycle. You can’t make up your own definition of what equates to the numeracy of charges and base degradation on bad mathematics. What you should factor are how often charging is done past 80 or 90% or how often the battery is depleted below 10 or 20% on NMH cells.. but this should be largely disregarded on base model LiFe cells, which many of Hertz rentals were. Simply put, there far less to worry about with regards to battery degradation on these recently built Model 3 Hertz rentals than my 10 year old 1st gen Performance Model S, which I would contend, has been driven harder for many more miles than most renters have driven base Model 3’s. If you owned a decade old Tesla, or have purchased five battery electric vehicles these past ten years, you too would have a better understanding of what equates to degradation and what doesn’t. And my Model S isn’t even the oldest BEV I own. I also have an 11 year old smart electric drive and a 9 year old electric drive that are also on their original batteries with no issues. And those don’t even have anything close to the BMS that Tesla uses. I’m actually thankful that so many people are misinformed or mistaken about battery degradation or mileage on BEV’s, as it means far lower prices and better deals for myself and my family to buy. I’m just here to let you know that you and those that are scared of premature battery degradation only help increase the value of used BEV’s. Those of us who actually know that high mileage or frequent supercharging has much less effect on remaining SOC continue to take advantage of this. Honestly, if you wish to continue to Belice you are correct, it only helps people like me who are more than happy to pay less for what you think is not going to last, then proceed to drive out EV’s for a decade and beyond. I’ve been told that I should prepare to prepare to replace my battery after just a year or two, or after only 20k or 30k miles.. then when I passed this point in time and mileage, many people continued to say, oh, you likely will have your battery fail any day now and prepare to shell out 30k for a new battery, etc.. and so on and so on, every year since I’ve been driving BEV’s. Some were shocked when I reached 5 years of use.. 7 years of use, 10 years of use.. well, what can I say? If you still don’t believe this is true, come over to SoCal and see the vehicles and view their odometers for yourself. Run their VINS in carfax for all I care and check their maintenance history. Seeing is believing. Heck, hop in the passenger seat, and I’ll floor it and you’ll still feel the same acceleration as it has since the day it was made. And you can extrapolate how much range it still has and compare it to its original EPA rated range. Again, the math doesn’t lie. But should you somehow still not be convinced, well, as I said, that only works to my advantage when I and others are able to buy a preowned EV for far less that it should sell for, simply based on unsubstantiated fears. Either way, here’s my response to your post. Take it as fact or not. Or how about checking back in this thread 4 years from now when my oldest EV turns 15.. and please ask me how the original battery is doing. I’m quite confident it will be just fine then, and even beyond 15 years of use.

@@evolv.e TLDR: I wasn't talking about someone using 10% then recharging, I was talking about having to use a supercharger 2 or 3 times a day because they have depleted the battery driving for UBER or LYFT.

Same here. I’d buy that car is priced accordingly. As I mentioned in the video though the rebates are good here but you will eat the depreciation. The hertz cars are at the bottoms of the curve if priced correctly. The LFP pack actually started to recover as I was L2 charging at home. But iirc rated range when new was 434km and 100% was 420 Indicated so Tessie was pretty accurate.

Do your mean that Hertz actually rented out LR or Performance versions? No wonder they had lots of repair costs after customer accidents. These are as powerful as the fastest AMG sports cars.

@@vasil7410 I’m on holiday now and picked up a Model 3 LR here at Hertz in Ultra Red. The issue isn’t the cars it’s people with no sense of how to drive.

I have 159k on my ten year old 1st gen Model S and it’s still going strong with nearly every charge being done at a Supercharger (grandfathered in for unlimited SC for life). It may help that the battery’s SOC rarely goes outside of the 25-80% range, but still retains 90% of its original range. Many other owners have reported online that they’re only seeing 12% degradation at 200k miles, so I’m not worried at all about driving this another ten years.

@@simplygregsterev Absolutely. The problem is that the anti EV crowd and the Murdoch media turn every story about EVs into some kind of armageddon.

Thank You for the kind words

Great to hear! Thanks for watching

yeah. I would expect LFP chemistry should really do fine with lots of supercharging.

i been wanted a tesla. after seeing this i want one even moreeeee

@@alicemone yeah. If you get one off hertz rental definitely get one with LFP

@@jamesp5301 for sure. They say LFP batteries are on 2022 Standard range 3/Ys but not long range right?

120k or how many years? Which ever comes first?

They're about $22k I saw.

Theres like 700+ on Hertz site for sale right now

​@@TheFrenchPug22k for a car with less then 80k km warranty

@@polska905 Can you get extended warranties on them?

@@TheFrenchPug just get a brand new Chevy spark with a manual for under 13k...lol

$30k CAD not USD. So about $22k

$22k is what I have seen as well.

I just got a 2021 30K miles, one owner for $26K from Tesla

Thanks for watching

My sister bought a used cheap Hyundia in 2019 with less then 25k miles. It's now at 60K miles and still no issues.

Great point!

Thanks for the comment

@@simplygregsterevFigured it would add some value to your video. 🤙

That's a blanket statement. The amount you charge to and how long it sat at a hight SOC is the biggest factor. The Hertz car probably sat at a high SOC or longer periods than I would prefer, however.

2019 LR Model 3 - I'm at 92,484 and haven't replaced anything except for tires.

They replaced my upper control arms and another linkages which I forgot the name after 22 months of ownership of model Y. Quality is below par but I still enjoy the Y though

​@@welbyroberto6581Part of the reason Hertz and Sixt ditching them. Also the gigacasting makes them expensive to repair

degradation doesn't mean the battery will last long. usually when the battery fails it goes quick.

@@ashishpatel350 Interesting. I didnt know that.

Make sure you ask them if they are enrolled with the IRS to do the $4000 instant point of sale off the sale price that same day if not go somewhere else

Yea it’s from the luggage! A piece of ppf would have solved it. I’m actually in Orlando now and have a Model 3 LR from hertz

@@simplygregsterev piece of ppf?

Paint Protection Film@@manp1039

paint protection film @@manp1039

@@manp1039 poly propylene film...

They started off at 16k

That is a crazy deal! Congrats

For 20k it's pretty unbeatable ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DSRWKxytW40.html

BMW's are notorious for having thinks break. That's why they are never at the top of the reliability charts with Toyota. Mine was always in the shop for something. Fun to drive, though!

just a car as long it drive..nice french mentality ,🤤

Much appreciated!

Kim Java channel has a good Model 3 story documented about a ride share Tesla battery failure issues. Scary to own a Tesla that was constantly supercharged.

Well the scary thing about that story was the owner even said the degradation came on so fast that he feels that Tesla bricked his HV battery and the battery wouldn’t go beyond 35% or something like that. That’s crazy. And Tesla was only willing to help him after his story went viral.

I’d buy it too if the price was right.

I always thought that rental cars received regular maintenance. After I bought a Hertz with 36K miles, it was obvious that most of the filters had never been changed. Not a good deal.

@@mattdecker6791 Filters are cheap. I thought you were going to have a real horror story about a mechanical defect that posed a safety hazard and/or was going to be expensive.

With Tesla you get the keycard and app access by scanning a QR code

@@simplygregsterev Thank you!

There are aftermarket options for control arms now from Febi Bilstein etc. The marketplace is better than it was before

@@simplygregsterev$25-27k cad or usd ? I’m in Canada , just want to know what’s a fair market price here in Canada

I don't agree with all the people saying "Tesla vehicles eat tires". My previous car history have mostly been 200 to 350hp vehicles which were sports cars with excellent handling and low profile tires. My idea of how long a tire should lasts may differ from other people because other people may be used to driving non-performance vehicles such as a Camry, Corolla, Civic, Accord, etc. Yes, Teslas all have nearly 300hp and more. Mine has nearly 500hp. I'm getting between 35,000 and 55,000km on tires. It depends on what type of tire, how you drive it, and when you decide it needs to be replaced. Maybe those non-performance vehicles can get 65 to 80k out of a set of tires, but Teslas are all high horsepower vehicles with instant torque. Most people aren't used to that.

Did you also change your own oil? I've never figured out where the oil filter is on these. Easy to find in the Cyber Truck but maybe that's because it's right behind the frunk.

​@@PurpleSideBlackKnew a guy who used to work at Firestone. If he wasn't working, he was always sleeping. I asked him once if he had ever been to a doctor to see if there were any issues like hormonal imbalances or anything in his bloodwork. He said he actually had, because he didn't know what was up either. Said his doctor said everything was fine. Apparently because of where he worked, he was just always tired.

That's why Tesla stock has went off a cliff.

My 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance has been maintenance free still on the original tires. The control arms noise issue on some cars you could actually live with if you don’t mind a little noise. Besides no maintenance I also really like getting 300 miles for just $6.00 of electricity on a 500 horsepower car

39k for the base. Base models are way different than the dual motor, and even the performance

He's talking in CAD, not USD. So factor the exchange rate too.

Trust me the cars HAVE been rented, the reason Hertz is dumping them is the battery warranty is about to expire due to mileage.

Plenty of people rented them. Hertz doesn’t have a good track record of making good decisions. Buying high and selling low is pretty stupid. They could just keep them and lower the rental cost on them to drive them into the ground since they already are taking the depreciation on it. They are back on track for another bankruptcy.

Agreed, Hertz probably bought too many Teslas for their fleet too quickly. Part of that may have been due to the shortage of available cars for purchase from the regular manufacturers. The other thing that the news media failed to point out is the Teslas Hertz is selling have mileage similar to the ICE cars they sell used so it isn't like the Teslas sat unused and they couldn't rent them.

How can you check the battery health before buying?

@@gunaygultekin recurrent. Its a website that monitors a teslas battery health. I believe the vehicles have to be put in it. My co worker who has used it said not every owner does it. Im currently on my 5th day driving the vehicle. I noticed a small amount of under carriage damage yesterday. In the process of getting a claim but tesla wont touch the vehicle untill my state registration is complete. Aside from that. The vehicle drives great. No transfer of ownership issues as far as the app goes. Still has a battery w warranty of a lil less than 7years/100k miles Basic car warranty is there for another 2 years/50k miles. There is the drive train? Warranty as well

Apple App Store. You need to have the car plugged in.

@@simplygregsterev I not sure what you mean by "plugged in". Do you mean charging? What other way?

Battery is still covered for 8 years 160k federal law. The rest of the stuff is off warranty

I think this is the big point being missed is there are a bunch of used EVs about to hit the market. While I’m not sure of exact price points the fact so many will be around will bring down prices overall and possibly help adoption.

Don't do it if you dont have a lot of money to deal with repair issues, especially with a rental car that is treated poorly and likely seen a lot of careless driving. Also the EV industry is taking full advantage of making major change to turn vehicles from repairable to throwaway with more ways to achieve total loss where they write the car off in the insurance industry. The battery is along the entire bottom of the Tesla and if you hit anything even a small dent the battery may need to be replaced for tens of thousands of dollars. We've seen $60'000 battery quotes for some Hyundai's that are older and more than the cost of the car. There are a lot of examples of Tesla's with premature battery failure even when the degradation is minimal. It is rare but the way its designed it's out of your control. If that happens your insurance premiums will double or worse if you cant afford the massive repair cost and they need to write it off. They way I see it is no different than whats happening with everything we purchase nowadays. Phones, tablets, digital appliances, laptops, flashlights, bluetooth speakers etc.. are all being designed with built in batteries giving them a shelf life. It's a way for business to make more money when you need a new one after a few years and pass the costs on to the consumers!

If the HVAC system fails there is a chance it causes battery damage and power train damage as its responsible for cooling and heating the critical components of the battery, electric motors etc... The newer heat pump HVAC systems in a Tesla are pretty over-complicated and also have heat scavenging compared to a ICE. I've seen one Tesla owner already on RU-vid documenting this with pretty costly repairs, he needed a flatbed tow truck to get it to Tesla service to.

RU-vidr documenting that HVAC issue was iowa tesla guy.

Don't do it, most of the cars being sold are about to have the battery warranty expire due to mileage.

Good comment!

Classic Nissan Leaf and Battery Degradation. That's where all the myths come from...

@@simplygregsterevYep, it's what happens with a 1st attempt Nissan battery without any cooling. I'm sure the engineers warned Execs numerous times about it too. Later "lizard" batteries from Nissan actually adapted the battery chemistry nicely such that it kept it's range still without active cooling.

Canada has been metric for around 45 years

out of warranty used cars, everything is on the buyer, no buybacks, at least in CA

Where not just hertz?

@@jameltanderson Just Hertz afaik

Charging non LFP batteries 100% frequently kills them. Super Chargers do not kill the batteries. This has been proven in a recent study. The Uber driver poorly maintained the battery pack because he did not know.

@@PM-wc1lp ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FW7Ci978DvQ.html Here is the exact driver BEFORE the battery died at 110,000 miles. He describes contacting Tesla and being told he can occassionally go to 100% if he drives down the batter charge right away. When the battery actually dies they tell him he is beyong coverage at 110,000 miles. They tell him Teslas are not made for heavy duty use. He was using a supercharger twice a day. He was listening to the advice of Tesla as to what % charge he could do. So in his case the supercharger killed his Model 3; and he didn't go to 100 much and if he did he drove the car immediately; which Tesla's people said he could do. Reality probably is Teslas really can't manage that level of cycles and that number of cycles over a short time require a supercharger to do it.

Paint is superficial. How about the suspension? Differential? HVAC and heat exchangers? Rust? Those are the important and expensive things to repair.

The cheap ones got bought up fairly quickly. There were plenty of $22k model 3s that qualified for the Federal $4k used EV rebate, making them $18k cars.

I worked at a Ford dealership in the late seventies. When we sold a new car it would go into the wash bay and the untrained worker would pour comet on it. Just shows you how little the Dealers give a damn.

CAD$

@@simplygregsterev can’t find a model 3 here in BC for less than $30000 . Everyone asking for $33000-35000 for 2020. 2022 and higher are $40000.

@@jimwu6373 they are really starting to drop here

CDN$

k thx. wow that's much less. But yeah I basically agree. I probably wouldn't even buy a hertz model 3 at 27k canadian. Honestly I would think twice if the price were less than that. I saw former rentals (briefly) available at about 18k american. @@simplygregsterev

@@PeterJames143 the ex hertz are retail at 31-33k CDN from what i see. Wholesale 25-28k