Buying Property in Portugal (is it worth it?)

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@TravelBeans Год назад

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@katherinebuterbaugh8470 Год назад

That was a great video and the land and all they built was very beautiful. But the most important thing is do you guy's want to live there it would be your home so it would be your decision I don't think anyone can really tell you. I mean we can tell you if we like it and opinions but everything else is up to you do you want to live there? Very nice and cozy but decision is in your hands. Love and Prayers Always and will see you in the next video. I don't think the baby was awake that whole video.💕🙏🌹

@dib4152 Год назад

Hey Beans just letting you know the Mars webpage you have linked had a major glitch when I tried it on my Android phone. Probably a problem on my end but luckily, I can't afford it anyway 😂

@TheNewbys Год назад

Ahh guys! We so loved having you to stay, and wish you all the very best in whatever direction this property hunting journey takes you - and of course we hope you’ll be our neighbours soon!!! ❤❤❤

@joannemazza1657 Год назад

So glad you enjoyed each other, was nice seeing your community growing. Love to see more. Double yoked eggs doesn't get better. Yes, Madeira is a must visit. Cheers🙏🥰🏖️🏖️🏖️🇵🇹

@andynightingale7335 Год назад

What a place you have, and lovely little family too.

@bridgwll Год назад

@@HappyDuckingHomesteadthe chickens are free range. You’re having a laugh. Double yolks are from young chickens. When they get older you don’t get them.

@HappyDuckingHomestead Год назад

@bridgwll wasn't having a laugh at anyone. Was always told that is what they were from so that was my understanding.

@ivamariah2288 Год назад

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@tvngo85 Год назад

Alex and Emma should visit Brittany and Drew, Mr and Mrs Adventure, and see the 1st stage of building a home in Portugal.

@sue7190 Год назад

Did you also visit the Scotters who live 15 minutes from the Newbys- it is a very special place.

@joanbroadway759 Год назад

It was so fun to watch you and the Newby's together. You're two of my very favourite RU-vid families.

@SA-hf3fu Год назад

Having grown up on a farm I can tell you that it is very hard work to keep it all up! I’m amazed that your friends still manage to travel because someone has to take care of the animals, garden and property while they’re gone. You can’t just go traveling and leave the chickens in a pen without care. Hopefully they have loads of good tips for you. 🥰👍🏼

@jimm8682 Год назад

They used to travel and now do not very often and pay neighbours to take care of the animals.

@SA-hf3fu Год назад

@@jimm8682 Ok, good. That's what I meant by giving them good tips. I know you just can't have animals, orchards, lawn and a garden without having someone to to feed, water, clean, harvest and deal with what's harvested. Thanks 👍

@LindaTNunes Год назад

Agree. Living in California wine country, the minute I heard the family plans to grow grapes and make wine, my thought was “that’ll last 5 minutes until they find out the work involved”

@SA-hf3fu Год назад

@@LindaTNunes 😉 Exactly. Plus, no one’s going to care for your vineyard like you do. People who’ve never lived in a rural setting tend to think farming and ranching are fun and relaxing. Sheesh! Chores and weeds are relentless and then throw in kids, schedules, buildings, tools and machinery to maintain. We also had milk cows so ‘vacations’ were something we had heard about! 😄

@goulash75 Год назад

@@SA-hf3fu We grew up on a farm. My mother told my father, if he ever got milking cows, that would be instant grounds for divorce. I don't think she was joking.

@bunnielynn777 Год назад

Thanks for taking us along in your adventure to Portugal & to visit other RU-vidrs! Prayers for properly search, may you find the perfect location!

@neresq Год назад

Pretty much every much every European YT'er that I follow is looking for property in Portugal right now.

@Botoburst Год назад

Here in the U.S. the fad is Colorado.

@TheOnlyKingBee 9 месяцев назад

No wonder we can't afford houses anymore... 90 000€ is completely unaffordable for us.

@jilllangman9343 Год назад

If you are serious about this, it would be a good idea to watch a few videos on the difficulties of buying property in Portugal. The red tape for everything is quite prolonged and requires a new level of patience. I learnt a few useful things. Do not borrow money in Portugal or use an agent. Learn the language and always take a Portugese speaker to appointments, preferably a lawyer. It sounds too hard for me. I shall enjoy watching you do it though. Love from Australia. 🌈🦜🐨🇦🇺

@eyeswideshut_icu3426 Год назад

Aussie Aussie Aussie

@mreppen1 Год назад

I’m assuming the process is easier for EU citizens.

@danellis-jones1591 Год назад

@@mreppen1 Probably not much, and of course British people are no longer EU citizens. Australia has a very simple hoyse-buying process in comparison to the UK. And I know France is more complicated again. But I guess you just get prepared and find stupid documents like grandparents birth certificates!

@mreppen1 Год назад

@@danellis-jones1591 yep. My Canadian relatives retired in Mexico near Guadalajara in 2005. They went through the buying process there and it was pretty easy. Of course there is a lot of Canadian and American expats down there, that do support the community.

@danellis-jones1591 Год назад

@@mreppen1 This is immigration. And I know there are valid social issues with big influxes of people with different cultures, but I do like to remind people (not aiming this at you, I mean generally) that immigration is a 2 way street.

@bridgetalves5667 Год назад

I love it when two of my favourite RU-vidrs do a collab! Loved this video, was wonderful to see you guys experience farm life with the Newby’s - they’re awesome. Looking forward to seeing your next video about your property search adventures 🥰And baby Noah is just sooooo cute 🥰

@mlengefeld Год назад

Hey! Sending you a welcome to Portugal from a couple of American transplants in Lisbon! We moved here in 2020 and never looked back. Best of luck and hope you find a great property!

@einzgeisha Год назад

I love this and I'm happy to get ideas as well. I love the Newby's home steading/farm life and it is very intentional for the family as a whole. I like that they gave us insight on a different type of life.

@irenemathieson4229 Год назад

I so enjoyed this video! As a new subscriber I am looking forward to seeing what your future has in store for you. I follow several families on RU-vid who have bought land in Portugal, they are all loving the country. Good luck finding your special place.

@debrandw246 11 месяцев назад

I loved Farmville. Beautiful video. Thank you so much.

@ba3140 Год назад

Oh I love this family, I am so happy to see you together with them in this video!

@cinephilewannabetheoriginal Год назад

The babies are so adorable 🥰 Love seeing Noah getting bigger. So cute like a mini Alex 🥰

@lizabethvillacorte4079 Год назад

Loving this episode most especially because I love these two couples who I both follow on you tube!!! Thank you for sharing this exciting adventure of yours!

@pedropulido4570 Год назад

i'm from Portugal. I have friends living all over the country. Trust me when i say this - consider Madeira. Great island, special prices for Madeira residents to fly to mainland Portugal, awesome infrastructure, but perhaps more importantly, great health system (much better than mainland), good schools, cheaper lifestyle and overall more quality. I'm from Porto, i love my city, but definitely recommend you take a serious look at Madeira.

@Alex-bu6xi Год назад

Let me bring other perspective to this. I'm from Açores, the other portuguese archipel (born and raised there, living in Lisbon for the past 14 years). Madeira might be appealing, but it is still an island, and even though the weather is much better than in Açores, sometimes is bad as well, and the skies won't let you arrive, or leave. There is no other airport, there is no train or boat, you just cant do anything, it is completely out of your control (is the price you pay to live in a piece of heaven). Madeira have one of the most challenging airports in the entire world. It is something you get use to, specially if you have family there, but would not be my choice. It is something that happen in the mainland as well, but not with the same "intensity". If you guys were a retired couple, or looking to a place to spend the majority of your time, I would totally agree with this! But if I was someone chosing a place to plant my roots, while still exploring the world and moving from the UK and the USA (maybe with some cheap and non refundable tickets) I would never ever chose an island. Although I hope, if you pursue with the plan, that you take the time to explore both archipels!! Nice and safe travels for you three! 😊❤

@Brian-jk2ih Год назад

No more American national parks via camper van?????

@tonys1636 Год назад

@@Alex-bu6xi They already live on an island, Britain, albeit a lot larger with infrastructure that sometimes works.

@Alex-bu6xi Год назад

@@tonys1636 I know Britain is an island. But I think we can agree that an island bigger than whole Portugal, and so close to the continent mainland, doesn't suffer from the same weather conditions as a tiny island in the middle of the ocean :)

@jj-if6it Год назад

@@Brian-jk2ih they'll still be doing that

@Outoftheboxwithfelicia Год назад

The outdoor projector was good. I'm glad you guys are enjoying your travels.

@mateojorabez6906 Год назад

I love watching The Newbys' videos, but seeing their lovely home thru your eyes was even more enjoyable!!! Tudo de bom para vocês na sua procura.

@carleen7508 Год назад

Loving this video - my two favorite RU-vid channels having a crossover episode! ❤

@juliafuhrmann369 Год назад

My absolute favorite two channels meet up 💕 when I heard you landed in Porto I was hoping this would happen 😄👍 absolutely enjoyed both of your videos. As already commented on the Newbys video, kudos to John for letting Alex use a loaded nail gun 🤣 now kudos to Alex for actually not hurting himself nor anybody else 😜 nice job on the screen 👍 🤗 Really enjoyed both of your videos. Looking forward to seeing you next week

@phyliciajoykloes Год назад

This is such a beautiful vlog and vibe! Wow. The greenery, the nature. Stunning!

@tammyoverton2518 Год назад

So glad to see you all together since we love BOTH of your channels so much!! The Newby's are my early Sunday morning must watch!! Exciting to see what you guys decide! Love and Hugs from North Carolina!!

@mickiminx Год назад

What a great video! The Beans & the Newbys together!! ❤️👍

@rainsofhealing Год назад

Absolutely lovely in every way! Thanks for sharing this with us!

@africangraham Год назад

The fact that you are thinking about Portugal is so awesome. We are also moving from Kenya to Portugal for good, in September. We will need to be closer to Lisbon Airport (1 hr north) for work travel. Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe a trip across to Morocco.

@isbjrn358 Год назад

Super interesting, especially because I don't experienced Portugal at all yet. Looking really forward to your journey and i'm absolutely hyped about your idea owning and building property outside of UK. And boy, what a charming family and beautiful land you were invited to

@petewarby7158 11 месяцев назад

Another feel-good-bean experience, lovely video :) thank you for taking the time to put it all together 😊

@candacetaylor5993 Год назад

I love the love them. It was so exciting to see all of you together. I watch both your channels.

@ilonakatalindako-tolman5545 Год назад

Very nice see no you both together and watched their video as well. They absolutely wonderful and love being in the opportunities of meeting new friends....makes it all better ...and Portuguese farmers are very wonderful friendly people as well..l live in Portugal for 1 year and a half...Coimbra is gorgeous...very historical...😊

@kimmancha4314 Год назад

I am an American who bought property in France (so not an EU Citizen) and it was very easy and straightforward, guided by my French estate agents. I did a small loan which is all paid up now and also - nary a grandparents birth certificate or other random thing was required. I have lived here now for over 15 years. Don't let folks scare you off from your dream. My best comment on my big moving adventure was not to fight stuff; if doors are opening then walk through! and if the process is continuously difficult at every turn then maybe rethink steps and be willing to be flexible and adjust. Go for it!

@earthkeyper Год назад

I look at an abundance of these videos on moving to Portugal. The place that you three came to is ideal. One of the best inviting looks of taking an adventure and making a new start in Portugal. It would be fantastic to see the three of you start and accomplish this challenge. Good Luck

@becorations1 Год назад

Wow! What beautiful country! I don’t think I would need to look anywhere else! I’m looking forward to see where y’all create a home base, but Portugal will be hard to beat based on beauty and cost so far! And thanks for the intro to The Newby’s! I’m off to check them out now. ❤️

@tanya334 Год назад

Beautiful ❤ I would definitely stay to the north, and it seems like much cooler Temps. and the rain shouldn't be too much of a problem for you guys 😊

@soxrox2574 Год назад

Their farm was beautiful. Nothing better than fresh fruit or produce 😋 Good luck on the continued property search.

@myvillagelifeintheupperhar607 Год назад

The property is lovely. That looks like a lot of work. We purchased our home in the Upper Harz in Northern Germany three years ago. We have a large yard, and I spend a good amount of each week mowing, weeding, and landscaping. I love it, but at 53, I firmly believe that retirement will be a low-maintenance apartment. 😅

@jackiebagnall Год назад

I was in that town this April exploring the Douro river region - great to watch you both. Seems half the world has the same idea at the moment - it’s pushing the prices up.

@marybourgeois5235 Год назад

ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!

@janetsandham7058 Год назад

Hi ,from uk , Seen u on the newbies ,thought ok ,another one to follow , Yippie ,thanks newbies for introducing us to another beautiful family , Good luck people ,wish u the best in every thing u do

@MrsBilla-nu8qb Год назад

I’m so happy to see that you visited the Newbys. It’s a lot of fun when some of my very favorite YT people get together. Great video!

@lynmoore8355 Год назад

great Vvlog guys and WOW Portugal looks awesome......... and I am a gardener, I love growing my own vegetables...... haven't quite mastered chooks yet.... love your work Beams and Noah you have a great life ahead of you with your too mum and dad....

@angcam42 Год назад

I am loving the combo of videos between the Beans and the Newbies❤😂

@Pixief13 Год назад

The Newbys house and land is just beautiful ❤ I can’t believe the price of their house too! We bought our first home in the UK just under a year ago and couldn’t believe the prices.

@BernieBMW71 9 месяцев назад

Omg!! I love the Newbys. They’re my 1st vlogger I subscribed to 😊 I’m so enjoying your vlog as well!

@joellinker9899 Год назад

Your channel is one of our (me & my wife) most favorite ones on all of RU-vid. Thanks so much for all your hard work. Also, cute baby 🍼

@blakehahn-atlantaga8510 Год назад

That was so much fun!! You guys are awesome!

@eleanorcramer7986 Год назад

I love to hear them sharing laughs. It’s the best.

@rrrrrhino Год назад

Awesome video!!! ❤ Yes, you're correct, the horizontal logs are for tying your food for the night to keep it safe from bears.

@akeda16 Год назад

Thinking of you both. Have lost both parents and I have cancer now in remission. It’s not fun and glad you’re able to be there for your families.

@robmilligan3650 Год назад

Two of my favourite RU-vid channels collide! Brilliant.

@jobethk588 Год назад

Check out Mr. and Mrs. Adventure. They’ve had quite a roller coaster ride buying their property in Portugal.

@markwdalton Год назад

Yes, I love the Newby's that is how I heard about you! when you visited video. All the best to you.

@rebekahsalt26 Год назад

Loved this sooo much x

@rlmartinusa Год назад

So much fun! Also, I thought it was very kind of them to save their egg collecting from the last week so you could experience true “farm life” Emma! 😂Love you guys! Stay safe! 💖

@bhupindertube 9 месяцев назад

you guys look so happy living in the nature.

@AnneHeyns Год назад

Glad to come across your vlog and a nice surprise to see our most favorite family - the newbys - on it too!

@janetsandham7058 Год назад

Really enjoyed your vidio ,thank u for sharing your trip ,and stay over

@Truth4U638 Год назад

Definitely blessed two massive double yokers. Alex is so lucky. The two of them are so happy together. It gives you a feel good factor. Both of them are just natural presenters. Is it me but when they both talk I can sense their souls smiling❤. What a couple!!

@vintagemoss9578 Год назад

It’s amazing the new skills you can learn. ❤ I grew up learning how to can fruit and vegetables as well as meats, stews and sauces. Also drying herbs, fruits and vegetables. I really think you’d do well.

@reinamoody5239 Год назад

That is a massive movie screen, that sounds great to sit out in the lawn a watch movies 🍿 Y’all did a great job!

@MelindaAustin-dx9pv Год назад

Don't want to come across as the eternal pessimist , BUT self sufficiency is rewarding but HARD WORK. Just been watching video of your friends in Portugal who seem to missing travel!.. Think VERY carefully especially as you say you never finish projects ! Why not rent a place for a year to see how this life pans out over the 4 seasons!

@deborahreynolds1552 Год назад

Yey the Newbies, fantastic family and oh what o home. All that work has paid dividends and then some. Love It! Love you guys too, the new family on the block or is that plane, train & automobile!

@gwynethglas-brown9171 Год назад

Lovely to see you Emma & Alex baby Noah😊 What a Beautiful Farm the picturesque views around , Lush greenery 💕 Yes i can see it also a preference for most. Either Dry Yellow sunny very hot south or the very green fresh ,wet rainy North of the country . Good luck with your Search you never know ,maybe a visit to Maderia an other new place too tick off your Bucket list 😜. A dear friend of mine went there on holiday a few times She loved it 😍 . Have a Good week safe travels 🥰

@ReneeWalker69 Год назад

I’m glad you guys left this comment because I was having a hard time finding your link. I look forward to following you the beans are awesome people and you guys seem nice as well.

@sharonlundquist8433 Год назад

I can see you 3 living in the country in Portugal. I love all the green. As always, take care my 3 favorite beans.

@kookietherapy9398 Год назад

I can 👀 it, too !

@LoremIpsum1970 Год назад

Great video! "You'll never run out of things to do" never a truer word, though more like "You'll never run out of things you had to do yesterday, otherwise..." Still, hard work never killed anyone, after all, and there's the satisfaction of building and growing stuff with your own hands - go for it - otherwise it'll end up being an 'if only we had done...' So, as long as you have a good hospital nearby you'll be fine.

@muallimah65 Год назад

You and Tara look so much alike..as if sisters❤❤. Good luck on your travel.

@EvaAliceD Год назад

I total agree with you 😊

@cathyholt5215 Год назад

How fun! I follow The Newbys too. Good luck with your search.

@lynmoore8355 Год назад

OMG I think I need to come to Portugal...... I love growing my own vegetables which I have been doing here in Adelaide Australia since 2019.... just love it.

@victorpayne6586 Год назад

Very nice, guys.

@sheilacaine Год назад

Looking good Beans.

@RoxanneM- Год назад

Lovely guys! 😍 Yeah be happy! Noah is so adorable, it’s so spooky to see your both faces in one 😁. That double double egg thing must mean something good. 😉 Wishing you the best. 😊👍💕

@marilynwade9448 Год назад

Don't rush. Their propert didn't start out looking like that

@eddiestringer1639 Год назад

I would if I could, we love Portugal

@marybates2201 Год назад

Now that was a suprise seeing you rock up in the Newby's kitchen. My aim is to move to Portugal in a few yrs. For me i want a small village house with a garden where the dogs are safe and where i can grow a few veg. Ideally Northern but happy for Central Portugal too. X

@RoxannBoykin Год назад

All the rain is the universe telling you to stay ❤❤❤love you guys long live the bean family ❤❤

@jennyjones139 Год назад

So glad you met up with the Newbys, also follow them. Looking forward to seeing when your thoughts take you x

@tomassanesson902 Год назад

Sooo awesome good luck to yal 🤘👍

@jacquibrooks7059 Год назад

So strange seeing you sitting at the cafe we sat at two weeks ago. We really loved this area and have considered moving there. We currently live on the Silver Coast in Obidos which again is a very beautiful area.

@mariamiskimmon5437 Год назад

Another great. Video. Love the newbys…………and the beans…….❤

@Bel-ej9go Год назад

This is something we are hoping to do as soon as my youngest finishes college next year. France or Italy for us. It all looks stunning. Go for it. I regret not doing it when are kids are young but other things got in the way..,, Enjoy x

@joemiller1207 Год назад

Eu amo Portugal! ❤️ my partner is Brazilian, but our first holiday together was both our first time to Portugal. We fell in love.

@chrislundberg1 Год назад

Got it all there, love the place .

@tammy6992 Год назад

Loved it

@cunningdeb3129 Год назад

I absolutely adore the smells of wet grass and wet concrete!

@deanne609 Год назад

I love the Newbys!!

@stitchingbythesea1965 Год назад

Brilliant video. Lovely to see all the children and you all, the adults, getting along and laughing together. What a lot of hard work to get to this stage ( for those with serious stamina) but a beautiful lifestyle ❤ Double yolkers - twins all round!! 😂

@susanmcgregor3787 Год назад

Lovely to see your vlog and looking forward to see where your Journey takes you. The Newby's farm is certainly beautiful. Re the 2 double yolks ... I think it means you are all going to be neighbours ...and the next babies for both families will be twins. I just made that up - but who knows????

@Tameasa Год назад

I loved this SO much!! My biological father was Portuguese and I've always wanted to travel there. I never knew him, but it sure would be nice to see where some of my roots are.

@Teresa-K Год назад

*****New subscriber! I have watched your videos on and off and have always enjoyed them. Today I subscribed!

@kathyritchey9526 Год назад

Love the Newbys

@Anniesrandommoments Год назад

New chapter's in one's life is moving forward 🤗

@jj-if6it Год назад

How cool they found all those historic details after buying. The flagstones etc would usually be a big selling point too!

@costasworldofmusicmemories5792 Год назад

Harriet and I say go for it. Portugal is a wonderful place to raise Noah . Take your time in finding the right property that fits your budget, lifestyle. that allows you the time to travel. We are sure you will make the right decision for you and your family. Be Well dear friends ! Sending you much love and affection fom Richmond, Va.❤❤ Harriet, Jim and Yuki

@stephenrussell6074 Год назад

The only issue I would worry about for the two of you is that land is very demanding, you cannot leave it alone for days at times and never for weeks. An apartment would be safer and you could more easily rent it when away yourselves. Otherwise you may be bound to a location

@finaldestination5847 Год назад

Amarante is my hometown even I´m living in Germany for a while.

@terrigibbs5137 Год назад

Beautiful xx

@ruthholbrook Год назад

Hi, I just nipped over from the Newby channel to watch this. It was great to see the other side of that episode. I've got to subscribe haven't I? It'll be fascinating to see a new variation of Portugese homesteading.

@sueoldbirdstone9024 Год назад

What a beautiful place to live, and home to make! I will follow The Newby's to see more. I expect you already know this, but there are lots of RU-vid chanels who have bought or are buying land in Portugal. I reckon they'd have loads of info which would be relevant. The Wildlanders, The Indie Projects, Mr & Mrs Adventure, Project Amber, The Expawers (Looked into it, decided against it). I'm sure there are more too!