I just talked to CHPWS at Shot and specifically spoke with the marketing guy. We set up a phone call this week and this is precisely what I’m going to discuss with him. I also personally know the QA manager that was busting his ass to get all of these issues corrected. Unfortunately, the QA manager just left to start work with Federal.
Appreciate the info big dog. It's disappointing when shops don't appear to be addressing issues like these. Even worse when company personnel lash out at customers for inquiring about these issues. I look forward to your findings and updates on the topic.
@@wiggly8484 Yes, folks have sent me offset milling samples. You can find examples posted online as well. Some people seem to have had luck with them though, so the choice is yours to make. I'd suggest to look around a bit and message other reputable shops like Jagerwerks, Monsoon Tactical, Primary Machine, etc. to see if they have that option. You should also be able to find optic ready slides available albeit not as cost effective.
Just saw this video... and have had experiences w/ C&H like others. Some good and some not. I've had a C&H plate on my Staccato C2 for several months mounting a Holosun EPS. Fit and finish seems good, but my problem is the rear sights won't work w/any front sight option I've tried... EPS is zeroed and front sight isn't. Irons shoot way low and I'm already running a short 0.160" front sight. Anyway... spoke to C&H and they told me they knew the plate I had wouldn't work w/any existing front sight and wanted me to buy a 'revised' version and new front sights to get it to line out. I'll just go another route and figure something else out going forward. Long winded I realize... but I appreciate the video. What plate is the go-to for Staccatos these days?
FCD makes Staccato plates but they don't support Holosun. Dawson Precision is the OEM for Staccato, so try them. Otherwise the alternative maker I recommend is CNC Pros in UT but I'm not sure if they support Staccato. I usually go to them as an alternative steel plate maker.
@@bunnyoperator Thanks. I just found out that FCD doesn't support Holosun a few minutes ago myself. I'll check out CNC Pros and if that fails hit up Dawson precision. I know DP plates are made from aluminum so if all else fails I'll go w/them. I'm surprised more plate makers are not on board w/Staccato.
I’ve been lucky to not have any issues with CH plates but I wonder if this is a recent development. I havnt bought a new plate from them in 2+ years so I wonder if their QC has just become trash
They were hit and miss early on, and it does seem that their QC has gotten progressively worse. The owner's antics have been well documented for some time now though. You can find his rants all over ARF, M4C, Reddit, etc... You really gotta wonder why their plates have gone through so many versions. It's not hard to make tight tolerance, high quality plates even when using aluminum as we've seen Bobro, Dawson, and others do it. This suggests that CPHWS is cheaping out on materials and allowing out of spec parts to go out.
I didn't know they have a bad QC. I bought a plate from them because a friend recommended them to me for my PPQ M2 because both of my supplied plates from Walther sent my red dot to the moon during range time. I really like their screw set/mechanism and I haven't had a problem yet with it. Now I need a plate for my CZP10C, I started finding mixed reviews on them which makes me hesitate to buy from them.
That screw system is a common problem area for their plates. It comes from the inconsistency in parts spec. Considering that their plates are thin aluminum and of Chinese manufacturing origin (some of their plates are US made) it is to be expected thats tolerances issues will appear more frequently.
have a plate for my hellcat to fit a holosun and the screws came loose and i lost zero after maybe 150-200 rounds tops and assumed i didn’t toque them enough and tightened them when i got home, in hindsight i should’ve backed them out and added new lock tight cuz the next shooting day it came loose again. the red dot never fell off or anything but i lost zero both times and the red dot has enough play to shift left or right when not tightened to hell and back. And i’m scared putting to much force and snapping one of those little screw heads and fucking up my whole day
Its weird because I have had good experiences with thr fitment of their plated and screws for my Glock 19, CZ P10C, and Walther PDP-F. But, I did notice the plate on the CZ P10C was roughly machined and didnt have the fit and finish of previous plates.
Material choice in itself shouldn't be the pure driving factor but in combination with the design to handle the application. Titanium is frankly over kill in this application.
@@bunnyoperator it is overkill, but I prefer overbuilt and to not worry about it again. I beat my pistols up. Whether just shooting, camping, or hunting in the mountains. Especially my m&p 2.0 10mm, which is my woods/ hiking/ hunting sidearm. Banging again rocks while climbing, water, shooting super heavy hot BB or Underwood, all sorts of crap. I don’t want to lose zero, have the mount break, bend, or anything else. Plus, like I said, it’s still half the cost of the CHPWS plates so why not get the titanium.
@@thorshammer5134 Totally understand. Simply clarifying to provide folks with informed decision making. Just about any option is better than CHPWS chicom aluminum offerings.
No, the message is to choose quality parts from a reputable maker that backs their products. Your suggestion, although Vulcan is legit, isn't what's being discussed and doesn't help folks with existing modular systems. I only recommend direct milled IF you are set in stone on your optic footprint. We thought the RMR footprint was gonna be it for a long time until the closed emitters started showing up.
@@bunnyoperator live and learn, and for the closed emitters not everyone likes the look of a mailbox on your pistol.. im more then happy with my 507c milled on my p226 from vulcan werks, phenomenal work and customer service, couldn't recommend them enough. Vulcan as they were the only shop I talked to that would mill the mounting posts into the slide. Shops like CHPWS omit them and say they aren't necessary...
@@Nealjones85 Vid still wasn't addressing direct milled. Although your comment is valid it's not directly in-line with the audience intended. CHPWS does offer the direct milled service and I have received follower reports of those failures, so I suppose it would help those looking for a direct milled option. The P226 comes with other issues, mainly Sig's constant changes to how their slides are milled/lightened. A lot of shops won't touch them without confirming which variant of the slide you have. Also, shops that won't mill recoil bosses for the RMR footprint should be avoided unless you meant the Zev screw posts then I understand why no one wants to do those.
@@bunnyoperator correct the older sigs had lightning cuts and the ones with chamber indicators cannot be milled(california), if you wanted it done right the first time you should of went with a direct mill, a plate is another thing that could fail.. in which it did.
@@Nealjones85 Direct milled isn't an option for a lot of reasons like policy. It also doesn't address pistols that don't have non modular optic variants. Direct milling is a retrofit and is not the future despite being the current preferred method. This vid serves as a warning for those considering CHPWS products but specifically focusing on their optic plates for modular optic systems using various follower submitted examples. It should not serve as a means for confirmation-bias for one view over the other. There are pros and cons to both optic mounting methods (let alone other types like rail mounted) as we've already alluded, so further discussion should be reserved on a vid focused on the subject. Besides blanket recommending slide milling isn't appropriate. The appropriate answer to a lot of recommendation requests should be "it depends".
Most of the QC stuff I've seen with them has been on glocks. I have one for an HK that I've been wanted to use but haven't gotten around to it yet. I hope it won't have any issues. I've only seen a handful of people use them on HKs compared to other brands, but they've all said it worked fine for the HKs. My sigs I can just direct mount and the Pdp already has a great OEM plate so I wouldn't use an aftermarket plate on mine.
Most of the problems I've seen are related to their newer system using the separate washers/female screw end from the main plate. You can see a few examples in the vid. Of course some are just due to bad design in conjunction with poorer quality and thin aluminum like with the 509 plates gouging. I have seen a considerable about of failures with their VP9 and PDP plates, so be warned that they are there (some in the vid). Also gotta be aware that a lot of the oem plates now are plastic or MIM, and will warp over time. Sig's direct mount for the DPP footprint may be OK but their RMR is totally unsupported outside of the screws. The aftermarket exists for a reason but you may or may not ever experience issues with oem depending on what you're doing.
I bought a plate from them for the aimpoint acro and I was extremely disappointed with the workmanship. All kinds of machine marks and extremely sharp edges that I had to sand down so it wouldn’t rip my hand open when racking the slide.
Your experience mirrors the experiences of others who have reported CHPWS ACRO MOS based plates. If you're going to run it monitor it very very closely. Their screws are very soft steel as is the aluminum used for the plates. Some of the plates are allegedly Chinese made but I haven't been able to confirm, which other than possibly the shinier ones. Which platform do you have?
Walther PDP 2.0. I’m switching the optic to a Holosun EPS. Do you have any recommendations for a plate for it? Will be mounting it on the Walther to be clear.
@@82dirtdart FCD supports the PDP but not Holosun, so I don't have a recommendation for you. CNC Pros is my alternative for steel plates but IDK if they support Walther.
Already going to send back my order from them. I email FCD later in the evening with a question about mounting a Holosun 507c x2 and they got back to me within minutes. Plus dig the rear fence they also have on theirs.
Pretty interesting the difference in customer care levels. CHPWS reached out to me to handle my M&P 1.0 plate issues, so I should have an update if it gets resolved.
Depends on the firearm and optic choice but the general recommendation is to go with steel and fully support of the optic. You can start with looking at Forward Controls Design as examples of high quality plates then branch out from there. CNC Pros is another good one.
Their plates are total CRAP. Eleven 71 Design is THE BEST, with tolerances so tight, they make Forward Controls Design seem like garbage (they're NOT, but Eleven 71 is still WAAAY better). They're not cheap (I paid $120 for my RMR PDP plate from them), but they're hand-made & its a 1 man, 1 machine operation based here in my home state of Tennessee. If you want a plate for competition, or you just want the flat-out best, then they're the company. The ONLY other company I buy plates from is Calculated Kinetics. They have the ABSOLUTELY MOST PRACTICALLY designed plates on the market. Their "Dogtag" plates have a ledge at the front that sits just below the objective lens of the optic. The ledge helps to keep the glass clean & clear of any carbon fouling/buildup from the ejection port. It also helps to protect the sight from any possible errant ejected shell casings. They're a vet-owned company & have plates for a number of guns. The best part about CK, besides the plate design, is that if you buy your optic from them (for like a $5-$6 markup), you get the corresponding plate ($60) for free. I have 3 of their plates, all for the Holosun EPS, & the "Dogtag" design with the ledge has worked wonders in keeping my glass clean. They're my "go-to" plates for all 3 guns in my EDC rotation. Hell, I won't even buy the CHPWS adapter for the EPS on the Springfield Echelon. When you put the EPS on the Echelon, there are 2 God-awful gaps fore & aft of the sight. CHPWS makes a plate that fills those gaps. But alas, so does Springer Precision. And its the Springer that I have on my Echelon for my EPS.
Glad that you found what works for you. I am personally on team steel and don't believe that Ti is necessary or that aluminum is sufficient but if it works then it works for you. You can also look at The CNC Pros / Athena Precision for steel alternatives that support Holosun since FCD does not.
@@bunnyoperator Always on the lookout for good quality plates OTHER than CHPWS! Thanks for the heads up. I might also try Corded Arms as well. Know anything about them?
@bunnyoperator Not asking to be snide or a jerk, but why would you? What do you se that you don't like? And lastly, what's your opinion on the AOS plates?
@@dtfrankel79 I only see two adapter plates on their site and the example photos show bad fitment and lack of support for the optics intended. The AOS system is fine and robust but very expensive if you're getting into that platform.
I had a problem with CHPS steel plate for My G45 not fitting properly. I email them with pics. The 1st guy I talked to was of no help but the the 2nd guy call me out the blue advised me of their recent issue and sent me a new aluminum plate and no issues so far.
I have one of their plates and it was a breeze to install and had no issues... the next two i bought had bad hardware. Hit customer service up and they tried to clown me. My 19 MOS runs just fine with the stock plate. Two classes later and over a case of ammo later.
That's a pretty disheartening experience when you support a shop but they treat you like an idiot. I do recommend that you opt for a different plate than OEM MOS. The OEM plate is well documented as a failure point due to the MIM method of production. You can try FCD or CNCPros depending on your optic choice.
If calling out shops for their issues lights fires under them to fix their problems is what it takes then so be it. We all want companies to put out good products but not at the expense of the end users.
I just got my last week and sad to say it's perfect. Every company has a few issues. Customer service fixing the issue is key and I guarantee some of those issues are install issues.
For sure. Their CS is great and the quality manager I've spoken with was superb at getting my specific issue resolved. The owner, however, is making bad moves that create the issues we see like overseas manufacturing of plates. Many were issued to agencies, as you can see in this video alone. We all want companies to succeed but we also need to hold them accountable until their work is up to par for the consumers.
.... sometimes when I pay all the money for something, from a reputable place, I feel good knowing there is a good chance I’m never going to have a problem with the product or service... I personally do not judge a company for the products they ship to me... I judge them on how they make it right, and correct the problem if there is one... Shit happens... nobody is perfect... Once in a while you’re going to get something that was built on a Friday, after lunch.... it sucks when it happens, but if they make it right with the customer and come through with what you ordered in a reasonable amount of time, I consider that a win... some shitty companies will refuse to even acknowledge you as a customer with a legitimate concern, no matter how nice you approach them.... those are the places I never do business with unless I absolutely have to and there is no other way... at that point I just grit my teeth and hope for the best lol...
The problem is that CHPWS has and still is the monopoly on plate systems on certain gun models. They were legit when they first came out, but their demand has over stepped their quality and it has become ridiculous. What exacerbates the situation is you have Buck Holly talking shit and then the QC and customer service is shit. To prove my point I've received multiple plates that were out of spec that should not have even passed QC. Recently, I got two of the same plate models and they were of completely different design. The new plate (not show in the photo) has a much better coating, but the iron sight design is different and the there are no tapered cuts on the side of the plate. It's just square cut. They are using different mounting screws as well, so I can see that they are trying to fix their issues by retooling and using updated hardware, but only time will tell.
Thanks for sharing your experiences for others. Some of their plates including their steel plates are contracted to China just like their recent optic lines. The staff that I've spoken to admit this despite the product descriptions stating plates are made stateside. I do see changes in their newer designs but if they are still using lesser quality materials and not confirming tolerances/specs before it gets to the consumer then it's not an improvement. I know for a fact that they've lost agency level contracts from the failures, so it's a matter of if Buck swallows his ego and improves or keeps dragging CHPWS down the abyss.
I can agree the quality and fitment for my g19 plate in 2020 was top notch. The machining and fitment were as advertised. The CZ P10C plate I recently bought not so much.
Just saw this video and can 100% agree that CHPWS is trash. If you put a Glock 43x MOS plate on for a Holosun 507k and hold it up to a light the gap is absolutely embarrassing. I’m surprised that nobody else has made a video about that. Just ordered a Forward Controls plate from TREX ARMS for my Glock 45, screw C&H.
Just my 2 cents. I bought an adapter plate, changed my mind and ended up wanting to cancel the order. Ended up getting the credit for cancelled part to go towards the slide milling I opted for. My shield plus now has a he507k and my 10mm performance center has a he507c via adapter plate. I found their customer service friendly and personable. They took care of me and my parts and work from them was top notch!!
Positive stories are good. They don't excuse the current examples, however. They also don't change the fact that some of their plates are Chinese produced with zero QC despite the claims of being made in GA in their product descriptions. My dealings with their people have been good but that's different from the products provided. I also have examples of their slide work that do not match your experiences.
