C# is better than you think | Prime Reacts 

Prime is bold enough to disagree with the guy while sitting on his lap

My cousin started his career working as a government contractor using. NET, then went on to do .NET in the legal industry (court systems), then went on to a consulting firm where he worked with on a medical project. And now he works for a payroll company. No joke he basically got the .NET triple crown.

I remember using C#'s LINQ for the first time many years ago and being completely blown away. LINQ is C#'s built-in language support for querying and manipulating data which uses functional programming concepts.

C# is used in loaaaads of enterprise web dev… at this point it’s basically just Java with 10 years of extra features and improvements on top

I'm so happy to see some C# love from Prime, I write it as an enterprise dev and honestly I think it's one of the best OOP languages out there. I'm also learning Rust on the side but I think OOP is actually a good fit if you're modelling super complex domains & using DDD to manage that complexity

Just a note that Nick has a similar video to this but released very recently, maybe a couple of weeks ago. But this one you watched is 2 years old. In the newer one he does talk about how the performance has gotten even better because Microsoft are trying to shake these old mindsets and the way to do that is by being actually good and fast.

The most underrated feature set of C# is its metaprogramming. Between Expression, reflectable attributes, non-elided generics, and Roslyn extensions, you can do a ton of interesting runtime or compile-time code generation. No other language in its class is close.

I use C# to develop extremely high tech optics software. There are soooo many libraries for everything you could ever imagine. We use full functional programming using LanguageExt and it’s so awesome.

By going from a C# job to a Java job, I can say that C# is way better than Java. I might not use it for a hobby project, but as a work language it's fine.

Nick is an amazing source for modern C# info. Great channel

C# dev here. I am a full-time game developer, but have shipped backends, console(terminal) apps, console(xbone/ps4) games, PC/mobile games, mobile apps, tons of API backends, social media bots/media converters/transcribers, dynamic websites (C# in browser with blazor), and a cross-platform single-file CI/CD system that runs on windows, linux x86/arm. Even a few console apps running 24/7 on my 700mhz Raspberry pi 1 through mono. All of these I've developed in pure C# without that being in any way less than a first-class choice for the targets. You CAN NOT say that for your language.

C# was my first introduction to the kind of functional programming that people love in Rust. The only reason I switched away from C# is because I got deep into graphics programming, and at the time C# did not have great SIMD instruction support. Funny thing is, I recently used C# for the first time in almost a decade to make a small flashcards app for a family member. I was able to whip up a great WPF GUI with a bunch of features in just a few hours. Super easy to make static text selectable and scrollable, and to make the UI resize in a sensible way.

I love Nick Chapsas. He made my .NET class at Uni a lot easier

C# is the absolute best language for me It can do anything and runs anywhere

People still think C# is Windows-only; in the era of Internet and abundance of information. Unbelievable.

C# feels perfect to me, it's my comfort language

I started programming in JavaScript two years ago, watching tutorials, reading articles, documentation, etc. However, I always had difficulty grasping object-oriented programming (OOP) concepts. With JavaScript, especially in front-end development using ReactJS or vanilla JS, there is a strong emphasis on functional programming. So, while I read about OOP, I felt a bit lost when it came to coding. With C#, I gained a solid understanding of OOP, aided by excellent documentation from Microsoft. I also found it beneficial to step away from the clickbait videos often found in the JavaScript community. In the .NET or C# world, explanations are typically provided by experienced professionals who focus on what truly matters to become a skilled programmer.

One thing i really love in C# are the Properties and synthetic fields and also LINQ is just great

I've used C# for my entire career (not exclusively) and I love it. The only thing I've missed is aot and now they have started giving it a serious go❤❤❤

What I like about C# is because it's usually being used in corporate or big company, with many devs dealing with complex domains, the community always looking for ways to improve developer experiences. I've never been exposed to DDD, CQRS, Vertical Slice, Outbox pattern, and many similar other "fancy" terms when working with js, python, go, or php like in C#. They always strive to write good code 😊

I started out learning dev with actionscript J's / php and quickly moved towards the unity engine and learned C# and I feel it's just an incredibly intuitive language to use. I later learned more webdev, i.e javascript > express + handlebars > react > next.js. and even now, For me c# is like the perfect 'vanilla - plus' programming language.

C# is the best OOP language around now. As a Java developer it sucks but that's the way it is.

I'm a "taught" Java dev. When I entered the market, I wrote in Turbo-Pascal/Delphi (which unironically is still one of my favorite languages ever) and I am now a C# dev. I would choose modern-day C# over most languages I programmed in professionally. .Net Core has solved many of the common issues programmers complained about regarding C#. Even the late .Net Framework versions are quite nice to code in

In Brazil a LOT of banks use C# in their backend. And i mean a LOT. The ecosystem itself provides so much native stuff to build your whole application. Also it's a lot of fun to write c#/.net code.

C# of today is such a different language than 5-ish years ago. Personally I'm a huge fan of all the new features that makes writing in a functional style easier. It's interesting to take someone who has been stuck in C# 6 due to whatever reasons and show them how to do the same thing with the latest release of the language and get their opinions / reactions to it. My favorite is showing them records. Albeit not perfect but showing them "look at the few hundred lines of code it took to support all of these things with this type. Now I can have the same thing just by calling it a record and using a handful of lines."

Its wild that C# is at rhe cutting edge of a lot of language features and still has unmatched async (better than js by far). Other langiages are borrowing from it now

C# have limited ORMs because EF is literally the best ORM to have ever been created and integrated with a language, no joke, across all languages. And I'm not saying that like I've literally tried every single one to ever have existed. But I've tried the ones who are praised in other languages for being good, and some that are mid, and even the "good" ones are laughably terrible in comparison.

Developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, ...

best thing about C# is employability.

Nick Chapsas is the fucking man if you are interested in C#. Ignore his accent, the dude is super knowledgeable and amazing at explaining shit.

12:10 A use case I see for this (sealed permits) is to emulate a union type, for example a Result which I only want to be derived either as a Success or a Failure but I agree it feels like a weird inverted way to program to specify who can inherit a class at declaration.

I switched to Linux a time ago, im still still pretty much a Microsoft guy and still program in C# because of work, it works great on both Linux and Mac. BTW if you need SQL Server you can fire up a Linux based container so except for desktop (Windows) apps, you can do pretty much anything with C# outside of Windows

"If I already know go why would I want to learn C#" C# is a very special language in the "C family". It's the most reflective language I've ever used (that has a strong type system), it allows you to do use the type system dynamically, it has built in support for running its own compiler tools at runtime, it allows you to manipulate code as data with Expressions, it has an extremely strong foundation of data tooling in LINQ, it's pretty fast, and the tooling is fantastic. It's got good support for async programming, functional, event based and object oriented programming too. Every year, it gets better -- particularly with pattern matching recently. It is a fantastic language, and is worth learning even if you already know C, C++, Go, Java or Swift. It's a ton of fun too, it gives you so much power.

Most of what "people" write in C# is onion code. As you peel back the layers you cry more.

FINALLY. Thank you for giving some love to C#! ❤ I develop in C# almost since it was born 20 years ago. It's good to note something though, at a regular base I watch Nick's videos these days. The statistics shown here where from 2021. With the new improvements in dotnet version 8 which they made everything has totally changed when it comes to performance. Nick has also posted a video how the DotNet frameworks are so much faster than Everything Else. Maybe that statistics source has some problems like you say, but it might still be worth to at least know about. They have done a ton of low level performance improvements in the last two years. It's also good to notice that in general there are more options in dotnet for this than in Java, because of the concept of Value Types, which are not allocated on the heap and no subject to the garbage collector. I know Java has started to implement similar concepts as well, but it's as far as I know not as deeply implementend in everything as in dotnet. This is a major difference.

Not just healthcare and gov jobs. C# is used in manufacturing and automation industry… which is an easier job to get than getting into Netflix

"If you're going to Quora to find answers to things, you've already messed up." 😂 True

Entity Framework is a built-in ORM.

Using C# and Godot (did port my project from unity) for past three months, been a really smooth and nice journey. I'm thinking to try blazor which is probably a better way to do frontend instead of React.

I was making a game in Unity as a hobbie. Then in september, because of the Unity fiasco, I switched to using Monogame. Have to say, working with C# and Monogame is a really good way for me to put into practice what I have learned about Design Patterns an OOP. Back when I was developing with Unity, it felt as I wasn't really programming with C#, just writing snippets and scripts that would be linked through the Unity UI.

I got to take part in an F# project at work. It was great. The only major thing that's missing is type classes or something similar (and maybe algebraic effects). Anyway, if I got to choose the tech stack for some corporatey service/backend I'd go with F#.

I started with C# and because I have my fancy looking VS Code, the effort to compile C# Blazor made me look at other languages and fall in love with golang. OMG, this is like how my brain expected C# to work and then forced into all this OOP stuff “Just Because” or “Standard way of doing stuff”. Anyways I went into Golang thinking better php and got my mind blown by finding out it didn’t need a runtime environment. Structs is how I always wanted to use Classes. It just felt so so so much more natural to code in.

I like the content. Pretty funny. Subbed.

12:10 sealed hierarchies are extremely versatile feature. There are tons of things that can be done with the guarantee, that no type outside your library can extend or implement a type. For example you can make finite algebraic types with it. For example the option type: public sealed interface Option { record None() implements Option {} record Some(T value) implements Option {} } This might be more clunky then a rust enum but it has the same user side semantics. (pattern matching) (Btw you can drop the permits if all subtypes are declared in the same file.)

StackOverflow is implemented in C#

This also highly depends on what country you work in. In the Netherlands it's mostly C# for most dev jobs. Including the "fun" sectors. Including for giant global companies. Not that you do not see a huge amount of jobs for other langs.

One note about sealed classes (and interfaces, this is available for interfaces too) in Java. Essentially, they're a (rather clumsy) roundabout way of achieving tagged unions in Java (like enums in Rust), which can be useful for exhaustive pattern matching. Basically, you might see code like "sealed interface SomeUnion permits VariantA, VariantB {}" and then if you do a switch on an instance of SomeUnion, assuming non-null (god i hate java and all it's old baggage), you'll be guaranteed to have an exhaustive match as long as you match against VariantA and VariantB

I'm loving the editing style!

C#'s Task library is far superior to anything in Java, JavaScript, Python, etc. Up until Go (I think), C# was probably the only language with easy-to-use dynamic hardware thread use, where it will scale the number of hardware threads automatically, based on a hill climbing algorithm, to suit your Task load.

Been coding C# for years. (Swapped from Java in 2014) And I was always curious as to why your take on C# is bad was there. I'm glad it was more a casual ribbing than an actual bad language. Cause I genuinely enjoy it more than any other language I've used. My only complaint is usually that there's just usually more code to do a thing that other languages. Boilerplate is heavy. But the code looks good, makes sense, and it clicks for me. With the side bonus of Godot, Unity, Maui/Xamarin also working with pretty much the exact same ruleset and standards. Means I can do those as side projects and gain mastery for my actual job at the same time. Tried a JS job. And in comparison I just wanted to tear my hair out. Although could have been the company. But the styles are so different is it a tough thing to swap between.

I came in from programming PLCs and I was able to learn how to debug and understand 100k code software in a respectable time. Also it went as far as me writting UI tests for most of the graphics. I think C# is really user friendly and I learnt to love it really fast.

Abstract sealed classes as added to Java, allow for exhaustiveness checks in pattern matching. With open inheritance, no guarantees can be given by the compiler that the provided cases cover all possibilities. By explicitly enumerating all classes that inherit from the sealed class, the compiler will be able to to do that check. It allows for usages that in functional languages are served by ADTs (algebraic data types). Sometimes all types are known in advance, like for example Some and None in an Option or Maybe type.

ITO cross-platform stuff, well, I run my .NET Core APIs on Alpine Linux containers in prod. We handle like $2bn worth of transactions a year. So, it's definitely production-ready cross-platform.

C# LETTTTSSGOOOOOOO!

С# supports pointers and unmanaged memory allocation (e.g. stackalloc). Very usefull for Interop or if you want some crazy optimization.

C# meta programming is pretty good. Reflection, code compilation, etc. My main complaint about C# is that its got too many ways to do the same thing: and its getting worse with "features" such as primary constructors

My two favourite coding channels together in one video?

I'd pick C# or F# over Java any day. I have been using C# in enterprise environment on Linux servers something like 15 years already. During Mono time there was occasional hiccups, but nothing major hit our apps. Since dotnet core was released years ago it has been smooth sailing and I couldn't be happier. Except maybe we should rewrite our things with Rust =D

As someone who came out of college not that long ago and took multiple semesters of Java and C#, my takeaway feel and knowledge was that C# was a superior Java. A large part of that is the environment and integration. I'm too removed from Java to comment on it, but the future of C# and .NET is really bright. Full stack Blazor that can utilize web assembly and server-side signal R in the same application is going to be seriously powerful. AOT compiling directly into native code like Go and C++ is awesome as well.

I was a programmer for 25 years and retired. I watch this channel because at this point it's so interesting to see the same discussions/problems on repeat. AND, I LOVE the jargon. It's how I know I'm already outdated. Ass pennies, hilarious. :)

C# is my main language but I can see how some one just getting started could be confused. A top level program looks like magic lmaooo if you don’t understand it.

I know people who started with Java and ended up C# and say they would never go back.

hypothesis that open AI is being trained on quora data gave me a fine laugh thnak you

Doing C# fulltime now and absolutely love it. Even WPF grew on me. Learned Java initially, but since the fustercluck after 9, I wouldn't even know where to start.

Used C# recently after not touching it for about 5 years and was pleased

Hell has frozen. Prime talking about C#. Btw I love C#, I would love to see more C#.

C# is amazing, I absolutely love working with it

I've gotten job offers where they pay a premium specifically because I have experience with both C# and Java (building enterprise apps and APIs). Recruiters have told me it's hard to find someone that can (or will) work with both, which is strange to me considering how similar the two languages are.

Modern C# is a good language, with probably one of my favorite syntax and standard library. But with some historical baggage, bad crossplatform UI options and god awful tooling in MsBuild.

21:30 I agree. the C# JIT compiler is very good at identifying and optimizing repetitive tasks, so pretty much *any* benchmark is inherently flawed. Unless your web server always returns the same result for the same input (there's no per-user personalization), your performance won't be as good as the benchmark. C# is still my favorite language though, but a good point is a good point.

now that prime approved my jobs programming language I don't have to quit anymore.

Can we all agree the ending was pretty dang hilarious

C# is hands down the most versatile language regarding real usage. Languages are just tools, and most languages can "do anything," but you will be hard-pressed to find a language that is as widely used as C# in the enterprise, gaming, mobile, web, embedded, machine learning, etc. For beginners, it's a great first language because of that versatility, type system, tools, ease of learning, etc.

C# is a gem, along with Scala OOP languages don't get any better.

the thing prime like with pattern match is coming from FP, the Maybe, that can hold a Some or a None, this is the idea behind the error handing in FP, you never get a null ref error, as you never use a Object/type that is null.

back in 2017 i had my first programming classes in school. just installing the java editor was a pain. we did some binary tree stuff which was confusing and a little image editor. i very much like java and c# feels very similar, installing vs is a piece of cake

Pattern matching is great when a language has algebraic data types (like Rust enums). In the absence of that its rather disappointing.

LINQ MY BOY LINQ!

It is even now able to do inline Assembly since the last version

12:00 wrt sealed classes. It's nice if you are a corporate library provider and you want to lock down internal APIs. And it makes switches so much more maintainable.

I hate all the languages I used back in college. Because I sucked back then and didn't have good time using them. I've recently switched to C# from Java and it's my favorite language rn, because I know what I'm doing and there are a bunch of QoL improvements over Java.

I've tried both Java and C# for 1 year I stand with his tweet

That stack overflow survey might be skewed a bit since there are a lot of C# answers on stack overflow thus there might be more .Net users than other frameworks.

It's weird seeing so many comments express doubt about C# being cross-platform. I don't know how to make this any clearer: at home, I code in C# entirely in Linux and frequently deploy to Raspberry Pi. At work, almost everyone uses a Mac. I've worked in all three major clouds, and we always just deploy using Docker and Alpine Linux.

Loads of Java in the Cyber Security space. Knowing that a CVE is going to be fixed if you have paid support is very important. Before using C#, check what patents Microsoft asserts for which components. We have been burned before. I'm very wary now.

From a person who wrote java before c#. C# was kinda of a revelation. I never though java could be that easy. IDK c# is still really good and works really nice on anything

At work I mainly use C# and SQL on Windows machines (all different types of projects). On my side hustle I do development mostly web and host the client on my own servers if they want. All my servers are Linux. I have many Blazor apps running on my linux cloud servers but I prefer Postgres for my database but I do have MS SQL Server running on Linux. I still use Visual Studio to write my C# code but compile it to Linux and have GitLab CI/CD to push changes to my linux servers. I have Dev, Staging, and Production pipelines. I let customers use Staging after it is built and if they happy I go to Production with few clicks.

C# is so much more than Java. It now has AOT in pre-release, where you can compile your code directly as an executable (no IL). It's essentially like GO. It still has some issues, but it will be great once it's released.

C# is actually is really good in my opinion

I work with c# as devolper for BACK OFFICE FOR PURCHASE AND SALES DEPARTMENT... The only thing that I like it's the fact that building desktop (windows) application is pretty fast

Im using C# for some years now, its great! And the tooling with VS is just better than anything else ive seen so far

I learned C# just for sheer hate of java

As a java developer i want the community to embrace kotlin more

The end is legendary

I started using visual C++ way back whenever that was, and pretty much default to C# for everything unless I have a really good reason not to use it. It's fast and has tons of libraries.

What I hate most about Microsoft is that they create such great programming languages

The only bad thing about c# is Microsoft

i really checked discord when you got the notif lol

I’ve worked at my fair share of “enterprise” companies, and yes, the C# finance/government, stereotype is true. At the company I currently work, we’re .Net containers in alpine. If you asked me that just 3 years ago I would’ve drop kicked you. It’s staggering how quickly MS is improving .Net. I mean, the new features in .Net 8 are just insane, it’s like an entirely different platform. The fact that I’m coding, building, testing all on Linux with minimal configuration still boggles my mind. That said I still prefer Go, something about it reminds me of C, makes me feel like I’m in full control with minimal baggage.

Because I spent so many years with C++, I find it hard to move away from it. With the tools I have, I can do any kind of programming low level or high level.