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He doesn't care if it's bad cos he will not see it in his game lol. It's easy to say "that cool strat my man" then you play with it then you hate your life.

@@nabkill0134 but he is right though, how can people find new strats and new ways to play if everyone cries when someone tries something new ?

@@vlbluu124 why should I lose lp because someone is so eager to try something new? As neme said, it works to some extent, yasuo jngl gonna work in plat, so what? The way high elo works is completely different. You can try something new as much as you want, but let it happen in normals

@@vlbluu124 if you go to iwdominate's video he has a good point for that argument. riot actively refuses to allow these new strats, hence why they nerfe every single deviation of the norm, cause that is not how they want the game to be played. baus strat was nerfed, yi+taric was nerfed, plates were added against perma roaming and so on

@@nikg7126 yeah but those players that have a unique strat continue to play their strat even after nerfs, that's why baus still plays sion to this day, and other OTPs / unique players continue. Some people play to have fun and their fun is playing their way

yea that guy needs to be perma'd

Playes vs him once. He died lvl1 botside, he died 3 times toplane. He was 0/4 at 5min. Enemy Jungle and bot went afk. Totally understandable.

I had to reread, i though you won with him. Gratz on masters.

He’s 54% WR

@@gammie8191 Doesnt change the fact that he makes the game horrible to play. Its just a disgusting playstyle.

I doubt anyone would notice since he wouldn't get above diamond in eu

Bruv, I got masters in OCE recently and I’ve played against Tilterella multiple times. He inted every game. First game I’m like “woah did I just play against tilterella?” After 4th 5th game I’m like this guys a filthy inter. Whenever I see his name in loading screen I know he’s gonna mega int 4 times out of 5. Idk in the past but rn he’s very bad

I literally closed the VOD after malphite dying level 1 against trynda in mid XD basically 3 pigs in same team with agurin, they grief the drafts & match and people expect you to play.

Finally someone who sees the whole picture unlike the silver redditors

Doesnt matter, afking is against the rules and streamers should be held to higher standards as what they do influences their viewers behavior too.

@@atreyes Agurin had two options in the game: Getting perma invaded and barely getting any camps (as Zyra) and probably dying or going afk. What sounds better?

​@atreyes so if he was pathing like a bot just not to get afk warning you would be fine with this situation? Lol

This. Just because you can get a strat to master doesn't mean it good. Most challenger player could pick random strat and get it to master.

​@@nabkill0134thats exactly what he is saying, same goes with that bard player, he is good enough to get high elo with it but it doesnt mean its fun for the others, it must feel like shit playing with open top in higher elos

@@nabkill0134exactly. Theres a reason he cant get past masters

as long as he is winning?

@@andreasioannides5780 I mean yuumi isn't fun to play with so should picking yuumi be a instant ban?

Lol

And he went challengers league and gets bodied by all of them, exactly what you said :)

@@andreasioannides5780 if his strat is bad then why he is rank 1 challenger in the most skilled region? or did he just coinflip his way to rank 1 korea?

​@@davidsamy Rank is just your ability to win, nothing to do with how you get to that point. A challenger player can just sprint it mid of spawn and feed a kill, proceed to play normal and still get challenger. Does that mean it's good to die on spawn every game? No. That's the worst argument you could ever give.

@@kristianvukajlovic6789 that is not valid comparison, roaming toplaners were always a thing either 2 years ago when Janna top smite was rolling the soloQ with 60% winrate or back in the days where River Shen/Thresh was played, these strats don't always work just like any other picks/ team-comps your teammates force in the champ select

@@davidsamy It's obviously an exaggeration, I don't even know what the Ady guy did, but the argument he achieved A so B is good doesn't hold. "if his strat is bad then why he is rank 1 challenger in the most skilled region?" - because he is just good at soloq, doesn't mean what he does is optimal.

He is not inting, he just plays his own way. If you can't play with him, then it's one loss, move on, it's not like you are gonna play with him for 10 straight games... He is just one guy out of the thousands of meta Andy players that plays "normally". League is a game where every player can play their own way, your teammates might not like it but if it's what works for you then who are they to make you stop? This is why league becomes toxic, some people play differently and yall want to crucify them. Like bruh, imagine if no one tried lane swapping, pro play would be stale, it had been the same champs over and over for 3 years, until lane swap meta changed how teams play. It's like in the NBA when the warriors won by using the three point shot, no one believed they could do it, but when they did, every other team started copying them. Innovations in games won't happen if you don't have these people that play differently from the meta.

@@crudojoshuaricofort8795 so i think you have a problem seeing things in this video and heres why: As a jungler, are you able to farm/gank with 3 people constantly in your jungle and taking camps without any help from the "non-stale" player like him? Let me remind you that the game in the video is high Master which everyone in that game know how to macro/micro so can you even make any play from your role if that bard is not with/helping you? Spamming hundreds of game to get to GM doesnt make him A GRANDMASTER PLAYER, it just people in lower elo are so clueless so he thinks that his playstyle is working, not because of it actually good to play in high elo. It just straight up a fact in that video: they have a level 7 renekton full csing and plates against your level 4 bard and you think its make the game not stale? Innovations my asscheek bro

It’s not inting though he’s trying to win? And wins enough to climb to high elo. You being frustrated at a play style ≠ bannable. The point of ranked is to win games and if he’s winning more than 99.99% of league players then who are we to tell him how to play? It’s fair game when you’re not bug abusing or scripting.

​@@crudojoshuaricofort8795The difference between entire professional teams proposing and agreeing on innovative strats and a single guy going "hold on, lemme cook" and then proceeding to underperform and make the game unfun for everyone else is huge though. Also, it's not like Riot doesn't try to weed out the off the rails strategies, like lane swapping, inting Sion or Smite Janna, so it's pretty clear they also don't like when things get too weird. I get it, it's just a game and sometimes it works, but please let's not give the guy cookies for "being creative" and "doing his own thing".

I never knew the game has rules how it must be played, whats next? you cant invade jungle because thats not traditional? You must 5v5 every objective because thats traditional? you must pick ranged designated adc as adc because thats traditional? ziggs gets you banned because you force 4 people to play without adc thats just excuse for inters

@@xBox360BENUTZER so picking bard support and roaming should be bannable? Or just picking yuumi should instantly ban you? I remember one time our mid saying he's reporting our senna for playing fasting senna and me the support for taking the CS.

He plays around his botside so i dont understand how his team is forced to play around him. Why is botlane complaining when they have a free ganker to help them?

​​@@MrWizardjr9 honestly Yuumi should be deleted. As for Bard support pick, it's not necessary a problem as long as he communicates that he is gonna pick Bard so adc can pick something safe like Ezreal or Cait.

idk why he is sucking a bard roaming top inter

he got bardinette in his lobby once where the bard went 3/4/27 and the team won 46-14, he's been converted into a believer

@@plebbutter3811bro got converted to a believer for hitting heads in one try gg

because he is being hated on for no reason, you just dont agree with the wawy they play the game and thats why you flame them, while the people that are keeping the game interesting and alive are the same offmeta onetricks that you are flaming, happychimenoises isnt thriving for no reason, baus is the face of league, kesha, elosanta, dantes, all these guys play their champs differently and that is the reason they became popular in the first place.

⁠@@zezanje1probably the dumbest thing I’ve read so far. Him playing bard has nothing to do with it, its how he plays

"Forcing playstyle" is such a bad argument. Do I consent to my laners having a bad game and going 0/10? Do I consent to my jungler perma full clearing? The reason why people are so addicted to this game is because every game is different, you have to adapt to each game. Every game you are "forced" to play a certain way because of factors that are outside of your control. The fact that someone can even do a strategy like this and succeed is a testament to the creativity that is possible within League of Legends.

@@amnesiac2796 That's even worse argument. Do I consent to people I don't like/don't agree with have right to speak? Do I consent those people has access to internet? Do I consent to the fact you absolutly missed the point and you just mumbling? It's different to adjust accordingly between games that are in general sense played similarly and it's different to flip the entire game upside down because one player decided it. And as it's pointed out, it's not about the fact he's playing it, it's about the fact he's playing it no matter what. If it was a matter of choice, if he was playing it in certian situations when neccessary criteria are met, people wouldn't care for the most part. BUT HE IS DOING IT EVERY GAME! Which is ironic because he is not adjusting his playstyle at all. And btw, I'm "forced" to read stupid comments like yours and live with the knowledge that people that has nothing in common with logic exists. :')

get a job

Yea, wait till you get yourself a bard top in your promo game that runs around like a clown. Then you'll realise. People defending him just merely haven't played with this kind of strat.

@@oskarkazmierczak5533 then elo should reflect that. If it's so int, then let MMR place him. If you don't like how that works, blame Riot.

*Peaks 1700 elo "I have become a chess prodigy 😎"

well chess is just a "game" where the only thing that matters is repetition and practice, and it has been proven. some random chess gm experimented with his 2 daughters from birth, building their entire lives around chess, practicing the skills they would need in order to be good at chess with them at a very young age and would you look at that both of them ended up being grandmasters and one of the sisters is the greatest female chess player of all time, judit polgar. in most things in life you simply cant be a prodigy, its just that you developed certain skills during your early childhood that ended up aligning well with the thing that you are a "prodigy" at.

Yeah, you can say it sucks, but it obviously doesnt. He's better than like 99% of league players right? and thats consistency. I'm just bad at the game and I play meta. I must be griefing since im not high elo.

@@nightcall6386Right but getting upset with a guy because they have poor macro, poor mechanics wtv (like everyone below GM-Chal) is one thing. Getting upset because a guy on your team said fuck you mid jg, you will guaranteed be behind so I can coinflip bot, also their top is gonna be giga ahead. Its a conscious decision versus just being inexperienced at the game.

@@nightcall6386 But, you are wholly missing the nuance of this situation versus the remaining 99% of league players. These are all generally relatively well matched games. Bardinette to his teammates and enemies is really no different from you or I and our teammates. So, the fact that we the 99% suck ass this game doesn't even matter. The actual problem with players like Bardinette is purposefully playing a non-optimal playstyle that completely puts your team behind for the majority of the game while giga boosting the enemy top laner. Bardinette is good enough to just play a normal top or even fucking bard support and he will still win games, probably more games without pissing everyone on his team off for no reason. This play style does actually suck because tactics like this has been nerfed out of the game to ensure a more traditional laning playstyle. It doesn't work as well as just playing the game properly. He is only winning games because either his bot lane gets to pop off even with mid and jungle severely behind thanks to Bardinette OR the enemy team crumbles in their own griefing and toxicity. He also only wins because he himself is actually not a bad bard player, just his playstyle is dogshit. You can't just look at him playing with people with similar or lower skill level and winning with a dogshit playstyle, and assume that his playstyle is actually working. There are so many morons that fail to replicate Baus's Sion gameplay in Iron, Bronze, Silver, Gold, etc. and they fucking suck at it. But guess what? They are actually as good as the people they are facing or maybe even slightly better, so sometimes they just win through sheer mechanical dominance and consistently stick around their elo with no downward movement. But, these kinds of people also don't climb that much from their elo because even if they are mechanically good enough, they are just not playing correctly to climb. Bardinette is the same. He is probably a challenger player easy, but he chooses to play the game completely wrong, piss his teammates off, and coin flip games. If this was the best way to play top or even bard, bard and this tactic would be a massive issue that needs to be nerfed just like Baus's Sion was/is. But it isn't, this is one of the worst ways to play either.

This sums it up. He’s almost being a leftist sjw, trying to overdefend some minority group. Except in this case bardinette isnt an oppressed minority xd

right? his take is horrible here.

I like his take, better than Nemesis for sure.

​@@verloreneseele8898nemesis saying he couldn't flash and live left me stunned, dude is a great player, but this comment is the most incorrect analysis because of bias, I was really disheartened to see it

Double jungle still goes hard.

yeah but agurin just looks like a lil bitch doing it, theres are difference

Everyone has that moment, where they dont wanna play the game, cuz the teams losing so hard and be done with it.. so just afk. People just wanna find someone to villanize someone lmao.

Because tyler is/was known for being the most toxic mf in the game. He has changed. Agurin always plays the white knight. And if he is wrong, he simply isnt , because hes rank 1. Now the white knight does shit, he gets punished for it

@@isoldmymumforrp5371 This is true but also to an extent I think the lol streamer space is so down bad for drama and content that they will find any excuse to call somebody out for some shit and get everybody in the space to talk about it, literally every time lol creators cross paths at this point is when its drama or drama analyzation

Yeah Idk how people are defending this bardinette guy.... NOBODY wants to play with him, literally not a single person. He's like "I'm trying my hardest to win even though I pick bard top!" But like... if you're "trying your hardest to win" why the hell are you picking bard top in the first place.

@@TH-dg2mm If he did this strategy with a "normal" top lane champion, I would be saying the same thing. He legitimately decides that his team should find a way to play with 2/3rds of the gold and exp that the map produces, because top lane waves are never collected. Nobody on his team agreed with this idea, he forces everyone to play the way he wants

​@@Pyrrha_NikosIkr? This guy should be gold no? Why is he in masters?

@@Pyrrha_Nikos I mean the other problem is that you can't just pick this cheese shit with every team comp. They have bard top and Malphite mid... that means you have 2 champions that do NOTHING early. Like if you have a super strong early game mid laner you can get away with it, because if you're super strong mid laner rotates to that raptor fight you can in 3v3... but malphite does nothing before level 6. So you have a bard roaming permanently to help a mid laner who can't do anything anyways. Just a complete joke.

Yeah but Janna top was not laning normally, and once people figured out how to play around it, it was being used in professional games. Funneling Master Yi is not playing normally, but again, same thing... eventually pros are doing it because they think it offers best chance to win. Just because most people haven't figured out how to utilize it doesn't mean it's trolling or it shouldn't be allowed.

And this is not the case of that. Stop making weird excuses.

If roaming Bard top completely griefing the game for everyone else involved is inovation then Agurin going afk so that the enemy team lets their guard down may as well also be a innovative strat

@@xBox360BENUTZER I don't understand how these comments are so wildly against different playstyles. You dont get nearly this mad about iron players do you? They settle where they will go, based on strat and ability. Bard top wins to gm for bardinette, other ones will go to iron. Simple as

Will you reach challenger with it tho?

@@nightcall6386 Most people lack basic logic. Not an exaggeration.

if the strategy works and you get 50+% wr then go for it, SOLOQ should be adaptative, if you want a well thought out strategy and perfect plays, go play 5 team flex

Just double proxy in their base to collect waves mid and top at the same time. You get double gold and your mid has perma prio.

​@@jinzo-senpai2974are we just gonna expect our team to instantly adapt every game 🤷🤷

Bro lane swap Mate almost do this;top lane gets nothing, you give all the resources and plates to adc.

@@philcabauatan9089 Yes. It's solo q. So every game is pretty different. Adapt and win or lose to it the next game.Well if Clusterrockets strat does work. It's not uncommon. Their have been so many funnel strats that it doesn't even sound troll imo.

Bro! So many waves are lost top - so much XP and money for the entire team! How can this be a good strat lol! Sure, sometimes on lower elo you get some kills and get the game rolling cause you're much better in the game in general but most of the time you just suck your laners XP and create 4v5 like in Augurin's game... you shouldn't force your teammates to agree to that...

Agreed, I feel this strat would be so good with strong pushing sidelanes, but when you’re playing Zyra jungle, you can’t just ignore camps and perma gank. And the fact that it is Malphite mid as well makes the bard pick much worse.

Ppl forget thay baus had alot of game solo carry entire team with his infinite scaling champ, and baus can play meta

No the reason Bard is bad in this case is because the rest of the team inted. Everyone on the team (including Agurin) put themselves in a much worse position then when the game first started and it got out of control quick. All that matters is who kills the Nexus first.

So? Fuck Riot, who cares what riot wants new playstyles are fun and can advance the game but riot comes in and stops anything that is even a bit fun.

I believe you mean unorthodox.

​@@Raymuklol you don't even know how this strat and you just jump in. "Riot try to stop fun strat" they stop the strat because it is only fun for the user at the expense of the team.

@@nabkill0134 oh yes thank you!

@@Raymuk When you say 'a bit fun', I would like to remind you that almost no one likes this playstyle as it is frustrating as expressed by majority (streamers or players).

THIS

Not only the bard but the malphite and pyke too

Horrible take by Caedrel. he's trying sooo hard to defend this puke

It was good because it was good is your argument. Also the bard is in high elo, clearly it is successful

Like it's so insane, if he managed to climb to master with this pick then it obviously works? It is the objective truth, does it get worse the higher elo you get get? probably. That doesn't change the fact that's it's a viable pick, delusional players.

@@cinas2988 thats because he is good bard player. Has nothing to do with this dogshit strat

@@egozocker14 how do you know? Maybe he gets shit on if he tries to play bard support

He literally played with him already. Not sure how he reacted back then to it. But there is a clip of him having him top and reading his powerpoint

​@@XIplupIX He put on circus music and laughed at his teammates running it down. They still somehow won the game. xdd

​@@XIplupIXand part of that PowerPoint was a slide that said if bard gets banned then he will lock in illaoi and run it down. His stats on illaoi are 2/7.2/3 btw

They did get matched together, bard went 3/4/27 and the team stomped with a 46-14 scoreline. The toplaner was also hitting t2 at 13 minutes into the game and ended at 3/7. The strat can work, it's why they're higher elo than basically everyone in this comment section.

Do you understand how high elo works? You think Caedrel has never played with him? Caedrel has played thousands and thousands of games in EUW Masters+, and this guy has been up there with him for years now. It's inevitable they will play many games with and against one another. Especially because they play different roles

Calling master 500 LP GM is a stretch imma be honest

While sure that argument might sound good on paper, he's 50% wr running it every single game. Not one game isn't coinflip.

I hate Bard, only Keria should play it.

@@Dave-sc2ey he still is consistently at an ELO to play with these people who are complaining. He doesnt just get lucky to reach master 500LP and stay there with this strat.

​@@gusti14 Beryl* noob.

I think the problem is that Agurin is such an insufferable crybaby toxic asshole lately. So when someone who is super toxic does something bad, the entire community jumps on the opportunity. Like if you've watched Agurin stream since Korea... he literally complains and flames his team nonstop the ENTIRE game and it's EVERY game.

And Sion ADC xD

btw ady LCKCL korean toplaner hit rank 1 korea with janna/taric/thresh top, if you don't want to play with these kind of different playstyle just get better to avoid queuing in his elo or dodge the game, it is that simple

@@davidsamy brother no shot while i dont agree with ady's playstyle i can see why he does that but no shot youre saying bardinette and ady are at the same level ady lanes when he needs to if you watch some of his games bardinette just goes weeeeee i roam?!!?!?!?!?!?

@@Darkyryus_ they are not the same level for sure, but again if he got 53% winrate on EUW masters and peaked GM with dogshit strategy then the whole elo is dogshit as nemesis said, so people need to stop hating on bardinette and if they don't want to play with him either dodge his games or get better and hit challenger to not be in his lobbies anymore

Yeah it’s kinda annoying to see him just go with the most uncontroversial take. If he just doesn’t care then sure whatever but he definitely does come out looking like Bardinette’s lawyer while not committing to it at all in this clip.

Me when the new thing is coinflipping bot and giving top 5 plates full tower uncontested farm

All I will say is please have a take AFTER you have played a game with him :D

@@fiorane I played with him as jg and it was horrible, our samira lane won vs cait leona and mid was even - but the enemy aatrox scaled too hard pushing 2 towers freely without getting answered. Still since its low master I don't care moving on games aren't your life.

Let me play like this in your game then let's see if your opinion change😊

Nice reactionary take. Have bard top in your team with malphite watching you get 3 manned in your jungle for the whole game and lets see your reaction then.

Losing an inhib before 20 is actually good. He doesnt force his team to play around him, he is the one to play around his botlane and jungler so they can beat the fed toplaner later on. The thing is that he puts all his responsability of being a toplaner on his jungler and adc. + his strat is working cuz he is master so that aint inting

@@erwangoasdoue1721 you have a tumor if you think that losing a inhib at 20 min is good you also have a extra tumor for thinking his strategy is a decent one

With his win rate, he's kinda just coin flipping everygame hoping his teammates could carry him. Saying this strategy is "working" is pushing it.

U c I agree with u but out of curiosity do you think Agurin should’ve gotten banned cuz I still think he should’ve

@@bachy4975 Me when i coinflip to masters

Dude just literally gets carried every win he gets, he does nothing but make it more difficult for his team. Anyone can reach masters and have 53% winrate, that's just how soloq works, most matches are a coinflip unless you're actually good. Low elo 4fun redditors trying not to cheer for a clown challenge: impossible

"this is the equivalent of going to play pickup basketball, and once you're in game you go 'oh btw team i only shoot half court shots and if you don't pass me the ball to do so, i won't play defense so you're effectively down a man.'" It's not an equivalent by any means. In basketball, this strategy wouldn't get you into any good team. You legit wouldn't even be playing. Bardinette tho, is playing at a really high level, legit 0.1% of playerbase, so his strategy works, even if you dislike it. I really find it disgusting how many people dislike unconvential playstyles, but to each their own I guess.

@@verloreneseele8898 he's playing in pub matches. he is not playing pro. that is the difference. he is a 1 trick that utilizes a troll strategy that ruins games and he only wins because his champ is useful in spite of completely ceding top lane. the analogy is totally accurate. it's not my fault you're not smart enough to logically connect the two.

what about baus? cause thats the same argument

@millionelectricvolts6117 I mean for me personally the Baus is also the same. He has his way of winning (Strat). But it is only/mostly meant for solo queue + people being tilted makes sense. But for sure being AFK like what caedrel said is another problem.

​@@millionelectricvolts6117 not really cos this strat is not good enough to carry him out of Master. Baus strat is proven workable on different champions and you can reach challengers with them. It's not a bad strat like this one.

You cant even compare it with Ady tbh not even close to level no way he roams but he remains extremely impactful throughtout the game.