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Calculating Scale | Workbench Wednesday 

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It's Q&A time at the workbench, and this week I'm answering a question about calculating scale. Figuring out the scale of a miniature when it's not readily apparent might be a little trickier than you think. It requires a little educated guesswork, a few assumptions, and a smattering of math!
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Dave
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@MakeItWithCalvin
@MakeItWithCalvin Месяц назад
As someone who's done a lot of freelance 3D modeling for model train kits, something worth noting is that just because it's scaled properly, does not mean visually it will look right. Sometimes a little "scale fudging" is required, but that's where your artistic eye comes into play!
@ChristopherDennie-tc5jt
@ChristopherDennie-tc5jt Месяц назад
Think you could make a 3 rail o gauge version of Bock Lumber Co #1 f(the little standard gauge 0-4-4 forney at the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum) for all us o gauge loving Hoosiers? If you watch Hyce’s videos, I think it’s boiler is about the same as the D&RG Montezuma.
@lifeisagift.cherisheverymoment
@lifeisagift.cherisheverymoment Месяц назад
Calculating appreciation for all the time and effort you put into your videos. Very entertaining and informative. Thank you.
@owentorres2389
@owentorres2389 Месяц назад
GI Joe/Star Wars action figures are roughly 1:19 scale? British outline live steam is roughly 1:19 scale. Dave, you’ve created a monster in my garden today 😅
@fastadam11
@fastadam11 Месяц назад
There are many free online scale calculators that make converting easy.
@ThunderMesaStudio
@ThunderMesaStudio Месяц назад
Useful if you know the scale you are converting from.
@andyellis4594
@andyellis4594 Месяц назад
I was involved in architectural steel fabrication for many years and quite often I would be given a photo of something that a customer wanted and I would use known features in the photo to create a scale to determine and design the features required. Once the scale is determined I can use it to work out forced perspective elements. People can come up with some interesting ideas for their custom homes. Thanks for interpreting a very useful topic.
@dougsundseth6904
@dougsundseth6904 Месяц назад
"28mm scale" is used to imply that an average human would be 28mm tall (or possibly 28mm from bottom of feet to eye level) in that model line. If you have a model of a horse, or a child, or a dragon, or an M-4 Sherman, or whatever, that model would be (in the eye of the manufacturer) scaled appropriately to the human reference model. Some manufacturers are better than others, and modelers are notoriously bad at intuitive understandings of the sizes of stuff. Most modelers, for instance, pick vehicle models that are much too large for the figures they're using for a variety of (fairly interesting) psychological reasons. There are various ways of finding a scaling ratio for figures like that, but a decent rule of thumb is to divide the actual height of the figure by 1800 (30cm = 1', close enough). If you measure "28mm" figures, you'll find various heights, but 30mm is probably close, which gives you a scale of 30/1800, or 1:60. For which S-scale stuff works pretty well. This is complicated by the fact that figures made for gamers and figure painters tend to use a different set of exaggerations than figures made for model railroads. Preiser figures, for example, tend to be quite tall and skinny for their scale (probably close to 8 heads high). Gaming figures tend to be closer to 5.5 heads high and have larger hands than an actual human, so they're much bulkier for their height. When you're looking at a scale model of a manufactured item, it's pretty easy to just put a ruler up against the prototype and then multiply by the scale to get the right size for the model. This doesn't work as well for people, since they don't come out of standard-size molds. 8-) And even in case of manufactured items, there are things that can't be cast at the correct size, because the plastic can't flow into something that thin, so scale is always an compromise.
@loispadgett6306
@loispadgett6306 Месяц назад
Thank you that was ever informative about calculating scale. You make it fun to learn. GOD BLESS 🚂 💕 🚂 💕 🚂 💕
@ChristopherDennie-tc5jt
@ChristopherDennie-tc5jt Месяц назад
Speaking of 3d scanning and printing, have you ever thought about making a 3d model of yourself and using it on the TM2025 layout, just thought it’d be fun to have a shrunk down version of yourself on a model railroad.
@bradcraig6676
@bradcraig6676 Месяц назад
This was useful. Many people coming into modeling via tabletop gaming or action figure dios do not have the basic knowledge of how scale works, and they need a clear explanation, not some complicated table on Google.
@PlanetMojo
@PlanetMojo 14 дней назад
Older doors vary greatly in size, especially front doors. .
@charlesmorschauser5258
@charlesmorschauser5258 Месяц назад
The thing about your small and cute on30 is that it is way compressed from full size o scale o scale takes a huge amount of space not saying your approach is wrong there are so many flavors in our great hobby
@ThunderMesaStudio
@ThunderMesaStudio Месяц назад
On30 is O scale. One foot in On30 is the same as one foot in standard O scale. Narrow gauge equipment is just physically smaller, as are many of the structures one might find in western mountain mining towns. But the doors, windows, figures, horses, wagons, dogs, and vehicles are the same as on any O scale layout. But you are correct that many On30 modelers use a lot of selective compression and characterization in their work, myself included. That's a part of the appeal.
@mikeV2848
@mikeV2848 Месяц назад
This helps alot.as I have ideas but having trouble getting it into my scale.
@poppystrains
@poppystrains Месяц назад
Thanks for another informative video. I had misjudged the door height, so it was good to be told the right size again.
@railfilm
@railfilm Месяц назад
Hey Dave Yes the main scale calculation is correct, but in model railroad we are dealing with many different subscales and challenges. Just look at the wheels. They are usually much wider than the original or look at your wonderful hills and rocks. They are usually much smaller than the scale size would be. Or look at the distances, in the real railroad you will hardly find a station or signal in 1 mile distance, what would be 130 inches on your scale layout. It is very complex and more artistical than mathematical question. John Allen used even smaller scales in the backround of his layout to force the perspective.😊 Eugen from Austria
@ThunderMesaStudio
@ThunderMesaStudio Месяц назад
Very true, but all of that is getting into the topics of selective compression, characterization, and compromise. A good subject for a future video!
@timothyboles6457
@timothyboles6457 Месяц назад
I'm working through a design right now, using 3 different measuring devices, and 3 different scales, headache conversions
@royreynolds108
@royreynolds108 Месяц назад
I am thinking of a number of dioramas in an exhibit building at the fairgrounds in Shreveport, LA that were built years ago showing life and scenes in different parts of Louisiana. They were all built using forced perspective from front to rear and multiple scales to make the scene look deeper. It would be like using F or G scale models up close, then O scale, then S scale, then HO, then N scale, and finally Z scale but spaced from front to back to appear to be one continuous scene. Scale is 1 to 48 or O scale, HO is 1 to 87 or 3.5mm=1 ft or 12 in, S is 3/16 inch to 1 foot(12 inches). You can not use the gauge of the track for scale unless you know what the full-size gauge is or was; just like knowing what the height of a door is or was.
@andreasatlars4281
@andreasatlars4281 Месяц назад
28mm is about 1:55 scale by the way. At least they're supposed to be. They always seem to vary a little in size.
@thoughtengine
@thoughtengine Месяц назад
28mm is 1/64 scale. This is a real number. Gaming sculptors do not conform to real numbers. They certainly haven't conformed to 1/64 since the '80s, if that. Then when GW and others came up with Heroic scale we got figures that are a different scale every which way you measure. Also factor in the old school sculptors who measure to the eyeballs and the newer ones who measure to the scalp. The 5.5mm society accepts anywhere from 1/60 to 1/50, so just pick one and go for it.
@mikeelliott2736
@mikeelliott2736 Месяц назад
@@thoughtengine You are mathematically correct. However, most 28mm figures have heads larger than they should be, so are somewhat "comic" style. It's not obvious until you put a 1/64 scale model vehicle next to one. Then you realise that they appear bigger than the vehicle. This is why most wargamers use 1/56 vehicles with 28mm figures.
@Wilett614
@Wilett614 Месяц назад
Simple Answer ! Figure out the size(SCALE) to a REAL LIFE Object and DIVIDE !! EASY : ))
@ThunderMesaStudio
@ThunderMesaStudio Месяц назад
That’s exactly what I explain how to do in the video.
@johnbeck3270
@johnbeck3270 Месяц назад
Doll houses are marketed as”scale” and “1/2 scale. This is confusing until you realize that in these peoples’ world “scale” is 1”=12” and “half scale is 1”=24”. I learned this little tidbit when I got interested in large scale model railroading. That, however is another subject all together. Love your column on You Tube. By the way I hated to see “Gruesome Gulch” go, but I hope it went to a good home.
@1995express
@1995express Месяц назад
Say if one were to convert measurements from one modelling scale to another modelling scale: in my case, for example, I want to convert the dimensions of a 1:16 scale freelance locomotive down to 1:87 scale so that it can run on HO track, would the mathematical procedure be the same, or would there be some additional calculations?
@ThunderMesaStudio
@ThunderMesaStudio Месяц назад
Try the Woodland Scenics Model Scaler app: woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/page/modelscaler
@kevsmodellingminute
@kevsmodellingminute Месяц назад
I've always used metric, but I've been tackling inches this year as it makes sense for my 1-24 layout. I try to avoid feet though. And I have to count the ruler divisions for any fractions smaller than 1/4". Inevitably, I end up double checking in mm. Apart from Evergreen Styrene, does anyone use decimal inches in modelling?That's one can of worms I'm not opening. Cheers, Kev.
@AndrewJohnson-ur3lw
@AndrewJohnson-ur3lw Месяц назад
Where doors are not visible I have heard of folks working out based upon the brick courses. Similarly if planks are used they are often a certain size.
@stoomtram_in_de_tuin
@stoomtram_in_de_tuin Месяц назад
A ratio gives better insight like 1:48. A letter can be regionally define like US 0-scale = 1:48 while European 0-scale = 1:43.5 or even 1:45. G-scale US = 1:24 and G-scale European = 1:22.5. No one is wrong or right. It is a guideline for your build to represent the real world. Whatever the scale you are building in: enjoy the build!
@ChristopherDennie-tc5jt
@ChristopherDennie-tc5jt Месяц назад
Why does Europe have to add the extra .5? It sounds more fudged up than OO gauge when compared to HO
@stoomtram_in_de_tuin
@stoomtram_in_de_tuin Месяц назад
@@ChristopherDennie-tc5jt h(alf)0 scale = 1:87 then 0 scale then 1:43.5 (double the size)
@prc789
@prc789 Месяц назад
@@ChristopherDennie-tc5jt because it's 7mm to the foot for O, 4mm to the for for OO , 3.5 mm for HO and 2mm to the foot for N (1:160, 1:!52, 1:150 and 1:160 as at that small size it doesn't really make a lot of difference)
@railfilm
@railfilm Месяц назад
@@ChristopherDennie-tc5jtsome US manufacturers used for H0 the scale 1:87.1 or 1:87.2 who knows why?😊
@johnschutt9187
@johnschutt9187 Месяц назад
Where did you get your paint rack that's shown on the wall behind you? I need to find one. Thank you!
@johnmcanulty7341
@johnmcanulty7341 Месяц назад
Two words: Proportional Dividers. One word: Paragraphs.
@ThunderMesaStudio
@ThunderMesaStudio Месяц назад
Three words: Thanks for watching.
@royreynolds108
@royreynolds108 Месяц назад
Are you thinking of a "pantagraph" for changing sizes for scaling something? And I am not talking about the current collection device on the tops of train locos or tram cars.
@Miqnayahu
@Miqnayahu 7 дней назад
So 28mm = 72 "...or 6 ft....28 mm is about an inch( 24.5)...so 1=72...so 1/72 scale?
@SkipJack1950
@SkipJack1950 Месяц назад
Hey, Dave. Quick question... I thought you mentioned you download your figures from a website but can't remember which video I saw that on... could you share the website with me?
@ThunderMesaStudio
@ThunderMesaStudio Месяц назад
I get most of my figures from Mini Prints: www.miniprints.com/ And Knuckleduster Miniatures: knuckleduster.com/
@SkipJack1950
@SkipJack1950 Месяц назад
That's right... I remember now lol. I had just watched a video (actually, RU-vid puts you on a binge watch lol) while I'm modeling. I remember you saying that, just couldn't figure which video it was in.
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