@@hmoobmikah almost 50% percent less according to the wages in the video. Where im at i make 45% more and my job covers my health insurance and i pay $75 a month for full coverage. Also i get to invest in what i want instead of leaving it up to the union. I have cousins in California in the LA are that work for unions and some that dont. The ones that dont have full coverage insurance but they are paying $120. I dont need someone to negotiate my wage because im a good worker. Unions are for lazy fks.
@@hmoobmikah if your a lazy pos a union is perfect for you, but if you actually enjoy your job it is worthless. All my cousins that are union in LA just brag about how easy they have it, while my cousins that aren't union laugh at how little the union workers make while still having great benefits and the ability to invest all the money the unions steals.
People need to understand that wages change from city to city. In Los Angeles Union laborers journeyman wages with benefit package equals $66/HR. $42/HR take home Union electrician journeyman wages with benefits package equals $91/HR…$59/HR take home.
@@thebootybandit7322only $36 in San Fran? That’s really low but then again it’s laborers. Do you plan on going to a higher paying union or sticking with them?
@@rogerrabbit616 we just got the raise to 36.25 it was 35 an hour about 4 months ago but I’m with a demo company we do have some guys from local 3 operators union our company does sponsor guys if they would like to switch over I’m hoping I can do the same in a few years but for me since I’m already a journeyman with laborers if I were to switch I would have to take a big pay cut and start over with a different union I was talking to a union electrician at this job site im on right now and he said apprentice start is 15 an hour for Sacramento and I don’t know about that I am only 22 years old but I been feeling a little stuck 😕 I know in the long run it will be worth it but it’s a big pay cut I would have to take for the next 4-5 years until I can journey out
for those who don’t know/understand prevailing wage. I can be a non union electrician and I’m on a jobsite at an amazon factory. I’ll get whatever my regular wage is, lets say 40/hr. Once that job is complete and I get sent to a high school. Depending which county that school is in I’ll get THEIR prevailing wage for a non union electrician lets say $90/hr. Once that job is done I could go do a job at a train station in alameda county and the prevailing wage there could be $110 an hour. Prevailing wage is determine by two things. The county you’re working in and the type of jobsite. The jobsite has to be something funded by public monies, a school, hospital, college, water treatment plant, a govt building, etc. So as a non union tradesman youre not making prevailing wage all year long it depends on the jobs your company secures. Then the job varies in length, could be two months only. Anything outside of those public money places like a shopping plaza, a big warehouse of some company, you’ll earn your normal wage determined by your company. a union worker already has prevailing wage built in but it is distributed through their packages for them. Whereas the non union person needs to have the discipline to pull all that extra hourly money off of a prevailing wage job and actually invest it into their retirement. Thats why you see a lot of tradesmen living high off the hog because theyre spending that money now, they can say oh im getting such and such a year but that includes that extra pay you should be putting into retirement accounts. Some non union cos have smartened up and theyll stop 3-5% of that prevailing wage for retirement for you so that way you at least have something.
My pops grew up in Sweden dropped out of school age 15 and started working as an electrician, at age 18 he joined the Svensk military where he received his electrical ticket then went on to working as an electrician on cruislines, moved to Canada and began working at deep sea oil rigs all around the world and got promoted to Chief electrical engineer by his early 40’s. He basically skipped all education requirements and started making well over $150kUSD a year while by the age of 40 while living in Canada. A few months ago he had to cover overtime (staying a few extra days on the rig) and the overtime pay was $2300USD every 12 hour shift. That’s $3,151CAD a day ($262 an hour). You should def believe a $70 per hour check mate, because blue collars make a fucking killing. Best of all, their education gives them grants for gas money, grants at the end of each term and 80% of the time, the employers cover the tuition 😅
Lots of jobs out here. It isn’t all bad . Yeah cost of living is expensive but there are endless amounts of opportunities here . I make $100,000 with just my day job not including side jobs/projects .
Lol those electricians are only making that much because its a prevailing. When they finish that jobs they are going back to $30 max without benefits. Also those union laborers are apprentices because all journeymen make prevailing wage.... so really those union guys are still making way more than those non union workers.
That’s not always the case I worked non union PW 2019-2022 and made over 110k every year now that I’m back in the union I’m not seeing anywhere near that lol but I guess it varies
@@erikthekid1252union is way batter all year around making money..this guys is comparing laborers vs electricians...union electricians make about 80-90 hr in california..im a union carpenter we make 62.30hr...and getting a bump every july till we get to 70...we get vacation check every feb 1 around 4000-5000...laborers are the lowest paid but great benefits
Join a union bro, I started at 12$/H non union here in PA, I am now making 22.58/H + benefits as a union apprentice! You re basically doing the same work for way less money!
@@Hitman.13.Where the hell did you start working where you agreed to $12/hr? Should start at least at $16 with no experience, $18 with experience and then by end of the 8,000 hrs you should be close to $25.
@@eats4cheaps305 I started here in PA at 12$, started getting a dollar raise every couple months, then joined the union started making 19.75, now I am 1 Year in the union I am making 22.58, when I become a Journeyman I ll be around 50$/H on the check + medical benefits + retirement, the apprenticeship is 5 years though. I have applied for every single Electrical contractor in my area, and only 1 gave me a chance, started me at 12$/H wasn't easy since I was 30 and MARRIED! so not a kid, but I stuck to it, learned alot and made it work.
Thats not true i am an ibew journeyman we got annuity, pension,payed vacation,great Healthcare vision dental ...extra ..add to that double pay when you work Sundays and triples in holidays
That's just awful that they're not receiving those benefits, especially when they could be electrocuted and die at any minute. I know some people personally that have died from being electrocuted while working with wire's
Just like truck driving. Owner operators make more money but they're responsible for everything, insurance both vehicle and medical, fees, retirement, fuel, maintenance, tires.
This was a little vague prevailing wage is set by unions to the DIR non union does not make that unless they work on a public works or federal job the rest of the time they get paid between 20 and 45 dollars an hour with little to no medical or retirement
That’s a good package. I know the electricians in IBEW 100 Fresno area get 44.50 an hour the fringe benefits package is around 28 an hour. Total package is 72.50 an hour.
Prevailing wage was set by labor unions. There’s equality in the unions. A lot of non union guys will hate but if we all work together we can all have a seat at the table.
So I made an updated video that has way more information tied to it. Check it out here : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C-j3raUAg3o.htmlsi=yYJ2lFEBbrF1L3rp
Wrong…maybe in Montana or some shit our total package as Union sparkies is about $120 an hour…so if they are private electricians that’s what they should be getting
You should be able to search what ever trade your looking for and add union and city and that should get you close so search laborers union Miami Florida as an example.
Just finished my Electrical schhool to trade class. Did Residential/Commercial/Industrial . Dont know where to apply. Union or non union. any tips from both sides?
If you’re are in California check out IBEW for the Union in your area. Where are you located? If you have experience they can get you into the Union as a journeymen depending on how much experience you have. If not you can get into the apprenticeship. @jasonbalmaceda6579
If you don’t want to work Union you will need to find a company that does mainly prevailing wage work. For example schools, courthouses,colleges, roads/ highways etc. you’ll need to know if the company is Union or non union.
Alright, so you take your own money buy your own insurance. Your own retirement account and now you're running yourself instead of somebody else running you. And you're making more In a long run..
Non union yes. Union they'll need some proof that you passed High school and algebra 1. You can take some college classes to show that you passed algebra 1. The requirement to join union isn't hard. It's the aptitude test, and interview that's hard. Join union. Better pay, treated better.
So it’s definitely not “free”. I misspoke on that part. They pay into as part of their hourly package toward their fringe benefits. I made an updated video explaining this a little better. You can check it out here : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C-j3raUAg3o.htmlsi=yYJ2lFEBbrF1L3rp
@@DangItDylan Fair enough. Our package requires us to work 130 hours a month to make the health premium every month. Not necessarily free health care but, I would rather see that money on the check and use VA.
Many non union workers get their insurance covered by their job, as well as matched 401k. I got non-union and union cousins in the LA area. Fk the union if you aren't lazy af. Only thing my union cousins talk about is how they do nothing while watching the non-union workers do their job.
I agree, their are some lazy union companies. But I’ve worked non union and union. It mostly just depends on the company. I’ve seen really hard working people both union and not union. Whatever works better for you and lets you get paid what you’re worth I say choose that.
@@james25980yes, purchase all your tools on the tool list ASAP, because once you reach 4th semester, you will need to show ALL your tools to participate in the lab portion. And as soon you get your certificate or degree, join local 11, they will waive the aptitude test for you, good luck
I was always busy working in the laborers union and the operators union. It’s not the same for everyone though. I’ve heard of people being on the out of work list for a long time. I put out a new video explaining this a little better. You can check it out at this link : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C-j3raUAg3o.htmlsi=KM5eWDxsNf2kWJ8Y
Union...when there is no Union work, you have to sit at home and go bankrupt. If you are caught taking "laborer" work, you can be back charged by the Union for every single penny you earned on that non-Union job that you took to feed your family ... and the courts will uphold the bill as you entered into a legally binding contract. Not Union...boss pisses you off, walk down the road and apply for a different job. No work, move to the next place and get hired. Show your loyalty to the company instead of to a union...might get you more company rewards versus getting your Union more rewards... Just a thought....
I just moved to union and I would go back to non union in a heartbeat for 100 dollars a hour. I can’t get back charged for doing that because I didn’t get my education and schooling through them. I did hear, that if you go through their apprenticeship you have to do another 5 years as a journeyman, for a total of 10 years.
Yeah once you make journeyman as a union apprentice, you will need to stick with them for 5 years to pay for your free school tuition. I guess those people didn't hear or read that fine print when joining the union.
That’s true. I’ve had a union rep call me in the past and tell me who I should vote for to “help support the union” but believe it or not, majority of all the people I’ve worked with in the union are all very republican.
