California State University sees drastic enrollment drop 

Studies show that all that extra cost is in administration and better dorms. Administration grows as government requirements grow. The dorms getting fancier were for competition amongst schools. Just fyi.

Same with the trucking industry: freight rates tendered have gotten lower while inflation keeps going up… makes zero sense

@@commonsense126 Corporate greed is driving this.

@@dragonfly6320 Corporate greed. The fact is that executives are making 400 times more than the average worker, when it was once 40% more fifty years ago. Also, dividends. 5%-6% growth on investment used to be the norm. Now it's got to be well over 20%.

​@@ldfreitas9437read Freedoms Forge then I'll discuss that topic with you.

Crazy cus thats damn near every entry job pay now

Not worry. Idiot Newsom is forcing fast food restaurants to pay a $20.00 minimum wage. That will not increase rent in the slightest

Yeah, and there are some good union apprenticeships that pay about that and let them earn while they learn. We could use more people in this state that can build the houses and fewer who write the RFPs or more counterproductive propositions or regulations.

Yea In N Out pays that to front line employees, so does Panda Express. For years CSU and UC would gladly take your money for that arts or humanities degree and now that the societal bill has come due, they're scratching their heads as to why enrollment is dropping. All those PhDs on campus and you can't figure this one out?

I make more than that driving a forklift.

I dropped out of community college and was able to get a 6 fig job within 4 years in the banking industry, when I was hired i was making more than fresh 4 year graduate

what was his degree

Teach woke and trannism people will run away

If it were slavery, he won’t be getting paid….

The ones graduating from the "good schools" are only doing so with the hope of being a slave master/ceo one day

That’s one of the many things that stopped me from trying to get into college, I suck at math and I failed every algebra class I’ve ever taken and really don’t want to lose out on a degree because I can’t pass one class!

Absolutely, it is insane that Engineering students are forced to take “Dances of the old world” or courses in Sociology to get a degree about designing buildings and machines.

Yes I remember when we joked that you were taking elementary basket weaving as a major

I knew a friend that majored in Slavic languages at UC Berkeley…..he went to work as a bookkeeper for his father

@@jeffereylew581 He could have applied at the state department. Other than that, not much use unless he planned to move to Eastern Europe.

I know engineering, computer science majors who work fast food, retail and even daycare. The daycare worker gave up. The other people still actively applying since 2020 or 2021 depending on graduation year.

@@xwrtk computer engineering graduate here. working minimum wage, right beside all the tech companies in silicon valley. every man and his dog took IT/computer science/computer engineering. not to mention remote work allowed all companies to outsource to pretty much any country in the world. that's pretty much an infinite talent pool that you have to compete with. i feel quite pathetic right now, on the verge of giving up to restart and pursue something else to be honest..

best advice, thank you, hope young people read this.

Should be two years not 3.

I'm glad I went to a community college for a few years and that's it, no student loans. Would be so hard to pay off any loans in this economy.

Usually people who complain about college are ones who did not go or went and obtained an over saturated degree. Meaning that degree is worthless literally or you have a lot of competition. If you would have asked me if my degree was worth it a couple of years ago I would agree with you and say no. Now as a licensed Civil Engineer making 250k and working my set hours of 30hrs a week I say it was well worth it but definitely not easy to obtain. This applicable to the trades, learn an actual “skilled” trade and become the best at it and surely your services and expertise will be well paid and desirable.

Mostly right. Why don’t you look up what the CSU general education requirements are? I don’t know about you but I don’t want coworkers who don’t know how to write or speak proper English, don’t understand basic statistics or biology. We need educated and well rounded workers, not drones who only know their one role.

I hope you find a good opportunity.

I survived off talent and getting jobs but you have to have a degree that means something. But I get the frustration because I’ve had to apply to a lot of jobs in the beginning but after it was easier.

Calling BS. Just cause you have a degree, doesn’t make you employable. At this point, most college students now are seen as a huge liability with their college taught ideologies. Js

What is your field?

Maybe you need to accept the fact that you were taken by a bunch of con artists and you're degree is worthless.

Don't tell em...

People don't understand credits can be transferred all over the place.

You end up with two degrees, your associate’s from community college (CC) and your bachelor’s

That's what I did.

What I’m doing right now*

Engineer is going to be taken over by AI .. possibly also nursing .

Yes. Annnndd you don’t get there by going to a CSU school. .. Jk

You can become a nurse at a community school.

Lawyers don't make much money unless they go to a top law school. I know plenty of people with law degrees who end up doing taxes or work in HR.

@@SirenASMR_ AI can't design the next iPhone. You need engineers to make the next iPhone. AI can certainly do mundane things, but for innovation and design, you need a human to methodically build.

yes welfare at any level creates problems

We are talking about college not bible study fool.

This is just vastly idiotic. Federal student loans and Pell Grants have been available since 1965. The recent increase in college tuition is directly related to reduced state support of state colleges.

Yes, in part that may be true (I was an undegraduate, a senior, in 1965-66), especially for newer colleges. However, the loan programs did have that effect. Older, well-established colleges (especially ivy league schools) took great advantage of these programs to avoid using endowment funds to assist with tuition. They also made big bucks with government financed research and programs. It's very neat, and I saw how it works a bit later in life.

Non forgivable loans … debt slaves will never qualify for a home mortgage

Take a trade training like electrician, plumbing, carpentry...etc...

California community college is free. And if you don't like inflation and other rising costs of living, stop voting for Democrats.

If you dont have a family, take a loan out to live and keep working while trying different NEW types jobs that you can manage during school.

@@jacobariworld5350trade isn’t for everyone

It won’t be easy but it changes your life. Going to college and not really makes a difference in us as individuals. Because what you learn in life, no one can take that away from you. Money can be made by different methods, but your life experiences and what you’ve learned can’t be bought. I had fun in a lot of my courses in school when it came to animation and multi media stuff. I’m done with school now and already learned what I needed. I can’t see myself being in school again at this stage of my life, but glad I did it while I was still in my late 20s.

Yeah that's a huge portion of the student loan problem here, just trying to afford living. I did a transfer from community college to a UC, then went on to grad school for a PhD after that. I ended up with around 100k in student loans despite getting the Pell grant because I was borrowing money just to pay the rent and costs of living so I could focus solely on studying hard and doing relevant internships and research. It paid off for me - I make ~160k a year now 2 years after my PhD and can easily afford my student loan payments, but many aren't so lucky.

​@@mikeydude750 College is largely what you make of it. Many just mess around and don't take it seriously. But when you get the right degrees and take it seriously, it can be the gateway to a better life. But the cost is getting out of control. I transferred from CC to private university for undergrad, and have over 100k in debt. Now looking at another 60k for grad school. College has literally doubled in cost in the past 10 years.

Not trauma. You were simply burned out.

Do you hate your mom? Why were you homeless? That's ridiculous.

@@Fantasyremix not everyone has the luxury of having parents, you insensitive lout.

A perfect comparison!!!

This isn't true. The problem is too many resources going to war, policing, and incarceration, and not enough going to make public universities tuition free.

No, don’t go making sense!

Yes 🙌. I wish I knew this when I was younger

You are correct. Learning a trade worked out well for me! 100k per year as an industrial maintenance worker and no student loans to pay back! And they called me a loser for not going to college… who’s laughing now?😂😂😂

My grandfather believed the same thing. He was a surgeon.

*AI* will replace many knowledge-based "drone" professionals like lawyers.

@@derikuk2967I disagree, I believe that lawyers will be even more empowered with machine learning. The law is argued in court, not mandated. There's also a political aspect of it. I refuse to be ruled by the machine.

That is so true. It is crazy that the stuff you learn in school doesn't apply in most jobs. Maybe there are a few classes. If someone has common sense and willingness to learn attitude, a degree won't make a different. On the contrary, if someone isn't super bright and thinking the college will change that, well.....

Not if you major in certain areas like nursing, computer science, engineering, etc.

Fast food jobs are already getting replaced by automation.

This statement lacks proper context and is short sighted.

@@Nsgbattles I think the original comment is saying that college will net you $3-$4 more an hour than fast food worker. If you have $20-40k student loan, the payback is a lifetime

Wow what a joke, I wonder why anybody even does it right now that's currently working?

Some are literally just there b/c the parents need a baby sitter. Doesn’t make it any easier for the teacher though when the students hate life in general.

For whatever reason Southern California has plushies college, college, college for forever. Never any mention of possibility of going into a trade school. I feel most kids don’t even know that they can until they move to another state which still values trade jobs.

Just depends on your major. City College is amazing, I did all of my pre reqs there, but when I transferred, the Computer Science courses where so intense, you could only take 3 per semester (for a workload of 60 to 70 hours per week), so that was 2 full years. Plus a few pre req's that only can be taken at your transfer school, and it was 3 years in total still. The problem is a lot of those pre reqs are easy classes, and they intend you will take 2 CS classes and 2 pre reqs per semester. But when you transfer, it's too late for that. So it's not so black and white, I had to pay rent for an extra year (5 year BS degree instead of 4 if I went straight to the school), so did I really save money? I don't really think so.

to get a 4 yr degree that employers require.... I went to CSM and its way better than the more expensive SJSU. I am going for my accounting degree and hope to be a CPA which requires a 4 yr degree.

Exactly and that is what I did.

And you get free tuition at a community college (at least in CA anyway) so you can't beat that

SF State honestly felt just like the community college. If you want to do all 4 at univ, might as well get a real college experience like UCSB, Call Poly, or at the very least Santa Clara Univ

Plus AI is taking over everything so best to get a job as a AI technician

If you don't have a degree then you hit that glass ceiling pretty quickly. Jobs don't really care what kind of degree you have, they just want to see that you have one. I've hit that glass ceiling with part time jobs, that's why I'm graduating this year.

@@nateb9768 Not as easy as you make it sound. Depends on your area and yeah, more jobs are available to you, but some jobs will pay you shit even with a degree. I remember seeing jobs that required a bachelor's degree while paying $3 above minimum wage. Plus, having a degree in a place like San Francisco or Los Angeles doesn't mean shit when thousands of others also have the same thing. It helps, of course, but you're not special.

Psychotic boomers that believe the new generations must be obedient workers.

It's like that in many parts of the world over educated young people, under staffed trades. The next boom industry will likely be senior care for the foreseeable next 25 years. AI ain't taking jobs changing diapers for old people.

Yes. IMO, good paying jobs are based on driving value, such as solving difficult problems, saving expensive people time, generating new revenue, and so forth. Four years of regurgitating known and easy concepts back on tests isn't a valuable skill to anyone.

Only thing guaranteed are those student loans given by the gov, and a higher level of “education”.

Its too risky. They do have the blue to gold program that basically has scholarships and grants pay for a few years but that's not going to work for full tuition seeing most people take 5 years to get a bachelors degree. If you went to community college 2 years then transferred the next 2 years will be paid for but when the money runs out and you still need another year or 2 it's going to get you in at least $60,000 student loan debt at 7% interest which will be at least $120,000 you have to pay back over 20 years.

And if you are White then that consideration becomes much less reliable.

Not even a consideration in some fields.

💯

I have a buddy who majored in Physics. He now works as a truck driver for Ralphs

Universities should not offer degrees that have zero demand. I know two people that got degrees that are worthless. They paid a lot of money for a degree nobody will bother asking about during the hiring process. Then there are the padding of classes that don’t count for the degree. I went to college back in the 1980s. I took almost a years worth of classes that had nothing to do with my degree. And I’m not talking about the woke classes of today but classes that were engineering classes but for a branch of engineering that I didn’t need. I’m an EE major. But I had to take classes that were Civil Engineering only. WHY? This is why college costs so much. The classes today are just more obvious that they are not needed. Gender studies for an engineering degree? Nope, don’t need that either.

@@wvanyar1801 I’m still majoring in Gender Studies. I hope to create my own gender someday

depends on the degree

You mention an important point that people seem to ignore. It is easy to say college is worthless when you are young, but all those trade professions have short self lives. At a later age, people realize that they should have gone to college for long career.

The jobs are not where we were taught to look for them anymore 😐

Seniority means nothing in a non-union workplace.

@asatrenchard3529 A lot of the students were getting jobs in unionized workplaces. Back then it wasn't such a bad idea.

Hey I know you mean well, but an 8% annual increase over a 3 year period is actually a ~26% overall; increase. Sounds like someone needs to go to college...

Someone who focuses on the minute details and misses the point apparently.

@dmar191 its ok if you shop on temu and bought your degree there. You are shopping like a billionaire.

Typically 400% higher than inflation for over 20 years.

@@dmar191did you not check out his/her username

heck of a collage you got

I think you spelled a few of those words correctly.

Next level irony

@@chuckd2435I didn't know what to say, but you nailed it. I'm cracking up over here!

@@NateDohDoubleGee sometimes the B-S just writes itself.

Which trade

@@crishnaholmes7730 electrician

Look at the “improvements “ across the CSUN campus and how much bigger it is. That is where some of the money goes.

When in your opinion, did Community College even be seen as bad? I went to college 10 years ago when I was 18, right after high school. Nobody will tell you in real life that community college is bad. It’s only “bad” if it comes at the expense of going to a more elite school, but that’s not bad just non-optimal. The idea that cc is for losers never made sense to me. If that were true, what does that make the 2/3 of American adults with only high school education or less?

@@0IIIIII I work for a csu, there used to be a bad stigma for going to a community college because of low graduation, low transfer rates and high acceptance rates. For some there still is, but more people are trending towards going.

I know a guy who went to community college and he became a millionaire. It’s not the school it’s the person.

community college is amazing. i got accepted into all the ucs and cal states i applied to after hs but went to community. first two years of cc is free and i’m actually getting reimbursed from the excess from the grants. my cc also has one of the highest transfer rates too. not too sure why it’s looked so down upon. you’re making better financial decisions and it has more flexibility.

how is it bad??? lol 😂 i mean to save a buck ?????😂

70% of businesses turn down prospective employees for not having a degree, even if they have skills/experience. They then hire someone else with a degree and less experience/skills. It's gatekeeping. If you want a white collar job, you can't just not get a degree and expect everything to be fine, especially when the majority of employers will use that as an excuse to pay you less than your peers.

Gotta fund those dei programs to bring racism back into academics

Sounds about right. Say, are there still tech layoffs in the US? I'm from Australia.

@@joet4811 with information that I have yes but we must understand that IT areas are different. If we talking about web then yes if we talking about mechanical engineering software then no. If you skilled in something that brings more money than your time there, well there could be some place unfortunately there are rear openings and most of the time are not aloud people from other countries to participate.

@@ZenionPlay ah good to hear that hard STEM is still going well as it should be. Is programming considered hard STEM though? I remember before and during COVID, people were hailing coding as a job with good prospects and they were even telling us to code if we wanted to steer clear of automation but it seems AI is catching up fast. Also, there seems to be a glut of programmers.

Also Computer Science is heavily saturated. 3 grads for every job opening. It’s quite literally harder to get a job than getting into medical school…

One of the first college graduates that I ever met (BA in Sociology) worked at the Jack In The Box with me, doing the same menial labor.

Hahaha Lesbian Dance Theory.

They have queer, women, and gender studies in general education courses. I'm not even joking.

Only rich people take that shit, often the out of touch type people

​​@@redrevyollike they force u to take i?t

@@mq-r3apz291 Yep, they even sneak in at least 1-2 weeks of racial inclusion in my interpersonal communications course and gender theory in my psychology course.

This is good advice. I wished I had my head on straight in hs to do these kinds of things I was a scared little shit but I’m still young and I’ll start being audacious not afraid to look stupid or to be under qualified but I know I need to learn to challenge myself like this!

Same 😫

What's your degree?

@@lilac624 criminal justice and it has not done anything for me within corrections and judiciary applications.

Have you applied to the police academy??? Something better than nothing. !!!!!!@@thehunterkirsch

@user-nw8zm2wu6oisn’t that a job to be a lawyer?

Go to a community college and learn a trade. Network with people in the industry you choose.

In general, college is an inter-generational endeavor. Parents generate the income that create the opportunity for their children to attend college. If you are not able to pursue a university degree in your own lifetime, you will have to raise children to do that which you could not do. I like the response of one Indian parent to their kids, "Your choice of major is medicine or engineering"

@@safeandeffectivelol that’s not the answer for me, Im an artist, and I want to study art or something meaningful I have done carpentry I do not want to do that for a career. I have sought out community college but the issues are deeper than that, I have looked for help from counseling and get no response. our school system is lacking in funding and resources.

@@lambertlum1087 that’s an irresponsible answer-it basically encourages having children to pursue your dreams for you. on top of that it doesn’t answer the issue of affordability. why have children to send to college when you still cannot afford to send them to college. -having a child means another mouth to feed, housing is already unaffordable, groceries are expensive, then there’s gas water and electric-18 years of expenses before that kid can go to school. -in addition I am a queer child of 4, I am also the youngest and none of my siblings have children as they cannot support a child and dont want to bring a child into a world that isn’t kind or inclusive; that doesn’t have the necessary foundation for sustainability. forcing your lost dreams onto a child who didnt ask to be born or to pursue whatever field you push them into is a recipe for disaster. the point is education should be largely free and accessible and much like water, housing, food etc.. it should be a human right. unfortunately our government uses our tax money to fund the military and militarization of our police so they can fight proxy wars, perpetuate genocide, and suppress the citizens who speak up against their crimes against humanity. we need to think and act bigger than whatever fruitless thoughts you’re echoing.

@@mumble1836 You can always do art after your day job. Face it, art is and always HAS been privy of the idle rich or people who are good enough to have a wealthy benefactor bankroll them.

Most colleges are non-profit.

@@TommyMac Most "non-profits" are complete BS. Administrators are getting rich through them from inflated and unjustified salaries. That's how they profit.

@@TommyMac Funny how "Non-profits" still manage to pay a lot of administrators overinflated and unjustified salaries. That's how they profit.

@@TommyMac Overpaid administrators are where the profit goes.

@@John_Q Salary for paid workers isn't profit, though. So, I think what you meant to say was "Colleges are only about funneling money to administer salaries".

Please they can't even teach that subject

It is good for some people, including me.

It is worse if you don’t have a degree

@@0IIIIII plumber with no degree makes more than you.

People will soon learn that real work will always last. Blue collar will never die.

@@Notme-tq4xs how long does it take for plumbers to earn $70/hr because that’s what I do now as QA for biotech at age 28 with a BS and AS from 2020 and 2019 respectively

For the school to prepare the students for the job market, the school has to raise the standard which means more than the half of students will get the failing grades.

@@thomaskim5008 Which tells you they're mostly diploma mills

@@safeandeffectivelol Yes, schools have to low the standards to graduate enough students who do not develop the skills they need for the jobs. Otherwise, the politicians would not fund the education.

@@thomaskim5008 It used to be that only the highest IQ students and those willing to work hard in high school went to college. The rest went into trades or factory jobs. Now all those factory jobs have been sent overseas where corporations can pay less and not pay for health care and pensions. College has become a racket dooming young people to a lifetime of paying off high loans and never being able to afford a home and family.

@@bauerjanet7887 I do agree but if we follow your argument, only the top 1/3 of the high school graduates should attend college. Closing 2/3 of all universities? Also, the community college offers courses that lead to those jobs you are talking about. So, the community college is not the problem. The problem is students who don’t belong in college.

csu, not uc.

@@orangemoonglows2692true and I don’t think UC schools have a problem except Merced, maybe Santa Cruz, maybe Riverside and Santa Barbara

CC is 20k per semester where you live? In the bay area many CCs are now tuition free.

That's 20 dollars. @@bayoak

The rent+college has become unaffordable in California. Arizona may be affordable overall.

Your advice is outdated

That's just the basics, and there's no reason to re-invent the wheel. Fortunately for the new gens, this is a simple approach---yet they fail to realize that.@@abolisher

@@abolisherand yet the networking part still holds to this day assuming your degree is in STEM, Medicine or finance

What about business?

@@user-uj5ly1eq5n business is very broad. It can be fine, it just depends on what you want to do. But usually people specialize in something - accounting, marketing, finance, human resources, etc. If you do economics then you will have to get a graduate degree to compete in the job market. Try to look at some other things that you might find interesting.

ok boomer

Don't know about the UC system but what I do know is that CSU Fullerton and CSU Long Beach student numbers are up. Interesting to note that overall CSU's were down about 6.5% but the Bay Area schools were down 34%, 24%, 20%. Maybe there is a problem with those schools? (BTW, at least for engineering students from Fullerton, who, 5 years post graduation on average, earn exactly the same as engineering students from UCI and far less than students from San Luis Obispo, maybe it is school specific???)

yes maybe.but I assume they will have similar problems in few years.

Go to your local community college then transfer ?

And the only reason why trades pay well is because they still have good unionization rates

There are jobs in STEM. Just US students cannot compete with students from other countries

@@thomaskim5008these jobs are now be outsourced to foreigners that can do the work and be paid less.

@@migi9311 The outsourcing of jobs has been going on for many decades. The companies prefer US employees but they cannot find them because they are poorly educated. If the outsourcing is a recent thing, how do you explain Union City and Fremont and Hayward and Tracy dominated by Asian tech workers? The problem is not the companies who are outsourcing the jobs. The problem is the students who do not want to study hard and expect to get a high paying job.

The American dream is a scam for most as well

Sw developer wont make but 70k a year.

Go to community college and transfer, simple as that.

Accounting can't be eliminated because you need someone who understands the tax code and can correct crappy tax software entries. I'm in software development now, and it's not going anywhere soon. AI can't write coherent/robust code yet. The ones who should be worried are writers, assembly workers, cashiers, and fast food folks.

@@datusllc1556 You don't need to write code to do accounting, you need to do accounting to do accounting, and AI can memorize every single account rule, regulation, form, and best practice and implement all of them.

Even if you go to UC school?

All while Biden is letting millions and millions cross the southern border. Death from above and death from below. A match lit from both ends--ready to destroy the middle class.

hell yeah

It's not re-education, if you were never educated to begin with.

They played you like a sucker got you trapped with all this debt only to find a job that gave you 3 months to work for them that sucks.

Harvard, that is.

No, it does not.

It depends on you. When I went to college, I learned things I wanted to learn and did well. You get time in college, and part of your success comes from how you use that time.