Do you not understand that for that to be there, it would HAVE to be included in the next shot where we are seeing the same exact angle, but much higher up?
The debate over the Californian will go on forever. What is important to remember are the heroic efforts of the Carpathia, Captain Rostron and his great crew. Rostron was born for that moment. He turned the Carpathia around, gave dozens of orders, got his ship to move faster than it ever did...zigzagging around icebergs, set up aid stations on board and pulled off a miracle for the ages.
Hell and even the Olympic. Though she was far, as soon as they heard the wireless they parted straigh away to help her sister which to this day I find to just be fucking awesome. Sad how she knew she would just be to late anyways. But I agree
He's my great great uncle. I'm surprised anyone other than historians know of him because his credit to saving survivors is almost unheard of these days.
Apparently the Carpathia's passengers were really worried. All they were initially told was to stay in their cabins. The ship started vibrating as its engines ran at maximum speed and they could hear the lifeboats being prepared and swung out.
Commander Gaming no, she's actually just referring to the Titanic. The Californian was not seen in this clip at all, the video maker is simply clutching at straws
Cameron's film is visually and Special effects wise terrific, but other than that the acting is just fair and the awful love and lust of Winslet and Decaprio throughout the film puts a negative into the story. And not including enough about the Carpathia and especially the Californian kills the movie! And let's not even get into the awarding by the academy of 11 oscars, that in itself is rediculous! Ben Hur and West Side Story are much better and deserved their enormous awards! Cameron's Titanic is a good film don't get me wrong, but A Night to Remember from 1958 is much better and very faithful to the whole story, No Questions about it either Period?!!!!
I've read stories about how more a week after the Titanic sank, there were other passing ships in the area that would be stuck by high waves that still carried the dead bodies of some of Titanic's passengers. Some of these frozen bodies would slam against the hull of these ships and float away still in their life preservers
Eva Hart, the youngest survivor of the Titanic to recall the accident, said this about the Californian: "I saw the ship. and it wasn't just a light on the horizon, you could see that it was a ship."
@@TheColinChapman i mean she was seven years old and, given the fact that nobody else said they could tell it was a ship, i'm kinda doubtful that's what she saw.
2:18 good god........one of my worst fears is being left alone, especially in a time of need.....that shot of the Titanic half sunk, in the middle of a black ocean with nothing on the horizon......no hope of surviving......it sends chills down my spine.....
What I wonder is would the Californian have been able to reach them in time without hitting an iceberg and sinking also? They did say that they were surrounded by ice and tried to warn Titanic about the icebergs.
Ofcourse. If it was this close it couldve made IT easily on time. And about those icebergs. They knew they were there so also easier to go around and Just dont go as fast as normal.
Another scene to look for in the 1997 movie is when the camera pans across the sinking ship from the stern to the bow. In it, you can see the mast lights atop the end cabs on the bridge flashing. Captain Smith ordered this to get the Californian's attention along with firing the rockets.
It is so subtle, I could imagine that not being an intentional light. But rather just a rotoscoping mistake. The stars were all cgi, so this could have come from a mask not being precise for one keyframe. I just have a hard time believing this little pixel change is intentional. But I really liked this video and you finding that. Thumbs up!
Captain Stanley Lord did one thing correct that night: He stopped and waited until dawn to find his way around the huge ice field. It's too bad Captain Smith didn't do the same. It's been suggested to me that the Californian may well have not been able to get to the Titanic dodging around all the ice in the ocean. Also, for him to fire up his boilers, get steam up and try to thread his way through the ice, he may not have made it anyway. That doesn't mean he shouldn't have at least turned on his radio to try to find out what was going on. That's what baffles me the most.
I see what you're saying but the Californian would have been able to get to the Titanic before the Carpathia which was 58 miles away and took four hours to get to where the Titanic sank to pick up the survivors. Had the Californian came to the Titanic's rescue, it could've saved more than 705 people. The part about turning off the radio is something odd tho.
@@Firemarioflower No, they didn't. It was bad business to turn up early since the passengers made hotel and travel arrangements that relied on the ship arriving in port on the advertised day. There would have been a lot of displeased passengers had she turned up ahead of schedule. The only newsworthy thing that would have came out of Titanic's voyage was that she was actually on course to beat the average speed that Olympic achieved on her own maiden voyage.
If the Californian's engines were stopped, there would have been no power to supply electricity to the wireless. Evans had been asleep for almost an hour when the first rocket was fired. His ship had been stopped for longer than that. He was aboard a ship that was not carrying passengers on this trip. I don't know for certain, but I would wager that his apparatus needed some down-time in order to re-charge. One small fact that many people overlook is that of ths ships that were out on the Atlantic that night, every other one of them made it into port.
The Californian was close. That's why the Titanic wireless operator told his Californian counterpart to shut up. The signal nearly broke his eardrums. The Titanic's demise was self-inflicted. They were warned seven ways from Sunday, and they disregarded every clue. And sadly, they paid dearly for that.
Your comment is hilarious, their voyage wasn't even going to last seven days they started their voyage at 10th of April Wendsday and was going to end at 16th, also marconi machine broke down in the 13th and caused Philips to work on it for 7 hours straigth and he had to send STACKS of passenger messages and he had priorities and he was still working on clearing that stack so he could finnaly have some sleep so when Californian (rudely)interupted Philips told him to shut up, also Californians marconi machine was too weak to come as a loud noise and it just disturbed Philips, and he already has received like a dozen ice warnings and had succesfully passed them to the captain. Also Titanic was not in imediate danger so she kept steaming full ahead that was the common practise at the time.
@@aviationlover3613 he said "seven WAYS from sunday" meaning more ways than one. Not literally Sunday or the time of their trip. They were warned multiple times.
+1867Phoenix And the bow sinks too late and the bridge too fast. Also, no crowds were gathered around collapisbles A and B. only officer LIghtoller and other crew member can be seen struggling to get them ready while the water washes over the forward boat deck. But there were also 5 women and other passengers who were ready to get into the boats but they aren't there. And the ship was christianed with a bottle of champagne during the launch. In reality, that didn't happen at all.
+1867Phoenix Many survivor's were not believed when they said the ship broke in half until the wreckage was found, It's awful after what they went through to then be called liars for years by people who weren't there.
Bumming Bummer In all seriousness, I've never understood the obsession people have with that romance. People used to associate Titanic with a true story about a big ship that hit an iceberg and sank. Now they associate it with a generic love story that never actually happened and was thrown into the movie because God forbid James Cameron make a movie that isn't a love story. If Jack hadn't died, I don't think Jack and Rose would get half the recognition they do, because other than that it's just your typical, one-dimensional 90's characters who decide to bone after knowing each other for about 2 days.
It's so astounding; the story of Titanic just seemed like the _perfect storm_ of literally everything going wrong, at every opportunity. Just think, if the telegraphs officer on Titanic hadn't gotten upset with the Californian's telegrapher; if the Californian's officer hadn't gone to bed... But was Captain Lord really a coward who didn't want to risk his ship to provide aide? Or did he actually believe that Titanic was in no danger?
would that have really meant he was a coward though? If he genuinely believed there was danger, which there clearly was then what good would it be to have another sank ship and more people dead?
"The upset telegrapher"-myth was created from lack og knowledge of their lingo and culture. It was custom for them to joke around and be rude. They most definitely knew each other, as there wasn't many of them.
@@michaelpetersen3843 No, they definitely had a tiff. Californians telegrapher said as much when explaining why he went to bed. Something similar to what they said in the deleted scenes from the movie, "I thought he was being arrogant".
I know I might be of the minority, but I think it's important to remember that Cameron's version of the Titanic is focused more on the romantic fictional story of Jack and Rose; while maintaining a pretty accurate reflection on the sinking of the ship. However, more minor details like the Californian being many miles away on the horizon were probably not of primary concern.
And that,s what kills Cameron's film. Winslet and Decaprio were featured too damn much and not showing the Californian and the Carpathia in detail is why this film was terribly Overrated! And 11 Academy Awards? Are you kidding! West Side Story and Ben Hur were much more deserving of their enormous awards than 1997s Titanic!!!!!
There are many things wrong with the romance of jack and Rose and the opening se scene. passengers were never allowed on the focsle let alone climbing the jackstaff and waffling on about being the king of the World.
I think it would be nice if a remake A Night to Remember was made. Now that we know so much more about how the Titanic went down compared to what was known back in 1958 and 1997, it will be like a breath of fresh air. I definitely want to see now what the new break-up theory would look like on film.
It's a minor fault actually. Since the movie was film on a reverse angle like that of a mirror image. They probably didn't realized that mistake until the movie was already been released.
I do not know for how long the ship had been stopped or if the boilers were cold. It probably would have taken some time for the Californian to get to Titanic, even if they started firing up the engines when they saw the first rockets. No they probably could not have saved everybody. Maybe not even if they had heard the distress calls on the wireless.
a 1988 documentary "Titanic Mystery" has suggested the mystery ship that Titanic was trying to signal with flares and rockets was a Norwegian sealing ship, perhaps hunting illegaly in the ice field . One of their crewman admitted many years later that they were in the area, and spotted the rockets, but thought they were rockets fired by a US Coast Guard ship on fishery patrol. Hence they never acknowledged the flares or their SOS. The Californian also saw this mystery vessel in the ice field and it too tried to signal it but again, no answer. The Californian would've been in no position to see the distress rockets of the Titanic Eventually the mystery vessel moved off, and only later did did its crew learn of the tragedy in their vicinity. it would seem to confirm why this light on the horizon stayed constant and then disappeared from view by the survivors.
If that was Cameron's idea of the Californian in the distance, he got it completely wrong. First off, the light was waaaaaay too dim. Passengers and crew reported seeing a clear light in the distance. Eva Hart described it like, "It wasn't just lights on the horizon. You could see it was a ship!" Second, the "light" in this video is in the wrong direction. The ship's light was spotted off the PORT bow, not the starboard. Sorry.....this does not help the credibility or accuracy of Cameron's movie.
Cameron actually included it in the later release and he did in fact filmed a scene that included Californian's crew(though this was later cut from the final release).The direction of the light is just a minor fault. The entire movie was filmed on a reverse angle like a mirror image. Everything was filmed in reversed. They probably didn't realized that mistake until it was already too late.
ummm....So being a bit obsessed with this film i actually know what scene you can see it...when Cal grabs Rose as she turns away from boarding the life boat and she spits on him, look behind Cal's left shoulder in the distance, you can see the Californian (The lights from the ship are much easier to see than your shot) And to be fair, i wouldn't try to discredit this video, its just, i really don't see it in your shot, even when you pause it, I don't see anything.
Turn up your brightness and go full screen. You have to look reeeeeeeeal close, ikr it took me a minute but I can see it, it's very blurry but it is visible.
@@ENTERTAINMENT35 Same here. I wonder why they're playing it everyday in the month of October. I remember it was playing on three different channels at once.
The Titanic's wire room was busy wiring stock exchange trades for their wealthy passengers when the Californian was in communication about the looming ice field they were stopped in. The frustrated Titanic wired back; "SHUT UP!" to the Californian so the wire room shut down for the night. Later on several on the deck of the Californian saw the distress rockets from the Titanic but when the sleeping captain was informed he dismissed it. Captain Stanley Lord of the Californian was exonerated from blame for any fault or wrongdoing, especially after due consideration of the facts at the Titanic inquiry.
Titanic inquirie was corrupted beyond any hope. The ship literally broke in half before the eyes of hundreds of witnesses and committee still DENIED that this happened. So you can't take results of any investigations after the disaster without great doubt.
You're leaving a bit out and changing stuff too. The frustrated, already spent 48 hours awake, Jack Phillips, was wiring messages from loved ones aboard the ship when the very close (thus very, very loud) Californian relayed the upteenth Ice Warning he received. Of course he'd tell them to shut up. Despite all that he stayed in that room until 2:17 AM. Sending out CQDs and trying to get any help. Have some respect.
In response to all the comments about A Night To Remember being inaccurate in that it did not show Titanic as breaking up on the surface, this is because the film was made in 1958 and despite witness statement to the contrary, the film makers assumed, as did both the British and American inquiry into the sinking in 1912, that the ship sank intact. It was not until the discovery of th wreck in 1985 that the break up was confirmed
I'm sure I read somewhere (just after Cameron's film was released in '97) that James Cameron was specifically instructed to not make any reference to the Californian in his film if he wanted to get it released. I seem to recall that there was still a court case going on then as to the responsibility of the Californian and her crew to a possible rescue. The family of Captain Stanley Lord of the Californian were attempting to clear the family name. So it would seem that James Cameron had no choice but to omit this part of the Titanic story.
Because the ship hasnt been discovered from the 1958s, so they made it one piece And after the ship was discovered in 1985, James Cameron made a movie about it
@@KirkErin yes but in 1958 surely there would have been some survivors, and had they been interviewed prior to making the movie, they would have said the ship had split prior to the sinking, isn't it?
@@sanjeevparmar6978 they did but there were conflicting stories from other survivors. The board decided it was unlikely it did break up so went with that.
despite what people say about this movie i have always absolutely loved this movie since i was a kid, it was what drew me into Titanic and one of my favourite things has to be just how close the actors look to their real counterparts for the most part.
A mirage fooled the captain of the Californian into thinking the titanic was a cargo vessel. The same mirage effect fooled the watch until the iceberg was immediately in her path.
I wonder if after spotting the Californian's lights, could the Titanic have reactivated her engines and moved closer until she was close enough to contact the Californian with the Morse lamp? I realize this would have hastened the ship's demise, but would it have mattered, given that the Californian could have saved everyone?
Considering the Titanic was going down by the head at a significant rate and taking on tonnes of water every second it probably would have exacerbated the sinking even further. In any case, the two vessels were close enough to communicate via Morse as the Californian had sent a warning message to the Titanic alerting them to the icebergs. Titanic wireless operators were using the night to send the mass of wireless communications from passengers via Newfoundland and when the Californian sent the message it interrupted one such message the Titanic was sending and the Titanic operator sent back a message telling the Californian to shut up because they were busy. So the Californian turned off their communications for the evening. Furthermore, testimony from Californian officers during the British and American inquiries determine the Californian was a mere fifteen or twenty miles away from Titanic and could even see some of Titanic's lights. As such, they were close enough to see Titanic's distress rockets in the sky. As for the Morse Lamp, the Californian actually did attempt to communicate, but, er, Titanic was a little busy at the moment...
Exactly but after all those flares going off. The Califronian should have just made full steam towards her. It really was just common sense that something wasnt right
Someone above made a really great point about the Californian. To paraphrase since I'm too lazy to scroll up a little, haha, Californian's top speed was at most twelve knots. She was in open water surrounded by floating ice.er crew was asleep except for their night watch. They're wireless operator had signed off for the night. The captain was asleep and at first refused to be roused. By the time the nigh watch had determined that, "oh shit, that ship is actually going down!"; had woken the captain, had gotten the wireless operator, had sent a message out of the distress, woken the crew, and gotten the ship running, too much the had passed. It would have taken several long minutes to navigate the conditions, to reach full speed, and by then, it was 2:05am and Titanic was already ass-up in the water. The Californian couldn't have gotten close even if she tried. The best they could have done was hang out near-by and grab people from life boats. They're own boats were so small, and they're were only a few because of the size of the ship. That's even saying if that truly was the Californian on the horizon that night. Though the captain testified and there was record of communications between the two ships, the coordinates are off. There's speculation that it could have been a Norwegian (?) fisher illegally hunting seals and that they were scared off by Titanic's flares as they thought she was signaling that she knew what they were doing and she was coming to get them. This is one of those things that is always going to remain a mystery. I believe the very last survivor died a couple of years ago, and I doubt anyone from the Californian is still alive. Makes for a great convo though!
Pretty sure nowadays if a any form of stream liner or naval ship is in distress and can't use telecommunications and launch flares, ships have to respond. Pretty sure that's only for the US and UK Navy though.
@CSM101 English isn't my first language lol i'm swedish. But i'm pretty sure i read an article on something that said US and UK naval vessels respond to ships sending out flares or any form of distress even without telecommunications
James Moster no If James Cameron said himself then it’s there it’s real so your obviously not listening or skipping important parts because Californian was in both films from 1958 and 1997
>your obviously not listening He said himself that he didn't find any proof that James Cameron actually said this so I think you're the one who isn't listening.
It honestly pisses me off that the Californian heard & seen titanics cries for help and decided to ignore it and not come to its aid even know it was the closest one within distance! They chose to ignore the distress call because they decided they were done for the night there's always at least one person monitoring that system just a sham! What if it was vice versa I bet you they would have wanted Titanic to make sure that they responded!
@@ScaryIsWeird I understand that but once he got offended by the guy saying hes too busy & to shut up he decided to shut it off and not be bothered for the rest of the night
I spotted it. Since I knew very little about the Titanic at the time, I assumed it was the Carpathia, and wondered why it takes so long for them to get there.
I could swear that there was a scene where an officer in the Titanic asks why doesn't that light reacts to their distress lights and another scene from the californian where they assume the distress lights are party fireworks. Perhaps this scene is only in the Cameron's Titanic Explorer CD-ROM?
Cameron read a book by one of the passengers, which told so much of the truth of the sinking. And used a great deal of his writings to make his movie...
After looking at this for decades, I have come to the conclusion that the Titanic and Californian could not possibly have seen each other. There was at least one other ship in the area, and the ship seen from both the Titanic and Californian was most likely the Mt. Temple.
I suggest you read the excellent book "The Titanic and the indifferent stranger" by Paul Lee. An excellent book that concludes that Titanic and Californian were in sight of each other. The ship seen from the Titanic/Californian was not the Mount Temple, she was to the West of Titanic and SW of Californian.
The Mount Temple was on the west side of the ice flow, and she actually reached the position sent out by the Titanic. Any additional progress by this ship was blocked by the heavy amount of ice she encountered on the west side of the ice flow.
Dude honestly that is FAR from a true story , in fact it's total horseshit and it's often not even Titanic we see but the Queen Mary. Andrews is totally out of character and the boat deck was full of people gather around collapsible A and B and yet that movie shows NO ONE there but the officers. Also, the sinking is stupid, fake and it doesn't break. The sinking from bow to bridge is going too fast. Bow was under water at 1:15 a.m. and the water reached bridge around 2:05 a.m. The ship wasn't christened. Yet that happened in Night to not remember. What a shit movie. The captain also looks nothing like the real deal.
The reason Cameron did not make the film as historically accurate in some ways (most of the film is actually very historical, that’s if you are a big Titanic nerd like me lol) is because he wanted to make the film look more dramatic than it really was (I am not saying it wasent dramatic during the sinking, it is just parts such as it going straight up in the air vertically not slanted so water is colliding on both sides)
Well , remember that the film is how Rose remembers all the things she witnessed and lived as a 20-ish year old girl so yeah, she witnessed things from that prespective.
There really was a chain of unfortunate circumstances. Had the Titanic already had a fast motor launch, it would have been possible to go to the other ship and possibly get help.
cause its not there, it was added later after he was accused of wrong doing for leaving the Californian out... he never intended to include it in the first place
An older woman on RU-vid who survived titanic said the other ship was less than 9 miles away, she said it was so close she could make out it was a ship, it wasn’t just a flicker of light in the distance
trust me, she was 7 in 1912 i don't think she remembers the details. Californian was at least 10 Miles away from Titanic, only the mast lights were visible, to actually make out the ship's shape it has to be at least 3-4 Miles away which it wasn't.
You can see Wearhouse lights from buildings off in the distance when Rose runs away from Cal...the lights are fluorescent and obvious not from that time frame or from a "Lifeboat" because there are 5 all lined up perfectly like they wear on a roof. Whoops
The reason they didn’t respond to the distress rockets was because the intervals at which they fired them didn’t follow the distress protocol, they were supposed to fire them out once per minute but they only did it 8 times in an hour. The seamen on the Californian were confused
Not entirely accurate. There was no universal maritime distress protocol at the time, at least with respect to flares. It was the color of the flares, not their frequency, that ended up dissuading Captain Lord of the Californian from investigating.
I spotted it in the film when I was just a kid. I used to be obsessed about the Titanic and when I saw the little light in that scene I nearly flipped from excitement.
I still prefer A Night To Remember over Cameron's Titanic, it has more of an emotional impact compared to the 1997 version, and none of the fictitious embellishments that Cameron felt the need to add. One thing James Cameron did recreate so well though was the Titanic. She looked absolutely stunning in the 1997 movie. So, I'm glad I've got both versions.
@@littlegamer00 it’s all so difficult “ Science “must be wrong somehow I can see a island harbor about 40 miles away from the beach Technically not possible but I do .. mind spinning 😑
This is possibly also the reason Captain Lord advised Second Officer Stone to use the Morse Lamp for signalling. Technically, Stone was the highest ranking officer on the middle-watch when Titanic was firing her rockets. He would have been perfectly within his authority to go wake Evans and get him to telegraph that other ship. But Evans had been in bed for at least an hour when the first rocket was seen and he was fast asleep. Groves said as much. The Californian itself had stopped for the night somewhere between 11pm and 11.30pm which means whatever power was available would have been limited to the mast lights. Steam ships use a lot of coal to cross the Atlantic, even the SS Californian which was a smaller ship than RMS Titanic, and only had one double-ended boiler and one single boiler, needed to eat through a great deal of coal. SS Californian actually started her trip to Boston on 05 April 1912, five days before RMS Titanic left Southampton. It would take her approximately 13 days to reach Boston, whereas RMS Titanic would complete the journey to New York in 07 or 08 days (depending). The fact that SS Californian had to stop would mean that she was put back several hours in her journey. Captain Lord effectively gave up on continuing the journey whilst it was too dark to see the ice-field, but I would wager good money that he intended to steam-up in time for first light. They might need to burn more coal than expected to find their way out of the ice-field. He therefore cut the engines on his ship to preserve the coal supply, just keeping essentials operating. As of 11.30pm Sunday 14 April 1912, he did not see the wireless as being essential. This is also why he wanted to let 'all other ships know' he was 'stopping' for the night and Lord probably figured that all the other steam ship Captains would understand what he meant by that. Evans would have needed power from the ship to work his wireless apparatus. Stone would have needed the Captain's permission to start the engines again. Also, with the many signals flying about the airwaves, Lord probably figured they could look after one another for a few hours. I doubt Captains sleep with one eye open on the off chance a luxury liner might come along and sink within the space of two hours forty minutes. Also, signalling by wireless might be a very chaotic business. At one point even RMS Olympic had to tell other ships to stop messaging as they were all jamming the system. Imagine if you could hear every ship within range all beep-beep-beeping at the same time. Also, it should be accepted that when Evans was using the wireless earlier in the evening, he must have sat quietly and simply listened in on what messages other ships were sending each other. I am of the opinion that Evens only sent messages when his captain requested he do so. When the Captain had asked him 'what ships have you got' he replied the Titanic. The Captain then said, 'Tell them we have stopped (or we are stopping) for the night. Some people have read this as being directed at the Titanic, but I believe Evans read it as a message to be sent to all the ships that were within range of his 250 mile antenna. Why send a message to one particular ship when you can send it to every ship within earshot. That is also why Evans didn't include the Titanic's own specific wireless code with the message. When he sent out this message it blasted the ears of Phillips on the Titanic, which proves that Evans hadn't been sending messages constantly during the last hour of so, because Phillips would have been aware that Evans wireless was close as it would have got louder to Phillips as the Titanic closed the distance between the two ships in the hours preceding the collision with the iceberg but after SS Californian stopped engines. The plot thickens???
I heard a survivor in another video say that the Californian came close enough that it could be clearly seen without binoculers...and that they could actually sort of make out a figure walking on the deck....and it is said that it was after the very Rude comments recieved from Titanic that the operator on the Californian decided enough was enough, decided not to recharge the wireless, and went to bed instead....
TheFarmerfitz Lol I'm no expert on wireless communications but you aren't either. "Shut up" wasn't considered rude by wireless operators at all. It was a common term.
If the Californian were close enough to make out walking people without binoculars, then wouldn't the Californians crew have noticed the lights, distress flares, Morse lamps, the deafening screech of steam escaping the boilers and the screams of people? And even if they hadn't noticed any of that, if the Californian were that close then wouldn't it have been even slightly affected by the huge wave the Titanic probably made when it snapped in half? Wouldn't they have noticed it towering in the air? My point is, that if it were close enough to see clear enough to make out people without binoculars then wouldn't the whole crew notice the Titanic?
Actually, there is STRONG evidence that the lights that were seen both by the Californian and the Titanic were either a) optical illusions due to the conditions of that night or b) (and there is some paper evidence for this) a sealing vessel who was ILLEGALLY hunting seals in the area.
Aaron Neumann you're talking about the S.S Sampson (or S.S Samson, they are two different ships but I can't remember which one is the proper name) that may or may not have been illegally sealing in the area. But from the info I've gathered on the ship, if the Californian were in fact close enough to see people on it from the Titanic without binoculars, then there is no way in hell that that sealing boat could've blocked the lights from either ship. It simply wouldn't be tall or long enough unless the Californian were much farther away and the mystery ship lurked somewhere in between the two, like a kind of Solar Eclipse effect.
I believe the Californian TOLD the Titanic that they'd stopped for the night, and where. That's all the information the Titanic crew should have needed.
The Californian was fairly close, but not 10 miles. The ability of that ship and her crew to save the Titanic passengers is exaggerated. If you read a thorough analysis of the distance and speed at which she could have steamed toward Titanic (through ice thick enough to have caused her to stop for the night), you'll see that the best she could have done would be to arrive right around the time Titanic went down. This would have required that the Californian's captain acted immediately which is not realistic. The ship couldn't have risked getting too close to lifeboats would have had to be used to transfer people. That takes a lot of time. Carpathia took hours to bring survivors aboard and that was during daylight.
3 times the captain Lord was told by the bridge officers that they could see rockets three times he did nothing! All he had to do to be sure was order the wireless operator to wake up and see if anything was amiss. But he didn't.
IT WAS A MISTAKE--THAT IS THE MEXICAN VILLAGE AND THEY REMOVED THE MISTAKE IN NEW RELEASES.. uploaders story that cameron put it in there is fake--he dreamed that up
The Californian was 19 miles away from the sinking Titanic.Granted,Captain Lord should have immediately steamed to her position,but I don't think it would have made any difference whatsoever.He did have his radio operator send out a warning to the Titanic,but unfortunately,this was not acted upon.
He added the delete scene of the Californian warning the Titanic about the Icebergs, but no the one if he answer or not the distress calls, now I watched three times again, specifically the sinking scene, that is really, really, dodging the issue, if he really wanted he could have added the Californian, both part of the controversy, but no, he just ignore it, because he didnt want to get his hands dirty.
If your talking about Cameron, his movie would have been better if he cut down on the safe discovery in the begining and Rose and Jack,s love and lust story and been faithful to the story like A Night to Remember did!!!!!
@@scottmiller6495 A Night to Remember have a slight issues, no one in the engine room or the officers on deck panic when they see the Iceberg, the watchers give the alert in the most monotone tone possible, but the rest of the movie is good, hell, the BBC even did a reenactment of the trial of the crew of the California that can you see in RU-vid, based in the transcripts of the trial, and some added scene, funny, the first mate that was so loyal to the Captain version of the events ended dirty poor, his loyalty didnt really pay off, in comparison to the lower rank officer that actually was honest in the end.
When Olympic offered to take on the survivors, she was heatedly turned down by Rostron, who was concerned that it would cause panic amongst the survivors of the disaster to see a virtual mirror-image of the Titanic appear and ask them to board. so good...
While its plausible the blinking light may of been the Californian, I'd have to see the actual source where James Cameron himself acknowledges that. And if it *was* intended to be the Californian. My question would be why there wasn't a scene (included or deleted) showing captain smith and another crew member noticing it and having some dialog about what ship it was.
Another thing, and this is about the A Night To Remember movie...it shows Captain Smith looking at the Californian through binoculars. I was under the impression that there weren't any available, specifically for the lookouts to use.
Matt Canon According to 2nd Officer Lightloller there were five pairs on board: “A pair for each Senior Officer and the Commander, and one pair for the Bridge, commonly termed pilot glasses.”
It`s pretty absurd but for the binoculars on board was responsible David Blair who should have been the second officer, but at the very last moment was left out of the crew. And actually nobody knows if there were some binoculars on board or not and if there were - where. That is mentioned in the autobiography of Lightoller.
You have to remember in James Camerons Titanic film the movie was based more around a womans memories and the man that she loved. She wouldn't have any knowledge of the Californian being on the horizon. Now there is a Titanic Miniseries film with Katherine Zeta Jones in it and you see more about the Californian. That particular film shows a lot more compared to Camerons Titanic.
S.S Californian took 4 hours to reach R.M.S Titanic after the crew learned of what transpired. Much of this was in daylight. She was a small, slow vessel. I highly doubt they would have made it in time had they responded.
Well in Camerons movie theres deleted scene in wireless room where they tell Californian to shut up i think they were sending messages about icebergs if its true its very ironically beacuse then they shut off the wireless room so when titanic quickly after that hit the iceberg they couldnt contact the closest ship atleats Carpathia was going as fast as she could heroic as fuck Also sorry for my english im from Poland :p
If the Californian's mast light is that hard to see - to the point if needing to zoom in to even see a hint of it - then it is safe to say that the Californian wasn't actually included in Titanic (1997). Personally, I think that mast light is just a star.
same, I can't see anything. I think he's digitally enhancing it when he zooms in because I've watched this scene countless times and it's simply not visible.
If I were a captain of luxurious liner and this was my last voyage, I'd heed all iceberg warnings and slow speeds, if I were pressured to proceed in haste (if that is what happened), I'd give a middle finger to that handlebar mustache guy and continue to proceed cautiously. This wasn't on the Californian, they did what they were supposed to do. Gave Iceberg warnings and even to Titanic end, they tried to warn her again. California being a small vessel could not save anymore than her capacity could allow. Titanic was a victim of captain looking forward to his retirement, and series of blunders, being ill equipped with lifeboats, being built with cheaper raw materials (later to be found out that some of the rivet heads were rot iron.). Then a rash decision by 2nd in command to try to avoid the iceberg, when it was common knowledge that growlers underneath poised a greater threat. If they head on collided with Iceberg, Titanic would not have sunk. Brings me back to another point of Titanic construction. The bulkheads were intentionally lower to add more room to accentuate the extravagance of the luxurious liner. There are many more reasons, including a senior officer being dismissed before the maiden voyage and him accidently taking the keys for the binoculars in a locker for the crows nest, they sailed with only one binocular. The biggest mistake was sailing at maximum speed through an iceberg field, and in a season that icebergs were floating in larger areas than previously recorded.
I believe had the Californian arrived they would have saved some of the passengers. It would have arrived little over an hour at top speed. With the ship sinking almost three hours after hitting the iceberg, it would have had about an hour and a half at most to get people off. Unfortunantly the death toll would still have been high. I want to say still over a thousand but don't want to speculate that.
people say that the split wasn't in a night to remember but don't forget the wreckage wasn't discovered *by accident* until the late 1970's-early 1980's then James Cameron's movie came out in 1997
The pan out scene completely omitted the Californian and made Titanic look alone. Which anyone with historical knowledge knows thats bs. The problem with the 1997 movie is too much focus on the fictional story of the movie, so accuracy suffered. Impressive set however.
If the Californian made for Titanic at full speed when it received the first distress call I doubt that the sinking of the Titanic would be remembered as the disaster we know today.
The Californian would have only been able to save a maximum of 100 people. There's simply not enough time to respond, and when they do arrive they wouldn't be able to pull up beside it to transfer passengers ship to ship. It would likely have been at the stage where they have to keep their distance in order to not be destroyed or damaged by the Titanic's wreck. It wasn't large enough for everyone still on board and in the water. The best it could've done is collected lifeboats so they could be sent out to rescue more people. The Californian could have confirmed the break of the ship, so that point wouldn't be debated for just as long, but it really couldn't have saved that many lives. But a life is a life, and even one extra life saved is a miracle.
the only thing "a night to remember" got wrong was the snapping, but, the movie was released befor 1985, when they found the wreck, so they most sertainly didnt know, and im ok with that. sorry felt like telling someone...
The thing is though, one of the survivors said that it was not a light on the horizon and that it was actually a ship and she could fully see it, so I had to be a lot closer than what they say
note this film was filmed in Rosarito the city lights in background where later removed in most of the copies im guessing your one of the people to get the rare copies of the film
