Also: "You are reading, interpreting and understanding it[my fantasy book, that isn't actually "mine"] wrong." (Which implies he does) That is called arrogance. The "purest" and holiest form of it ... hehehehe
I'm a critical thinker as well, Steve. When I finished reading the ENTIRE Bible and not just the cherry-picked, feel-good stuff that churches point us to, I was crushed. That is when the blinders were removed from my heart and mind about the deity I was taught to worship. There is NO WAY an all-knowing and loving divine being inspired the hateful, misogynistic, bigoted, violent, contradictory, and confusing mess that is the Bible. The actions of the deity in the bible are that of an arrogant man-child with no emotional regulation or maturation whatsoever. The atrocities it commits against children alone was enough to deconvert me. 😢
Maybe it's a good thing that most churches do not promote reading and accepting most of the unconscionable stuff in the bible. At the same time reading all of it in an unbiased manor inevitably creates more atheists.
"I debunked every claim every atheist has ever made and every time they immediately convert and raise me on their shoulders and cheering me as they hold a parade in my honor!' "Awesome, which claims did you debunk?" "All of them" "Yeah but specifically which ones" "I proved god." "How?" "Because what i said was so true." "But what did you say" "That i was right" Theist disillusion of ego.
You honestly know that's a strawman. Thus is why youtube is so negetive. People constantly saying things about people in a very Stawman manner. You should actually be ashamed.
It’s always interesting when a Christian argues they have special access to the truth of Christianity. It’s like watching a new sect being formed by arbitrarily favouring their own understanding.
Maybe you should deeply go into yourself and reflect? I don't know if its that healthy if you get your entertainment out of those absurd interpretations and right out madness of strangers (meaning: their misery). (Well, I am guilty of that, too ... and also this is meant nothing else but satirical, hehehe)
This was over 20 minutes of relentless preaching that should have been cut off much earlier. Allowing him to go on like that was a disservice to everyone listening; my ears were practically on the verge of bleeding. A more effective approach would have been to intervene sooner, ensuring a more balanced and engaging discussion for all involved.
This is because to bring the catholics practice of self-castigation into your experience. After this call, I just wanna clean the house, make the dishes, wash clothes and so on. And I really hate doing housework. Hehehehehe
Shaw's expressed views were often contentious; he promoted eugenics. Shaw was a socialist and a member of the Fabian Society. The Fabian Society promoted political and ideological subversion rather than open revolution. That's why the symbol of their organization is a wolf in sheep's clothing. 😂 You people just keep proving me right about why you're all here bad mouthing every other view and experience but your cults own
Yep. It’s because there isn’t a single theist that can defend their beliefs without looking stupid. What’s sad is that they are aware of that shortcoming and that’s where the dodging comes in.
I love how Steve spent the entire call insisting on having done his due diligence, and pondered _really hard_ about his beliefs, and wanted us all to know that his rigorous analysis of the faith has led him to the undeniable conclusion that it's true. Twenty minutes in and he still hasn't proven anything, and something tells me he isn't going to.
He finds no contradictions because when he reads something that doesn’t make sense he decides it actually says something else to make it consistent in his own head.
“Better to trust in the lord to have confidence in men” Literally taken from a book written by men. This is three minutes after saying he’s a “critical thinker”
I love how he pulled that out of his ass. That phrase is NOWHERE in the bible. I don't know if he was trying to claim that it specifically was, but to just claim that we're not supposed to blindly believe, that's so the opposite of what is in there.
And another thing, if we are not supposed to believe man, WHY did God leave it up to man to write the Bible? Why didn't he just do it himself with his all-powerful hand? That is illogical.
People such as this caller choose to avoid these obvious issues, or begin the tap dancing act when asked about it. He's so indoctrinated that instead of being rational, he's making up his own version of Christianity as he goes along.
I’m endlessly fascinated by people who read an ambiguous, highly interpretable, often contradictory text and feel that they have the One, True subjective interpretation that is obviously correct and ignore the thousands, if not millions, of other subjective interpretations that exist that oftentimes contradict their favorite pet subjective interpretation.
Yes! Thank you. I’ve pointed this out so many times. There is something so fascinating (and very disturbing) about people who seem to truly believe that they have superpowers… people who think that they know the mind, motives, and moral values of a magical, all-knowing, all-powerful deity… or people who think that they alone are capable of accurately interpreting an “ancient code book” that contains the will, wishes, and word of an omnipotent, omniscient, eternal and infinite being.
Preaching the bible, as if it's evidence for God... No, it's a claim in the same way the Harry Potter books are evidence for Hogwarts existing.... Libraries need to put religious texts in the fiction section.
"I'm a critical thinker." 😮 😅 😅 "Unlike aaallll the other 'Christians', _I_ have figured out the True Meaning of the Bible. By reading it. And rereading it. And digging into it. And thinking and thinking more about it. And critically thinking about it. And reading it some more. And spending time telling others how WRONG they are about it. And writing a book about my Journey. My Journey of reading and thinking. Can't you you tell just how gosh darn RIGHT I am? Cuz i sure can."
I love how Christians make an arbitrary decision to believe some of the most extraordinary claims in the history of mankind purely by faith - and then, pretend that they have special knowledge from God that only people who believe what they believe can ever possess. They seem to think that their choice to believe the Bible allows them to know that the Bible is true.
Yes! Exactly! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary EVIDENCE, not extraordinary faith. No amount of faith will ever make an extraordinary claim true, no matter how much the faithful purport to have special access to secret knowledge about that claim.
I'm gonna stand up and say "Objection 18:36 your honor. Relevance?" "Assumes facts not in evidence." And maybe "Prosecution requests a directed verdict".
I mean, Russel is literally just wrong. America has a Christian heritage, it's just not a Christian nation in a legal or formal sense. Some Christians (usually racists) like to argue that the country is supposed to be Christian. They're obviously wrong. However, it's impossible to deny that Christians have heavily influenced the structure of our nation's politics. That remains true to this day. So what Russel should have said is, "It depends on what you mean by heritage". It makes no sense to deny it outright.
@@Big-Papa-Smurf Christianity played zero part in making it a superpower. That's why Russel objected. It is just a superpower that happens to be a Christian nation but not because it is a Christian nation. If Christianity made a nation to be super power, then all Christian nations would've been in good shape.
Another theist who is incapable of having a conversation. He said on multiple occasions “I’ll answer that but I have to say this first” then preach and not answer the question. Loves the sound of his own voice.
@anubion42 I think a lot of theists wouldn’t find it convincing, but are so sure that their feelings of God are real that it doesn’t matter. I think people overestimate how accurate their feelings are at leading to the truth. On top of that, if you’ve built your entire life around something, and all of your community and family are so ingrained, it’s so hard to reconcile with the fact that it could all be false. It would be world-shattering for them. It’s pretty sad to be honest.
Callers claims he’s a critical thinker while the first thing he says is literally a magical fairytale ffs 😂 Massive red flag: If you’re an ACTUAL critical thinker, you don’t have to incessantly brag about being an astute critical thinker ffs.
A piece of advice to all theists out there. Nothing bores the shit out of an atheist more than sermons, testimony, personal experience and witness! Don’t do do it … we don’t care!
You'd figure that an all powerful being that invented all of the languages would be able to create scriptures that could be understood no matter what language they are translated into.
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Those people do have all kinds of miracles they claim. The illiterate being able to read the bible first glance would be a miracle.
What does Steve mean by, “IF the Bible contradicts itself?” Like, how does a self-described critical thinker not realize that the Bible is full of contradictions?
@@queuecee I feel like if animals could talk during biblical times, all the animals that Noah left behind would’ve screamed, “Build a bigger fckn boat, a$$hole!” 😂
I'm so glad that they don't let these people prattle on and on and on like this anymore. Don't ever have these conversations with someone who isn't listening and responding to what you say. It's a complete waste of your time, and the tactic is to wear you down. Don't let people disrespect you like that.
OMG, he keeps quoting the Bible as if that's fact. Yet he said it's written by man and he's a critical thinker. ALL of that is nonsense and boggles the mind to hear it. This guy is indoctrinated and is about as critical a thinker as my orchids.
When theists claim that they are a critical thinker, they mean when they say how evolution can't be true because a rock did not come from a bang and man did not come from a mud puddle. That's their idea of critical thinking.
@@queuecee Good observation. So, in other words, what they’re really saying is not that they’re critical of their own religion, but that they’re critical of anything that refutes or undermines their religious beliefs.
Rambling, rambling at every opportunity about matters of interpretation of scripture, instead of bringing forth the external evidence they keep asking for.
If this guy was really investigating the bible honestly he'd be an atheist by now. Early Church fathers knew already that trying to use reason to prove the bibles veracity was a waste of time, evidenced by this extract: Ignatius Loyola summed up the traditional Christian view when he said, ‘We sacrifice the intellect to God’ and Martin Luther was even more direct in expressing the view that ‘Reason is the Devil’s harlot’.
10:29 "a hunnert and six, or whatever, a hunnert and thirty-six different denominations" where in the ever-loving fuck are you getting that number? There are over 30,000 in the US ALONE
According to The Centre for the Study of Global Christianity, based in New College, the School of Divinity at the University of Edinburgh, Estimations show there are a staggering 45,000 Christian denominations globally.
Christ said nothing (we have no audio recordings nor live witnesses from that time; no signed writing from any author named Christ). At best, versions of the book in question, when translated into various versions indicate that others said that Christ said something 20 years before it was first written down in another language than would have been spoken by Christ, and the 3 other narratives reporting what others said that Christ said (which followed over the next 80 years - also not written in the language Christ would have spoken) all conflict with each of the others. The bias going on in your brain is called "wishful thinking". To test for 'wishful thinking', compare how you consider this writing to others that purportedly may be from Buddha or Mohammad, etc.
Critical thinking. = Criticizing that which you believe. Where did you learn it? When did you learn it? Is there any tangible evidence that supports what you believe? And a whole bunch of other thought processes that will take place after you answer the preceding questions.
It seems like Steve only “thinks critically” about stuff he doesn’t want to believe. And he only “asks questions” about facts that refute Biblical scripture or undermine his religion. In other words, Steve isn’t a unique, critical thinker. He’s a typical Christian.
Steve "I'm a critical thinker" Steve certainly is a critical thinker but not like us. Where we like to analyze claims & facts, steve likes to criticize anyone who doesn't believe in his fringed warped beliefs & his special book the bible.
Yep. There's known text about Jack climbing a beanstalk. It must be true because we know there was someone in the past named Jack and we know that beanstalks exist.
I'm so glad we heard the end of the story and learned that the wife was the ACTUAL creator of Christian Myth Busters. That was extremely useful for the rest of the story.
When a theist claims to be a critical thinker they mean they think everything the bible says is fact and everything that contradicts it is wrong, even the contradictions in the book are being interpreted wrong, I've heard that so many times.
"A lot of people don't want to believe the bible is true." As a former Christian I wanted to and still want to believe WHAT is true. Whether that be the bible or anything else. This caused quite a bit of conflict during my time as a Christian. I was interested in finding out what the truth was and I was surrounded by believers that only wanted to believe that the bible was true.
Steve, honey. Your religion isn’t special. Nearly ALL religions claim to be the word of the “one true god.” Nearly ALL religions claim that all the other religions are false. Entire wars have been fought between people who believe that their religious beliefs are right and their adversary’s beliefs are wrong. Countless people have been killed throughout history, because some religious group was convinced that those people were demonic, or wrong about God, or “worshipping the wrong way.” Steve cannot POSSIBLY know that his religion is correct. And the very idea that he thinks he’s a “critical thinker” is laughable.
During the whole call he had a story to preach, just like the others he criticised. Right at the end they nailed him on Genesis, shame thet didn't do it at the start over the flood, exodus myth etc.
These type of Christians really seem bizzare to me because I will never understand why, just because a delusion is ( in some places) common, its still not considered a mental illness because just because its gets the label "religon"
Did he ever answer "heres how I originally assessed whether the damn thing has any truth at all"? I caught that its America's book. And America is the super awesomest. So ipso facto, pudding tested..." But other than that?
Steve loves himself , does lots of talking and says very little ......yawn , you guys are too polite, I recommend reads the BROS GRIMM or Hans Christian Andersen , they wrote fantasy fiction too.
"I take these passages as true, as they are written." And, "we'll never know what was actually intended unless we've read them in their original languages, the Greek and Hebrew." So, what validates your prejudice is true, and what is unintelligible needs to be considered in the language of those that were "divinely inspired." 😂😂😂 GTFOH 😂😂😂
If you are a "critical thinker" and you just walk up to me and say "I believe in a god that can snap their fingers and create universes" and when I ask "and where did HE come from" and you of course answer with "he always existed", I am going to point out you are not a critical thinker.
This was entirely pointless. These guys really need to do a better job of controlling the calls. All they've done is what this idiot plug his Christian Mythbusters show or whatever it is and get on a soapbox and preach for 25 minutes.
