Caller Wants To Debate Israel's Genocide 

They clearly should of choose to be born a child of light and not darkness. This isn't even a joke if you understand the reference.

That's exactly how they justified it in the Old Testament of their holy Bible. The Creator of the universe hates canaanite/Palestinian babies and wants them killed. Meanwhile American fetuses are sacred at the moment of conception and not to be touched, even if the mother's life is in danger or if she was graped.

Ben Shapiro has a lot of competition for Pope of the Jews

@@Newton-Reuther wut

The only thing I can imagine is they haven’t experienced the wonders of a child up close, or just hates kids. Either way the dude should never have one.

The reality is worse

either way its inhumane and evil

Exactly. I almost hate the term climate change because it's bad enough we can't breathe the air.

@douglasmennella4525 I agree that the reality is bad enough but, I think there's a huge benefit to accurately labelling it as such. If we're contented with saying that what's going on in Gaza is "awful" or any other synonym then, I think it's unlikely to garner enough public support and pressure to end this by any means. Lots of awful things are happening in the world but, I think that the majority of people (particularly those who aren't too politically engaged, or rarely take in what's going on in the world) would !metaphorically shrug their shoulders and assume there's nothing to be done about it, seeing as there obviously isn't the political will to intervene in every awful event globally. Using the "G" word signals that this is no ordinary event, grabs the attention, and hopefully begs the question: what can or should be done about it...? The answer being that, we are signatories to the G convention, which mandates us to take action. Not just while it's happening or worse still, after. But also beforehand, if we suspect it's about to happen. Just because the caller moved the goalposts each and every time a valid point was made, or just outright ignored the point altogether, doesn't mean we should bend to that kind of evasion. Just point out how many of the criteria your interlocutor has completely swerved, and end the conversation there. Folks will soon see who's being honest and who isn't...

@@comanchio1976 If you’re debating the term you’re probably being baited. I’m not saying don’t use it. Just don’t get hung up on it.

Absolutely. That one sentence gives me like 10 different emotions.

Yes, she nailed it. The perfect description of just about all Western media on Gaza.

That quote really stood out to me too

real

r/worldnews in a nutshell (also Destiny in a nutshell)

this caller nerd is a destiny-stan i guarantee, he's hidden behind this lazy argument dozens of times now.

Emma's never dropped the mic so hard. 🎤

​@@TokenBlackman7 For sure. That line is instantly iconic.

Followed up by dropping this “You’re a weird freak” somewhere in that. “You’re a weird freak looking for justification for you to be able to sleep at night, and I’m not gonna give you that.”

@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 Destiny, the person with a woman’s name who purged everyone left-leaning of JonTron and Tim Pool combined from his own community? The same Destiny who called for unprovoked violence following the George Floyd protests?

This idiot wasted your time, sorry Sam.

Also, they pledged to deny food and water. Naziyahu alluded to Amalek. The idea that you can escape the fact that the genocide is very much intentional is just bonkers. "Oh, that was just an irrelevant government official, they don't determine policy" But they're doing the exact genocidal policy that the genocidal person said, so....

Borderline genocide is like being borderline pregnant.

@@1020kerry i'm borderline in love with your comment.

​@@1020kerryI think you mean "almost" pregnant.

Mr. Bonocelli 😂

🤣😭

@@hamzasohail6304 “with all due respect, you’re such a fantastic moron it’s embarrassing”

Bonerelli Divorcelli

Yep, the Dolis Specialis bullshit comes directly from dumbass Destiny's debate.

And they have by invoking such rhetoric "You must remember what Amalek has done to you, say our Holy Bible, and we do remember." - Bibi Netanyahu "I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything closed. We are fighting human *animals* and we are acting accordingly." - IDF defense minister Yoav Gallant

Insane....

It's easy to feel that way when you have dual citizenship and can afford to flee to your families second/first home in New Jersey thousands of miles away from your "homeland" that you weren't born in. Meanwhile millions of Palestinians have no home to return to.

I mean... they pretty much have declared it. It's just the gaslighting alongside it that obfuscates it.

What’s crazy is that they did. Repeatedly. Read the South African submission to the ICJ. They outlined those statements really well.

or he's trolling

Doesn't really matter. You don't have to give genocide deniers the benefit of the doubt. If they ARE trying to debate in good faith, they'd be willing to do research and be affected by reasoning. That dude just wants to deny genocide.

@@mito88 Both can be true and too often are as bigots routinely slip disingenuous tripe in to insure themselves they didn't completely expose their allegiance to inhuman structures, but this 10:39 is too close to kool aid.

@@anarchsnark "debate in good faith" according to MR = endless gish galloping/goal post moving/hyperbole/Interruption/subject change/Strawmenning/abruptly ending the conversation

​@@anarchsnarkdo you think no one can look at the facts and come to a different conclusion?

far worst they called them animals, following the footsteps of Nazis when they called Jews rats

Mr. Borreli!

reality can be painful to hear

​@@mokiedDestiny fans just move their goalposts when reality hits. Like how destiny was confident israel would never bomb a hospital and then israel bombed every hospital in gaza. when you are on The side of the state department being egregiously wrong everytime doesn't seem to matter much. didn't destiny fans excuse the pager attack becuase it was better than capet bombing? then israel proceeded to carpet bomb b4 a ground invasion.

​@@tacoman3725 A "building" loses its protection status if it's used to facilitate military engagements. If Destiny suggested otherwise, then he was very wrong. Also, carpet bombing hasn't really been in use since WW2. It is considered outdated for good & obvious reasons. Yours truly.

​​​@@AndersLiljebladThe United States carpet bombed Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia back to the Stone Age for literal years on end. Operation Rolling Thunder ring a bell? What the fuck are you talking about? And Israel can't be a non-signatory to the Rome Statutes and then use them as apologia for their own heinous tactics. Don't want to join the club? Don't get the protections it affords.

It’s because he’s a Zionist. They have no empathy for my people. They have been slaughtering us since the 40s lol. They are taught to hate us from when they are born and then they use the fact that Hamas schools teach the same thing as if it’s antisemetic when in reality we are both Semites. The word Semite was created to describe Palestinian Jews and Arabs. That’s fact.

Theres 0 comparison to what happened on Oct 7th

​@@Dankdalordeyou're right, that one day cannot begin to equal decades of colonization.

​@Dankdalorde agreed buddy. It's approximately 100 times worse just by the numbers. But frankly the systematic approach and assymetry of power makes it so much worse than even the extreme barbarity the numbers reveal

What makes you believe what you say is true about colonialism

Well if you describe your self as a American Arab you are no American and should not be allowed to vote

As a progressive do you ever think about how disgusting Muhammad was?

What is a muslim american progressive?

⁠@@edinnzen5216 A Muslim American progressive.

I think This was the argument for Bosnian genocide

Well said.

True - very good point

This is exactly the argument I've made countless times against the claim that they're not targeting civilians - If after early analysis indicated that over 90% of casualties were civilian you failed to change your methods, you can no longer claim to not be targeting civilians.

​@@ahmedalshabrawy202 it wasn't the case.The ICJ and ICTY reduced it to "Srebrenica genocide", where Serbs captured group of 25000 Bosniaks and killed 8000+ in 2 days

He's a coward who fled to his second home hin New Jersey with his wealthy family while millions of Palestinians don't have even one home to live in without the fear of imminent demise... 😡

Bros literally a destiny stan. Fuck him, fuck destiny, free Palestine.

That’s what I said at first but Sam cooked

Sam and Emma were spot on. Lots of evidence. To the New Jersey guy, if you still can't figure it out, then this incredible AJ do/c/ exposes how I/ sold/iers have obsessively uploaded evidence that fully supports the two hosts' case. Use this (v/=/kPE6vbKix6A/) but take out the forward slashes.

Palestine sucks so bad that people don’t want it even when it’s free

Can't remember all 5 criteria but I am pretty sure Germany would meet them, especially post Wannasee Conference

@@JackAShepherd Talking about the guy's standard of hyper-specific, explicitly stated intent. Mr. Hilter just talked about "protecting Germany", so clearly there was no intent to do a G-cide, unless you have a signed and notarized document where he says, "Yes, hello. My name is Mr. Hilter, and I would like to do a g-cide, please." It's idiotic, and he's just splitting hairs so he doesn't have to talk about how wrong it is.

​@@JackAShepherddid Germany send kids to be integrated into their society or did they eliminate them?

@@itsjustme664 They had a program where the German occupation forces, mostly in Poland and other parts of eastern Europe where they separated Blond, blue eyed or similar 'Aryan' looking children from their parents and sent them to childless German couples and/or orphanages. Look up the SS operated Lebensborn program. The program's existence is the cause of the way the genocide convention is written to include this.

@@user-uy6uc5ey5q thanks. I thought they did but wasn't sure. Kinda ironic Hitler didn't quite fit the Aryan ideals.

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No, its not. If one side surrendering would stop the killing, it's not genocide. Also Israel isn't trying to kill every person they can. There are civilian casualties but they could've killed way way more. The Holocaust is an attempted genocide. When settlers wipes out entire tribes of natives, that was genocide

It’s not

@@Dankdalorde explain how it’s categorically different from other genocides please. Monstrous take

@@stefasaurus2476 good luck getting a response lol

True. Contrast this with commentators like Pakman, Jessica Tarlov, and Ben from TYT, who deviously use the progressive tag to support a racist genocide. Na Zees are hardly progressive…

I love Emma's response. She just pulls out the cold hard facts and lays them down, proving this isn't just some jumping to conclusions based on personal feelings or bias, but rather that they have real tangible factual reasons for using this terminology.

Enjoy your echo chamber! You know that "progressive" isn't an automatic substitute for correct, right??

@@caseypdx503 "Echo chamber" Spare me. Sam constantly talks to and debates people of opposing opinions, a lot of whom are actually afraid of debating him mind you. ""Progressive" isn't an automatic substitute for correct, right?" Well to a progressive minded person like myself, more often than not, progressive takes tend to be the "correct" takes, just like how to a low IQ conservative, right wing takes often sound "correct" You think you're making a witty point, but you're saying nothing here.

@@AkerfeldtTveitan-yi4xm lmao, you're a clown...correct is correct... what you're saying there is no different from a conservative who automatically says right-wing arguments are correct... I mean you literally just say it- If it's progressive, it's correct and that is just bs, blindly partisan, tribal thinking no matter from which side it comes from...

It was clear to me at the beginning he was an IDF member.

Or Destiny himself doing his best Elmer Fudd interpretation. The key thing was his complete silence at the mention of the Khmer Rouge, which Destiny clearly has never heard of.

Sounds too old to be a Destiny fan, def outta high school

Don't mean to be ableist cuz I literally wouldn't be too surprised if he's also picked up that lisp alongside the argumentation style and sensibilities.

Can you explain to me this Destiny thing? I'm coming into this situation with completely new eyes and want to understand this caller's idiocy

​​@@ajorngjdonaydbr destiny is the name of a center left online debate bro who cut his teeth debating right wingers. Somewhere down the line he figured out that debating against lefties was more profitable so he too a hard turn against them. Early in the Israeli palistine conflict he decided to be a contrarian against the left in favor of Isreal. He knew nothing of the conflict but held to his position despite reality and has been working backwards ever since. He can be confidently called a debate mercinary and will debate any position that gives him the most engagement. He uses pedentry to obscure reality. Does things like uses legal and definition of words like a cudgle devoid of context or intent. Language doesn't work like that. In this case his likely fanboy here is usi g similar pedentry to strip the utility of the word genocide as a way to conure the reality on the ground. He does this by getting into the weeds of the legal definition of genocide to obscure the larger point and the colloquial utility of the word. See Destiny VS norm finklestein to see him up against actual experts who dressed him down for just this reason.

I think you’ll find it’s pronounced moretti.

I think you'll find it's Divorcelli

Bonerchelli

​@@plixypl0xI'm sorry to ask but can you explain the joke?

@@owl.feathers sure: in a debate a few months ago Norm Finkelstein called Destiny (real Name Kenneth Bonell) by his last name name but messed it up dozens of times: burelli, birell, morello, morello… &c.

@@SeattleScotty he definitely has an accent. Listen to how he says "Sam." Why deny what he claims is his lived existence when you could be focused on denying his moronic worldview?

​@@kjv35 no thats a speach impediment. His Rs are Ws thats a speach impediment 😂

@@veginito9927 that's called non-rhoticism. You should listen to how he pronounces vowels, or read my earlier comment, before making armchair diagnoses.

@@kjv35 You're literally making a diagnosis in this comment. 🫠

@@kjv35 nothing wrong with a speech impediment i had a teacher that did the same R's for W's. My friend was named Ricky and i always enjoyed him saying Wicky.

For Israel. They only care about the legal definition for that reason.

RIGHT!? Like oh all is well now. Not Genocide. Dude was arguing withholding aid supplies is just average urban warfare without any intent. F that guy. I hope he joins the IDF to fight for what he believes and they send his butt right to Southern Lebanon. Civilized society has no place for lunatics like this.

Yeah he kind of dropped the pretense there.

The point is that after ww2 the bar for humanity was lifted. What went before was no longer to be accepted.

Her eye roll when she heard the question described my feelings towards these silly questions

She is really not.

​@@iguacu3517 I don't think she's Carl fucking Sagan but she's got a better head on her shoulders than 90% of media today

Imma is ignorant as is Sam. If you want to educate yourself then listen to smart people like Megan McCain.

@@iguacu3517 Debate her. I dare you. Give them a call.

New Jersey, sounds about right

Jooyork

Your profile pic perfectly matches your comment.

@@musmaki4109 Tiny hat underground tunnel builders.......

@@Xinjiekou_新街口_Station Why was there a shit stained mattress in their secret tunnel?

It's because of the number of people who are ok with it that these things happen.

Wow

Very true

What about, I'm not sure either way. Let's wait for the court to decide.

​@@garrethoien6666Sounds like you're actively avoiding information that's currently available.

Or maybe you are ill-informed. This goes both ways

​@@omarm316Not really

typical zio, always talks over people

Semantics, lmao. You kind of started it by using a loaded term, and are now defensive when being called out on it.

@@AndersLiljeblad LMFAOOOOOO Can I have what you're smoking?

Just another boutique issue for him.

They attempt to mask islamaphobia with whatever intellect and talking points they can insulate themselves with. I've found this a popular tactic among the worst libs to separate themselves from the bald hatefulness of conservatives. "I can't be racist scum if I'm intellectual."

"it's just war in an urban area" good lord what a dumbass

And they're adding to the corpse count at the rate that the Ottoman's added the corpses each day during the Armenian Genocide.

By the accent, I would say the guy is isreali. So that pretty much explains his mentality.

are you UK based?

@@bravoalley228 No but I occasionally watch LBC. I respect James’ cordial but no-nonsense manner.

@@NetanyahuWarCriminal okay.. I can tolerate him up to a certain point.. I feel that he's weak on being pro Palestinian. He has not said anything about an ex LBC presenter who was dismissed called Sangita Myska who was asking the 'right questions' towards zionists. He generally supports the current Labour party which is severely flawed with a zionist without qualification as the leader of the Red Tories/Labour: Sir Kid Starver.. sorry Kid Slaughterer.. Sorry, Kier Starmer. I don't think OBrien has said anything about Starmer's unrelenting support for the Zionist state.. He has not really stretched any compassion or sympathy for the Palestinians, Lebanese.. But he, Kier, immediately expressed solidarity with the Israelis once they had missiles struck at them but still giving wrong information 🤦. So I can appreciate OBrien somewhat but he's severely lacking integrity or moral consistency..

gusano gusano gusano gusano

It's this thing I have noticed a lot of people do thats like the creationist orangutan in Futurama. They expect to view all things simultaneously but instead keep seeing different stuff and saying "this isn't enough evidence/ this is one bad apple".

@@douglasmennella4525 exactly. This is a major point that may be emphasized. I'm so so so glad you caught it. With his back against the wall, this dude just reverts to pro-Israel talking points and starts rattling them off as if he's an auctioneer. That's a sign of someone who has absorbed propaganda, not someone who has thought critically about the situation. Thank you for calling attention to this specific moment, as it proves the point that this caller is a brainwashed pro-genocide freak.

He said the magic phrase that lets you know to not take anything he says seriously.

@@maxsmart9116 which phrase? Human shields?

@@kjv35 The mask came off and he did his best destiny impression.

They let him say a total of about 6 words in the second half, tf you talking about

There will be PhDs done on the powers that be and media on this once this is all over. Such pseudo intellectual BS.

I think that was TYT's own Ben Gleib on the call. 😂

Unfortunately that’s the case with a majority of Americans.

Noam Chomsky would be proud, heroic levels of genocide denial

It has "Austrian painter guy did nothing wrong!" energy. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

only with americans and israeIi "people". And only so far as you try to hold them responsible for their crimes. Otherwise they're also against it, unless it makes money. So yes they're always for it.

It's very debatable. When enemy combatants embed themselves in civilian area's. Withholding aid is not that when the population has grown during this period.

@@JonathanRootD Population has grown because most of them are REFUGEES from other displaced areas. Did you even watch the whole video? They answered your silly "human shield" argument too.

@@Sebastian-ld4qg Love the weird blame shifting you just did. Zios do not represent all J's. J's are NOT to blame for this. Zios definetly are.

Yes, this is how we should run our discussions. Imagine this in court: "Your honor, I did not murder this man because XYZ (details irrelevant; who cares about arguments and standards of evidence?) "Sorry defendant, murder can't be debated."

Forget the mossad. The IDF has been caught literally using Palestinian civilians as human shields on the ground in Gaza

The accusation of genocide is not helping Palestinians.

hasan viewer spotted in the wild (positive)

Oh, no, they are extremely human. That’s the problem.

You know he's watching Destiny on a daily basis.

His accent is Israeli he’s personally involved

it’s a speech impediment bro that’s the least criticizable part of this guy’s whole deal

@@tonoornottono I think they meant the jennaside denial aspect of his talk

@@samnabawy2731is that truly how you think that is spelt bud??

@@Mogorman87 lol you should not talk about my obviously purposely misdirected spelling to avoid censorship when you can't even phrase a question correctly, buddy.

​@@Mogorman87 yeah bud thats "his" its spelt.

Yep, an absolute loser.

These people have their own biases so you are asking a pointless question. Either he's a christian z*o or a j**zrealli regardless he fortified his mind into a cage so no new info or critical thinking can take place or change his thinking. He's a lost cause imo. There is no "debate" to be had here these peopel are monsters and so is he for even trying to argue otherwise. Don't even talk to them. Someone who denies reality is insane or is in bath faith. They simply wish to muddy the waters and or waste them to accomplish their goals.

Fellow left-winger here. The challenge is largely about cutting through the mass hysteria surrounding the topic. That's really all it is. No one has shut off all the water or electricity to Joursey. Did you not notice the leap there? As for aid and assistance, that's also incorrect -- aid is still flowing in. And, if you're using those buildings for military purposes, they lose their protected status under international law. None of this is very conducive into finding out what is what, unfortunately. It really is a form of cherry picking.

He’s Israeli don’t put this on jersey lol

Population has increased since October 7th. If it is, they're thankfully absolutely inept.

@@JonathanRootD That's a lie and you know it

​@@samnabawy2731and even if it weren't, that wouldn't change the fact that so many have died and lost their homes, nor the fact that Israeli leaders are openly genocidal, competent or not

@@Ellimist000 No but its definetly not true that their population increased since Oct 7

​@@JonathanRootDI can't believe Americans are dumb to this level

He obviously has a speech impediment, Rhotacism if I had to guess.

😂😂😂😂

@@tinamoul it's just an accent. I agree we shouldn't make fun of his accent, especially when his viewpoints give us enough to go on

@@tinamoulyeah pretty cringy for Sam to make fun of a dude with a speech impediment

@@kjv35that’s not an accent friend, unless there’s a people who can’t pronounce R’s country I have never heard of

You are been Antisemitic...

If the caller had said Noo Joy-zee, Sam would've gotten it. ;-)

What would represent proportionality in an attack against a colonial occupying force and its citizens on your ancestral land?

Is that not just how war works? Civilians are killed in every war, collateral damage IS accepted. What Israel are doing is evil but by that logic next to every war in history is guilty of genocide which just seems to dilute the term.

Is it good?

@@henrytheworstyes! Many Americans prob haven’t seen the footage

Excellent. Tried to post almost the same comment on top with the ut link but it gets repeatedly auto-del!! Looks like this excellent work is black listed here.

So difficult to watch!!!!!!

Its because all of them are from somewhere else, that what a settler colony is all about.

Because most of them would fail the DNA semitic test, especially compared to their "neighbors"

@@ayonibrahim9985 But which country sounds like Elmer Fudd😭

@@ayonibrahim9985 This is a pretty average Israeli English accent. The dropped r's is a big indicator. Bibi's accent sounds different both cuz he has a deep baritone voice and because he pronounces his r's, likely from being raised in America and trained to be a representative to the English speaking world. Also, most modern Israelis have been born in Israel.

Israel is a reverse diaspora country. People come from all over. Some do come to Israel for legitimate reasons. My ex-girlfriend's dad's family was expelled from Iraq upon the creation of Israel and were effectively left with nowhere to go except Israel. However, many show up for the opportunity to exploit the power dynamic and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in order to obtain land. This is particularly true among American Jews, from what I understand.