The civilization(6000 BC) started way(3500 years) before Harappa City(2600 BC). Harappan was named by Sir John Marshall in around 1920 in British India. Calling it Harappan Civilization based on Harappa city is like calling Mt Everest a snow ball.
@@histarchus Harappan is slightly different than Indus Valley Civilization. People who calls Vedic Saraswati Civilization calls it so because it was situated by the side of Saraswati River( now dried up). And Saraswati river is also mentioned in different Vedic literature. The people who insisted calling it Vedic Saraswati Civilization, also insist calling Indus by original name Sindhu River Civilization Civilization. Sindu was called Indu by British as they couldn't pronounce it in its original name.
@@NishJha Two doubts. 1. Is there clear evidence that Saraswati in the Vedas referred to what we know as Saraswati now, or might it have been some other river the Yamnaya people encountered on their centuries-long wanderings during 2000-1500 BCE before they reached India? 2. A small correction: "Sindhu" was the name given to this river by ancient Persians, which meant "a great sheet of water." Greeks (not the British) during Alexander's invasion found it difficult to pronounce the initial "s" so they called the river "Indus." While Sindhu Valley Civilization sounds good, we must remember that it is not Indian but Persian.
@@histarchus Sindhu is a proto- Indo Vedic name for River. Its sanskrit rather than persian. Though Ancient persian and Sanskrit has immense similarity like the word "Asti"- To be in Sanskrit and "Ast" in Persian- to be. wait a decade before jumping to right/left discourse on history.Scientific facts donot need ideology left/right. Persians could not pronounce it Sindhu they called it Hindu Greeks called it Indus Rig Veda mentions - Sapta Sindhu Avesta( Ancient Iranian text)- Saptha Hindu Go to Middle East they still call India --Al-Hind. Dont distort what you donot know. Sapta can be - Indus, Ravi , Beas, Sutlej, Chenab,Jhelum,Saraswati Rakhigarhi the biggest Harappan site is said to be on banks of dried up saraswati. Hence Sapta-Sindhu/ Sindhu-Saraswati Civilization.
@@anitapadhi325 I agree that Sindhu probably was a proto-Sanskrit (Yamnaya origin) term and also Persian. Because the Yamnaya first settled in Iran and Transoxania before entering India through difficult mountain passes. India thus may have been the last place of conquest for the Yamnaya, which occurred later than their settlements in Europe, Middle East and Iran. This is the modern scientific view. Please search for the term "Yamnaya" and look for new research papers. The term "ARyan" is used less in modern archaeology nowadays because of we Indians are very touchy about it. So to read scientific papers on Indo Aryans, search for "Yamnaya" !
Offcourse she seems to be ideologically motivated here especially when she says " why so much of hatred for word Harappa". I don't see anywhere that David Frowly ever shown any hatred towards word Harappa. I do recognise importance of Archeology as the branch of science in establishing certain facts and I have immense respect for the same. However as a student of Archeology, I also know it's limitations especially in case of perishable cultural materials which can not be found conclusively by the Archeologists for obvious reasons. Though scientific evidence acts the basis of all arguments, Archeology cannot find all such evidences on its own and hence it always have to be associated with the Literary Sources which is a domain of Scholars from that field. So despite being a student of Archeology and Ancient History, I do recognise that only we, the Archeologists cannot be given the final say even in case of such trivial things and opinions of other scholars from different branches of Science have equal right in doing so. I also fail to understand if both Rakhigarhi and Harappa belong to the same civilization, what's so much of hatred for one section of Archeologists and Liberals in giving credit to the Rakhigarhi Site or Saraswati river while naming it? Afterall Rakhigarhi is undoubtedly the largest and one of the earliest sites and that too on the Bank of Drishadwati ?
Unfortunately, Harappa is now in Pakistan. That is why all this row. But then, Pakistan is part of India civilizationally ! All this is part of election frenzy. Too silly to take seriously.
That time not Saraswati River...River Name sindhu River.Then This is Indian Tamil civilization..JOURNEY OF CIVILIZATION INDUS TO VAGAI BOOK IS MAIN PROOF ... Then i am also lot evidence available people speak to Mainly Tamil language only.. Why?..I have proof. 1.) TAMIL language total Number of inscription 67000 nos.. Then inscription age 700.B.C. 2.)SANSKRIT total inscription is 4500 only..Sanskrit INSCRIPTION is 100.B.C 3.)Sangam literature lot proof avaialable..Sangam Literature land wise People how survive lot poem available. Kurinji land - mountain land, Mullai land- Tree land, Marutham land -aggreculture land, Neythal land - sea land, Paalai land - Sesertland or Sand land or waste land,So land wise poem avaialable..Sangam Litrature lot poem avaialable in desert land poems..Sangam Literature writing 2500 year ago.. This is the mainly Proof .. India lot INSCRIPTION avaialable 1.) Tamizhi inscription 2.)Poly language inscription 3.)Ashoca inscription 4.)Devanagari inscription.. 5.)SANSKRIT inscription Then Tamil language world wide Lot of evidence is available. But Sanskrit evidence little bit only available.. Tamil Literature Sangam Literature Three Sangams wrote poems and developed the Tamil language. Names of those three Sangams. 1.)First Association 2.)Second Association 3.) Third Association. Sangha literature is reorganized and written between 600 BC and 1300 AD. 1.) Poems of the First Sangam relate to events before 6000 BC. 2.) Poems of the Second Sangam relate to events which took place before 2500 BC. Says it like a song. 3.) The hymns of the Third Sangam relate events from 800 BC to 1200 AD. The following are not mentioned in any literature in India. The following has been said in only one literature and that is Sangam literature only. Apartment buildings, Sewerage, Bricks, Forts, Education, Straight roads, Seals, What creatures were around the Indus Valley?, How many types of trees were around the Indus Valley?, What kind of clothes did the people of the Indus Valley wear?, What were their foods?, People of the Indus Valley Literature is one that can tell about daily life and many more things. It is Sangam literature. Indus Valley has more than 2100 Sangam literary town names. These names date back to 5000 BC..the evidence is journey of civilization indus to vaigai book.latitude and longitude are given in this book..the names of this town are only in two areas. One is in Indus Valley in Pakistan and the other is in Tamil Nadu in India..Indus Valley has more Sanga Literary town names than Tamil Nadu.. As Tamil language is very ancient it has changed in every period. Tamil language has changed more than 15 times so its ancient form is not readable now. The alphabet of the Tamil language can be read twelve times, but its primitive form cannot be read. But the Aryans destroyed the source of it...Sanskrit was created by the Tamils themselves. The meaning of Sanskirudam is not even in Rigveda. That meaning is 'Samaikka patta kirudam '. If so, it is a 'Samaikka patta language'. English meaning is cooked language..Created with Tamil grammar and words from literature of many languages.. Everyone explores Indus Valley north and east of India there is no evidence there. But they don't want to explore south of India and places around Indian ocean..why India doesn't allow it..
but rakhighari is much older and much bigger site then harrapa. it's not very odd to give more importance to this site second most of sites are on the banks of saraswati river its also not odd to name saraswati civilization. to name it vedic i think its not good because we r not sure about the characteristic of the culture
@@manjulashanmugasundaram706 who told u that yess they are more similar to tribals genetics but they also share similarities with brahmins of up and gujarat too second off course lots people have come to gujarat as Many migration happened in this area so there will be admixture in the genetics. Though the tribal have similar genetics this cannot mean they r from rakhigarhi because other then genetics there are other factor like the material culture is not same.
That time not Saraswati River.River Name sindhu River.Then This is Indian Tamil civilization.JOURNEY OF CIVILIZATION INDUS TO VAGAI BOOK IS MAIN PROOF ... Then i am also lot evidence available people speak to Mainly Tamil language only.. Why?..I have proof. 1.) TAMIL language total Number of inscription 67000 nos.. Then inscription age 700.B.C. 2.)SANSKRIT total inscription is 4500 only..Sanskrit INSCRIPTION is 100.B.C 3.)Sangam literature lot proof avaialable..Sangam Literature land wise People how survive lot poem available. Kurinji land - mountain land, Mullai land- Tree land, Marutham land -aggreculture land, Neythal land - sea land, Paalai land - Sesertland or Sand land or waste land,So land wise poem avaialable..Sangam Litrature lot poem avaialable in desert land poems..Sangam Literature writing 2500 year ago.. This is the mainly Proof .. India lot INSCRIPTION avaialable 1.) Tamizhi inscription 2.)Poly language inscription 3.)Ashoca inscription 4.)Devanagari inscription.. 5.)SANSKRIT inscription Then Tamil language world wide Lot of evidence is available. But Sanskrit evidence little bit only available.. Tamil Literature Sangam Literature Three Sangams wrote poems and developed the Tamil language. Names of those three Sangams. 1.)First Association 2.)Second Association 3.) Third Association. Sangha literature is reorganized and written between 600 BC and 1300 AD. 1.) Poems of the First Sangam relate to events before 6000 BC. 2.) Poems of the Second Sangam relate to events which took place before 2500 BC. Says it like a song. 3.) The hymns of the Third Sangam relate events from 800 BC to 1200 AD. The following are not mentioned in any literature in India. The following has been said in only one literature and that is Sangam literature only. Apartment buildings, Sewerage, Bricks, Forts, Education, Straight roads, Seals, What creatures were around the Indus Valley?, How many types of trees were around the Indus Valley?, What kind of clothes did the people of the Indus Valley wear?, What were their foods?, People of the Indus Valley Literature is one that can tell about daily life and many more things. It is Sangam literature. Indus Valley has more than 2100 Sangam literary town names. These names date back to 5000 BC..the evidence is journey of civilization indus to vaigai book.latitude and longitude are given in this book..the names of this town are only in two areas. One is in Indus Valley in Pakistan and the other is in Tamil Nadu in India..Indus Valley has more Sanga Literary town names than Tamil Nadu.. As Tamil language is very ancient it has changed in every period. Tamil language has changed more than 15 times so its ancient form is not readable now. The alphabet of the Tamil language can be read twelve times, but its primitive form cannot be read. But the Aryans destroyed the source of it...Sanskrit was created by the Tamils themselves. The meaning of Sanskirudam is not even in Rigveda. That meaning is 'Samaikka patta kirudam '. If so, it is a 'Samaikka patta language'. English meaning is cooked language..Created with Tamil grammar and words from literature of many languages.. Everyone explores Indus Valley north and east of India there is no evidence there. But they don't want to explore south of India and places around Indian ocean..why India doesn't allow it..
@@manjulashanmugasundaram706 Lol who told you. Stop giving false information even print has disproved it. The person who was involved in it Molecular biologists Neeraj said that Rakhigarhi women had U2 haplograup and this haplograup among North Indian Hindus and Non- trible caste is more than 15% European 13%, tribals 11% U2/ Iranian-Neolithic/ CHG Genes were dominant in Harappan than the Onge- Andamanes gene
Àll the left historians distorted the Indian history by rhyming with Britishers and foreigners. The chariots found in the sinauli (up) clearly indicate we were advanced in the technology in the contemporary world. This debunk the Aryan invasion theory of Leftists and propandagist ideology researchers. Saptsindhu is clearly mentioned in the rigved just bcz it disappeared today doesn't negate the fact that it didn't exist . The indus valley civilization is basically a #Sindhu_Saraswati_civilization . If we look at the cities found in the Indus valley civilization was between these two rivers. Mahabharata epic also mentions the same fact when Pandavas managed to escape from the Lakshagrah through this underground river . Many researchers tried to showcase the bed of the Saraswati.
Maybe, at least they had some history for Indians otherwise, Indians had no sense of history. No one is doing propaganda. Sindu and Saraswati rivers never flowed in south India. You are the one who is spreading the propaganda. Why you don't publish a scientific paper in a scientific journal with your evidence? Nope, you will not do it and will not allow others to do it either. Mahabharata is an epic as you said not a historical document.
Leftist historians never said that Aryans were invaders but they said that they migrated from somewhere else to India. She's not a leftist but a right-wing archaeologist.
Well, as you admitted that Rakhigarhi is the oldest and largest site, so at the very least the suggestion to name the civilization after the oldest and largest site is not crazy. Also, wouldn't you agree that excavation of Harappa before the excavation of Rakhigarhi was just by chance? IOW, accidental? I don't understand why so angry about this, it's a logical question to ask, no?
That is why it is called Indus valley civilization collectively, Rakhigarhi may be the largest site that has been excavated today, but in future you may have a another new site larger than Rakhigri, so it is only logical to name all these site as indus valley civilization owing to the proximity to which they are found. Also we all know civilizations always existed near waterbodies, it only makes it more logical.
@@AjithKumar-ih6sz the only problem with the term indus valley civilization is that more than 60% of its sites are situated outside of it, largely in saraswat river valley and in gujrat. Infact baring few,none of the sites are situated on the banks of indus, while contrary to that, almost all major sites in saraswat river valley are situated on its banks. Think wisely.
Is there any evidence of Vedic rituals & sanskrit in those sites? In which case "vedic" is an artificial imposition & ideologically motivated. It's like calling Babylon / mesopotamian excavations Abrahamic civilization.
Also Naming anything is a great power in itself. When they name it Harappan civilization they tend to separate it and paint a picture as if it had nothing to do with other simultaneous habitable sites. Calling it a separate civilization altogether is a leftover thought process of one's belief in AIT or AMT.
Disha should be Political Commentator not an archeologist. Logically, with her explanation she is defeating her own argument. Even Harappans didn't call themselves 'Harappan'... Given her explanation, it looks more logical to call it Vedic civilization than "Harappan".
@@nancyyadav3768 NCERT Text books are not good source of information. Read other independent books or (if you prefer) watch interviews on new revelations from Archeologists. This age very much matches with Vedic age and the description matches with what is being found. For example, Excavations of Sanauli provide proof that Chariots were being used by the people here... debunking the hypothesis that Aryan invasion (again debunked by DNA analysis of Rakhigarhi) brought Chariots.
I have to disagree. Harappan and Vedic are two very different cultures. Be it language, social life, social structures, timelines, art. I understand history is a divisive topic and everyone believes their own story but the gap between the 2 civilizations is too wide to be covered by just a chariots or other small evidences. We are yet to conclusively link harappan civilization with the Vedic civilization. Until proven, we shall treat them as 2 distinct cultures separated by around 500 years(a pretty huge time gap).
Just an archeologist insisting on keeping the name "Harappan" just because it is a tradition in the ASI to name an unknown historical entity by the place where the the first evidence of it was found. Even if later you find a lot more sites in another geographical area of the same era. A thing can have several names. Let ASI keep "Harappan" as the technical name for its use and the outside world call it by a better name (of course if the name makes sense based on evidence and not fitted to suit a popular narrative).
33 mins of a lot of yapping lol what is your phd in yappalogy? Your entire 33 mins can be summarised as "because it's a convention" guess what other convention are constant of gravity is "G" but that doesn't mean it has to be called "G" you can call it anything it won't change. However... Renaming it a vedic Saraswati is correctly re labeling it as a continuation and that is required. Word of advice come up with new modes of thinking constantly looking at civilisation sites a museum price.
Your argument to call it Harappa civilization is not clear , but as you explained after finding so many sites around everywhere in India why should it be called after Harappa only seems very logical . You proved it otherwise perhaps .
@thezoldics7648 Why not refer to recent scientific research papers published in the most prestigious journals of world? I suggest searching for the term "the YAMNAYA civilization" in journals like "Nature", "Science", "Cell", and recent publications from Oxford, Cambridge, Yale, etc. Archaeological Survey of India is still okay. But be careful of those who appear in populist video channels and claim they have done research. (They will never give you the exact link for the papers, which is a sign of fraud. Also beware of those who drop names like "nasa" etc. More fraud.) Also avoid populist sites like swarajya etc. Stick to real research. Once again, please search for "Yamnaya"
I think she just pointed out that the Harappan Civilization should not be called as the Vedic civilization. In the TRS clips she said there's no evidence for AIT and she hadn't contradicted her statement in this video.
Why is Bronze Age Egyptian Civilization named so, and not Nile Civilization or Memphis Civilization? Why is Mesopotamian Civilization named so, and not Tigris & Euphrates or Sumerian?
There is no mention that indus valley civilization was dravidian, imfact dravidian does not mean race but locality Dravidian(a land surrounded by three rivers) and aryan is not a race, it is a term used for the vedic noble people
Indians have most variety of r1a1 means we can be all colors Every indian is aryan and indians are original aryans it is proven by senior most a.s.i. head archeologist bb. Lal and dna researcher and a.s.i. member dr. neeraj see his podcast. Europeans got influenced by those nine expelled clans mentioned in vedas . 🇮🇳 are ancestors of humanity cuz h group f originated here and people first evolved to look like todays men here
If ThePrint wants subscription, then pls make better videos. The only moral of the entire 33 min of ranting is there is lot noise outside and I will add more to it.
The point Mr Fowley is making is that the origins of the so called Harappan Civilisation start from much within the present day boundaries of India and it spread in all directions. Now, this may look like a “Nationalistic” view, but there has to be a valid argument to prove otherwise. After all, we were all fed the BS about Aryan Invasion Theory, if Mr Fowley is proving that Indian culture is local, and it spread outwards from even the political boundaries of today, why should that be discouraged or discounted? The first step towards the truth is to begin with dismantling the biggest lie. Calling Bharitya sabhyata “Indus Valley” is a misnomer to begin with.
O ho ma'am wah kya baat kya baat.. When don't have correct answers or correct debat. Then confuse and give a long lecture on Name civilization then you thought you won. Ma'am please go study again.. and debate
The naked fact is the Ancient Bhartiya Civilization/Harrappa/Indus Civilization is spread over a vast area....of which still a lot of excavations are yet to be done...! Further there are hardly any Archaelogists who are looking at the seals found in those vast area commonly. They undoubteddly say about an ancient Sraman/Saman Civilization wherein the standing posture of a Human figurë which is present only in Sraman Civilization called as a 'Kausag Mudra' , the Swastik has a very deeper meaning in Sraman Civilization, the indus script is more matching with Brahmi script which also was used during Ancient Sraman Civilization....unfortunately no one will mention this because there are very few followers of the true Sraman dharam in today's times.
The Harappans were subjugated by the people who came from the Steppes. They are the original inhabitants and migrated to South India after the invasion
@@sahais2012 Yes, that was what might have prompted them to move East and South. They were no warriors but peaceful agriculturists. They were not nomads by nature but settled people. Such people don't move towards harsh mountains and expose themselves to attack by nomadic tribes in the Central Asian Steppes. Their natural path was to seek water elsewhere, such as the Gangetic Plain, and thereafter the peninsular river regions.
But it is still incidental, because Harappa site was excavated first. Saraswati may also not be appropriate. Probably, Ancient Indian Civilization or Ancient North-West Indian Civilization.
@@djsjsjjejebfbdj her explanations were more driven by her feelings than logic... And we all know that is bad. There was not a single logical point she made that is tenable.
The intense tension which I feel as a layman researcher is the naturalreligious ego of hoping harrappan civilisation is the continuing Vedic civilisation. This voice in my head is the obstacle of acquiring truth and I fight it every step of the way in my personal study (coming froma Hindu backgeound with no qualifications in Hinduism or archaeoogy or history). I am just a descendant of India trying to find his heritage in an unbias way. This requires alot of thought and it is hard. Putting Pakistan aside, the three links that I can see connected to Vedic civilisation is the Pashupati seal, the Rig Vedic reference and reverence of the Saraswati river and the places of the sites. The questions becomes... WHO came first, from which direction, are they two ormore different tribes, is this the Vedic civilisation in its earliest phase?...Was there an invasion or displacement of sorts. Why are there burials when the vedic custom(unless the injunctions began in the Puranas) perform cremations? What happened to this culture? I must applaud Disha and archaeologists ofIndia and Western too who seem to just want to get to the truth, free from religious zeal/attachments from blinding them. What use is religion if itblinds us from the truth?
@thezoldics7648 That is how we got caste system. Aryans were horse-riding warriors and Indians had no horses. They were also tall, strong than the Agriculturists of Indian plains. This created the difference between the ruler and ruled, and both cultures imbibed from each other. But Aryans being in control of power, ensured that they were at the top. Hence caste system. Unfortunately, the caste system divided the society vertically and prevented easy spread of knowledge. Every caste, every subcaste, family etc. kept their innovations secret and did not write them down. A BRahmin Michelangelo could not become a sculptor and a shudra Ramanjuan could not learn Mathematics. Thus we wasted a huge amount of talent. This is why Indians did not technologically advance unlike ancient Chinese, Greeks etc. This was also why Muslim invaders could rule us so long. At first they massacred "nonbelievers" but later they realized that caste system was good for them. So they made the high castes responsible for collecting taxes for Muslim rulers. As long as taxes were coming in, Hindus were not disturbed. Thus Islamic invasion worsened the caste system. British also followed the same policy. That is why we are where we are now. We ourselves presided over our own slow destruction over three millennia. But all that is in the past. Let us focus on today and work for tomorrow. United.
I'm not an archaeologist, a linguist, neither an Indologist scholar, nor have I read the article by Frawley. But merely on the points raised in the video, I have a few issues. Firstly, the disagreement seems to be wholly on a matter of convention. Therefore, any attempt at "logically" disproving either side seems to be a clear fallacy. So, the validity of your entire argument rests on a practical consideration that you had mentioned, calling the entire culture as Harappan culture so as to identify Harappa as the archaeological benchmark on which to identify said culture archaeologically. You also mentioned that it would be ideal to have a single name for this culture as it would help streamline the academic discourse on the topic. But as an archaeologist yourself, a convention that is pragmatic for you need not be the ideal pick say for a Linguist. As a mere oberver in the matter, it seems reasonable to me that a scholar specialising in Vedic culture might want to categorise different locations so as to identify them in their own theory of how everything must've evolved, i.e., the movement of people, cultural evolution etc. Having multiple theories can be beneficial and allows for open discussion, so while the archaeologists are completely valid in calling some culture some name, so too are the other sorts of scholars. Especially since, as you said yourself, the lack of conclusive evidence regarding proto-History necessitates academic work in multiple disciplines, be it Archaeology, Linguistics, or Historic Literature. So maybe let's allow for multiple conventions? Also, in the interest of providing critical feedback so as to make this video series better, cus I do like it a lot, maybe efforts can be made to make the video more succint? It seemed to me like there was a lot of repetition. So idk maybe a script? lmao
Also, after having read a lot of the comments here, they seem to be calling Disha as "ideologically motivated". I don't pretend to understand her ideologically, but what was clear to me was that she feels this classification is put forth based on some bias motivated by the current state of national boundaries, which is basically a defense against possible discrimination that's put across in the spirit of a social discussion. So somehow characterising her as "ideologically motivated" and therefore problematic is entirely nonsensical. With that same logic, the very same comments would be problematic too as theyre also "ideologically motivated". Relax guys, we don't need to be so sensitive regarding our culture cus it's very clearly an amazing, expansive and deep culture. Why needlessly polarize the academic pursuit?
Instead of lecturing someone for his peace of opinion, Ms. Disha Ahluwalia has to rather learn to pronounce 'Padmabhushan' instead of 'Padambushan'! Then she may have to learn that a lot of Leftist historians tweaked and falsified the artifacts, history, archeology, literature, customs, and culture. And therefore she may have to start her negation from those fallacies. Then, she may have to express her ignorance for misguiding the people and viewers on her substantiation as an archeologist on foul Aryan Invasion Theory. I wish she had provided a piece of evidence on her rhetoric. Last, though I may be wrong, she seems to have completely made up a video just on the basis of her ideology than archeology.
Your passion speaks very loud and it shows how deeply affected you were from the deeply irresponsible statements. Very well made, the name Harappan Civilisation definitely evokes alot of positive sentiment about a time when the nation knew no boundaries. I still am uncertain about the connection (or the lack of it) between Harappan and Rig-vedic civilization, and thats somewhere i would love to see some more videos like these
It's possible that calling it vedic might be too far, however Sindhu-Saraswati civilisation could be apropos. We now know that it wasn't reatricted to Indus Valley alone and spread to vast swathes across the Subcontinent. Sticking to Harappan/IVC restricts it to a smaller section which definitely isnt the case anymore.
First for reminder its a leftist biased media I don't get it why it cannot be called Saraswati or Saraswati- sindhu civilization Saraswati river has been scientifically proven it existed not mythical And more than 70% sites is in bank of Saraswati river. So why can it not be called Saraswati civilization or Saraswati-sindhu civilization
Saraswati River was not in South India. There is no city with the name Sindhu or Saraswati. You can study archaeology and publish in scientific journals.
Where is Sarasvathi river, Indus Valley civilization is pure Thamil civilization, all historians lying about South Indians history. Take a look keeladi letters and indus letters are same age peroiods
Maybe he is excited by the new findings of how old Rakhigarhi is dating back to i.e 6,000 BCE and it is biggest site 550 Hectares throughout Harappan civilization as far as we know currently and somehow it is near the drishadvati-saraswati which he claimed to be part of Early Vedic culture that how it is described in Rig Veda whereas Harappa is a later site as it doesn't dates back to 6,000 BCE or even 5,000 BCE it's more closely towards 3rd Millennium BCE with only 300 Hectares. But it is too early for him to declare it as Vedic-saraswati civilization as Harappan-script is yet not Deciphered so we have to wait few centuries
@user-cl9bd1tz3b That's the name of the game. My claims are only ss true as Harrapan Civilization being Vedic Civilization. The day any one can prove that Vedas are even 1500 years old I will show my proof. Till then Happy Propaganda.
Indus valley civiluzatiin 2600bc to 1900bc. West Eurasion Vedic culture 100AD onwards including endogany, Varna Jati caste system. Googlr ' caste no bar' by anupriys..
The west Eurasian aryans and the Vedic culture actively appear with the forced commission of Endogamy Varna Jati caste system in 100AD on the freely mixing 'caste no bar' ANI population of North India. The forced commission of Endogamy Varna jati caste system was to exclude the ANI ( AASI +Steppe ancestry ) and prevent mixing with the Vedic society.
Why so much hatred towards David Frawley madam? Did you ever question Thapar’s credibility or questioned fake Aryan Invasion theory? Why come up with videos against David? Because he follows Hinduism?
Indus Valley Civilization disappeared in 1900bc.havibg been evacuated to East and South India. The IVC was occupied in 150Obc. By immigrating European and Central bringing new languages religion and culture . The Vedic Culture
The Indus/Harappan civilization was a ended in 1900bc and clearly stands alone as a unique achievement of its inhabitants. Why would irrelevant late comers want to claim it ? The IVC was spread over a vast area and every detail of its features and history is understandably not mentioned. The success of the IVC is very popular and cannot be replicated.
Hydrology stress. Goddess Ganga defeated Goddess Saraswati . Root cause mahabharata war. They were looking for the source of the Saraswati river. The correct term is IndoAryan civilization.
The features of a ruver or landscape could not have held siignificance for the constantly wandering nomadic Steppe pastoralist . Sunilar rivers snd landcscape would be common every day exoerience.
The Indus Valley Civilization can be called only by that name,because the name includes many associated cities from the same period and culture, even future finds. Harappa happens to be the first find so the name stays. I hope the effort is not to isolate Harappa and give it another irrelevant name The name Saraswati is meaningless, and misleading because the river is non- existent and refers to a later era with different Steppe culture and origins
The presenter just wasted 30 mins of my time and an additional 1.5 hours from the appearance on TRS, by self contradiction on very basic points like AIT. Humility comes with experience, and so does nuance. Take the example of Mr. KK Mohamed who has decades over the presenter in terms of experience but has no iota of arrogance and is very balanced in presenting an argument or explanation.
I dont know on the talk of Saraswathi civilization or Harappan civilization which existed as told in the Nadhi suktam of Rigveda. what else then!! Previously experts concluded more than 80 percent of Harappan settlement on the banks of dried paleochannels of Saraswathi river, Sindhu civilization was called Sindhu Saraswathi civilizationm bt elaborate studies, then it is Vedic civilization only, if not what else!! Why Rigveda accurate and add importance to its reference in Rigveda! You people should not blab here!1
Àll the left historians distorted the Indian history by rhyming with Britishers and foreigners. The chariots found in the sinauli (up) clearly indicate we were advanced in the technology in the contemporary world. This debunk the Aryan invasion theory of Leftists and propandagist ideology researchers. Saptsindhu is clearly mentioned in the rigved just bcz it disappeared today doesn't negate the fact that it didn't exist . The indus valley civilization is basically a #Sindhu_Saraswati_civilization . If we look at the cities found in the Indus valley civilization was between these two rivers. Mahabharata epic also mentions the same fact when Pandavas managed to escape from the Lakshagrah through this underground river . Many researchers tried to showcase the bed of the Saraswati.
@histarchus Lolz. I mean seriously? Offcourse its a fact that Harappa is in Pakistan now and its not a new development. I guess it happened so like almost 8 decades back. Now suddenly David Frowly is doing this for the sake of elections!!! Really have no response to this. I mean does it have any potential to become an election influencing effect? Most people in India on either sides of political spectrum don't give a damn about it and have absolutely no idea and interest in this and will vote in favour or against the current political disposition solely based on their idealogical inclinations and few other factors and to my mind this issue is certainly not one amongst them!!!
Madam, even Aztecs did not call themselves as Aztecs. Mexica is the actual name, even this was not represented correctly. while i too do not believe harappan and rakhigari as exclusive to each other.
The Harappan Civilization is nothing but an ancient Hindu civilization. The indus valley civilization had the following: 1. The use of Linga . 2. The existence of lord Pashupati, who is nothing but Shiva sitting in lotus position or Padmasana. 3. The Swastika sign. 4. Existence of multiple Deities, in other words polytheism. 5. Existence of Gods and Goddesses and divinificaiton of Nature and Animal. Is it not identical to Present day or any day Hinduism!
@@ringostarr1038 I agree that Lord Pashupati or Pashupatinath is not directly Lord Shiva. However, it is told that he is an incarnation of Lord Shiva.
@@ArpanHotaJUit's JAINISM whose ancient name is shraman dharma or anekantawad also called samanism or shramanism way ancient dharma than Buddhism It's jina rishabhdev or adinath whose sign or lanchan is bull and yaksha or guardian attendant diety is gomukh yaksha and yakshini chakreshwari mata whose vehicle is Garuda Entire tri loka view of universe in form of lokpurush or cosmic man or purush ling is well defined Also signs or lanchan of 24 Jain tirthankaras can be checked and you would see it matches with animals on the indus valley civilisation seals Pair of fishes same as asthamangla signs of Jainism and swastik gahuli patterns with rice grains or akshat during chaitya vandan Pooja is even made today by jains 😊 Rather the ikshvaku lineage or suryavanshi lineage or solar Dynasty itself starts from Jain tirthankar rishabhdev or adinath, son of swayambhu Manu or kulkar, nabhi kulkar or ajanabhi in which later lord Ram was born While 22nd tirthankara neminath or arishthnemi whose sign or lanchan is conch shell 🐚 and yakshi goddess amba or ambika was cousin of Krishna himself.they were chandravanshi or from lunar Dynasty from yaduvanshi lineage Entire kaalchakra or time cycle defined in Jainism and there have been cycles of civilization s that existed before us on this karmabhoomi Swastik,om and crescent 🌙 moon sign has deep associated meaning in Jainism akka shraman dharma
@@ArpanHotaJUanyways when Darius from Persian satrapy conquered Sindhu sauvira janpada for brief time, Sindhu sauvira janpada was earlier with king udayan who took Jain diksha under vardhaman mahavir himself Vardhaman mahavir was 24th tirthankara of already existing shraman sanskriti and not the first tirthankara to start JAINISM Prior to mahavir there was 23rd tirthankar parshvanath bhagwan whose yaksha or guardian attendant diety is serpent god dharnendra and yakshi padmawati devi Thus all 24 jinas have pair of yaksha yakshini or guardian attendant dieties The entire universe with triloka Urdhvalok or levels of devlokas or abode of celestial beings Madhyalok or middle realm of universe with concentric dweep and surrounding ocean rachna with innermost dweep called jambudweep whose centre is mount meru or sudarshan meru or sumeru or axis mundi around which jyotish devas nakshatra and navgrahas revolve around in their astral plane is explained in Jainism Adholoka or levels of narklok or dwellings of hellish beings So Jain cosmology already explain entire universe structure and even multiverse concept as life in other karmabhoomis exist like us 😊 So Jambudweepey bharatkshetrey bharatkhundey bharatvarshey......is geographic reference for our karmabhoomi which is bharatkshetra While jambudweep is vast and has other karmabhoomis like Airavat Kshetra Mahavidehkshetra where parallel life like us exists 😊
@@ArpanHotaJUthe lotus seating pose Kayotsarga (Sanskrit: कायोत्सर्ग Kāyotsarga, Jain Prakrit: काउस्सग्ग Kāussagga) is a yogic posture which is an important part of the Jain meditation. It literally means "dismissing the body".[1][2] A tirthankara is represented either seated in yoga posture or standing in the kayotsarga posture.[3] Kayotsarga means "to give up one's physical comfort and body movements", thus staying steady, either in a standing or other posture, and concentrating upon the true nature of the soul. It is one of the six essentials (avasyaka) of a Jain ascetic[4] and one of the 28 primary attributes of a Jain monks and nuns. There are other yogic pose too in Jainism however most of jina pratima or vigraha would be seen in kayotsarg position, either seating or standing
*Say anything I will still call iit "Vedic Saraswati" civilization. U like to be politically correct, it's ur choice. We like to be real and true to our culture.*
Stop this pseudo whatever which you are talking about. Everyone go listen to a real Archeologist at Smita Prakash Podcast at ANI who has excavated Sonauli.
Renaming it Bharatiya Sabhyata is necessary to end the AryaN theory and to confirm that the language of the Bronze Age civilization was Sanskrit and religion Vedic. The continuity of the material culture ended but the language and religion continued.
Ashoka's inscriptions were wrote in brahmi script.which is proto Sanskrit.Ashoka was around 400 hundred bce.But thay say Sanskrit is oder.how is it possible?is there any evidence that says Sanskrit is older? Any old inscription writen in Sanskrit found which is before Ashoka? How can Vedas be written before the language Sanskrit came after it?
o.o There are no Aryans, European skin, hair, eyes contain inactive melanin producing cells that are inactive or fractured to produce lighter pigments. o.o These can be activated by Tanning Bed Technology. At one point they were NORMAL in their ancestors o.o who were mostly Indians & some input from China. So, u fail there too, lftoyd
Only if the speaker comes out of colonial mindset and brown saheb syndrome, only then the statements would be conclusive. Let us not forgetany of the excavation of ASI were halted midway because the truiwas unfathomable for the ruling dispensation at that time.
Unnecessary episode only explaining the name Harappan civilization which is obviously named after a place, no one knows what to call them as their name is known to us and what they called themselves. she is giving contradicting statements just in explaining the word Harappan, completely biased and seems like politically motivated. Stop this kind of non-sense, people are watching and are well aware of.
The Harappan Civilization 2600 - 1900BC refers to a specific time period, with people, culture, languages social make up,contacts etc.who finally abandoned their Cities and migrated East and South to escape persecution by barbaric invading Horsemen from Steppes in Russia. The Vedic civilization 1500- 600BC was an entirely different time frame and different set of people Aryans.with different attributes. They replaced the Indus Valley population after the invading barbarians left the empty Cities. The earlier resident had already abandoned their Cities. So they are 2 distinctly different Civilizations .not to be combined.
@@Iiieevvueúiiebased on rigveda , Aryans used 17 ribs horse, No evidence of 17 ribs horse in steppe of Russia , rigveda mentioned race known as danava ( which later deemed as demons in purana ) According to rigveda they resided in north Danava in rigveda mean descendants of asur goddess river danu ( steppe river Danube , don steppe) The ancient race denyen were such similar people mentioned in rigveda
Haven't watched the whole video but so far it only seems like a cope video. Why is ancient Egypt called ancient Egypt and not 'the nile valley civilization'? I personally couldn't care less about the "uhm akshually🤓" scientific nomenclature crowd, seeing how often it is contradicted whenever it suits popular western narrative. Rome in all its forms was still called Rome. Whether the religion changed from Ancient Greek to Christian. Yet only in this case do we do all of this mental gymnastics to justify the name. "scientific nomenclature," "no direct continuity," and "insufficient evidence," are all just cope filled statements that no one outside of your circles cares about. So keep coping and seething, I guess?
I don't know what she is talking about. And trust me, I'm pretty smart when it comes to understanding new topics. Just mute and look at her facial expressions, its pretty funny 🤣🤣
Then why is that other major civilizations are not named just based on their index sites (say Egyptian civilization). Why not call it Indian civilization. Why stick with Harappa
