@@yuglesstubeNetanyahu funded Hamas to avoid negotiating with the PLO..Netanyahu was distracted trying to destroy the Israeli Supreme Court and Israeli Democracy when Hamas invaded, murdering innocent Israeli Citizens..
Arab Peace Initiative (22 % for Palestinians - 78% for Israelis) Before Hamas came to Gaza, in 2002 the Arab Peace Initiative, was introduced by Saudi Arabia and endorsed by all the Arab countries. It offers Israel full recognition by the 22 members of the Arab League in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal to its pre-1967 borders, thus allowing the Palestinians to create a viable independent state on what is only 22 percent of historic Palestine land. The Arab Peace Initiative was supported by large numbers of policy makers throughout the world, with favourable comments made by the leaders of over sixty countries including the American President himself. Israel Ignored it and carried on building more new settlements in the West Bank. If Israel accepted the peace initiative, then today wouldn’t be Hamas in GAZA and everyone knows this.
@@msdfsdfe2533 Where is your proof, also what about the following international law: "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." - Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 Israel has been breaking the above international law and others for the last 56 years, even before any stone was thrown at it.
@@Amantaz Israel did not deport or transfer anyone. Anyone who lives in the areas conquered in 1967 went of their own volition. Aside from that, all that is is a red herring. If you ask most Palestinians what they want, it is all of Palestine, not just the West Bank.
The Arabs attacked Israel in 1948-49, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, and 2023 also two intifadas 1987-1993 and 2000-2005. The offer of a two state solution was made in 1937, 1948, 1979, 2000 and 2008. It is the Arabs that won't accept peace or recognise Israel's right to exist. When that changes the hope for peace can begin.
@@David99356 yep they all evaporated under the refugee name ! The audacity to call yourself refugee ! Good thing we, all that were with israel, got well educated ! god save them
Well if Extreme Genocide cruelty is being done now to Innocent Gazan, (Who did not do the actual deed) then okay I just simply question? How do I as Western 'trust that', this Genocide plan of getting rid of All Palestinian and their kids, Was not 'set up for this purpose from the beginning???
Actually there was a ceasefire between white Jewish people living in Europe and Palestinians living in Palestine until the 20th century when some white Christian Europeans felt guilty ahout persecuting white Jewish Europeans or just wanted to get rid of white Jewish Europeans and so in a bizarre bit of logic said that it was ok for white Jewish Europeans to invade Palestine and steal most of the territory and a lot of white Jewish Europeans decided to do that. Hasn't been real peace in Palestine since then. Of course the logical thing for white Christian Europeans to do if they felt guilty for persecuting white Jewish Europeans for so long was to leave Palestine out of it and to let white Jewish Europeans have their own country on some of the European land that white Christian Europeans were casually taking away from European countries at the end of WW1 or at the end of WW2 but at the time white Christian Europeans were still stuck in an imperialist, colonialist mindset and felt that somehow it was ok to steal vast amounts of land from non-white people outside of Europe. And thus there hasn't been any peace in Palestine for over 75 years.
Then add to that ceasefire leaving the UN recognized Palestine territories that Israel is occupying, reckon Palestine as a sovereign country and we'll see if the situation won't improve! 😉
This guy has given the best argument on the Israeli point of view I’ve heard. He’s not make excuses or defending Israel. He’s simply explaining the national psyche of Israel regarding their place in the world.
So he explains their psyche as "insisting on being safe even if at the point of a gun". If this is to believed why has Netanyahu encouraged funding to Hamas through the years? Also if you are constantly expanding your territory as Israel has done in the west bank that clearly does not lend its self to safety. You are choosing expansion over safety.
@@satpujji I agree with you. Nit-yahoo policy was responsible for a lot of this mess. They pulled much of the population with him. The US did the same damn thing in Iraq
I keep hearing people on the Internet saying Israel lives alongside a force next door to it that wants to destroy it, meanwhile Israel is actually physically destroying its neighbour in real time
Can anyone tell me what you would do if you were forced to live in a place without an airport for 56years? Think about it deeply and let me know if you could have your breakfast tomorrow?
What I would do is act in a peaceful manner, and not threaten and attack my more powerful neighbor all the time. That way they would trust me and I would be able to have much more freedom.
which airline would fly to an airport under the control of terrorists who hijack or blow up airplanes at will? Not even the Arab airlines would do. You confuse reason and consequences: Palestinians can have everything as soon as they behave like at least somewhat civilized and righteous people. It does not work that way that they get everything they want and therefore become civilized and righteous people - has never worked this way
After eliminating Hamas from Gaza, will Israel comply with the international law and let the Palestinians to have their own state, or will It create other excuses to build more settlements on the Palestinians land which is recognised by the international community???
It is a joke, right? They want to eliminate hamas so they eliminate all the palestinians - that's the plan and the excuse ! Look for Miko Peled interviews ! Look on the maps the american, canadiens, european white settlers are waving - next will be Sinai, parts of Syria, some in Lebanon ! International law is only relative, maybe you obey maybe you dont, where is the reinforcement? It only apply to Putin, Iran, China, North Corea - the irony
The Palestinians have been offered their own state five times. When Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 they effectively made it its own state. Since when they have put all their resources into tunnels, rockets and hatred.
Hamas didnt go to all this effort to not have a war . They need to draw other countries in as they don't have the power to defeat Israel. Israel has voted for politicians that want war.
Israel is not a monolith and Netanyahu is not Israel. This sort of talk is not historical or political analysis, it is the superficial punditry of journalists.
stivoarscott5831: Methinks you are mischaracterizing Freud’s thinking on unconscious trauma which then leads you to the mistaken conclusion that Israel ( clearly the victim here) is at fault, i.e. to blame for Hamas’ invasion. What Freud actually meant was that if presented with the same or near similar circumstances, the victim of unconscious trauma may react similarly as to when the initial event occurred but not realize it. Neurotics, on the other hand, tend to act out the unconscious trauma with or without similar stimuli, gratified or not. Your diagnoses really fails here because the Jewish trauma is not at all unconscious nor is it neurotic because blaming Jews, stigmatizing Jews, picking on people perceived to be Jews as well as those who are, insulting Jews, trying to drive Jews away, kidnapping, torturing and killing Jews still is going on and is exactly what Hamas did three weeks ago.
Daniel Finkelstein, OBE is a British journalist and politician. He is a former executive editor of The Times and remains a weekly political columnist. He is chair of the think tank Onward.
As a non Jew it's bizarre how people underestimate Jewish pain. I hear it all the time. 'The holocaust was 80 years ago' or 'when will they (Jews) stop talking about it (the holocaust)?'. To me this is such a weird expectation. All other peoples view the world through the prism of their pasts, why do we expect Jews to be different? And it's not a distant past either, it's living memory. How do you expect Jews who live this memory to react to Hamas terror or the constant delegitimising of the only majority Jewish country? Threatened? Angry to the core? How would you feel?
It’s ironic that a nuclear armed nation , with the highest technological capability and weapons and an economy that rivals super rich Arab nations are threatened by a large concentration camp of 2 million people that have no control over its food, water and electricity. And we’re supposed to believe this bs?
Homosexuality is not allowed in basically any religion.. however in our modern world Israel not only allows it, it celebrates it... however that modern way has by and large not made its way into the Arab/Muslim world.
What he is arguing is that because Israel sees itself in a certain way, the Palestinians have to just take what’s coming to them. Extraordinary. Which other country would we accept that position from? Yeah, I know - we can all name one or two. Still, not really acceptable.
If palestinians don't have an opportunity to live a tolerable life israel will always have a problem. They need to fix it by creating happy palestinians.
Are you aware that in 1947 the UN partitioned Palestine, the jews accepted it the Arabs did not? Are you aware that between 1948 and 1967 the west bank and gaza were under Arab rule and they did not set up a Palestinian state?
If understanding the "very essence of Israel" leads to the total destruction of Gaza which we are now witnessing, then I don't want to understand the "very essence of Israel."
@elderberries5970. I'm Chinese and always confused me when different groups of white people start calling each other "racist". Both of you are the same white race!
DF is a decent guy and and a gifted writer. His recent book about the exploits of his parents and grandparents during the 30s and 40s is worth reading. But he seems to be misunderstanding the current Israeli Govt's attitude to the Palestinian people. This was made clear in Bibi N's recent TV address in which he calls upon his people to show no mercy, invoking the Biblical texts in the Torah in where God instructs Israelites to commit genocide by wiping out enemy tribes to the last man, woman, child, infant and animal. I cannot accept that this would be a legitimate tactic in finding a permanent lasting solution to the Palestinian people, and I don't believe DF would, either.
As much as he may have liked it to be otherwise, Bibi is not a despot, and the war cabinet aren't his lackeys. I don't know what went through his head, but he's a political animal, he only thinks of how to spin a situation to his own benefit, and through this lens, his speech makes more sense; at least to me it does. This war cabinet has a mandate to destroy Hamas, not the Palestinians in general, and all Israelis are watching very closely.
Exodus, by Leon Uris is a historical novel. It was never intended to be factually accurate and it is not. I can forgive the millions of Americans who drew their understanding of Israel's birth from the book and the TV series based on it. Danny Finkelstein (nobody deserves to be called a lord for organising John Major's 1997 Election campaign) is either a knave or a fool to have done the same thing.
I heard someone say the the way to beat Hamas is to undermine the reason for their existence. That would be a negotiated 2 state solution. Then the need for them to exist would cease. No hope of that now though. This is set to run and run and run. We never seem to learn.
I think your missing an important point….. The Arabs ( aka Palestinians) want the Jews dead and the land known as “ from the river to the sea “ to be empty ( free) of Jews .. In the Muslim mind there is NO room for Jews anywhere. Therefore, 2 states will not work .
@sayitaintso2900 Just try to understand how any people would feel if invaders from another continent invaded and drove your people off their land and put your people in large, overcrowded, impoverished prison camps for generations and regularly harassed, beat, humiliated and killed members of your people just to remind you how strong they are and how helpless you are. People of any religion would be angry if this happened to them as it happened to the Palestinian people. Wouldn't you be angry if it happened to you and your people?
@@sayitaintso2900What does islam have to do with this? None of this has anything to do with religion. You are literally saying Palestinians deserve to die because they are not judaists. Your comment is full on racist. But of course when the racism targets jews, you cry foul.
Daniel, you are on the right path explaining why rejection of ceasefire is better moral choice, but you need more argumentation to explain why humans have to be sacrificed for the sake of creating and maintaining state and security for Jews. You need to trace it to the price Jews paid when 6 millions were exterminated during last world war . This number should be added to Israeli’s casualties when calculating human cost of Israel response
@@robby3467 Defending and murdering children are two different things. The world has decided Israel is guilty. Jews are hiding their faith for security reasons. The day of reckoning is near.
Well Israel wants a new settler area near the sea. This is just a real estate operation by Natenyahu. It's a shame we oppose Russia but support Israel. Both basically doing the same.
Russia supports Hamas. Iran Supports Russia and Hamas. Ukraine supports Israel. Tell me who your friends are and all that. It is indeed a shame "we" oppose Russia, they're so nice.
No, hamas is the equivalent of ruzzia here. They're allies. Ukraine and Israel are both modern democratic states are fighting an existential battle against terror.
In other words,; Israel's psyche was damaged in WW2 and their huge persecution then has resulted in them becoming the persecutors unable to see that if they had cultivated a balanced and fair attitude--the attitude that they themselves were denied from 84 years ago--then they may have been able to live in peace all these years. But they are since then incapable of it. How very sad.
No, Jews had 1500 years of persecution from "them" the reason Europe was full of Jews was Muslims driving them from their lands in the middle east, this situation was created by the Muslim genocide against Jews.
Are you aware that in 1947 the UN partitioned Palestine, the jews accepted it the Arabs did not? Are you aware that between 1948 and 1967 the west bank and gaza were under Arab rule and they did not set up a Palestinian state?
Be careful that the definition of a devil. is that he 'praises himself as being an Angel, While he kills a child, which is as equally bad as any Israeli life taken.
Other country's are very very Angry that children are being harmed. I'm sorry to be derogatory, but you are in a dangerously deluded bubble if you think that this is love.
There is an old saying that happiness or unhappiness usually goes to him that has the most of the one or the other. End quote. The Tao Te Ching says : What is half shall become whole. From this I conclude that It is those whose lives are most worth living who deserve to win a war : And it is those whose lives are least worth living who deserve to lose a war. History has repeated itself. Just as Saddam Hussain appears to have been a geographic reincarnation of king Nebuchadnezzar, so likewise today's Palestinians appear to be a geographic reincarnation of the ancient Philistines who Samson and other Israelite heros slaughtered in great numbers at the same location, Gaza.
That may well be Israel's view, but Israel is just a small country in the world, and the world has many different views and exists on compromise. The calls for a ceasefire are probably more to try to persuade those who support Israel's unconditional right to behave as it wishes to think again. Because without that support, primarily the USA's, they would surely have to compromise. Hamas are another matter entirely, they want to set up a Califate. I would have thought that controlling Hamas would be easier if Israel was on friendlier terms with those of its Arab neighbours, including Palestinians, who are not like minded with Hamas and the similar others. Completely ignoring morality, and the rights and wrongs of history, I just do not see how the current actions lead anywhere towards a long term peace accord that all can support. The US is stretched - Ukraine, Israel and maybe in future Taiwan. They need to build alliances, not enmities.
Don't do that. I'm sure thinking god is on your side is very encouraging if you're Israeli, but to everyone else it's like boasting how big your dad is.
@@CecilSTeddy Early zionists were not into religion. This is a most misunderstood point. Zionism is only the idea of giving Jews a homeland, it's nothing else. Not an ideology, not a religion, not a political movement.
dont confuse misunderstanding the essence with being concerned that the essence in a founding trauma is more than likely to bring on what Freud called the compulsion to repeat. which I would interpret here as Israel unconsciously bringing itself repeatedly to situations where literal existential questions face it. Israel was not born in a vacuum.
He hasn't claimed it in anyway. All he said is that if you want to understand the jews, you have to understand that their main narrative about themselves is of being persecuted, from ancient Egypt 1000BC (where the story tells the pharoe decreed every male baby is to be killed, through Persia 500BC (where the story goes, Amman decreed to exterminate the jews) and so on.... Jews have been telling themselves in their holydays every year for over 2000 years that the world is out to get them. If you want to reach a solution, rather than just yell "I am right" and fight, you have to understand how the other side thinks and what might be acceptable for them.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... Oh wait? Your serious! LOL LOL LOL. As a Texan of Scottish Descent, I must say you anti-Semitics are ridiculous. I'm with Isreal all the way. They didn't dance with joy over the death of random strangers from all over the world on 9/11. Even after all the persecution they have seen, they are not yet consumed with hatred. They don't raise their children on hatred. The Gazans situation is self inflicted- beginning with making an unprovoked attack on Israel in 1948 when the Gazans *had their own nation* . They chose hatred and war instead of peace 75 years ago.
Didn’t work after 1937, 1948, or 1967 either. The closest we have gotten is they demand a full right of return and a return to borders that simply cannot happen with two states
