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Visit to site of Civil War Union prison Camp Douglas
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Map of Camp Douglas, Chicago
[Camp Douglas was the training site for the Fifty-First Illinois Infantry.]
This map superimposes the boundaries of old Camp Douglas on Chicago streets that were laid out in years after the Civil War. When the camp was built in 1861, the area was little more than prairie though Cottage Grove Avenue connected Cottage Grove to Chicago. The main entrance to the camp fronted on Cottage Grove Avenue.
The North's Andersonville!
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"Prisoners were deprived of clothing to discourage escapes. Many wore sacks with head and arm holes cut out; few had underwear. Blankets to offset the bitter northern winter were confiscated from the few that had them. The weakest froze to death. The Chicago winter of 1864 was devastating. The loss of 1,091 lives in only four months was heaviest for any like period in the camp's history, and equaled the deaths at the highest rate of Andersonville from February to May, 1864. Yet, it is the name of Andersonville that burns in infamy, while there exists a northern counterpart of little shame."
"Confederate Mound"
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Upon the closing of City Cemetery, the bodies interred there were moved to the new cemeteries - Rosehill, Graceland, Oak Woods. The federal government purchased a section of Oak Woods in 1867 to accomodate the 4200 known casualties of Camp Douglas. The coffins were placed in concentric circular trenches. Although the government only had 4200 names, cemetery records indicate that closer to 6000 coffins were buried here. In addition to the unknown number of Southerners, twelve Union soldiers are buried here as well, guards from the camp. Their markers, reading "Unknown U.S. Soldier", stand in a single row behind one cannon.
** Griffin Family Funeral Home **
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The African-American-owned business is also part of another unique chapter in local history. It sits on land that was once Camp Douglas, a Civil War camp used to house Confederate prisoners of war. About 6,000 Confederates died from disease and exposure there -- and they are memorialized on the Heritage Memorial Wall outside the funeral home. It includes a Confederate flag flown at half-staff.
"They were the sons of God before they were the sons of man," O'Neal said.
Ernest Griffin, who died in 1995, was the driving force behind the memorial and the Civil War memorabilia that fill the funeral home. He became fascinated with the war after learning about Camp Douglas, and then learning his own grandfather, Charles H. Griffin, joined the Union Army at Camp Douglas in 1864.
That realization came after the Griffins bought the former Camp Douglas land....
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@dogstar7
@dogstar7 14 лет назад
@dogstar7 This is a great story, too: Ernest Griffin, who died in 1995, was the driving force behind the memorial and the Civil War memorabilia that fill the funeral home. He became fascinated with the war after learning about Camp Douglas, and then learning his own grandfather, Charles H. Griffin, joined the Union Army at Camp Douglas in 1864. That realization came after the Griffins bought the former Camp Douglas land....
@haynes1776
@haynes1776 14 лет назад
I saw your video and it was great. Camp Douglas was a living hell as Andersonville. There should be more research to do a story about what happened there.
@staclynn72
@staclynn72 13 лет назад
I just found out my grandmothers grandfather and his brother were in that place, I had no idea. Thank God they made it out. Captured at Cumberland Gap in Sept 9 of 1863 they got out in the end in 1865. Pledged an Oath to the US. Crazy I've never even heard of this place in any history in school etc.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 14 лет назад
@darthroden In just a quick look around the web for more information, I'm not sure if there has ever been a comprehensive archeological survey of the site. Most of the information about the plots that I could find came from contemporary illustrations from newspapers and pamphlets. Scaffolding had been erected for pedestrian traffic traversing to the southern rail-head of the city an viewing platforms overlooking the camp charged a penny for a peek through a field glass.
@travisbayles870
@travisbayles870 2 года назад
One of my Confederate ancestors fought at Cumberland Gap and was captured and imprisoned at Camp Douglas He died in July 1864
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 2 года назад
Yes, I understand that many who were captured in that particular battle were the first large contingent brought to the camp. Prisoner exchanges were suspended and the men were sequestered there for the duration.
@travisbayles870
@travisbayles870 2 года назад
Yes I'm very proud of my Confederate ancestors
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 14 лет назад
@dogstar7 The collection has not been on display since the funeral home closed in 2008. I'm hoping the family will be forthcoming if this video is successful.
@haynes1776
@haynes1776 14 лет назад
@darthroden are there any memorials marking were camp douglas stood. it had to be a large prison
@darthroden
@darthroden 14 лет назад
@dogstar7 Yeah Mr Griffin was a black man who ran a funeral home at the site, and he actually flew a Confederate battle flag out of respect for those men who died there...a rare thing outside the South. The camp had been built just above the University of Chicago. There is a Confederate monument in a cemetery near there where the graves of many of the Southern soldiers who died there are buried. Not all of them are buried there though, some of them went "missing" death unreported.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 14 лет назад
@haynes1776 I walked the throughout as well as perimeter of the site. There are no markers there at all. I would like to follow up with an interview with the Griffin family who ran a funeral home on the site. Look up "Civil War Talk - Griffin Funeral Home (Chicago) Built On Site Of Camp Douglas Closing At End Of Year" 12Nov2007
@goodoldrebel8
@goodoldrebel8 12 лет назад
So true, Elmira was truly Hellmira. How about Fort Delaware where so many southern POW's died-- right off the coast of NJ. In fact most are buried in Salem County NJ.
@hungarygator
@hungarygator 13 лет назад
@darthroden The documented evidence is that somewhere between 65,000 and 90,000 blacks served in the Confederate Army. Their reasons varied from patriotism, to wanting to better their station in life to ties of family and friendship to needing a job in an economy that had to be totally dedicated to the war effort. Wars are complex things and so are human beings.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
They took up arms against my beloved nation in the cause of slavery. No sleep lost over how they ended their miserable lives.
@Seenya59
@Seenya59 5 лет назад
You know NOTHING of the history of Lincoln's war for Southern money.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 To those literalistic hecklers out there, I would never claim that NO black freemen fought for the Confederacy, nor am I suggesting that aristocratic Confederate officers didn't dragoon their personal retinue of slaves and put them into uniforms. What I'm saying is the miniscule number of blacks that fought for rebel forces IN NO WAY indicates any level of Slave Support for the Confederate cause. Inhumanity by the Northern Troops is no form of justification for the rebellion, either.
@TheSouthron98
@TheSouthron98 13 лет назад
The following article appeared in the New York times June 27th, "Washington, 1871. Gen Forrest was before the Klu Klux Committee today, and his examination lasted four hours. After the examination, he remarked than the committee treated him with much courtesy and respect."
@TheSouthron98
@TheSouthron98 13 лет назад
Forrest took the witness stand June 27th, 1871. Building a railroad in Tennessee at the time, Gen Forrest stated he 'had done more , probably than any other man, to suppress these violence and difficulties and keep them down, had been vilified and abused in the (news) papers, and accused of things I never did while in the army and since. He had nothing to hide, wanted to see this matter settled, our country quite once more, and our people united and working together harmoniously.'
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Shit happens. When shit happens to those who fight to uphold slavery, I dance and sing!
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
@darthroden "Justifiably",eh? Yup, we got a live one, here. What's your claven? Who's your Cyclops?
@TheSouthron98
@TheSouthron98 13 лет назад
Forrest: 'It was a matter I knew very little about. All my efforts were addressed to stop it, disband it, and prevent it....I was trying to keep it down as much as possible.' Forrest: 'I talked with different people that I believed were connected to it, and urged the disbandment of it, that it should be broken up.'"
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
Just think of Billy T. Sherman as a 19th Century cruise missile headed for Atlanta.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Forrest was a criminal and a race hating marauder, merely a brigand in an age of men of honor.
@darthroden
@darthroden 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 There is plenty of documentation that says they did....including both Union sources and Southern ones.
@TheSouthron98
@TheSouthron98 13 лет назад
Asked if he knew of any men or combination of men violating the law or preventing the execution of the law: Gen Forest answered emphatically, 'No.' (A Committee member brought up a document suggesting otherwise, the 1868 newspaper article from the "Cincinnati Commercial". That was their "evidence", a news article.) Forrest stated '...any information he had on the Klan was information given to him by others.'
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
That'll teach you to try and tear apart the Union.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
@darthroden Once again, you came here. I didn't seek you out to talk over the rebellion with you. As for "sides", it's obvious where you sympathies lie as regards the Confederacy. If you wish to denounce any affection or loyalty, be my guest.
@goodoldrebel8
@goodoldrebel8 12 лет назад
% are deceptive. If you visit Fort Delaware you will know that most of the deaths were preventable and with that, I would truly rate Pea Patch Island as a intentional yankee death trap. The Delaware river was a safe geographic area- physically and logistically and literally no reason to have POWs suffer as they did.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
@hungarygator Keep coming back. I've made enough off of you to buy a latte tomorrow morning. Care to pay for my bagel, too?
@darthroden
@darthroden 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 Your skepticism is allowed.....your assault on the ancestry of these men and what they suffered at the hands of men charged with watching over them is definitely NOT allowed sir.
@darthroden
@darthroden 13 лет назад
@hungarygator Amen to that!
@jhvenus2004
@jhvenus2004 13 лет назад
@hungarygator Good.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Britain tried it's damnedest to do exactly that. The revolutionary leaders that were caught were hung. The story of massacre on the Boston Commons is taught to every American schoolchild. Don't try to command the moral high ground. Northern Ireland, India and South Africa all felt the wrath of British Kings throughout the ages. How dare you compare the slave holders of the American South to the Jews of Hitler's Germany. False analogy fallacy.
@darthroden
@darthroden 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 I can only speak for my OWN ancestor, a poor white farmer from northern Alabama who had a wife and four kids in 1860. He owned no slaves, nor did he give a damn about slaveowners who lived in plantation houses...and I doubt from what I knew of him he would have cared about either the slaves or the owners very much.
@hungarygator
@hungarygator 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 In What They Fought For James McPherson reported on more than 25,000 letters and 100 diaries of soldiers who fought. He concluded that Confederates "fought for liberty and independence from what they regarded as a tyrannical government." The letters and diaries of many Confederate soldiers "bristled with the rhetoric of liberty and self government," writes McPherson, and spoke of a fear of being "subjugated" and "enslaved" by a tyrannical federal government. Sound familiar?
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Spin into butter.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Still going on? My my, you do love to see yourself in print, don't you? Tell me more, I'm just fascinated.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
@darthroden Assault??? More southern melodrama. Listen, you began this little exchange venting your hostility. Your side lost. Get over it.
@darthroden
@darthroden 14 лет назад
@haynes1776 Yes there should, the record of the cruelty and the inhumanity done to those Southern boys there should never be forgotten.
@TheSouthron98
@TheSouthron98 13 лет назад
Sen. Scott asked, 'Did you take any steps in organizing an association or society under that prescript (Klan constitution)?' Forrest: 'I DID NOT' Forrest further stated that '...he thought the Organization (Klan) started in middle Tennessee, although he did not know where. It is said I started it.' Asked by Sen. Scott, 'Did you start it, Is that true?'
@TheSouthron98
@TheSouthron98 13 лет назад
Forrest: 'No Sir, it is not.' Asked if he had heard of the Knights of the white Camellia, a Klan-like organization in Louisiana, Forrest: 'Yes, they were reported to be there.' Senator: 'Were you a member of the order of the white Camellia?' Forrest: 'No Sir, I never was a member of the Knights of the white Camellia.' Asked about the Klan:
@hungarygator
@hungarygator 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 OK
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Tell me more about my morals. I'm all ears. Go on, this is marvelous...
@haynes1776
@haynes1776 14 лет назад
@dogstar7 Thats sad that there are no monuments at camp Douglas. Andersonville was more important. the men who were imprisoned there and suffered: their story must be told.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Sticks and stones will break my bones...
@jhvenus2004
@jhvenus2004 13 лет назад
@darthroden The sad part is that they died atrociously because they wanted to continue their peacetime atrocities against the black population. Crimes against humanity is always ugly. But I have no sorrow for ppl who deny others their humanity. For anyone who has ever supported the dehumanizing of others, may they rot in hell and be forgotten.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
@darthroden Thanks for sharing your family history. I'm sure your "ancestor" was a fine man by the standards of his day. Nobody can dispute that those who went off to become soldiers during the rebellion weren't motivated by their own personal sense of honor. Their sacrifice is worthy of the esteem of their countrymen, both North and South. If you are comforted by the idea that many Confederate soldiers were indifferent to slavery, that's your prerogative. Allow me my skepticism .
@TheSouthron98
@TheSouthron98 13 лет назад
Hungarygator I don't think you have the sense of goose: Here is the direct reponse from the Library of the Congress (Try to keep in mind this was a time when honor was everything and a man who killed a fellow officier with a pen knife over honour.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Keep up the hysterics. I get paid by the view. Tell all your friends to come by, too.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Yeah, I'm making historical claims. Right...
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Are you planning on writing you entire personal account of the history of the Civil War in 500 word increments here on my page? How special.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Yes yes, I'm a sociopath and an unusual kink, just like you say. Where does that leave us?
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Blah blah blah... No tears for traitors.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
@darthroden Furthermore, don't you dare accuse Union Soldiers of ANYTHING resembling the Massacre of over 300 surrendering black Union Soldiers AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN at Fort Pillow, Tennessee - at the order of and witnessed by Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest - on April 12, 1864 Any other comments?
@jhvenus2004
@jhvenus2004 13 лет назад
@hungarygator Peacetime Crimes.
@jrg7951
@jrg7951 6 лет назад
The victor writes the history, but the Elmira, NY Confederate POW camp was just as bad if not worse.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
My God! Are you still at it? You know that I could wake up tomorrow and delete all your posts at my pleasure.
@hungarygator
@hungarygator 13 лет назад
@jhvenus2004 War Crimes
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
@darthroden If you are trying advance the idea that poor rebel boys didn't mean no offence and frolicked with their little black cousins back on the plantation, try peddling that manure somewhere else, will ya'? Whether or not the stories of systematic murder of black prisoners taken with Confederates are accurate or not (there is one documented murder at the gate, to be fair) , to say that "Blacks fought for the Confederacy, too" is apocryphal half-truth. Documentation suggests otherwise
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
"emancipation without recolonization "??? What kind of word salad is that?
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Spin into butter!
@jhvenus2004
@jhvenus2004 13 лет назад
@hungarygator Complicit manure.
@darthroden
@darthroden 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 I denounce nothing pal, you seem to be the one who is deflecting here. All I did was say I honored the men who died there, you were the one who started with the attacks. I would also point out that the US Government and the US Dept. of Veterans Affairs recognizes Confederate soldiers as American Veterans, with equal status for these men as much as any other soldier from the USA who served in wartime. End of Story.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Wow, you are an obsessed little mocking-bird, aren't you? Do you really suppose I'm taking the time to read through your posts? Keep coming back and filling up the page. Makes it look more popular.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 13 лет назад
@hungarygator "Supposed"??? "propaganda"??? My tolerance for this is over. I don't who you think you are or what your purpose is, but you're nothing but a Klan apologist now buddy.
@osing4me
@osing4me 11 лет назад
What we need to learn from this is that atrocities happen...on both sides of conflict. That the narrative of here are the good guys and here are the bad guys is not as simple as professional wrestling. Also this memorial was created by a black man to acknowledge that all of us are God's children and should be honored as such...my great grandmother's brother died here....my great grandfather was Cherokee...I also had relatives die on the Union side. Let UsPray.
@darthroden
@darthroden 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 Tell you what homeboy, I will stop getting my facts from Gone With The Wind if you stop getting yours from Roots....neither movie or mini-series is historically accurate anyhow.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Yeah, we're all animals. Primates, in fact. It really doesn't matter. The Confederacy was a blight on humanity and those who stood to defend it held their own lives in forfeit. Go moralize on a the street corner, if you care to. I'm not buying it.
@darthroden
@darthroden 13 лет назад
@TheSouthron98 So now you resort to name calling....nice.
@darthroden
@darthroden 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 "My side lost?" Uh.....er.....ohhhh.......dude, I hate to break this to you but I did not serve in the WBTS. I had NO SIDE in it. I think maybe you are a bit confused.....either that or you are intent on re-winning a war that ended a hell of a long time ago. And "we" Southerns are supposedly the obsessed ones? Really? LMFAO!
@jhvenus2004
@jhvenus2004 13 лет назад
@hungarygator Karma.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
"Yankee aggression" LOL Whatever...
@darthroden
@darthroden 13 лет назад
@dogstar7 LMFAO! You call me and hungarygator "Klan apologists" yet you share the same POV about the Confederate soldier that a member of said group does....I for one do not. So tell me...buddy....what does THAT say about you?
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Do you live alone? Don't you have anyone to talk to during the day? Is there a point to this stream of comments?
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Good luck with your own video. When you have 3,000 views, come back and compare notes. When your channel reaches 3,400,000 views we'll talk some more.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
I win!
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
"flamboyantly gay" How quaint. Would you care to add any other ad homimen remarks to prove your point?
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Your claim of "extermination camps" is false and inflammatory. You're becoming hysterical just because your original post was challenged and not received as an inspired moralist screed.
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Jesus Christ! You're really are a whiny pest
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
You can always tell when a butt-hurt loser is losing an argument; They shift to another topic. Go TROLL a video about indians
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
Now you're inventing fiction. The Emancipation Proclamation was signed in 1863 "Moral constant", LOL! You just proved Godwin's postulate that protracted arguments devolve until someone brings up Nazis. Good grief! ROFL
@goodoldrebel8
@goodoldrebel8 12 лет назад
Happy Confederate Heroes Day 2012. It doesn't matter what the yankees have transformed this day into, it will still always be a tribute to the brave americans who had the courage to stand up against yankee aggression
@dogstar7
@dogstar7 12 лет назад
I win!
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