Can a Hydraulic Ram Pump Make a Perpetual Motion Loop? 

Very noisy signal and very inefficient to be to be a boost converter..

@@omniyambot9876 This is however a rigorous hydraulic analogy.

Yeah I guess

@@IncroyablesExperiences But it's a PWM maybe

I literally yesterday was thinking about this same exact thing. I was thinking about how water could push itself with release of energy, akin to how batteries release electrons from one side and grab them from another.

one of the only differences is that electricity has no weight, otherwise electrons would be like a fluid and those two would be the same thing

Yeah it's really cool to see similarities across various mediums of energy transfer.

Back in the 1700`s, churches and cathedralls and other huge building made their own energy by Eather, just out of ''thin air'' with antenna`s and coils, the people who build that powerstations called Tartarians, many video`s to find on youtube.. Guy`s like mr Edison and rockefeller destoyed al those technologie and forced us to use oil to create energy.. But the still use it for own use.. and many buildings are still using this technology but the ''normal'' people don`t know that.

As an apprentice 45 years ago our instructors used to use that analogy to help trainees understand how electricity works.

@@todaywefly4370 no way! That’s awesome! It really is pretty much the exact same. Did they use just a manual switch, or use a semiconductor (like a MOSFET, or maybe a BJT for that period)? And damn… 45 years ago was the year my parents were born. Love how the internet allows people to connect across generations.

Can they get the water to fill a reservoir and, once full, go higher? (Step and repeat?)

@@JakeWitmer not sure

Yes, but it consumes water to do it.

How much preasure they get

@@asmircar1 I've read it needs about 10psi to operate for a 20ft high (give or take) outlet... don't know about the length of the pipe, tho. But I'm sure there's a paper somewhere that explain it better.

I wanted to know where he got the pipe xd

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Oh. so his name is James!

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Yep

Water Hammer

Lol. How one letter can confuse an entire sentence. (I guess you meant "ago" and not "age".)

@@FelanLP Edited, Thank you :3

@@rvxn I legit saw “age” and then ago when I clicked to see replied because you edited it so quickly.

any idea which show it was

the program might be "Dirty rotten survival "

When I was a kid I always liked to turn it on and off really fast to make it sound like a machine gun Kelly

@@putrichan2550 you took uselessness to a whole new level

@@youregonnahaveaskeletontim1925 it's a bot, youtube is to blame here...

@@hovnocuc4551 ikr but looking at it just got me thinking of our generation like damn...

It's water hammer

wow...

That's serious and what is the maintainance like and do you have to manually open and shot the system down everyday or does it run 24/7

Would you say an oversized version of this could be used in an application that requires pumping water up 600m?

Do you have any videos . Would love to check that out

Please sir, will you share a video of it with us? Could build a generator with it and run basic systems in the house with it. Technology to free us is out there, but it is denied to us by slavers. Please teach us how to build freedom!

if its not Perpetual Motion don't even pose the question. thumbs down but like hell you could even see it anymore because of YTs stupid decisions. and the reason why i thumbs down is because i am of the belief that Perpetual Motion might be the only thing that can save humanity. and before any scientifically accurate retards pipe up, i didn't say "i believe its possible" i just said it could be what is necessary to for humanity to survive in any long term way. especially with the way governments of the world are treating long term problems like global worm and what not.

Synchronization

it's like a heart beat..

smart grand parents 👍🙏

What a observation xD

Thanks. It wasn't working at first. I had to replace the check valves to get it to work with my setup.

Ok

@@TheActionLab The issue was most likely the clear flexible drive pipe. I know for video purposes it worked to have everything in the frame but its ideal to have at least 25 feet of pvc pipe as the drive pipe. That would allow the normal valves to work correctly. Still a great demonstration!

@@LandtoHouse In a proper setup the drive pipe sholud be even more rigid than PVC, more like cast iron. The less give in that pipe the higher efficiency of the pump.

There is a guy on RU-vid named Seth Johnson. His channel is called Land to House. If you want to know more, I recommend checking his channel out. He does all kinds of experiments with them as well as showing you how to build them. He even sells them pre-built for cheaper than I was able to find all the parts myself. I have been using one of his ram pumps for about 2 years to keep fresh water to my goats and chickens.

@@Kenyon7877 Funny you mention it, because it was his ram pump that was used in this video!

True but it would be great if we could so that's why it's so tempting for people to believe it

All these physics laws continue to be the buzzkill to any of our ideas, not just free energy perpetual motion power plant, it also applies to our hoverboard.

It does not take college physics to know he needs to continuedly add water or it will stop since water is leaking all down his driveway and down the street.

You don't need to go to college to learn that

We just don't run the experiments or we would come to know some of this on our own. But I feel you I watched how a engine works and it made alot of sense

But where is the wasted energy in this analogy like the water that exits the top (outlet) valve? Power losses of diode and mosfet?

​@@Halolaloo "Wasted" water stands for current consumed from the low level input, this current is higher than the current produced at the high level output (boost converter - height is voltage). It's not wasted but necessary to generate the boost effect. Wasted energy is the water heating in pipes friction.

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I gotta say humans are great at trying to cheat the laws of physics.

How about my friends dog? She’s actually sprinted 6 miles, and she didn’t slow down the entire time. Like she was running at least 20 mph

@@NotProFishing more like misunderstanding mechanisms and declaring it as deceiving the laws of physics

@@NotProFishing , more like we hate them but forced to obey. We wish perpetual motion gives us free energy as well as a working hoverboard if physics laws do not being buzzkills to all of us.

And its missing parts to be perpetuel

Yep. That's why we put surge arrestor on end of line

Thermodynamics, just like any other physics law. It's always a buzzkill to our ideas! Still, where's my hoverboard?! Or a free energy perpetual motion power plant.

@just some guy tired of life , also fusion power, scientists still unable to make it a reality. They made fusion but it's a net loss again, uses tons of power to generate a bit amount of fusion power.

@just some guy tired of life Black holes dissipate so you can't actually make perpetual motion machines...

If we ever break the second law, we will be able to survive the heat death of the universe. Even if we only generate a few joules, that can run something. All I want is for us to break the second law, because then we'll be able to actually live forever, even if it's just digitally.

@@Darenz-cg9zg I feel you bro. However, the second law is what got this universe from that hot particle soup to what it is now, and why we can create things, so we have to deal with it.

All you would need is a catch basin,a few more valves and a couple of minutes a day.

...that did feel like important point he didn't bother with.

U look so cute aw

@@angelita6666 that picture is a few years old, maybe about 4 years

@@angelita6666 Creep

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Yep, but you have to have the waste valve cycle and flow freely or else it won't work. It is a perfect way to pump from existing rivers and streams.

The waste water energy is not captured, it is wasted energy. The energy that matters is the flowing water. That energy is enough to push a small amount of water higher than the original water source.

What is the sun?

Not free, we catch and convert. Yet the sun is depleting. You get 'free' energy. But the sun burns, and one day, it will burn out. Same with the water, the water source runs out. You can catch them waste and repurpose it. You can re-add it to the original source. Now you are expending energy. In any free energy generator, their is a source that depletes. The depletion time might just be 10 years. You do not create energy. You transform it. For every volt and amp you get out, you lose it elsewhere. If youmdraw from the greatest power source of all, the earth, the earth also has a shelve life. It also has a limit to its energy creation. You can build more complex machines, add more than one law of physics together to 'negate' aspects of physics, yet you can not change physics, just manipulate it using physics. And all these complex machines you build, most likely these systems already exist in nature. Changing one form of energy into another and keeping the cuycle going is a part of nature. Yet one day, nature will have nothing left to give. Evolution theory and science combined. Nothing could not explode and create a universe if energy can not be created. If a planet or space or the universe is eternal, it would mean that energy is coming from an outside source. Replenishing what has been used. Natural systems might be eternal, converting energy in several ways that lead back to the original source, but wear and tear breaks the mechanisms of the system. Somewhere , you do lose something. Always. 10 000 years of energy. Which to a man that lives to be 80 looks to be free. Your great great great great grand kids will pay the price. But who cares about them right.

Sun will eventually burn out

An immense limited power source

but doesn't a magnetic pump require power?

@@roadstwotravel1539 Who said anything about a pump? I'm talking about a completely different setup, where you use magnets, gravity, and momentum, plus a design which disengages the magnetic effect at the right time... of course, perpetual motion is impossible, I'm just saying it's fun to play with magnets and things and see what happens.

@@TubeNotMe nothing stops you from combining all to hit your target

@@onekycarscanners6002 yeah, it is all for fun and seeing what happens, we all know perpetual motion is impossible. But the more stuff you throw in, the more fun, and sometimes it seems close, and maybe something interesting will happen.

Why didn't you ask your grandfather how it worked?

@@offplanetevent he's dead duh

@@vocalpro When he was living, you boob.

more importantly is what problem or challenge did it solve or what was it used for.

It stumped me for a minute too... but the original water source has to be ABOVE the Ram pump... and not each cycle loses water through the waste valve... there is no violation of the 2nd Law... it's being powered by gravity... you lose water ... if you have a natural endless source of water... then no worries.. but if you're trying to move 100 gallons up a hill... you'll end up with 30 or so gallons at the top of the hill and 70 gallons waste water on the floor beside your Ram Pump.

@@calendarcalendar3838 but is there no way to direct that wasted water back into the system? i think this is pretty cool stuff

​@@woshua3143Nope, the best you could do is collect the waste water and manually move it back up to the level of the source water. Because the waste water valve has to be lower than the source of the water, you can't conserve the waste water and put it back in the system without expending energy. That's why this is best suited to a situation where you have a spring or a river (a constant source of water) where your can place this valve lower than that source (either in the ground or downstream). Otherwise you might as well use a hand pump up to a water tower or something if you want a system with no water waste.

​@@isaacholzwarthwith a water wheel up the top and some gears/ratio.

@@davidvickers8425 isn't possible. The kinetic/potential evergy of the water coming out isn't enough to bring the lower water up. The best you might be able to do is to move SOME of the waste water back up. However, the amount of water that goes out the waste is much more than the water coming out the top, so the energy in the water coming out the top simply isn't enough to move all the waste water back up. It's simply not possible.

You wouldn't be able to get any additional electricity from the water in any meaningful way, but you'd be able to conserve water, I suppose.

like all hydropower, the energy comes from Gravity, and falling water. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydropower

You're right. The water starts with potential energy, which is converted to kinetic energy when it travels downward. That kinetic energy is stolen from the wasted water and then given to the non-wasted water.

​@@Paralellex I didn't fully understand til I read your comment. Makes sense now!

Update: I’ve counted five so far!

Would the water evaporate or go outside the ladder if you left over time

Simple just have multiple setups and the waste water from one will fill the other, have the water run down a mill on the way and boom, power.

@@maryann2628 Evaporation uses energy - effectively solar.

@@adambrackston3471 The energy comes from the difference between the water falling to the ground and the water being lifted. Multiple setups just uses more water.

If you're going to add another pump, be it manual or powered, you might as well use that pump to begin with. Trying to use two of these together in a perpetual loop system won't work. The efficient way to use this system is to source it from a river where the waste goes back into a lower part of the river, diverting some water to crops or whatever you're using it for. That "wasted" water isn't really lost, it's just not yours to keep away from the gravity that drove the machine.

Social consensus about physics aren't actually the laws of physics...

@@comiomano4163 there's always the crazy ones

@@comiomano4163 Describe to me the cosmos? Shape of the Earth, its location with the Sun, etc.?

@@podolsh Yes, that's the way Nikola Tesla and Einstein were called by society on their times. The genius are always "crazy".

@@scottydu81 Why don't you describe me how moon can be seen full and with no light by afternoon and shining a lot only at night?

That still leaves some options for formulating a negative question, like "Will i fail to build a perpetual motion machine?" I'd say the answer is "it won't work".

Perpetual motion machines do exists.

@@TurinTuramber Show one, just one. I guarantee you we can find a flaw that makes it not be one.

@@Llortnerof The ISS, Voyager probes, the Earth....any object in motion as per Newton's first law.

@@TurinTuramber Nope. Not closed systems. Also not actually perpetual despite appearances. They slowly bleed energy, Earth just will get destroyed by other factors (like the Sun going red giant) long before that becomes an issue. The ISS would crash before long if we stop maintaining it, it's orbit decays at 2km/month. Something few realise, even deep space isn't truly empty. There's stray atoms at extremely low concentrations that will ultimately still cause things to slow down through drag or impact. It just happens at astronomical timescales

If you make a ram pump you'll be very lucky if it works first time because they're very fiddly to get going properly, but the plus side is that once they're set up they can run for years without any intervention at all except for cleaning. I set one up in 1991 and it's still working with all original parts.

@@mikekelly5869 I'm just wanting to set up a small scale version that makes it simple and easy to water everything but only requires "filling up" from one point... Likely the hardest part will be getting valves small enough to use that will still function!

@@iancowan3527 Best of luck with it. Little 15mm (1/2") brass check velves are cheap and they work well if you put them in short lengths of copper pipe and then use bushings to connect the copper to plastic.

@@mikekelly5869 Wouldn't by chance have a part number to pass ago???

@@iancowan3527 What country are you in? There are different manufacturers in different places but the valves are more or less the same. I can look one up for you if I know your location (just a country should be OK)

Exactly. You can even see it in a real ram pump set up on a river. Same thing, the pipes will vibrate every time the waste valve cycles closed. And if you set up the pump and didn't secure the pipes then it will allow it to vibrate too much and you lose that energy into moving the pipes all over hell. Securing the pipes in the setup will give you more energy into pumping water instead of slapping pipes all over the ground and rocks.

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How does the pipe move in the first place to make it bang into the wall stud or bracket? The pipe expands in length,(straightens) then contracts, allowing the pipe to flex, his explanation stands correct. 30 yrs working with hydraulic lifts.

@@nssherlock4547 this 👏🏻🙌🏻

@@nssherlock4547 No. He's talking about the pipe shifting because of the force of the water, not "expansion and contraction". It can eliminated by removing any angles over 45 degrees or manipulating the direction of flow.

I'm working on something just like this. Rainwater catchment tanks running to a ram pump to move the water to top of a gutter which then goes back into the rain catchment tanks. If and when I figure that out I will add in a waterwheel/flywheel to spin alternator/generator 24/7 which will then charge batteries. 👍🍀🇺🇲

@@Rizik1986 You'll have to share this when you get it working 🙂 I'm in Ireland so we have no shortage of rain here 🙄🤣

@@raynbow6 Absolutely will do my friend! I have set up rainwater catchment barrels already. I'm gonna build a ram pump very soon. I'm working on homesteading. So it's vital I get this sorted and working!

Exactly. He should have taken the time to invent something. It's sad. So lazy.

@@jermsbestfriend9296 then you should invent something :) you are the one sitting on RU-vid do not judge this man, judge yourself.

@@rhayeplaysvr I dabble.

Thanks for the input. I agree that the main component in the equations is the velocity since we are dealing with kinetic energy. And the banging sound is more from the sound of the pipes wiggling around than the pressure wave. But you can't really talk about why water hammer happens without a pressure wave.

@@TheActionLab err...you are splitting two things up when you shouldn't. the pressure wave occurs within the fluid due to the sudden stop in pressure with no place for it to go..no relief. they shouldn't be treated as two different phenomena. they have pressure regulators and stuff you can install to keep this from happening. should be no more than 55 to 60 psi in regular household plumbing

@@TheActionLab Np, maybe I'm over complicating the explanation... Basically, water hammer and it's bang is a product of the velocity of a fluid in a pipe going from *some amount* to 0, which in turn is a product of the pressure difference between 2 inputs/outputs! :D I just got very caught up on the wording of the, (and I'm paraphrasing here): "-the bang comes because of the pipes expanding/contracting", when that really isn't the case (except for in extreme cases)! What you say about how water hammer occurs and works etc seems totally right! :D

John Whitehurst from Congleton in Cheshire invented a "pulser pump" in 1772. Modern ram pumps use the same principals but different materials and configurations.

Possibly yes. A caveat with that system is if the valves were in line serially, their motions would probably break each other's cycle. If they were in parallel lines, you might have hope of timing them together to prevent backflow. Perhaps with a really controlled setup, you could get continuous flow in the way multiple pistons turn an engine's output. I'd expect it to be finicky at best, with very limited returns for each added tube contributing to one flow. One line should lead to the smoothest operation and the most transfer without having a lot of help on timing. An array of entirely separate lines, or just one bigger setup start to finish would probably be many times easier to set up than diverting the input water and bringing it back together.

You shut your mouff right now

Assuming you have some sort of a river or spring, necessary for this to be of any practical use, you'd get more energy directly from the river.

and on the way down, passes a hydro generator for power

@@CrAzZyTheCodingBoss That would reduce the fluids momentum, and offset somewhere else.

​@@CrAzZyTheCodingBoss That is what I'm working on 👍🍀🇺🇲

@@Rizik1986 Same am working on we need a colabo ✌️ Just call it an indirect dam. So you don't need all the special license that goes with the dam you just return the water back to the original source without affecting the water Imagine you invest in a massive tank with low rpm magnetic alternator like 120rpm. So the pump speed into the massive reservoir equals the exit speed. Bingo you good. A mobile Dam 👍

@@onekycarscanners6002 Hmm this might be just the ticket to make this happen! I been stumped last few weeks trying to figure out the next move. I wanted to use a water ram pump but it simply won't move enough water for what I'm trying to do. An alt with a small pump could work I suppose.

Nothing is free energy, but the flowing water like in a river is already flowing down under the force of gravity. But humans can take some of that energy and use it to push a smaller amount of water uphill. It never was free energy.

You can't because the waste water comes out at a lower point than the bucket. You can't get it up without any external force. That's why perpetual machines are physically impossible.

It would keep going. Like when he put more water in from the mains hose. If you put it back by hand, the action of you lifting that water UP to the bucket would charge up the system to keep going.

Hmm.. well he basically explained this at the end of the video, how sensitive this setup is, especially the calibration of the pressure on the waste valve. Which would increase if you start to stack up the waste water in a pipe towards the bucket, until it just stops pretty much like the very first showcase.

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Not possible when thermodynamics is its archenemy. Like all physics laws, they're a buzzkill towards any ideas.

Alright nice have a good day

Good👏 and trust me once you turn 14, you will understand many things with greater clarity

I'm 96 and so do I

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