Can a KoTOR TV Show work? 

I'd rather watch a TV show about Mandalorian Wars, it'd be infinitely easier to adapt it for episodic format

I think a better route would be a Mandalorain Wars show. It gives the creatives more freedom to tell the story without dealing with the headache of adapting the games. We can still have a Kreia cameo in there somewhere. The problem with direct adaptations of the games is that streaming in general is hostile to storytelling that isn't in the form of 8 hour movies. So you either get shows that will be unfished before getting cancelled or shows that will rush their story and ignore certain characters to fit the runtime. Any Adaptation of the games needs to be told in a long, episodic format to succeed.

Only of Chris Avallone writes it (haven’t watched video yet so I might regret this comment)

not from disney

I would prefer a show or a movie in the same era of kotor 1 and 2 but telling story with different character, what I mean is we going through someone else perspective about the events of mandalorian war and the jedi civil war telling what actually happened in the republic, how the people in the galaxy have a various amount of opinion about revan, rather than make an adaptation of revan the exile and rest of the gang that would be impossible

With Disney's writing of late? Hell nah. If it had the writers for S1 of Andor then maybe it could work

So long as Disney is in charge, it will never work.

Title: "Can a KOTOR TV show work?" Kevin Smets: "I came in like a wrecking ball!"

What i think would likely happen for the canon ending for meetra suruk and revan is that revan would end on a darkside run while meetra suruk would end on a lightside run, but since kreia has lots of good things to say, they would try to get kreia to talk about the lesson of strength; even if she is talking to a light side meetra suruk edit: i would look cool to see Both Kotor games in a clone wars/bad batch animation style

Okay after watching the video I agree with you. Due to time and budget restrictions they wouldn’t be able to do either Kotor 1 or 2 justice for what it is. Additionally I do not want Disney involved with ANYTHING from my Kotor 1 or 2. I can already feel their influence in the new expansions from SWTOR :I just mainly play it because it’s a fun MMO world of Warcraft copy with a Star Wars theme to it:

Do the decision making officers that hold ownership of the IP understand Kotor? Does the institution that hold ownership of the IP have a structure that aides understanding? In the simplest terms the answers can be; yes, yes. yes, no. no, yes. no, no. What would each of these answers do to any effort to create a Kotor project? Caution seems wise. There are few who have proven as worthy as you to bear the torch for Kotor. Caution seems wise when someone else holding the torch might not understand. Bloom's revised taxonomy comes to mind. . . I think I have one more Kotor2 video to make.

It'd have to have HBO level production/shareholder patience to make it work. Probably 5 or 6 season mini series with whatever episode runtime they want.

TV Show about Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil War can work, but not from Disney. KOTOR 2 TV show can also work, I think it does work well within episodes of certain locations: 1. Pergaus 2. Telos 3. Telos 2 4. Dantooine 5. Nar Shaddaa 6. Dxun 7. Onderon 8. Korriban 9. Dxun 10. Dantooine\Telos 11. Ravager\Malachor

I really hope Disney does not touch the Old Republic era. It's fine as it is. :I

I want a show that takes place during the mandalorian wars and the start of the Jedi civil war that sets up the story for kotor and kotor 2.

it could be possible in a 2d animated series like castlevsnia with longer episodes and more of them per season. It also needs filler episodes for us to spend time with the characters. the first season also needs to be mostly set in taris.

No matter what they do, I guarantee it will not satisfy people like us. Plus the problem of turning video games into TV shows and movies. It's difficult, and fans of the games are usually disappointed.

they have to adapt kotor 1 as a trilogy of films, proper star wars style and could easily show everything. That or some standalone thing set in the mandalorian wars and later jedi civil war, with some recurring main characters like Saul Karath, perhaps even Carth?

lol Hedlund directing the greatest written story in video game history that sits with Majora's Mask as some of best writing across all mediums.

With Disney leading the charge and after how bad The Acolyte is? No way should they make a KOTOR show. If anything, it's best Disney stay away from the Old Republic/KOTOR series because they don't understand it at all and would make far too much awful changes. Not to mention put the wrong people in charge over who to make it for.

Here's an idea: why not adapting the COMIC BOOK instead?? You'd get a similar story in a similar environment but without the limitations of a videogame narrative. I could see it.

I think it can only work as an animated series. I feel like too many things can go wrong with live action this day and age. Maybe get someone who directed the DC animated movies. They can make good dark theme movies with accurate characters (except Hal Jordan)

I think the first game is actually a worse candidate for adapting, the whole point (imo) is that the twist happens to you, the player character. I don't think it works at all in a non-video game medium

Make it traditionally animated, Make it an anthology about different characters and folks before, during, and after the KotOR duology of games. Think the ultimate fates of KotOR I and II companions like Juhani and Atton respectively, alongside some bad**s and unfortunate bystanders in the likes of Taris and Katarr. Have it, possibly in separate seasons, be set in different worldlines dependent on whether or not the Revan/Exile of said worldlines was fully Light Sided, Dark Sided, or the all-too-uncommon in-between. Make it fit in-universe as a series of skewered ancient records from the Galactic Triumvirate of the Legacy era of Legends is trying to fix things up upon, and... *Make ambiguously subtle connections with a Multiverse and perceived undercover operatives. If said anthology ends up really great, then almost no one will mind certain characters* (say, a Kyle Katarn-esque Jedi commando with an overpowered penchant for Force Speed and unnatural foresight, a TIE Defender/X-83 Twintail fighter pilot ace who's equal to Keyan Farlander and Maarek Stele, and a motherkriffing down-to-galaxy Celestial gaslighting as a supreme commander to the organization of the aforementioned two) *suddenly appearing in, say, a Gravity Falls/Amphibia/The Owl House crossover sequel saga, because their successes in the Legends-verse prompts their actual superiors to other worlds that need their tried and tested assistance as guardians of stability and dutiful soldiers fighting against increasing entropy.* (If not successful, well, let's just say the operatives are deemed as failures and are officially retired, and thus replaced by far more successful and memorable newblood.) Addendum: Make sure Drew Karpyshyn isn't involved, true.

I'll speak for the second one. There are so many iconic lines and creative writing decisions that to excise them would feel like a lesser product. I think a good writer who could meticulously figure out where to put all of the companion dialogue but it would need them to hire good talent and probably allow some time for the script to bake. Disney's production pipeline doesn't seem to allow for both.

Can a KoTOR TV Show work? -Not if it's Disney. Next question

KOTOR 1? Maybe since its a fairly straight forward star wars story, albeit with a pretty cool twist. KOTOR 2 though? Hell no, I don't trust any studio to pull of a KOTOR 2 TV show, beside, Bioware would nix any KOTOR 2 project anyway since that game's events don't fit into TOR's timeline. Overall though I'd prefer Star Wars change hands and no longer be run by Disney before they attempt any such tv series.

No. Leave it alone.

no no no no no no, please don't touch kotor.

they’d need to change the story entirely for it to work. the main story isn’t something i particularly want to see adapted anyway. the redemption thing is so played out in star wars. maybe a series focusing on revan’s time as a sith and flashbacks of kreia’s teachings or something

I'll only accept a Kotor film/tv show if all the fight scenes have the actors reuse the exact same "animations" in every single one, to be as faithful as possible, and because it's funny. Also the MC should always be running a stealth build.

I don't want Disney going anywhere near KOTOR / Old-Republic Era

One of my biggest issues with this concept (and one that I have with swtor) is that it would canonize an exact canon “play through” of both games. While it doesn’t rip the role playing aspect out of the game itself, I personally feel like it may remove the appeal for a lot of people, especially if their vision of Revan and the Exile differ from what is portrayed. The stories work best as games and I believe that they should stay that way. Even setting that aside, so much would be lost in an adaptation to the point where it wouldn’t feel like Kotor anymore.

if disney touches this or even sniffs it. we are done.

If Disney really made a KOTOR Live Action Series? Would you prefer same KOTOR game story or different story?

Maybe in 50 years.

I don't think Lucasfilm will ever let someone do a Kotor show. Why waste resources on something that isn't part of their canon?

needs to be like 30 45min episodes

Yeah, I think stories about great Jedi / Sith could work. Kraya tells a lot of these and it was behind the scenes. But this stuff is veery heavy for wide audiences. I don't know how to pack tons of philosophy into it and keep it popular. Kinda elitist yeah, but that's quite a challenge.

Not in today's climate. I'm doing being excited for shit lmao.

Leslie...Stay away from Kotor and stay away from Kreia

May the Force be with you. Always.

No they will fuck it up

Live action would never do this justice

The mintue you tolf me headland is a kreia fan I knew we are kotor stans were screwed. ****Do NOT******* put one of the greatest fictional characters in THAT woman’s hands. Also does this mean the kotor remaster would be legends canon?

A show or movie adaptation could not meaningfully contribute to the legacy KoTOR. Especially under the current administration. The mismanagement of the sequel trilogy and the recent shows (except for Andor) should be evidence enough of that.

they can remove all the good stuff and replace it with trash, trust me. hoping im wrong.

Your point abot newer SW fans is really true, I doubt the Old Republic era would gain any momentum back. Even the Hight Republic hasnt reached its peak yet

No! Bad idea! No!

No

Its funny. You guys have been so drained of bad live-action series that you lot think that the fallout TV series is "good" when it is mediocre at best. Now replace the words "you" with "people" as I am talking from a general perspective. I find that these days I have to spoon-feed every little detail into what I mean to the comments these days just so people can read proper English. Now that's out the way. Any live-action series will be fundamentally shit because it has to rely on fan expectations from the original and combination of modern day culture which is always ever changing - causing more polarisation. The more directors realise that they should separate one from another, the better.

They'd screw it up its unadaptable like berserk

Even if the old republic was to be put into cannon, there would he HEAVY changes to the lore. It's been established in the high republic that hyperspace travel into the outer rim was made during the high republic era. Some of the planets that we visit in KOTOR are either in the outer rim or are on the border to the rim. So either planets would need to be changed, the location of them, or Disney says, " eh whats one more screw up in the continuity that we promised was going to be streamlined and not confusing."

As a massive Kotor fan, I am so glad Disney has not touched it!

No. It will definitely not work. Especially with Disney in charge of it. They'll screw it up so badly,it won't even be recognizable. I can see it now. "Kotor TV show/movie flops. Kotor is dead." Or at least the live action thing is dead.

Hot take: Juhani is mid. She can get excluded if needed. Doesn't add much to the overall main story imo

If we get a KOTOR series either shows or movies, all I know is that we need Dave Filoni to help out. So far, the man has been giving what is Star Wars fans want in the community, and the most trustworthy on what to do with the brand. Plus, he was working with George to bring Revan in the clone wars series, but couldn’t since it couldn’t work because the Son was already a god like being, and having two Sith Lords of Bane and Revan influencing him, didn’t make sense in the narrative of things. So knowing the man was onboard to bring Revan to the series is a good sign to me, and that he should be the guy to help out with this idea.

Your points about the length of the story got me thinking that a book would be the best non-interactive adaption of at least Kotor 1. Novels pack more story than movies do, so one can more easily fit all the important storylines and characters. Having a lot of dialog isn't as jarring as the entire thing is in next anyways. Detailed descriptions of the environments can also immerse the reader to the same degree as traveling through the said environment would for a player. Also there's the fact that Kotor book adaptions already exist in the form of fanfiction. I think Star Wars prose in general is underappreciated. The Force paticularly is something that is as much or even more in the mental realm than the physical one. Detection of other Force Users, Force Nexuses and far-away usages of Force Powers, telepathy, Force bonds and falling to the Dark Side are all things that happen more on the mental level, and as such are easier to depict and more immersive in prose form than in a visual form. Prose also allows depiction of more fantastical Force Powers and environments that would need a lot of CGI in a live-action format. Also Sith tombs and other places that introduce Force Visions are more unpredictable since the reader has no way of knowing what part is hallucination and what part real. This makes me ask; have you ever read Star Wars prose? Because there are a lot of stories that haven't been told in other mediums (although many novels have comic book adaptions).

No. Never. By Emperor's Vitiate Black Heart No no and No. The Old Republic Eras and Empires of Old should remain in game and "beyond disnep canon". Not under disnep whims.

Disney/LucasFilm better not even try. Because it would be a disaster. Just like everything else Disney/LucasFilm has vomited out in recent years.

Just go watch Darth Varkor or Smash City Studio KOTOR movies!! They’re vastly better than most if not all of Disney’s recent products

0:51 Disney has made a grand total of two things I've loved with Andor and the Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order games, the former of which is from a guy (Tony Gilroy) who has stated that after Andor he's done with Star Wars, and the latter of which are video games, and not a movie or a show, and not made by Disney which this will have to be.

Just Say NO!!!!

Disney: It can work if Revan is a female.

Sooner or later it will happen whether we like it or not because of one thing. "It's all about the money!" 🤑

please god no

I actually think KoToR 2 is closer to being adaptable to a 10 episode series than the original game, and I think it could be made to stand on its own without a KoToR 1 TV show. The idea of a lost war veteran discovering a "found family" of people damaged by the conflict she chose to participate in years ago is a really strong overarching framework for story purposes and is full of characters who can be written in interesting and complex ways. I agree that Kreia would be a challenge-I'm not sure I'd ever accept that any voice other than Sara Kestelman as truly being Kreia.

First season adapts KOTOR1. Second adapts KOTOR2.

I feel like fans don’t really understand that an adaptation doesn’t need to copy the original plot beat for beat. Yeah it would be nice to get the most amount of characterization from side characters and world building but that’s not how most adaptations work. Tv and film need to play to their strengths. What a kotor adaptation should aim to do first and foremost is get people invested in a new era of sw, be entertaining while keeping the exo-skeleton of the narrative of the game, and open the doors wide for new stories or expansions in that era. sw desperately needs more refreshing stories outside the current era. The acolyte is a good step forward and this could be great.

NOOO GOD!...NO GOD PLEASE NO!...NO!...NO!...NOOOOOO

Fundamentally i don't see why kotor couldn't be done. It's a pretty straightforward story and the core themes are fairly well trodden ground narratively. Kotor 2 is a bit more interesting and obviously plays around more with the conceptual understanding of the force. There's a tendency in the fandom to be overawed by kreia, again she's a fairly broad archtype so personally i think the challenge would lie in how it would narratively approach the ripples in the force. This is something the video games gets away with and handwaves with dialogue about our mary sue exile but a film adaptation would probably need something tangible.

You're thinking too small. One season alone could be 10 episodes. Episode 1: Endar Spire. Episodes 2, 3, 4, 5 - Taris. Episode 6 7 and 8 - Dantooine/Jedi training. Episode 9 and 10 - Tatooine. Or, hear me out, Sleheyron replacing Tatooine. Just make up new stuff and plop HK-47 there to be picked up. Sleheyron was supposed to be in the game but never saw the light of day. Tatooine has become oversaturated by the newer shows, and they even did the Krayt dragon hunt in The Mandalorian. Now I would love the HK-47 negotiation peace with the Tuskens and Tuskens telling us lore about how Tatooine was a garden until the Rakata bombed it...but people would complain its too much like the other shows that have had way too much Tatooine. Regardless, I think a KOTOR TV show could work but it would never please everyone, and it would definitely leave stuff on the chopping block. Mission meeting her brother would fall by the wayside for me, but I would still have her be prominent in at least season one. People also seem to think there can't be "side quests" - just offshore some of those to the side characters to keep them involved. Case and point, have Mission, Zaalbar, and T3-M4 be the ones the deal with Sasha (the stowaway) in a character arc for them. This is all just me spitballing ideas but the notion that a show couldn't work I think is misguided. KOTOR 2 would be harder to adapt and it would definitely be a show where people mostly talk and wax poetic. Now I'd be down for that, but I don't think most of the fanbase would be unless the first couple seasons knocked the first game out of the park and had them hooked.

No.

Better question: can Disney write a good Star Wars TV show?

Not with Headland. She turns everything into lesbian fanfiction.

Yeah it can, but not from these pop culture terrorists

Not from Hollywood Make fan films from legit fans

KOTOR and by extension SWTOR need to be promoted/bought by Disney.

Yes, but the toxic people will still cry about it because of Bastila Shan, Meetra Surki and Keira being the leads.

i dont want a kotor adaptation and I definitely dont want it in this era of loud manchildren complaining about wokeness in star wars. I WOULD be down for KOTOR 3 whether sequentially or spiritually within the new canon as a show. I just really wanna see some of the lessons from KOTOR 2 be actualised for once, it is a blight upon this franchise that it produced the most thorough deconstruction of itself 20 years ago and learnt nothing from it.

Someone creative would be able to do it in a movie and or a series. Just because you can't think of a way that it would work doesn't mean that it is a bad idea. Get over yourself. Seriously. 😂

No

No.