Can a Magic Deck Beat a Hearthstone Deck? 

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Thoralf really said warlock hero power is the worst, but it's usually considered the best one.

I think a creatureless combo deck has the best odds against a hearthstone deck.

"Your brain works random enough" Aww, what a lovely insult lol

The pivot to a deck with Starfish to deal with Carl's Indestructible gameplan was a 5head move.

I really, REALLY want more of this content as someone who plays both games. This was awesome.

Long-time Hearthstone player here, warlock hero power is widely considered the best hero power, I have no idea why Thoralf said it was the worst

Losing armor counts as taking damage Thoralf! Silly silly...

Nobody's talking about how they have an entire Hearthstone deck in real life on paper cards and didn't even call attention to it

Minus a few inaccuracies when dealing with hearthstone, this has been one of my favorite videos from this channel in a long time! I wouldn't mind a sequel at all!

damage to your hero through armor counts towards the quest @18:30

Imagine trying this with Yugioh and realizing your opponent has 8000 life

I think you could actually make a semi-fair format out of MtG vs HS with just a little setting of base rules. 1) MtG cards that refer to "color" refer instead to class cards. Druid or Hunter = Green, Mage or Shaman = Blue, Priest or Paladin = White, Warlock, Rogue, or Death Knight = Black, Warrior = Red, and Demon Hunter could be put where ever you want based on if you want to count physical color or philosophy more. Neutral cards are colorless, as established. 2) Equivalencies must be established. Weapons are Artifact - Equipments and vice versa. HS Spells are Sorceries, while magic Instants and Sorceries are HS Spells. Minions and Creatures are synonymous terms. Maybe Secrets and Locations are Enchantments and vice versa, an Enchantment can be treated as a Secret or as a Location. 3) There are a handful of keywords based on the attacking/targetting/blocking procedures of both games, which would need reworked if the other game's targeting rules are used. To be honest, I think either system could work. - 3A: If both players use MtG style attacks, attacks are declared all at once and the defender chooses blockers. The keywords Taunt and Rush would need reworked to stay relevant - Taunt could be converted to Reach without much issue. Rush could be a trigger, "when this enters the battlefield, it may fight target creature." IDK. - 3B: If both players use HS style attacks, then attacks can be declared at any time, one at a time, with targets chosen freely. The keywords Flying and Menace would need reworked to stay relevant as well as Unblockable which may or may not be a keyword, I forget. Unblockable could simply be "ignores taunt." Someone suggested that Flying should be "can't be targetted by attacks," but there are many options. Menace could be "once each turn, when this attacks and kills a creature, it can attack another creature." Trample could stay as is, but would be stronger than usual for it. Dunno. Messier in some ways than the Magic thing. - 3C: Each system could use its own targeting, but I dislike this option because it will essentially force the MtG player to abandon creature-based strategies. 4) A hearthstone player normally can't interact with the graveyard, or have their "graveyard" interacted with. I honestly don't know how to solve this one, other than making sure degenerate GY combos are impossible for the MtG player. 5) I think it's OK if MtG creatures heal at the end of every turn and the HS ones don't. HS creatures usually have more stats as a baseline, though not always. Similarly, most of the other asymmetries not mentioned seem fine. ...maybe that would still end up with MtG combo vs HS aggro, but it would at least help smooth things out. This isn't like YGO vs MtG though; I think this one has some potential.

This was a really fun idea - but I think it would have been better if you'd had an actual Heathstone player. Hearing Thoralf confidently describe Life Tap, the largely undisputed best hero power in the game, as "actually the worst" aged me XD

Funky, very interesting how these two games interact, now we gotta have a crossover with Rarran

I believe there's a small mistake at 3:34 with the Carving Chisel trigger where you actually CAN summon a basic totem already in play, unlike with the Shaman hero power. ETA: and 5:05

If Carl is gonna cheese and say "minions aren't creatures", then Thoralf should have answered that in hearthstone only SPELLS are SPELLS. Minions and equipaments are not creature spells... But they aren't non-creature SPELLS eighter hehe I think the hearthstone minions shouldn't be able to attack the FLYING creature. PS: Warlock hero power is considered by far the best one.

Him saying warlock hero power is "The worst" at 14:30 shows he has nnot been playing hearthstone long cause that hero power is one of the reasons warlock is often one of the best classes

This is cool as hell we should see what happens when Warhammer fights Lego

Genn Greymane LMAO Genn and Baku are how I knew Companions were going to be broken, even before they were all spoiled

Game 1: Hammer time! Game 2/3: Mono White Prison

As a massive fan of both Magic and Hearthstone I LOVE this!!! Idk who decided to do it but thanks and good job! Also Carl was in the video, so that automatically gets a like in my book

This was actually really interesting and clever! I liked the way you guys sideboarded/switched decks, the silence was a great touch!

Phrasing Hearthstone's opening three card opening hand as "a seven card hand, but four of the cards are lands," because of the consistent mana generation, is such a fascinating perspective. I love how Carl essentially recreated the old Bolf+Jailer combo by sacrificing the rest of his cards to give one creature the power to tank all the damage.

Finally we got the crossover! :)

Using the Hearthstone attack rules both ways didn't really feel fair, but you have to make judgment calls on these crossovers. Having different attacking rules would make the one using Hearthstone mode much powerful since they get to pick their targets. I wonder how it'd go if they both used Magic rules. That would also have the advantage of not making all evasion ability worthless.

This reminds me of the early games of my friend's Magic days, where we played his Pokemon deck against my Magic deck.

Starfish coming in to show why even if you are normally unstoppable or a God, doesn't mean you can't be robbed of your power by a cuddly sea life.

I like how they put the hearthstone cards in a card holding like the game, that was nice attention to detail

My brain had a stroke when you asked if people would buy hearthstone cards on cardmarket😂😂

The quest counts armour to also be damage that is why the 1 mana card is so good

Two things that I think probably should be considered for if you guys do this again, which you probably won't. 1. Minions don't count as non-creature spells because they aren't spells. 2. The rules being largely hearthstone dominated definitely gives a disadvantage to the magic deck. It may be a bit more complicated, but I think Hearthstone attacking into Magic needs to deal with Magic rules for blocking, while Magic gets the advantage of choosing who they attack in hearthstone, with flying, islandwalk, etc, all reading 'ignore taunt'

Thoralf mulliganning the stonewright in a totem deck hurt me.

This is a fun concept, would definitely like to see more of these.

I woud love for Thoralf to play Reno, Lone Ranger because it just straight up exiles all permanents your opponent controls lmao.

It brings me a lot of joy to see you guys having so much fun

This was actually really cool, I hope you guys will do more of these matches with different deck matchups

Would you guys ever be interested in doing a Magic vs Legends of Runeterra? It’d be fun to see some of the unique mechanics like Deep from that game

I love the tempo and energy. You just start the video, crack well put jokes and off we go ❤ That's how it should be done!

Loved this so much! Please make more of these crossover matches but reviewing the rules to make it more fair

This is such a wonderful video with such a nice and friendly atmosphere making both games look good. I would love to see even more of this type of content that lifts all boats. I’m almost tempted to reinstall hearthstone

Would have been funny to see cards like mind funeral or void mirror to take advantage of the fundamental rules of hearthstone. Or hearthstone cards like Peasant and Air Elemental that are just busted when you can’t attack creatures

since you played even shaman im suprised carl wasnt facing a bot

Excellent content as always - really enjoying these mashups and weird cross-game interactions!

this is such a cool concept. I would absolutely love to see more games with different decks

That was pretty close actually! I would love to see more hearthstone vs magic games, this kinda seems like a legit match up, rather than a memey but fun puzzle like the Magic vs Yu-gi-oh one.

at 3:12, Carl does not get to draw a card, as weapons are not spells in hearthstone At 11:20, Thoralf says there are no auras in Hearthstone, but there are auras in hearthstone

really cool concept, not gonna lie I popped off a little when I saw that smothering starfish come into play, what a draw! Would love to see more of this!

This was super sick! Interesting how the games are so different, yet similar enough that you can play them against each other semi-comprehensibly

Upon realization that Counterspell and Force Of Will are not a concern in Hearthstone, I want to see you guys do some busted legacy combo deck vs hearthstone and see how that goes.

14:22 the Warlock hero power is objectively the best one lmao

This was high effort and really well done. Congrats, Good job and GG.

This was, by far, the best video ever on this channel. Great job!

Crossover number 2. This is gonna be fun

Thoralf had actually made his homework! Even shaman is a tier 1 deck and Questline Warlock is a respectful strong deck right now (probably like tier 2). Both decks are from wild (the equivalent to legacy), but despite the starfish, neither deck was taylormaid to match the mtg decks, which surprised me how well they got around the Carl's shady workarounds

Shoutouts to the card market team always providing awesome content was very innovative and imaginative ideas

This was really cool! I enjoyed how you guys made rules to make the two games work together lol

I like teh concept but two different set of rules where - One side heals all damage naturally, and one stays.

I love these interesting matches against different card games. It is very interesting against OCGs like Hearthstone. Maybe Shadowverse in the future?

There are some phrasings that you could use to make Hearthstone conform with Magic nomenclature. For example: Minions (and Titans) are Creature Spells. Buffs are basically token creature enchantments (which can be removed by Silence effects). Locations, for namesake reasons and lack of interactability are lands which take up a board slot. Secrets and Sigils could be treated as enchantments. Spells are obviously sorceries. Combat basically works like: "The opposing player chooses the minions/creatures you block with, they have to choose creatures with taunt" Also because the graveyard barely matters for Hearthstone players, spell cards can just be treated as creature enchantments for display purposes. There are a bunch of other effects that can represented, like: Stealth being Hexproof, also applying to combat declaration "Elusive" (not really a keyword, but recurring), being Shroud

This is honestly such a creative and cool video Idea. I hope they do more of this

Cardmarket is one of my favorite channels so I often forget how I came here to begin with but this reminds me it all started with Carl doing can a magic deck beat a yugioh deck.

Damn this is the perfect kind of videos to get a collab with Rarran

I hope Carl knows that Thoralf's deck *popped off* in that first game, performing even better than that deck usually does, getting multiple lucky hits/draws in a row.

the stab at warlock for having the worst hero power feels weird, it used to be broken when there was a lot of self damage synergies and when warlock constantly played small stuff and just went face the full game without thinking of how much life you had.

They need both an MTG judge and a Hearthstone pro for this kind of videos just to solve stuff like the 3:12 saying a weapon is a spell, when in hearthstone spell generators can't create weapons, meaning they are not spells, just permanents

I ran paper hearthstone at Blizzcon one year for a pre-con event before it is suuuper interesting...love the video! I remember trying to figure out everything needed to represent the game state so this was a bit of a nostalgia trip. I still have the tokens I used for effects kicking around somewhere I think (I'll share a photo on Twitter if I do). There was maybe a few things I would of changed interaction wise but it's very tough when deciding how things work I'm sure. Super smart sideboards ;)

i always dread the hypotetical scenario of tracking heartston shenanigans on paper but holy cow i underestimated the commitment required

0:06 No I would not buy heartstone cards from cardmarket. I would buy some Sorcery cards though.

This was a fun idea and was executed well, I'd love to see more card games pitted against each other like this.

I love this idea. Please do more of this

I'd like to see this again with the MTG player having a more basic deck to better see how the core mechanics interact. The attacking rules would end up being a lot more meaningful that way, e.g. if the Hearthstone player attacks face the MTG player would have the option to block, while if the MTG player attacks face the Hearthstone player can't block, so playing a more creature focused MTG deck would really change the dynamic. And, as Carl mentioned, there aren't instants in Hearthstone, so playing a more instant-heavy MTG deck would also make interactions more interesting.

Hearthstone decks are 30 cards. Should be easy to kill with a mill deck.

This was super interesting to see the two different games clash together

Really fantastic quality in this video on top of a really fun idea, hope to see more like this! I would say the best decks of each game in their entire history VS one another but im afraid the HS deck would lose before they got to even play

this Hearthstone player seems great, he should try MTG

Best pauper deck when?😢

Thoralf really went and pulled out Even Shaman and Seedlock on you. Brutal.

so the format is fun and i really love it as an loving hearthstone player its cool to see

Now we need Pokemon

11:20, there are auras in Hearthstone. They are usually from creatures, like "Tundra Rhino", "All friendly beasts gain charge" is its aura. There are also other permanent auras like "Barnabus" 's battlecry, "All minions you summon cost (0) for the rest of the game". Lastly, there are auras that you cast, which effect your boardstate, like a card from Fractured in Alterac Valley, "Dun Baldar Bridge", which is "After you summon a minion, give it +2/+2. Lasts 3 turns". So there are many different types of auras

I don't know if someone noticed, but Thoralf's reference to Warcraft 3 was hilarious. For those who didn't notice, it's the last thing he says and it's a reference to Demon Hunter and Dreadlord funny voicelines

I actually a hearthstone player and I LOVE to see more of the content like this

I dare you to try and win against a vanguard deck. It will be very interesting to see how you overcome the total power of vanguard since the unit is the player. No card in magic can hit a unit hard so maybe mulligan strategies may be the play

The weakest yugioh deck would demolish these

You should try this again, but with Thoralf on Shudderwock

I started having flashbacks as soon as Genn was revealed and Thoralf was playing Shaman

15:55 Ornithopter has flying

This makes me want to see a Magic deck go up against a Pokemon deck just because of how silly the gap in damage and HP values would be and the fact the Pokemon player could win by simply killing six of your creatures while you can only win by either milling their library or killing ALL of their Pokemon.

This is really fun, hope to see more

this is my favourite series of M:tG comparisons.

Everyone gangsta until Yu-Gi-Oh player arrivee

Why don't you invite someone who understands how hearthstone mechanics work and actually counts the quest progress

Okay I just got this recommended to me on my feed and now it's my favorite card game video ever 😂

I think an interesting fight would be between Magic and Legends of Runeterra, they both have similar gameflow. Both games have different speeds of spells, assigning blockers and equipment, which I feel would even the playing field a little bit more. Some keywords just couldn't be played, like Lurk that have a hard time being emulated in an physical card game, but I think It would still be interesting to look into.

Fun video! And you put in so much work to make it look like hearthstone! Very cool!

Would LOVE to see a yugioh OTK against magic Hearthstone just to see how it interacts

I play wild Hearthstone and the moment I saw Thoralf reveal Genn Greymane I began to fear for Carl's safety.

As a fan of both MTG and hearthstone I really loved that vide. You rock guys! I just want to point something for the viewers that have not played hearthstone during that period - the warlock deck Thoralf played in the last game was actually really oppressive to the meta so the inital quest got nerfed twice, it originally required the player to take 6 damage to progress to the next phase rather than 10. Also the final rewarda is a creature that basically makes it so until the end of the game any damage the warlock takes on their turn is instead dealt to the opponent. If that was the version played in the video, Carl would have been defeated much faster.

I forgot that managing your previously dead creatures was so important. Bad flashbacks to the Priest Spellstone reanimator deck 😬