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In this video I starting the review for 2 REL Acoustics Subwoofers testing them in different ways.
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@dannykl6883 5 лет назад

Many years ago I owned a Rel Storm sub. The difference it made to the sound of my speakers was incredible ... from the bottom to the top of the frequency range the sound was altogether richer with more depth, air and realism. Richard Lord used to call it “the Rel effect”it was definitely a thing, and not just placebo.

@MrCyberSlacker 3 года назад

I bought the Kef LS50 Wireless II. I was disappointed with the overall listening experience. I added an old sub from my surround sound WOW!!! The speakers came to life. I plan on buying 2 REL HT/1003 Subwoofers, one for each speaker. Subs make all the difference.

@wilsonwei6491 Год назад

“A New England” is a great pick demonstrating the improvement, wondering what version the song is, it is not really Billy Gragg’s?

@67daltonknox 5 лет назад

I got a REL Stentor over 20 years ago. Yes it improved my Maggies no end, but the surprising thing is the improvement in unexpected ways. A soprano voice for instance sounds much better, so does a flute. You might not think that there is any bass energy for either, but turn the sub off and you notice its absence right away.

@nespressoman 5 лет назад

A great example is Art Garfunkel's recording of "Someone to watch over me". It starts with an acoustic guitar that makes the sub work like crazy.

@robertbaird7001 5 лет назад

@@nespressoman A acoustic guitar has a lower frequency of 80 htz so that would explain why and why bass is so important to how things sound as it present more than we think it is. A piano can go down to 27 htz and you would not associate piano music with bass.

@RobWhittlestone 3 года назад

I went to a demo of Townshend supertweeters which go up to 90 kHz. I took my wife along & some CDs we know. The shopowner did the A/B test a few times on different pieces. Then my wife said, "you have to buy the supertweeters" It was clear as day & night - without: dull & lifeless - with: airy and fills the room. So I guess we have a similar phenomenon. I'm considering a pair of REL T7i's. Your A/B demo was very clear to me, but I've trained my ears for 50 years now... All the best, Rob

@John-hl6er 4 года назад

This is such an interesting topic. I had a home demo of the Rel S3 SHO, Rl T9i and compared it to my monitor audio silver series sub. In the end I chose the Rel S3 SHO and the reasoning for this was because of the benefit to the midrange from my b&w CM series speakers. It was subtle but very much there. Vocals just sounded like they had more presence and were more life like. One of my observations of this pheromone was that the effect was moat pronounced in live recordings (such as concerts) and movies. In both these cases I imagine there are greater sub-harmonics which add to the realism as opposed to a lot of studio recorded material which has been recorded in a relatively acoustical treaters / dead room and then in some cases had low frequency information cut.

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

Nice comments John thanks

@eggyolk6313 3 года назад

I've attempted this myself and yes it's fills in a slight gap unfortunately it's impressively difficult to capture through this video but yes especially with front firing subwoofers.

@deadpeoplestuff5686 4 года назад

wow - didn't expect to hear too much difference (on you-tube) but it's quite marked - even greater gains with near-field desktops; thanks Tel

@flyingvking1983 4 года назад

Thanks for a superb A-B test, I've managed to convince folk with this video, good work- subscribed

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

Thanks for subbing, really appreciate it

@fjack1588 4 года назад

Wow! Remarkable. This is what I was expecting (hoping) to hear if the sub woofer was really doing its job in supporting mid range and treble. The unsupported track sounds choked compared to the supported; the sub actually "liberates" the true sound. Stellar. Thank you much for the demo! Now, the problem what to do with my poor little mini system Onkyo CS-N755 here in Puerto Vallarta. The worst sound is with flute and recorder when streaming my Otto´s Baroque. Goes to hell like a cheap system. Not so bad in CD and FM radio modes, but the system could use some help. Not in bass really, but in mid range and treble support. But what sub to get in a lower price range, as the little system does not warrant investing too much. Maybe I am asking for too much. But I have heard good sound from an inexpensive system, such as that I have in the US (a Sherwood receiver and Polk towers), so improvement may not be impossible.

@gdwlaw5549 3 года назад

Small room:my new REL 5ti literally transformed my hi-fi system wired up to loudspeaker terminals! 3D, deep and firm bass. Foot tapping stuff and no more boom with my previous Klipsch SW.

@westensanchez9483 10 месяцев назад

I could hear the difference on my phone. Nice. Who's singing on the first track? His voice is amazing.

@kamilunluturk8022 5 лет назад

I percepted less sibilance and more effortless mid-highs with subs on.

@FabianEason 4 года назад

Lovely opera music :)

@googoo-gjoob 4 года назад

i perceived a larger variance during the A/Bing of the 1st song...less during the 2nd. during the 2nd the difference was occasionally indiscernible.

@malakiy8688 4 года назад

Dual subs bro helps with those room modes and further enhances the frequency spectrum

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

It can do, it doesn't in this room you need 3 subs in this room for that. I have just installed a second 1508 so will be interesting to see how much impactful bass I can get from a pair of these - I am expecting a lot!!

@Birmingham_racing 10 месяцев назад

I've got the 1205 it definitely helps

@caruby6969 5 лет назад

Can you clarify what the test recording was? A stunning piece. Thanks in advance.

@MastaPasta 4 года назад

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@peterjasz2876 4 года назад

It matters NOT, the recording quality; all/any recorded music's sound is greatly enhanced by extended, accurate and articulate low-frequency reproduction. pj

@bigjay1970 5 лет назад

Sub sure makes a good difference!🤔😬. With rock music, AC/DC it might hurt things as things get louder but with the music examples heard it sure was better with subs! I usually don’t like subs as well. Every time I go into a demo room I have them turn off the subs because they usually muddy things up! Not in this example. You have the volume of the sub set just right.😉

@PursuitPerfectSystem 5 лет назад

It wasn't me, I didn't set it up - REL did. However I am confident I can go a lot better than this in terms of integration - that will be the journey and then end result - I think it will be interesting

@tunic7794 5 лет назад

at the start of the demo the mid range from these speakers is drowning out the treble sound so this means these speaker treble sound isn't good

@martinakala4661 2 года назад

Only RELs do that magic

@Larstig81 3 года назад

About this subject I remember a piece about a member of the Athens Audiophile Club. He had huge Wilson Audio speakers which didn't needed a sub. But he ordered a very big subwoofer from the same brand and the reviewer said that with the sub violins has more body. Crazy. 😄 Maybe it is still on the internet, it is fun to see and read.

@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 лет назад

i can honestly say this is the first time I've heard no difference in a RU-vid comparison video.

@NathanOakley1980 3 года назад

carlos oliveira mics don’t lie. There *is no difference* in the high end and mids! Just use an RTA and it will show your frequency response has...... more bass, shocking eh 🤦‍♂️

@matthewyih3302 3 года назад

Well you need to reproduce the low end to hear what he's talking about not just looking at FR

@drs-Rigo-Reus 3 года назад

IT is clear with headphones. More air.......

@thelonepainter4760 4 года назад

The high mid level connections on my sub is for speakers??? Can you connect both methods low levels via RCA and mid levels via speaker wire??????

@CeeStyleDj 4 года назад

I'm wondering this as well. Unfortunately you haven't received an answer yet :-( LOL

@marcusm5127 4 года назад

I am not sure I understand your question but yes you can connect with either high level or low level. High level meaning parallel to the main speakers and low level meaning rca. I don't think they can be connected at the same times.

@thelonepainter4760 4 года назад

@@marcusm5127 ok, but when I connect to high level. The bass isn't as deep, but when I connect via rca it's really deep. Should I just use rca??

@marcusm5127 4 года назад

@@thelonepainter4760 I don't know it shouldn't be much difference at all. High level should ve more colored sound if your power amplifier is colored. Does your amp have a infrasonic filter enabled? I don't know it seems weird. Hope you get it working great.

@ac81017 4 года назад

I can clearly hear the difference. Problem for me at the moment is choosing between a pair of T9i of a single S/510. 2 subs are better than one. I would like the hear the difference between a pair of T9i and a single s/510.

@KE-1976 3 года назад

Hi William, I am too contemplating the same, should I get a pair of T9i / T7i or a single S510. Hope you made a decision and any update on the same will help. Thank you.

@chriscuthbertson 4 года назад

If the mains are high passed then that should help with the mid range as it will remove some of the low frequencies from them so allowing faster and more accurate cone movement.

@xzing7 2 года назад

The rel doesn't remove anything out of the signal chain.

@xMoac 4 года назад

Purchase advice: Rel S3 SHO vs Rel T7i/Kef kube 10b/12b? I found a seller that would sell the Rel S3 SHO (almost new) for half price (900 euro) , so the same price as the 12b since he is upgrading to a larger set. I am using Kef LSX speakers. Which would you recommend? Can a subwoofer be ‘too big’ for the speakers? The thought process is that buying a good subwoofer now and using it with LSX for some time until I buy bigger speakers in a few years.

@user-dk1bv9ck1p 9 месяцев назад

In a nutshell. If you don't have seperate Preamp and PowerAmp it is better to avoid mini DSP / Exteanal dsp that let you equalize the main speakers with Subwoofer. So those with Integrated amp can not use mini DSP / External dsp and thetefore better avoid Subwoofer. Otherwise it is too complicated and the only way would have to be choosing a Subwoofer with Speakers line in and out ( 8 speaker lines) in order to create this equilibrium by making the main speakers use the same DSP of the Subwoofer. One thing to mention is that DSP wether seperate DSP or the Sub DSP when influences the signal tgat comes to the main speakers might not be the way to go for audiophiles since you are adding extra component between the main speakers and your HiFi system. Soo. best buy a good set of speakers that go as liw as 40 Hz and enjoy their dynamics. No need for this extra low bass. Tge bass of the speakers is good enough. This will be a three way speakers not two way. Like sonus faber sonetto III or V or PS audio speakers . Or Like more echonomical Dali oberon 5 or something like that....

@wooster7571 2 года назад

Will the bloke from REL come to fit mine up if I buy one? 😂 I honestly couldn’t tell the difference in the second track. First one was an improvement though

@andrismorozovs2399 5 лет назад

YES, SUBWOOFER CAN IMPROVE HI-FI SPEAKERS MID RANGE,TREBLE AND STEREO IMAGING BY MY EXPERIENCE IN MY SYSTEM !!!

@gino3286 4 года назад

Hi Thanks for the excellent video and the sound is wonderful even through RU-vid ... i cannot imagine how good must be live ! i have a question. Would an electronic crossover help even more ? with it you can send the very low Hz only to the Rel and save the main speakers from the demanding task of reproducing lower Hz .... Kind regards, gino

@jdm724 5 лет назад

If you run it LARGE and sub with high level than you need an antimode for the subwoofer. What makes me wonder how are you going to connect the REL HT series high level when there is no speakon input?

@PursuitPerfectSystem 5 лет назад

the 1508 will be connected over a normal line level connection and I will test it my way and the REL way.

@nespressoman 5 лет назад

The HT series is meant for movies and not music. No speakon input is required as REL make a wireless module that will send a full uncompressed signal to the HT sub.

@MrLmp2109 5 лет назад

Not sure about ht range, but s5 very nice, I use s3 sho

@nespressoman 5 лет назад

The HT range is meant for home theatre use. I would love that S5.

@adrianmiszczuk8061 Год назад

I mean Yes it can a little bit improve sound by boost subwoofer because speakers use some power from subwoofer power supply even if the mid range speaker has own power supply.

@zacwohlfarth8596 4 года назад

You have great taste, Corsair crystal 570X with the red bolts! But... it’s on the ground 😭

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

Why being on the ground is wrong? What is wrong there thanks

@zacwohlfarth8596 4 года назад

Pursuit Perfect System idk about yours, but mine would get super dusty. Idk if you use it to game though

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

@@zacwohlfarth8596 yep is always covered in dust is a nightmare but the big dust cover on the front does an OK job even though most of the plastic holders of it and the glass are broken- that bit is crap.

@zacwohlfarth8596 4 года назад

Pursuit Perfect System that’s no good, mine never broke, but yeah getting it off the floor might be a good idea!

@jgloukas 5 лет назад

You should also try to add a Rel to the center speaker. Ideal!

@nespressoman 5 лет назад

You could add subs to the surrounds and atmos speakers too but unless those surrounds and Atmos speakers are full range then there is no point.

@jingch 4 года назад

Hi. By connecting the subwoofer to the speaker terminals of the amp will not cut the lower frequencies to the speakers. Isnt it better if we connect the subwoofer to the dedicated subwoofer output of a device and the device would split the lower frequencies to the sub out and the rest of frequencies to the next gear( ultimately to the speakers) . Isnt this arrangement better when the lower frequencies are taken away from the speakers in this way? And how can a subwoofer (connected high level) help in the mid range, treble of the speakers if the same signals are still going to the speakers (when without the sub)?

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

That is not the idea for this type of connection - this type of connection is designed to fill and support where the speakers are either rolling off or weak in performance. You can have double bass i.e. the speaker and sub doing bass together so long as they are in phase and time aligned - same thing really. The reason bass improves mid range and treble is do with perception. 9/10 a speaker sounds bright not because its bright but because there is not enough bass to balance the sound, I am not referring to sub bass I am referring to mid range really and deeper. A lot of speakers suffer from SBIR problems in rooms and normally a speaker is placed for best mid range and stereo image sacrificing bass performance - this is audiophile mistake number 1 but its a trade off whatever way you look at it. If you use subwoofers you can offset this trade off, but there are technical and setup challenges to doing this right as well if you really want to get it nailed. Work = reward though right

@jingch 4 года назад

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks for the clarification

@MrSpock-bm4vm 5 лет назад

I would say, of course! Doesn´t need to be a REL. Doesn´t need to be by high level. A subwoofer can actually increase the "air" at the top and make the highs sound more clean and with more extension. The mids have more "body" and the sound become more "organic". Impressive sound!

@Badazz08 5 лет назад

It's TRUE it doesn't need to be a rel, but, the high level of the rel let's you use any amp u have and therefore has the same signature sound of the amp u are using. That's the benefit. And also there aren't many subs that are super quick to react like a rel. They are never muddy sounding.

@59seank 5 лет назад

Sam Keck: I tried using a digital amp with the REL high-level inputs and it damaged the REL amp. I followed REL's instructions. relsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004486607-Class-D-Amp-Connection-Methods

@moukiebengal9753 5 лет назад

yes , thanks for the video !! , can't wait for you to adjust on your own the integration of the s5's and give an extended review on those nice subs. you know i have kef ref's 5 as we chat from time to time and to be honest integrating a stereo pair of s5's crossed my mind for the last year or so and i even asked you the question in the past as you were not a big fan of putting subs with your ref 3's. Keep up the good work and i'll be waiting for the follow up review on this.

@peterwood2633 4 года назад

Ok I need to connect my dual BK XXLS400s via high level to my Yamaha A-S1100 and Dali iKON 6mkiis

@xedasxedas 3 года назад

You haven't? With that system i would assume it would be the purpose.

@peterwood2633 3 года назад

@@xedasxedas have done it now it's great:)

@monk1100 Год назад

Did you get to keep them, all the reviews on these speakers from loads of You tubers, would make these cheaper if Rel didn't give so many away.

@PursuitPerfectSystem Год назад

No they went back at the end of 2022

@totalplonker824 4 года назад

I was wondering do you leave your speakers set to large even after calibration?

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

I didnt do any calibration in this demo this was all stock so yes speakers set to large

@jdm724 5 лет назад

Would love to see a review solely of the HT1508... there are non on the internet...

@PursuitPerfectSystem 5 лет назад

I will be doing one. I am not quite fully setup yet after all home cinema system and room changes and upgrades but I will have lots of videos coming for all that after the Munich show

@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 5 лет назад

nice video I show on my channel how to hook up a subwoofer three high input for hi-fi music play back

@reynoldugalino6373 4 года назад

Yo tengo subwoofer rel quero conectar high level en altavoces porfavor se puede inseniar como conectarla porfa

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

no hay conexión de alto nivel con la serie de subwoofer REL HT, desea la serie Ti o la Serie-S o superior

@stonefree1911 4 года назад

How would a pair of the REL HT1003's work with a 2.1 stereo only system using RCA inputs?

@PursuitPerfectSystem 3 года назад

I think for a stereo sub setup maybe look at the more music orientated subwoofers REL sell either the T or Serie-S range

@Audfile 4 года назад

Can you do Rel HT vs Rel subs? I want a pair of Ht 1003 for music

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

What do you want compared there, I day say I would excellent performance from both of them one allows for a different connection

@Audfile 4 года назад

@@PursuitPerfectSystem I'm just really not sure what the differences would be, sonically. Maybe the HT is a bit louder, who knows, but my hunch is they are indistinguishable otherwise.

@PursuitPerfectSystem 4 года назад

@@Audfile bass is very much determined by the setup and the room. Some subs will sound similar in the same spot in the room. Some will perform better in areas but as its pressure its very room dependent. In saying that with a good setup some subs are noticeably faster and lighter sounding than others which are a bit thicker sounding which has a bit more visceral impact at the expense of some clarity

@stekof290 3 года назад

Somg 2: A New England by Billy Brag.

@andyjefferson1308 5 лет назад

Can you answer one question plz. What do you think of Dali Rubicon 2s?? I'm thinking of buying a pair, I already own a pair of Dali Opticion 2s, which are good but they sometimes sound a bit bright, so have you tried The Rubicons?? Thank you. And keep the good Videos coming. ✌👍🤙🎶

@PursuitPerfectSystem 5 лет назад

thank you I like Dali speakers they have all been excellent the ones I have listened to. I cant speak for the Rubicon 2 specifically. A sound that is bright is not always the speaker as the cause bear that in mind it could be other things and its worth looking into it

@andyjefferson1308 5 лет назад

@@PursuitPerfectSystem. Thanks for the reply. I'm using an Cambridge audio cxa60 Amp, and chord clearway speaker cable. Cambridge audio Cxc Transport player. But I'm thinking of changing the Amp. At the moment, I'm confused with my setup, but I will most Probably change all of it. Anyways, thanks for your advice. 👍✌ Oh one more, what do you think of the Yamaha A-S1100 amplifier?? I've never used Yamaha before. 🤷‍♂️👍

@nespressoman 5 лет назад

I use the Rubicon LCR speakers on my surrounds and they are great. Harsh for the first week or so. Now they are smooth.

@mykeldg 4 года назад

Rubicons Are much brighter then the opticons. I also have the opticon 2 and i find it a bit warm but very expressive mids. You might benefit with a sub

@billd9667 5 лет назад

Wow, they sound just like my speakers! Sorry for the sarcasm, but audio demos over RU-vid are a huge fail. It’s a fool’s errand to try to judge audio over this medium. A note on this demo - while you specify when high level is used, you don’t when it’s not. If you weren’t using it when the caption was absent, I couldn’t tell. It would have been nice if you had displayed a caption when low level was used. Cheers

@PursuitPerfectSystem 5 лет назад

the sub is in use then its not - so its sub on and then off and you can get a lot from good recordings of anything, far more than someone using descriptive words and leaving the rest to your imagination. but like every recording it's only as good as the playback system and even though it's a diluted version of the real thing it's still a useful thing. If we can't gain anything from a recording hifi and home cinema is pointless really

@billd9667 5 лет назад

I would disagree. While I can get a sense of the room acoustics, even that depends on your mic placement. There are just too many variables - your media, electronics, speakers and their time alignment, acoustics, mic and mic placement, RU-vid and it’s processing, my WiFi hardware, my DSP processor, my speakers, my room acoustics and then, finally, my damned ears and brain. The only things I can almost make out are your recording space and major differences in speakers. While I can sense those differences in the latter, I am ill equipped to define them unless they are significant and glaring. In this case, I’m sorry, but they are not. While my speakers are not “high end” or super revealing, they do cover the full audible spectrum and I can A-B sources quite well on them. The same can be said for my electronics. I’m sorry, but I just cannot depend on this “source” (defined as all of the factors in the chain from your medium to my system) to evaluate anything except for significant changes in one or more elements in the chain. In this case, I’d compare those differences to cable comparisons in that any audible changes are debatable at best.

@PursuitPerfectSystem 5 лет назад

@@billd9667 most of the variables you mention are constant across all my videos so the more of them you watch the more you become used to the sound of my room and system played back through your chosen medium. Same as any demo of any new system there is a lot to disect with your eyes and ears. Spend some time with it though and the differences then become very easy to pick out. in this video I played the sub on it's own so viewers could hear its hardly doing anything so there wont be a miracle amount of difference but a difference still. Lots of viewers are getting a lot from my videos I am sorry you are not. I would try headphones over a system for playback rather than speakers and a good smart device as a source over a laptop or a computer web browser you tube sounds better this way ime If your still not getting much from my videos maybe go and watch others where all they do is talk about things and then you can use your imagination to assume things maybe that works better for you. Thanks for commenting and watching

@sudd3660 5 лет назад

you dont get the point Bill D, there are no big claims on sound demos here, only your lack of quality hifi gear and bloated expectations of sound demos.

@PursuitPerfectSystem 5 лет назад

also for reference my mics - stereo recording at CD quality areb always at ear height at the main listening position - pretty much what you are see in the camera - they cant both be in the exact same spot. When I record at show the mics are with the camera exactly - I use the same recording equipment and same recording level across every video - I dont edit or touch the sound recordings they are all raw - with the exception of spoken words as quite often they are disproportionately quiet compared to the sound of a hifi system and the volume has to be raised. If you want to hear how well the recording setup works check my hifi show live or bristol show videos - every video for the different rooms and system sounds completely different because that is how it was in real life naturally and I was able to record that

@googoo-gjoob 3 года назад

staggering.... even thru youtube...the diff is amazing. the sound collapses w/o the sub

@sudd3660 5 лет назад

with all those ports and passive radiators its going to be a mess, if you ever get the chance, audition some sealed speakers and subwoofer, it is going to be a lot better and easier to work with. i am curious about the new 15" rel subwoofer, its not made for music with disturbs me, i am not all that knowledgeable about surround sound but lfe channel don't contain all the much quick bass i think, but using a subwoofer to aid in the front channel bass must be much better option, ditch the lfe altogether. quality bass benefits anything it playes so why does home theater get shafted and only sold worse subwoofers?

@OrganNLou 5 лет назад

Most REL subs are in fact sealed. REL have been designing subs since their inception in 1990. REL makes subs primarily for 2 channel stereo systems.

@sudd3660 5 лет назад

8 of the 13 subwoofers from rel are sealed. last year it was 5...

@GodfreyMann 3 года назад

2:50 “we can *discuss* the results after.” DISCUSSION?? WHAT DISCUSSION?? PLEASE TELL ME HOW USEFUL THE DISCUSSION (BELOW) IS? “(8:24) It’s an interesting one isn’t it....it’s a very very interesting one....(9:17)...so again, it’s a really interesting one that you can hear a difference...(9:22)...I think I know what’s going on there, I’m pretty sure I have an idea and understanding what’s happening there to make that difference....(9:32)...as you can probably hear it’s not an easy thing to fully integrate.” As far as I can tell, your idea of a discussion is to run through the specs of your gear and room, because that’s all we learned in the “discussion”. I know you love your gear/room, but wasn’t the idea to discuss the differences in sound? FFS why didn’t you tell us what differences you could hear live in the room??? Instead of leaving us to guess? FAIL

@PursuitPerfectSystem 3 года назад

Haha Fair cop

@GodfreyMann 3 года назад

@@PursuitPerfectSystem glad you've taken my rant with humour...I've calmed down now :) Seriously though, I think there was a good opportunity for some education with this A/B demo. Perhaps you could follow it up in a 2nd video?

@PursuitPerfectSystem 3 года назад

@@GodfreyMann this was shot quite a while ago and a lot has changed since this video I terms of how I work and how I structure and plan videos out. Still probably don't explain things that well. I was talking to rel recently about getting some different subs in for some high level testing so yes possibly a follow up in the works. This is not confirmed yet as covid is messing supply up etc

@GodfreyMann 3 года назад

@@PursuitPerfectSystem cool, will keep my fingers crossed that it works out with Rel.

@nespressoman 5 лет назад

I stopped using the hi-inputs on my REL sub because it was the most difficult thing I have ever had to set up in my room. Positioning of the sub, knowing the exact point to set the crossover and volume of the sub was so complicated. I was worried about the main 804s and the REL doubling up at the crossover point and causing problems, and it was a total pain in the arse. I know I set it up wrong because REL are a brilliant company and now I need to do this again. The one thing that REL do not make clear is that people should be VERY careful using their main speakers full-range if they are standmounts or small speakers that cannot go that low. Accidents can easily happen. Terry, I am glad you have started to change your opinion on this as it may give me the incentive to try again.

@PursuitPerfectSystem 5 лет назад

Hi Jim - this is just one demo - I need to have a good play to see what is happening and then see what benefits there might be for using the sub over high level against other methods. Lets see what the next few weeks and months bring once I have had some time to look at it more :)

@nespressoman 5 лет назад

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Cheers Terry. REL did tell me that using two matching subs on the L&R speaker outputs is the way to go but I only have one at the moment as you know. If you do get this sorted and love it, PLEASE do mine when you come over to Dirac! Thanks.

@PursuitPerfectSystem 5 лет назад

@@nespressoman yeah I think stereo will work a lot better, I have my eyes on a pair of 212SE to get in for review but let's do these first :)

@nespressoman 5 лет назад

@@PursuitPerfectSystem I would love a pair of those if I win the lottery.

@Badazz08 5 лет назад

@@nespressoman You can also try just lowering the bass level in your speaker settings and then turn the level slightly to compensate for it. Definatly keep the crossover on full though. I do this with my bookshelf speakers for my surrounds.

@jackdale9249 2 года назад

what do you mean high level ?

@PursuitPerfectSystem 2 года назад

relsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004486987-What-is-a-High-Level-Connection-

@ac81017 4 года назад

I guess i have to be me a pair of Rel subs.

@Baerchenization 3 года назад

Sounds like my headphones.

@PursuitPerfectSystem 3 года назад

what do the headphones sound like? The recording!

@andreasmoller9798 5 лет назад

I prefer playing music without a sub. Most music b&w 683 s2 can handle on its own. Thats why i prefer floorstanding speakers always. For movies i would for the most part use a sub.

@alexbunea9746 2 года назад

I experienced nothing. How could I. This is RU-vid not a hifi system

@PursuitPerfectSystem 2 года назад

Its a recording what does your hifi system play?

@suilegew 2 года назад

Sound tests are pointless on RU-vid. Just tell us your impressions next time.

@PursuitPerfectSystem 2 года назад

Some people get a lot from them but like all recordings you need to listen on a decent playback system to get something from it, if you check the channel I often do both

@justinparkman3585 5 лет назад

no it just drowns them if you need more bass buy a better speaker it's all about balance not boomy bass only poor quality speakers need subs

@oysteinsoreide4323 5 лет назад

Every main speaker will roll off in the bass, especially at lower volume. So a sub makes the bass come to life at normal listening levels regardless of main speaker. Even the largest main speakers should have a sub to help the bass response.

@nespressoman 5 лет назад

Justin, you are wrong. REL subs are not just about more bass and are not boomy if set up right. It is all about the positioning, hi-level crossover point and volume. They integrate so well that you will not know they are there.