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It’s not impeccable work. It’s being cheap and not paying a vocalist. Even on a budget there’s loads of ppl who’d happily work for free. Auto tune sucks all the life out of music…
@@reno5159 hear me out you have that sound had a little more reverb and distortion you could have robot voice throw that on a mic you and jam some robot funk
@@wetrat159 might as well get a vocoder at that point aha. Auto tune does have a place I’d admit that but it’s wayyyy too overused. Actually sick of it nd I ain’t even a old head!! I’m 19 ffs. I have no idea how ppl listen to that shit!! Ear piercing
@@wetrat159 if your using it creatively then big ups but like I said u can always get a vocoder.. that gives you way more creative freedom to mash up sound plus its fun as fuck hahah. Spent way too much time screaming into a mic tryna make some weird pads or sum shit hahah. Dillinja famously used to use a microphone with an E6400 sampler to make some fucked up sounds too. Auto tunes aight if your skint cracking plugins nd doing mad effects chains but yeh I can have hours of fun pissing about on a micro korg
Its their real voices just pitch corrected. Its also always better to pitch correct a better take than a worse one so I doubt most singers r this bad. I will say tho, almost ALL studio recorded vocals nowadays are pitch corrected. For popular music, it straight up just sounds better since everything else is also usually perfectly on pitch, unlike in a live setting. But there are definitely artists who rlly crumble live and/or cannot ever sound similar to the studio vocals live, and those r the arists who I think benefit the most from pitch correction and other vocal editing effects.
Almost never cuz even artist that can actually sing they do 100s recordings of the same song and take the best words to make the perfect version of one song the youtuber "Sideways" has a great video if you want to know more
Basically never, live performances are even pitch corrected nowadays. Not that it's always a bad thing, it's just a fact of music. Mind you a lot of these people are still great singers, tpain cops so much crap for his usage of autotune but he's actually great
There are two categories that directly cite the engineer(s), four that can and often are awarded to engineers (including a specific lifetime award) and two that are specifically awarded for best engineering.
Well, there is a technical Grammy award that is presented to individuals or companies who have made an outstanding technical contribution to the music industry. The one for pitch correction software is sitting on Peter Neubecker's desk in Munich, Germany - Since 2012! However, the Grammy he got was not for Autotune. Peter Neubecker is the inventor and brain behind the pitch correction software Melodyne. Melodyne is still hardly known outside the industry. That's probably because its work doesn't leave any traces. (I may be exaggerating a bit). And while fact checking my comment I found that Andy Hildebrandt, the inventor of Autotune was awarded his own Grammy only a couple of weeks ago in February this year. Congregulations!
@@andreassumerauer5028 Thanks mate. I came from the times of Yamaha 02R + Alesis ADAT + Boss DR5 + Eventide Ultra Harmonizer + Digitech DSP + ADA mp1 + JCM800 and 2pc SM57 and a Beta as my home studio and needed to rent a professional Pro Tools suite to tidy things up , I have no clue on the BS of auto tune when I retired in 2013. Imagine ,having to start on a tape recorder and later a Tascam 4 track in 92 .... people like myself wud find the auto tune wud be beneficial in cutting costs of needing to re-record sumthin and waste time and resources in the studio. With all the tech software that is available today, it's purty frustrating to hear the rubbish of 2023 that is coming through the music industry. Thanks again for the info
You can always tell when a good singer is faking bad singing. Their first instinct is to hit the right notes so they have to continuously consciously think about a different tune and hit pitches on that.
Yeah, I wish he got a bad singer to do this because when the music in that particular key was stripped away, he didn’t sound that bad. But I guess it’s awkward asking a bad singer to sing for them because they’re so bad.
It also really shows with how good of a voice he has and used as this example, a bad singer wouldn't have a trained singing voice and auto tune can't do anything to fix a bad singing voice, regardless.
This is why I appreciate artists who credit their producers. Even if they don't want to be credited, they should anyway. Sound engineers should go into the business knowing there's a chance they will become famous as well.
I previously thought that autotune couldn't actually fix bad singing, but this video seemingly proves the opposite. That's actually a huge opportunity for people that don't have the skills to be a performer, but are ready to put in the work to learn some sound engineering. If you're more about delivering ideas and lyrics, you can make it work that way.
This is why I respect artists who are honest about doing it on any level, doubly so if they officially give credit to their editors or do that themselves.
@@StolenPw no there are a whole shit load of peolle who didnt use auto tune...every artist before auto tune was invented...qnd thats why new music sucks, any no talent dipshit can get a grammy nowa days
Fun fact: No matter who you are or what music you listen to, all of your favorite artists use pitch correction and have since the 70s and 80s. This has saved the music industry thousands of hours of your favorite artist not being able to sing their song properly over and over again.
@risingdead5721 Because it's common knowledge? I know it's fun and trendy to hate on autotune, but pitch correction is just another post-production effect that's used in the recording process in every genre of music. Singers don't always hit every note perfectly, and what might sound fine during the recording session may come through differently in the recording itself. Rather than haul everyone back into the studio to try again and again until its exactly how they want it (which costs a lot of money and time), they just bump the off notes to where they should be and call it a day. 90% of the time you hear pitch correction, it's a slight adjustment, and you don't even realize it's there. And if you constantly hear pitch correction effects in a song, it's usually on purpose, because they're using it as an effect in the same way a guitar uses distortion.
And that's not even the engineer trying. That's an engineer that's high asf with his homies making meme songs and just fuckin' around. That engineer would make you sound like a pro if he were being paid.
That's... literally sound engineer's job? Like the entirety of their work is making professional sound. Pointing that out is like saying "oh that chef would make you a cake like a pro if he was paid". Like yeah, that's why it's his job. Duh. Lol.
This is not autotune. This is pitch correction. They are not the same thing. You have to be able to somewhat sing for autotune to sound decent. He juet corrected your voice where you were out of key and layered it with pitched vocal tracks.
you should listen to pink floyd's have a cigar song. it talks about this topic and the whole album is literally about that, with the cover art being two businessmen shaking hands while one is on fire. the song is from 1975 btw and still is relatable
Music is part of the entertainment industry. The entertainment industry cares about how entertaining you are, now how well “classically trained” you are.
So writing lyrics, comopisng melodies and doing all the tune process shown in the vídeo is not enough just because they don't have the perfect singing voice?
Quite easy to notice if a "artist" is autotuned or not, during live concerts. Most of them cant remember all of their songs and suddenly badly mouth the song or they start singing something else or go "yeah!" etc to hype the crowd or whatever but the singer still "sings" in the music. Their real singing voice through the mic sounds completly different then the song since the song has been so heavily tweaked.
South Park with Randy Marsh being Lorde really did this perfect as well. "Lordes' music actually sounds good." "Thanks. But it sounds even better after I use Auto tune."
@@jaxstewart1860 just a friendly reminder that perfect pitch does not necessarily affect your ability to sing well. also, being able to hit notes wrong on purpose would make the cleaning later much easier. Do you really think melodyne does everything for you?
@@nils2660 ya but I just mean how good the auto tune is depends on how skilled the producer is...if you'd ask me to autotune I'd prob just slap some reverb on xD
@@nils2660 i mean i feel like the idea and concept of the songs rarely are very original. its either, party get drunk or singing about some girl or something. not very interesting. the singer is as much an instrument as the rest of the band and should not be more important.
Love this, great work! Also, people seem to misinterpret regular pitch correction (used in MOST studio recordings) with autotune, similar concept but much different in practice. Autotune you can almost always hear, but pitch correction is already super close, maybe just a cent or two off, and most of the time sounds completely natural after a couple simple clicks.
@@solomonapodaca7979 Nah, not every piece of music. There’s PLENTY of rock and metal bands out there that are just as good live as they are in the studio.
Autotune is great when used for its intended purpose, this video proves that you need to start with a great vocal unless you specifically want an overly processed sound. Most singers that people drag for being "autotuned" are probably way better than people expect.
Disagree, that “I said oooooh” was absolutely atrocious to start with and did NOT sound overly processed when it was auto tuned to sound good. You can autotune bad singing into sounding good without making it overly processed
@@terryriley6410 bro thats like more than 50% of artists. a lot of famous "singers" are garbage at singing, but their lyrics and autotune carry them to fame
The harmony also helps to hide potential audio hiccups in the autotuning (barring catastrophic ones like a clear cut where it shouldn't be) so it sounds even more natural
It definitely doesn't sound natural at all, though it does sound a lot better if you're going for a produced sound. There's noticeable reverb, and obviously a singer can't naturally harmonize with themselves, plus there's no timing difference between all the different vocal tracks as there would be if they recorded the line multiple times (even the best singers would be off +/- a few MS, even with a metronome).
If you listen to a lot of music you can very easily tell. Its makes a song nearly unenjoyable for me when I hear the synthasizer voice most these artists put on themselves.
@@TheBANDit_67 There are a lot of reasons why AI may not replace musicians but that is not one of them. It's trivial, generating something in accordance to a specified tuning system
Yeah. Skillfully done autotune is not even noticeable to the layman. Its when you quantize peoples vocals so perfectly to a grid that no human could ever hit those notes that it sounds thin and artificial. Real perfect pitch has vibrato and blends between notes without just jumping to the next frequency.
yep, it became a style in music now, since 10-15 years. so far as to singes who can actually sing, use it to sound conform and "modern". it's exhausting, it's everywhere.
@@jeff2209 Wrong. A sound engineer must have a good personal touch in order to be successful. Every sound engineer is taught the same basic skills on getting a technically good result, but it's their style of mixing that will earn them a living. If you don't have an attractive style or god-level connections, you're out of business. It is incredibly cut-throat.
Only thing is, Auto Tune WAS NOT intended to be a fallback for correcting vocals! It was actually just originally supposed to be a VOCAL EFFECT! Now, it’s all….this.
This is why I appreciate raw vocals so much. Too many ‘artists’ nowadays are just talentless hacks. All props to the sound engineers though, y’all are so good you can make any trash wannabe rapper with ‘lil’ in their name somehow sound competent.
To be fair, not being able to sing doesn't make you a talentless hack. I've played instruments for years and produce music, travel the world etc, but i can't sing, I'd love to be able to, but i can't, and relying on people for vocals can be a fruitless task, if you can sing your own lyrics and autotune them to sit your own beat and make a banger, thats still talent
if you like people who can hit some good raw vocals, check out brakence. specifically his punk2 album. man can hit a falsetto as good as Freddy Mercury and his production work is phenomenal
Exactly. This is why I love metal so much, you only find skill in good metal bands. Other than the drums, you can’t fake metal and make it sound good. Some deathcore drum beats are just too crazy to actually play, but that’s excusable.
@@WhatsInAName718 I understand that, I wasn’t specific enough. Learning an instrument takes plenty of talent, skill, and practice. I was only referring to people who go into the studio, say a few lines horribly off key, then rely on auto tune to fix their mess. I have plenty of respect to those who take the time and dedication to learn instruments and use them to enhance their music.
You can pretty easily tell if a song has autotune or not.... By simply listening to there bare voice. If a singer sounds DRASTICALLY different in the song compared to every other time they speak its probably autotune... Also not all artists even use autotune. And why does it matter if they did or didnt... If a song is fire do you think i give a damn if it was written and edited by someone else? Because its the same for a movie.... The iron man movies are made of more then just rdj but the name rdj is what people go to movies for now. He is the face of marvel but everything he did was written, directed, and edited by a giant mega corporation of people..... And i guarantee you you cant name a single person that made iron man that isnt an actor or director.... Its not cuz you dont value there work it just doesnt matter
Except that's not "auto" correcting but manual correcting. With autotune you usually just choose between keys or choose chromatic and that causes some parts to sound wonky.
You’ll never know how good compared to some artists as you don’t know the level of auto tune and mixing gone into their music… so… yeah anyone can sing if you mix it well enough, few can sing good enough without it
@@moonfrog9878 I've been told by many people I have a good voice. But I usually just brush it off and tell myself they're being nice 😂. One day I'll try a karaoke machine and see if people still agree 😁
The best way to tell if an artist uses a lot of autotune is to fine live performance of the song, assuming they don't lipsync, and compare it to the studio recording. The artist who don't use it should sound very close.
@@coolbrotherf127 terrible advice. Yes find a live recording. If it sounds exactly like the studio then they are likely using live pitch fixing. A studio performance and a live one will almost never sound the same nor should they. That is how you know some funny business is going on. A live performance should sound more raw and have more imperfections in the harmonies. Especially if the artist is dancing or just moving around a lot in general. My advice is to just not worry about it. Music is music. If you like it then you like it. There is no real music vs fake music. Thats just gatekeeping nonsense. Also lip-synching is not really done anymore outside of drag shows. There is no reason to do it because you can pitch fix live and in real time. Again if you want to know if someone is using pitch correction - and most artists use at least a little - you need to be able to tell what is unnaturally exact. The human voice is a biological sound and will have imperfections. Even opera singers will have these small imperfections. Its like comparing a line drawn with a straight edge vs freehand. You will see endless straight lines if someone used a straight edge and if not you will see imperfections. Even if the person is a master you will see the natural variation brought on by human imperfection. But its getting even harder to tell these days because the computers are designed to mimic even that. So just don't bother worrying about it. There is still skill and artistry involved even if a computer helped create something. It all depends on if you enjoy it or not. Its pointless to be hung up on if it is "real" or not.
We are quickly approaching a world where the best singers, painters, and creatives in general are just the people who can tell a computer to do it for them
wait what do you mean by (specifically) painters are one of those people, who tells a computer to do it for them? Are you referring to digital artists or «AI artists»?
@@hypetrail You can tell the computer to make it look like a painting. If you're talking fine art for rich people that's probably safe, but anything less can be replaced
@@agentorange4635 idk about the Philippines, I don’t know much about their music industry. But certainly in parts of asia (k-pop, J-pop) in Europe, and in the West (Americas - North and all Latin America )
