Can Hypno beat Yellow without TMs? - Super Minimum Battles

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PokeDoll Glitch, traded-in HM pokemon, and a fresh water swapped in via Stadium 2. So far Pokemon have only completed Super Minimum Battles with TMs... Even Mewtwo needed Thunderbolt, Ice Beam and Blizzard. But is Hypno so good that it can beat the game on this hardcore setting without even using TM moves?
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Every Pokemon goes through 3 separate tests:
1. Minimum Battles
2. No TMs
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1. 0 DVs/ 0 IVs (Worst Possible Stats).
2. No Items in Battle.
3. No Stat Boosting Vitamins (HP Up, Carbos, Iron, Calcium, Protein).
4. No other Pokemon in battle (HM Mules allowed outside of battle).
5. Timer STARTS when I select New Game, and ENDS when the Champion is defeated.
6. Required Battles are the 65 battles that cannot be avoided without glitches (See Jrose11's original Minimum Battles video.
7. Pokedoll Glitch is a glitch and therefore banned.
8. Brock Through Walls is banned.
9. Badge Boost Glitch is allowed without restrictions.
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@denis2381 8 месяцев назад

RBY Pokemon Challenges

@brianwisecarver4880 8 месяцев назад

Denis

@KyleLeeman 8 месяцев назад

Brian

@brianwisecarver4880 8 месяцев назад

Kyle

@codygriffin299 8 месяцев назад

Brian

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Denis, Brian, Kyle, and Cody, a legendary team!

@madddd1 8 месяцев назад

First of all, amazing run, didn't expect Hypno to be this good with its levelup moveset Second, imagine how good would psychic/poison pokemon would be at this format if one existed in gen1

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

That would be interesting to try..... I think in That ed/Blue it would be amazing. I think in Yellow it would get crushed

@ZorotheGallade 8 месяцев назад

I always liked Hypno as the Psychic-type underdog. Not much of a glass cannon like Alakazam, but it's much easier to catch and evolve, I had it in my final team in both of the gen 1 games I owned.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

For sure. In terms of solo running, I think Hypno is the most balanced pure Psychic type in Gen 1.

@Submissive-Soul 8 месяцев назад

The commentary is also really good its just normal sounding like how most of us talk without the cussing if i ever start using my voice in vids itll i wont be able to keep it so clean lol

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, I try to keep commentary natural, but clean. It's a balance for sure. I think 8've only started saying f-you to the game when I lost to the champion on the final turn due to a Gen 1 miss with level 5 Arcanine

@reed3863 8 месяцев назад

Hypno is surprisingly good for a no TMs CHALLENGE. The badge boost thing is just too good to not take advantage of. Great run!

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

True that!

@flatwoodscryptid 8 месяцев назад

4:00 generally in competitive play in gen 1, Normal is actually the best type! First off, you have the obvious. There are some really strong normal types in Tauros, Snorlax, and Chansey. And then you gotta consider the strong moves they have access to, both with good STAB options Body Slam and the bugged version of Hyper Beam, as well as wide coverage due to gen 1 learnsets often being weird. And then with the lack of good fighting types, only 1 ghost type, and 1 other resist outside of that, they face very few issues with actually using those powerful STAB moves. And then once you consider how many Body Slams are flying around in the tier, the fact normal types can't be paralyzed by it due to another gen 1 quirk? It ends up going very well for normal being on top (or at least right behind Mew and Mewtwo, but the main format bans those)

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

For sure. I know Tauros and Snorlax were the gods of competitive in Gen 1 and Snorlax was even better Gen 2. But for solo runs, they are really bad....

@Neogeddon 8 месяцев назад

I LOOOOVE playing on Stadium with the speedup on my lil CRT TV. So comfy. You should def get that setup sometime.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

I miss CRT gaming.... Used to have one of those behemoth big CRTs in the living room, with PS2 and N64 hooked up

@brolsroyceyt2362 8 месяцев назад

The Gym Leader transitions are fire in this Vid I had to Sub amazing content man🔥🔥

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Awesome, thank you so much!!!

@michaelquinones3572 8 месяцев назад

Hypnosis and Pound. We got another Pill Cosby on our hands here. Imagine if he was at level 69?

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Seriously, the Cosby's are OP jn Gen 1

@logan_wolf Месяц назад

Worse than that: imagine a Smeargle with Charm, Sleep Powder, Harden, and Pound.

@jussioman 8 месяцев назад

Just great to see my favorite gen 1 psychic boy beating the challenge. God tier Hypno lets go!

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, Hypno is better than Mewtwo in this format in the sense that it doesn't need TMs. I think Gengar could do the same, just be slower

@bateltheassistant 8 месяцев назад

Hypno needs to gave it's own tier by that point. Even Mewtwo couldn't do super minimum battles without using tms ,while Hypno crushed most of the game, while not having it's strongest moves by it side for for most of the mid game. I guess that if did get Psychic early Hypno could be definitely number 1. 😊

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, Hypno is God Tier. I want to try the same thing again with Gengar. It will get a slower time, but might be the second Pokemon to do no TMs

@Kajowwojak 8 месяцев назад

Pokemon in 2010 "I wonder if it's possible to beat a game of pokemon if pokemon die when they faint." Pokemon in 2023 "It's absolutely possible to break pokemon using only the weakest possible version of a pokemon, without using TM's and also skipping not only all optional battles but also by skipping large swaths of the game through theoretically possible outside help!" Pokemon in 2050 "Watch me beat all of pokemon using only a level 5 magikarp by relying solely on Gen 1 misses"

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

It's coming 😂

@DoctorNovakaine 8 месяцев назад

Hypno continuing to say "I'll find some way to do this better than you."

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

He is honestly the best Gen 1 non-legendary Pokemon

@gearfriedtheswmas 8 месяцев назад

sleep moves are the god tier

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Fact. Sleep is the most OP status in Gen 1, just because Freeze is capped at 10%

@rooislangwtf 8 месяцев назад

I'd say the Marowak pokemon doll is more of an oversight than a glitch, then again most of the glitches in this game is thanks to programming oversights, but badge boosts being re-applied every time your stats change feels way more like a glitch than forgetting to not let players use the pokedoll in a situation where you aren't supposed to run away. Guess it'll depend on how broad / narrow your definition of a glitch is.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah I seriously wonder how to properly define a glitch versus an exploit. Some people say glitch means overwriting RAM to cause a glitched state, in which case badge boosts, Pokedoll, Dig/paralysis, Toxic/leech seed, and bicycle pass are all exploits, not glitches, because the game is not being put into a glitched state by overwriting RAM values. Trainer Fly, Brock Skips, etc would remain glitches because they do rely on overwriting RAM values to cause a glitched state to occur

@rooislangwtf 8 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges yeah I've gone into way too long conversations about what's a glitch, a bug or an exploit with people and I've just kinda given up cause there's way too much overlap to properly define things. Hell even when I have set opinions of what each one is, I still find myself using them interchangeably sometimes.

@_RiseAgainst 8 месяцев назад

The pokedoll is functioning as it is supposed to. I don't remember, but if you can run away from marowak, then the pokedoll is fair game.

@rooislangwtf 8 месяцев назад

@@_RiseAgainst you're using the pokedoll against Marowak's unidentified ghost form and using the doll makes you bypass needing the silph scope. You can run from it since you need to go get the scope, but using the doll counts the battle as completed. So the unintended bit is actually counting it as a battle completed instead of counting it as just running away from the unidentified ghost.

@adventureoflinkmk2 8 месяцев назад

16:02 today i found out: the drowzee juggler in kogas gym can switch Pokémon Edit: also during the sabrina battle.. defence is ooooo 69 nice and then speed goes up to oooo 69 nice

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, Jugglers ,Cool Trainers, and Agatha are the only ones that swap out iirc. Super Nice!

@linhero797 8 месяцев назад

To be fair, the PokeDoll situation really just depends on how you define a glitch. For me I have 3 types of definitions. Oversights. Programming Errors. And Glitches. Oversights are when intended systems are used in ways the developers didn't consider and thus cause inintended effects. Which is what most people I have talked to consider the PokeDoll. It's working as Intended. All the systems being used are in place and doing their job. The Devs simply forgot to modify the flags of the Ghost Maroark Battle to account for the Pokedoll.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Sure. I suppose Badge Boosts glitch would go into the programming errors section of that

@linhero797 8 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges Yeah, and the 1 in 256 Glitch would also be there. Since the CPU isn't doing something wrong. The CPU is running the code as it's been given to it. The programmers simply made a a mistake. But like I said, it's super subjective, I like to use this system since it makes it easier to define a Glitch. Since a Glitch is the byproduct of either Unintended Mechanics being used in ways that abuse the CPU logic, or actual hardware faults that make results in even perfectly functional code broken. Kinda like where the word Bug originated from in terms of Computers, being when bugs would actually get into the old Analogue Computers and messed woth the components, resulting in bad putputs.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

For sure. I think it's a good framework to think of these things from

@PureStealth 8 месяцев назад

Great video! Would be interesting to see if any back-ported pokemon could manage super minimum battles. Gardevior or Espeon definitely, maybe Misdreavus?

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

For sure. Not quite ready to do my own backport runs yet (I only did Smeargle for Scotty's community challenges), but I think it could be very interesting to t st out

@e22ddie46 8 месяцев назад

Great video.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@metalmariomega 8 месяцев назад

Hypno being OP is always hilarious to think about.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

And yet, in solo runs, it's absolutely true

@Barkstopper 8 месяцев назад

Hands down my favorite Psychic type.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Me too! Hypno is the best!

@mikkoollanketo4113 8 месяцев назад

Almost blashpemy: "you need to hook them up to Playstation..." 😂❤ Nice save though! Love the content!

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Absolute fail while doing live commentary. I was thinking PS2 as an abbreviate to Stadium 2, but it's also PS2 console....

@christopherballero866 8 месяцев назад

Very well done

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Thank you very much!

@chiquita_dave 8 месяцев назад

I'm honestly more impressed with hypno than I was with mewtwo. I can't wait to see how Weepinbell does!

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

I agree, it is a much bigger accomplishment without TMs.

@Jac735 8 месяцев назад

Dont care what nobody says in gen 1 and 2 Hypno was my go to physic type very underrated and i destroyed people's teams with it

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Absolutely, it is God-tier

@AronFigaro 8 месяцев назад

Vaporeon maybe? I could see a case for Poliwhirl. TBH I don't think much else is gonna do it, you need too many things. Typing, strong attack, growths, badge boosts. Vaporeon having to get to 42 with no nuke and no badge boosts might mean no go. Just GETTING to 54 for hydro pump might be too late. There's maybe a case for Seadra but neither of these have damaging badge boosts. I mean, obviously since never taking damage is a possibility Muk can? Grimer would need a gen 1 miss from Sandslash though. Might be the only non water or psychic type, though Venusaur is also on the list of possible candidates. I'll be SHOCKED if we find one I didn't list here + hypno, please impress me because you're way better at this than I am.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Lots of interesting candidates. I think there will be a decent set of Pokemon that can do this, actually. But I'm interested to see Pokemon that I previously had in S-Tier that fail here, or need some extra help.....

@EvilOttoJrProductions 8 месяцев назад

Happy 25th anniversary to the American release of Pokemon Red and Blue!

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, it has been so long!!!

@joefarrow1599 8 месяцев назад

Where is the music that you put on in the Blaine fight from? It reminds me of the Shovel Knight soundtrack

@joefarrow1599 8 месяцев назад

Also I swear that Rhydon sprite has four arms, like two out to the sides and another pair folded across his chest

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, I always thought it had 4 arms as a kid. The song, I'll have to check. It's likely a Gym Leader theme or possibly a Team Galactic theme.

@joefarrow1599 8 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges maybe he's doing a Machamp cosplay

@135forte 8 месяцев назад

Well, since you mention it, what does a traded Alakazam look like in Yellow? Even just one from Red/Blue to get an actual attack?

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

It's something to look at. I think it could eventually beat Misty in spite of disobedience.

@Submissive-Soul 8 месяцев назад

there he is

@maxtornogood 8 месяцев назад

Gen 1 Hypno is damn impressive for no TMs, God Tier would be a fair ranking!

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, he is truly OP in Gen 1 solo runs

@iantaakalla8180 8 месяцев назад

Maybe the point of Hypno was a very solid Psychic type alternative to the also great Alakazam. It only works in Gen 1, but these stuff made me realize that fact. From a design perspective, it is obvious since the Abra line is locked at Kadabra unless trade happens. However, this just proves it is very suited for the Gen 1 campaigns.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Absolutely. I think they wanted two really different optional with Alakazam being to kind of Easter egg via trade evo.

@alexrobinet7576 8 месяцев назад

"Speedrunners swear to god its not a glitch" Lol

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Just saying.

@cycberdoghayden8397 8 месяцев назад

Would you be allowed to do brock skip. Like a mon that can't minimun brock so you save him for later

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

There is another option, though... Pokemon Stadium 2 would technically allow the transfer of TMs before Brock. You'll see in the next video, but it actually allows a Pokemon that normally completely fails against Brock to do the challenge.

@DoctorNovakaine 8 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges Could that not in theory open up a whole host of potential optimizations for Pokemon that can't beat Brock on minimum battles? Or would you consider penalizing that more heavily than the usual TMs due to the fact that they technically shouldn't be possible to use at that point?

@salvadorsanchez5057 8 месяцев назад

im super sure the marowak thing isnt a glitch as much as it is an exploit. glitches usually refer to bugs in programming

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

I always wonder what people consider glitches versus exploits in that case then. For example, the badge boost glitch is everything working exactly as they programmed it, it was simply a logic error by the developers when implementing the badge boosts in battle. So Badge Boost glitch is technically not a glitch of Pokedoll isn't a glitch, because it's not putting the game into a glitch state, just exploiting an oversight by the developers for handling a specific case

@Barkstopper 8 месяцев назад

Question: Why drop Confusion instead of disable for psychic? Nvrmind, got my answer lol😅

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

That would have been the better play in hindsight

@Barkstopper 8 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges I woulda done the same tbh, I would be so quick to boost my power that I woulda ended up booting it and realizing to late my mistake lmao. AWESOME VID ❤️

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Oh yeah, right now these are all first attempts. I will go back and do a "optimized run*" in each format and there, we will definitely see Confusion kept in that spot

@Laezar1 8 месяцев назад

I wonder what's the weakest pokemon that can beat supeer minimum battles theoretically. And by theoretically I mean, with something like a mod that gives perfect RNG where all ennemy move always miss unless they're a move like swift that can't miss and where all your move that can hit hit 100% of the time. (basically what pokemon doesn't have enough PP to beat the elite 4 or HP to win with struggle, or can't get through lorelei's dewgong)

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

I mean, if you made opponents never hit with anything but swift, I foresee Pokemon only potentially failing on Brock (due to type resistance and his total HP), the ghost trainers (Eevee for example can't hit the Pokemon Tower trainers without Bide, which is useless if they can't hit and wouldn't have enough HP anyway) and then Giovanni 3 and Agatha. Everything else would certainly be beatable by anything (assuming TMs are used)

@Laezar1 8 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges I dunno, very low lvl weak fighting/poison type pokemon might never get past lorelei for exemple but yeah most trainers would not cause an issue it'd probably be boring. just a thought lol but I'm sure there are *some* pokemon that physically can't win

@_RiseAgainst 8 месяцев назад

I think if you did it where only 100% accurate moves would hit you, then it would be interesting.

@Laezar1 8 месяцев назад

@@_RiseAgainst yeah but then it's not the true gen 1 optimal experience ;p

@RichardBucher2077 8 месяцев назад

Oh, I can see a pattern forming, super minimum battles series 😊

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, I will be doing some of these because they do become very interesting imho

@philipmurphy2 8 месяцев назад

I expected Hypno to be good as its moveset is excellent.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, it's really good!

@brianwisecarver4880 8 месяцев назад

Don't know if anyone noticed, he lost to first misty battle by a gen 1 miss

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, such is life in Gen 1

@danielj5136 8 месяцев назад

Dodrio with minimum battles (not super)?

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Could be interesting

@paintedeyes9736 8 месяцев назад

I'm sick, tired and bored. Thanks for the much needed entertainment 😇

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

I feel you, I'm recovering from a minor surgery as we speak, so not moving around much. Comments are fun to see when I'm laid up.

@paintedeyes9736 8 месяцев назад

forgot to reply, sorry. Hope you get back on your feet soon :)@@RBYPokemonChallenges

@cpalmer3 8 месяцев назад

Technically, does using the pokedoll count as an item in battle?

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

But is it a battle? We cannot attack the opponent....

@davidlee2052 8 месяцев назад

Hypyes is the best !

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Hypyes is the best, ai need to bring him back when I optimize this one

@davidlee2052 8 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges yes please!

@Lucifers-Stepdad 8 месяцев назад

The best type in smogon gen 1 ou is normal instead of psychic. I think the main reason is that it means body slam can't paralyse.

@waterierStone 8 месяцев назад

Also stab hyper beams are great.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

True, but that's largely because they severely limited status, banned basically everything except for a dozen "meta-approved" moves, and didn't have to contend with Brock at level 6-8. Snorlax, Tauros, and Chansey get curbstomped by the psychic types in Gen 1 solo runs

@Lucifers-Stepdad 8 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges yeah that's why I said ou smogon. It's the only time psychic isn't the best type in gen 1. It might have been clearer if I had time stamped when you said 'when isn't psychic the best type in gen 1?' that would've made a lot more sense, actually. My bad.

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

For sure. I'm just saying what I was referring to was more about solo runs, but yeah, if I was said Psychic was best competitively, then that's just plain wrong because as you said, the Normal types dominated Gen 1 Competitive

@sylokthedefiled7650 6 месяцев назад

Technically anything can super min battles the game. You just have to have the enemy gen 1 miss enough. So yeah. I dont think thats gonna happen

@RBYPokemonChallenges 6 месяцев назад

The problem with that argument is anything more than two Gen 1 misses in a row is so unlikely it probably wouldn't happen in your lifetime, but also, Pokemon uses pseudo-random numbers so unless you mapped out the entire RNG function of the game to perfectly reproduce it and had frame perfect inputs for the entire run, it's actually impossible to get more one Gen 1 miss consecutively.

@sylokthedefiled7650 6 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges oh yeah, definitely not going to happen in any playthrough done with human hands.

@Submissive-Soul 8 месяцев назад

u mixed the music right using the battle music for bosses and chill music for booboo enemies

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, the non-boss music is the actual music I listen to while playing. I did this one as a quicker edit since I was going into surgery the next day, so it was a tighter deadline than normal

@adventureoflinkmk2 8 месяцев назад

Hi Teo

@adventureoflinkmk2 8 месяцев назад

35:28 nope, still subbed :)

@RBYPokemonChallenges 8 месяцев назад

Wow, thanks!

@adventureoflinkmk2 8 месяцев назад

@@RBYPokemonChallenges wow, you're welcome :)