Can it get better? NEW REL Subwoofer HT1205 MKII Review.  

This is the very dilemma I’m having right now is Rel is closing out the 1205 v1s at $449.99 each and was thinking of getting 4 like you have. But you and Nemo both really like the newer versions.

@jglaserbot At the price, you can get the older model now,they are an absolute steal. The new model is an improvement, but you can't ignore the bargain price of the old model. You will be knocked out with four of the old models.

You replaced 4 HT1205 MKi with 2 MKII’s? How did that go with output? I have a pair of MKi’s now and contemplating getting the 1510 and sticking with the 12 MKI’s to have 3 total. Though I can get 2 1205 MKII’s for the price of a single 1510, though I am not sure I will notice much of a difference. My room is 20x15

@@guillermomartin8248 Get the 1510, keep the 1205's. You will be delighted with the result.

honestly bro I love the MK2 but I love the MK1 also. Just save money and keep what you got!

You would be much better off buying a second mk1!!!!

I appreciate that!

Is it appropriate to get this sub for a 2-channel music-only system?

I'll try and do it more often :)

Good choice!

The MK1 is amazing bro, you did good, enjoy it :)

German to 544euro. Rel Ht1205 mk1.

hey what's my man, thank you for leaving a comment :)

I probably wont review the XS15 but I do have a pair of the XS8 here.

@@NemoPropaganda that’s cool it anyway I just needed help with the settings on the amp. Lol 😂 I should get my in 2 to 3 day that way it gives you time for your video to come out. 😎👍

depends on the rest of your equipment, both subs do well at low volumes, the larger 1205 is going to extend lower while the smaller T7X is going to give you a little better tone & texture.

it's been a long time now since I've heard the L12, I believe the two would be fairly competative with eachother in terms of SQ. As far as the F12-400 I have not heard it, all i can tell you is my F12SE is an upgrade compared to the 1205 MK2.

excellent choice!

that's a strange reaction but I'm happy you found a solution so you can continue to enjoy bass :)

Hi Brian, neither one is boomy, the MK2 just has a little more strength to its sound, a little more definition, everything most people like about bass the new MK2 does just a little better, but if you can find the old version on sale and want to save a couple bucks its absolutely a great option.

@@NemoPropaganda Hey man, how would you compare the new 1205 mkii to the Rythmik L12s?

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 L12 continues to be an absolute bargain at its price and impossible to beat for the money. It will extend lower than the 1205 MK2, it has been some time since I have heard the L12 so I can't say too much more then that. Both have great sound quality but the L12 digs deeper.

@@NemoPropaganda Haha man, they hit a home run with the L12. I mean it isn't cheap by any standards, but you get a top of the line sub for 600, with svs you have to spend like 2k+ for something decent.

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 SVS is really good too just a very different sound, I made a video about it awhile back if you want to see my thoughts: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rEz03XkcslI.html&ab_channel=NemoPropaganda

I love it!

excellent choice! I think you will be very happy :)

@@NemoPropaganda Just got them yesterday. First impressions listening to music while settings things up weren't great, but we threw on Aliens and my god I thought my house was going to fall apart in a few scenes hahaha. Haven't ran DIRAC again to tune my system to the subs, but super happy with my purchase. Now that I think about it, my receiver had the old DIRAC response curves turned on when I was setting things up which might have given me that bad first impression....as it was tuned to a pair of completely different subs.

@@Deadite8593 yeah, keep playing with it, you'll see, it takes most people a few weeks to really dial in a sub.

@@NemoPropaganda Yeah you're right. After spending several hours yesterday I got them more dialed in and now they sound much better all around. Had to decouple them from my tile floor with some iso-feet, and disable my DIRAC eq curve my receiver was applying to my LFE output. Now I'm super impressed with them! Thanks again for making these videos and helping people like me decide where to spend their money when we need to make our dollars count!

the 1205 mk2 is gonna give you quicker transients and more nuance detail in the bass region, it's up to you if that's worth the trade off & higher price. The RSL 10s being vented will have more force down low and more raw output.

Yes! I have one here right now :)

1205 MK2 is better overall for any usage.

I actually hate PR subs normally, REL's approach to the design of PR subs is fairly unorthodox and unique, theres a reason their PR subs sound so incredible while most other PR subs just sound like ported subs in a smaller package.

REL actually designed the subs to work together and recommend it for HT. Shane did a video on it where their engineer helped setup. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4cvsSYHebTc.html

1205 MK2 for sure.

​Yes, I'm leaning towards the 1205 mk2, but a sale price has me confused, the T/9X would be only $100 more expensive. But I don't think about it anymore, I order the 1205 mk2 🤤. Thank you for your answer and your videos! 🙏

@@tomih2554 You can get the 1205 VI for around $400 now...with full warranty.

Yes.

I don't know I'm pretty busy rn but the 1003 v2 and 1205 v2 are damn near identical, only difference is what comes with size, slightly smaller sense of scale, slightly less extension, and less output for the 1003 MK2, as far as SQ goes both are fantastic.

that's a tough one, the D110 is an absolute monster. If you enjoy bass that is slightly more aggressive and would like to have a more compact subwoofer the JL D110 is crazy good.

that's a great price! enjoy!!!

@@NemoPropaganda will do I'm getting it in a few days and will give an update once I run them in a little

Im waiting ​@@Birmingham_racing

both subs sonically sound identical, both are fast, clean, and clear. 1510 extends lower, plays louder, and has much more authority down low due to its size.

value is personal, both are worth it.

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks. I've gone ahead and ordered the original for £449, I'm sure I'll be happy with it!

@@andrewmoore4629 excellent choice!

The dual RSL subs will play louder than the single HT1205 MKII but the single HT1205 MKII will have better bass fidelity overall. This is a simple quantity vs quality decision. The RSL has great bass fidelity for its price category but the bass fidelity of the HT1205 MK2 is superior.

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks a lot.

Just wondering have you already come to a decision on what kind of AVR and speakers you going for.

The trouble with the RSL subwoofer is they're usually out of stock and you have to wait months to get it.

not yet bro, soon though!

I kind of want to review an F18 now lol

@@NemoPropaganda It's a monster. I hear that the FV18 is even more monstrous, but in my room specifically the room gain perfectly matches the rolloff of the F18 to absolutely absurd levels.

@@Woodzyowl0309 theres a guy in my discord with an FV18, it looks super badass! I don't know if my room could handle a sub so large though.

@@NemoPropaganda No correlation to excessive LF size/capability vis-à-vis modest room size.

@@FOH3663 I don't understand these words.

I don't think so, I have already found the best vented subwoofers and that is anything made by Rythmik.

that's an odd combination but If it sounds good you're winning.

Hi Percy, will probably sit down to film a video this weekend and have it posted in about 2 weeks if I don't get too busy. The 1003 is very similar though, if you like everything I said about the 1205 V2 and you want that just in a smaller package that's what the 1003 V2 does :) Hope that helps.

Thanks for the response and suggestions awesome

no way I can help with that brother, both options are good, it just comes down to which system you want to upgrade. personally I'm more of a music customer so I'd upgrade the stereo room first but that's just me. You may prefer adding the 1205 MK2 pair to the theater first, you can always sell your 1205 MK1 pair later to fund an upgrade for the stereo. You have many options :)

@@NemoPropaganda thank you 😊

hey what's up Mike, I'm not sure about that, the video REL posted yesterday only mentions 1510 and the website doesn't list 1205 or 1003 MK2 on the Airship2 page but it does list the 1510. Could have somethign to do with the XLR, I'm not sure.

@@NemoPropaganda Best Buy has the original right now for $450 and the 1003 for $350 if anyone is interested.

@@madcrabber1113 thats a hell of a deal!!

I don't have any relationship with Elac so I'd have to buy it myself or work with a dealer, with my busy schedule that is a bit challenging.

the svs sb1000 pro is my favorite svs subwoofer and I think its really fantastic. The 1205 has a slightly larger cabinet and is a little quicker with its transient resposne so it should sound cleaner in the music system. As far as cable runs for 40+ft I wouldn't really know as 6ft is the longest I use. I'd ask in the free discord, there are a few guys in there that have to have longer cable runs.

I would run RG6 for that length. When I did home installs, we used that alot. It has a wider bandwidth than you'll ever need as well as excellent shielding.

thank you bro, yeah I'm aware of my own speach patterns. You must keep in mind these videos are all filmed freestyle in a single take and there is no editing so I am more focused on content and I can only do that by talking the way I naturally talk. I don't think many people can film videos the way I do. Think about it, 19 minutes, freestyle, no script, full review, product details, comparisons, its not as easy as I make it look.

what you want exists but you don't want to spend the money which is a common thing we all run into, why not just buy another 1205 instead?

@@NemoPropaganda yeah I was mulling over a 1205 mk 2 (just sold a mk1). Might just save up for a s510. I really want simultaneous high level and lfe input.

I would take the 1961 1s over the 1205 MK1 for sure because the 1961 has much better build quality and for you they are almost the same price. Here in the US the 1205 MK1 was $250 cheaper than 1961 so it made sense but if they are almost the same price for sure get the 1961 1S instead.

yes for sure bro, the Predator 1510 is a much better coffee table option versus the 1205 MKII lol

that happened to me one time with my JL D110 and it turned out to be a bad RCA cable so definately rule out the possibility of a cable or the amp being the issue, after that you gotta contact REL or the dealer for service if it really is the sub.

you asked me the same question on my RSL Speedwoofer video and I gave you a VERY clear answer. If you ask me to review Starke one more time I'm going to block you.

not really interested in the SB4000, at 117 lbs its too heavy for me.

I am not familiar with the S2, I suggest you reach out to REL and see what they have to say about it. They will be able to make a recommendation much better than I can as they have more experience with various room sizes and their own models.

as much as I love the original 1205 I do not think 2 1205 v1 will equal a single 1510. I think you are doing great saving up and you should continue to be discipline and save. I have a feeling if you get the dual 1205 V1 you always wonder "what if". But you might also be very happy with the pair, it's hard to say but your room is very alrge.

@@NemoPropaganda thank you for your reply. I know that multiple subs are usually better than one sub as you can balance the room more effectively, so I also thought that 4 of the 1205s could work and I’d still be under what a single 1510 would be. IDK maybe I’m just tempted by a great deal.

@@jglaserbot if you have the ability to properly integrate 4x subwoofers for sure do that! That would be really cool but you'll need to make sure your timing is perfect.

@@NemoPropaganda yeah I’d be using a mini dsp 2x4 and REW to set the subs and then Anthem’s ARC to fine tune them.

@@jglaserbot sounds like a cool project!!!

You can stack the 1510 yes but not the 1205. As far as the KEF vs the 1510 here is a comparison from my Discord: The KF92 is always going to come down to this: if it's output is sufficient for the room it's hard to find a better theater sub regardless of the size. If the output is not sufficient then generally speaking nearly anything larger will be preferable. The 1510 is substantially larger and should have considerably more headroom at all frequencies as well as a larger sense of scale. As far as musical performance I'm actually going to give a slight edge to the REL 1510 as it's leading edges are a little more well defined while the KF92 has more of a softness to its leading edges. Lastly the 1510 has a bit of a heavier tone to it while the KF92 has a slightly lighter tone by direct comparison. If KF92 is between SPL & SQ the 1510 is just a hair over towards the SPL side only due to it's heavier presentation. All other aspects of the 1510 are very SQ. Worth considering is the KF92 employs active DSP meaning as output increases frequency roll off becomes more aggressive while the REL 1510 will be more consistent at higher volumes. Both subs perform well at lower volumes so you certainly can shove a 1510 in a smaller room or a larger room where as KF92 is really for lower volumes or smaller rooms. Hope this helps.

70% HT? The PB2000 pro will have a much stronger and fuller bottom end for theater use and the REL will sound better with music, since you are 70% theater go for the PB2000 pro.

​@@NemoPropaganda Thanks a lot.

using a very crude method of having a dB meter set to C weighted and 2ft from the driver I measured the new 1003 MK2 to have nearly as much output at 30hz (within 2dB) as the old 1205 Mk1 so REL's claim that output has been inmproved considerably is very real.

if you love the sound of your 5x and want more of everything the 9x is the logical upgrade. If you're willing to give up some of the rich tone and nuanced detail in exchange for extension & output the 1205 or 1003 V2 is also a great option.

@@NemoPropaganda Many thanks, T/9x it will be!

I have not heard the S510 yet, have you tried asking REL directly?

I like both subs a lot but I do not feel the 1205 MK2 is an upgrade over the L12 or vice versa, they do sound a little different with the L12 sounding warmer while the 1205 MK2 sounds more dry by direct comparison but they both produce high quality bass and the L12 actually has a bit more extension in it. This is a situation where going manufacturer direct really does save you a few dollars.

why? 1723 1s is double the price and the driver has 36.5% more cone area. I'm not doing that ocmparison. 1723 1S should be compared to Predator 1510 and I've already done that comparison multiple times and its listed in the discord FAQ section.

I have emailed Lenbrook Group (NAD, Bluesound, PSB) numerous times requesting review samples, they simply do not reply. I'm not going to buy something I don't want to own just to review it. That's my answer.

the SB3000 has a more aggressive & heavy tone to it plus that extra inch means it can play louder which makes it killer for movies while the 1205 MK2 has a lighter tone, quicker transients, and better handeling of delicate passages. Both are loved by many but personally I don't like my bass to be too heavy so I prefer the 1205 MK2 however there certainly are those that feel bass should be heavy & dominant and those people may prefer the SB3000.

Hi Tanvir, I have not heard the LV12M but the LV12M is larger and vented. Based on user feedback from my discord I believe the LV12M being larger and vented will play louder and have a stronger bottom end.

@@NemoPropaganda thanks Nemo. So under $1000 (maybe under $800) which one will you recommend over RL HT1205 MKII?

@@justlisten1 i have not heard the LV12m so I can't make a recommendation either way. These two brands make very good subwoofers, I think you will be happy either way. A user in my discord has a pair of LV12M and he made a mini review for them if you want to check that out and ask his opinon :)

@@NemoPropaganda hi Nemo. I am down to REL 1205 MKII or Rythmik L12 for a 14x16 room. I am thinking a pair. which one you recommend?

@@justlisten1 oh man that's a really hard decision, you have narrowed down your choices to two excellent subwoofers. I don't really know if I can be helpful here because I like both subwoofers a lot. Usually in this scenario I suggest you choose based on which subwoofer will look best in your room. Both brands are obsessed with having very good transient respose, great note to note distinction, and fantastic bass fidelity. The biggest difference in sound here is the L12 sounds a little warmer and the 1205 MK2 has a stronger leading edge to its attack.

those are two amazing options and you'll be happy with either one. You gotta just ask yourself if you'd rather have dual subs or a single larger sub. Since both options are going to sound fantastic perhaps consider room decor as a tie breaker.

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks!, I'll go with the Arendal 1723 1S and who knows, maybe I'll try the REL in the future as well.

@@ragkong great chice either way brother, congrats on getting an awesome sub!

@@NemoPropaganda I have ordered a 1723 1S, but one thing I want to be sure of before they send the sub, do the 1723 1S integrate as well as the REL? If the 1723 1S doesn't and I can hear the subwoofer when set at around 60-70hz then I'm gonna have to get 2 1723's and that gets much more expensive, 3200$ for 2x Arendal 1723 1S vs around 2200$ for 2x REL 1205 mk2 here in Norway

@@ragkong hard to answer that question, it's going to depend on your room, rest of your system, and your personal setup skills. The 1723 1S is one of the better integrating subs out there, everyone I know that owns one loves it and was able to get it dialed in perfectly.

The speedwoofer is very good but it cannot compete with anything REL makes in terms of sound quality.

Thanks. Is the gen.1 REL going to cut it

@@39chevyman yes the original 1205 is also very good.

games can have some pretty low freq bass, I'd get the larger T9X for sure. I think you already know the T9X is overkill in a gaming rig but it sounds like the aesthetics are a big factor here and I respect that. If I may suggest also consider a pair of KC62 in white. But if you can fit something bigger a single Arendal 1723 1S would be epic and they come in gloss white. I used one while playing Mass Effect 3 LE and it was awesome! Maybe hop in my free discord and post some pics so we can see what kind of room you're working with: discord.gg/nemopropaganda

@@NemoPropaganda thanks so much man will do

Hey bro that is a very hard question to answer, dual 1205 MKII will have more even bass in the room and sound amazing but a single 1510 will have a much stronger bottom end and a bigger & fuller sense of scale. Both are very capable of awesome music & movie experience it just depends on if you value extension (1510) versus even bass in the room (dual 1205 MKII).

The 1205 MK1 takes an edge with better speed/fidelity and the RSL will play louder and have more authority down low. Both are really great options at their current prices. I think you will be happy with either one give each is priced very well for what it brings to the table. Personally I'd take the 1205 MK1 because I don't need the output of the RSL and would rather have a bit better transient response of the seaeld sub.

Thanks Nemo, I appreciate it!

Yeah I agree, 1723 1S is amazing, I reviewed the 1723 1S a while ago, it's a very good sub and very different from 1961 1S sub but its twice the price of the REL 1205 MK2 in this video so no point in mentioning it.

@@NemoPropaganda of course, thanks again for the good content best reviewers for subwoofers in my opinion

@@andreasmoller9798 that is very kind of you to say, thank you.

Yes! The new MK2 have the clicky knobs :)

The SB3000 is a 13" so it should play louder though I would prefer the bass fidelity of the 1205 MKII. The question for you is do you want the extra output or the better fidelity?

That’s a very good question. Thanks brother. I appreciate your honesty in your videos and response to my question. 🤟🏾✌🏾

Hi bro, yes, you can combine the two (i still have my old one too!) but keep in mind the new version can play louder so if you push the pair to the absolute limit of extension or output the old version will run out of output sooner than the new version.

@@NemoPropaganda thanks man

I would imagine the old version will be discontinued once existing inventory is sold. I have not heard the old 1003 but when speaking to REL they felt the 1003 had the biggest imrpovement from MK1 to MK2 and I am very impressed with the 1003 MK2 so far, it sounds exactly like the 1205 MK2 just a samller sense of scale which is normal when we go down to a smaller size.

@@NemoPropaganda interesting if the improvement was mostly in the output or other area as well. I have read HT/1003 mkII sounds twice as loud compared to the previous version. And 1205 mkII around 50% louder.

Considering that the original HT/1003 already sounds fantastic I would go for a pair instead of one mkII since the specs are the same. It's just a great limited opportunity to buy 2 instead of one for almost the same price.

REL confirmed via email that the mk1 is no longer made.

no, not better, just different. The 2000 pro can play louder and has a heavier tone that's a littl emore aggressive. The 1205 V1 has a lighter tone so its less intrusive and sounds quicker with its transients.

I've never herad the older PB13 but the new HT range is available for demo at many dealers, I'd just go and have a listen.

I can't really answer value based questions. Personally I almost always prefer the newest version of something. I did however recently buy the LG C1 instead of the newer C2 though because the C1 was cheaper.

Well of course the newest version is almost always better and prefered. But is the mkII 1,5 times as good as the mkI if you purely look at sound quality? Because I think maximum output of both will be plenty.

@@brianjanssen1993 The performance of a product rarely scales with price in a 1:1 ratio. The "smart choice" or highest value item often times is the more affordable one but affordability is relative. I have both of them here and they're both fantastic, I don't think you can go wrong either way but if you can swing the extra I think its worth it for the aesthetics alone.

easily buchardt s400 mk2 would be my choice.

Hi chris, if your system is theater first the RS11 is a no brainer at that price, it will offer up tremendously more output overall and have a thicker sounding bottom end for killer room rumble effects. The 1205 MK2 certainly takes the edge in transient response but the RS11 is a bit of a monster. Have you seen my RS11 review?

@@NemoPropaganda I have, I’ve watched both reviews, among others, more times then I’d like to admit. I’ve had my eye on the rs11 even at 1200, so 760 is hard to pass. But then now I see how sexy this new REL is, I guess it’s good to have too many good choices. I think I’m going rs11. I listen to music and watch movies on this system, hard to go wrong I guess. Thinks for the reviews, your awesome.

@@cdelapaz5 yeah, REL always makes some of the best looking subs, if you don't need the output of the RS11 the new 1205 MK2 sound awesome, they're both great at the end of the day really :)

yes, with duals the bass will be more even but its something you only notice when you go back to a single sub so its one of those things where I'd say if you're happy with the single sub keep it that way. Once you open the door to duals you'll initially think it's not that big of a difference until you turn one off and then you wonder how you lived with a single sub for so long. These days I'm airing on the side of "save your money, we're heading into a recession" on a lot of my advice. You have 1 sub, you're happy, no need to open the door of dual subs right now ya know :)

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks, actually duals really don't fit in my space. Have you ever tried running a sub near field? I talked to a head tech guy at JL and he said a sub used coffee table distance solves the problem of room interaction and has physical body shaking feel with a smaller sub.

@@WWeiss-nv5vz yes, my KC62 in my living room is right behind my couch so about 4ft away from me no matter which spot I sit in. I also tested the REL T5X pair flanking my listening chair. I encourage everyone to experiment with such placement as it can really sound great in certain rooms and it's free to test, you might need to order a long cable to try out some locations but a 25ft rca can be found on Amazon for very cheap or you can use something like the REL HT Air. That's what I use in my living room.

@@NemoPropaganda Maybe you should stress this more on your channel? Room treatments for bass/room modes not a consideration/sub crawl for best sub position not necessary. For music only a near field 10" or smaller sub is more than enough output and I believe there would be no need for duals if set up is for one listener in the sweet spot. What benefit if any did you get from a pair of T5X at such close distance? Not sure if these benefits also apply to home theatre applications?

@@WWeiss-nv5vz well, nobody "needs" dual subs :). Running duals will generally sound better though. It's easy to test if you currently have a single sub put it on the opposite side of the room and you'll be shocked how different it sounds and how obviously bass is missing from where it normally comes from. The brain starts to ignore the localization but its still there with a single sub, we just get used to it. Dual subs fix that. But not everyone can have dual subs due the cost or room itself. As far as nearfield sub placement I just did it for fun to see if it would work, I only listened to a few songs and then put the subs back on the main wall except upstairs where my KC62 sits behind the couch but that's a casual TV setup.

I've gotten that question a lot lately, that's a tough question. So I love the MK1 a lot and $599 is a really good price. I'd say it comes down to how much you value that extra $250 and what you think about the aesthetics of the MK1 vs MK2. Either one is really good for its respective price.

Mark 1 is $450 now. 😳

@@Slickman2006 damn, its a no brainer at that point!

I like both, the D110 is very small so get that if size is a concern. The 1205 V2 being larger will have a larger sense of scale so if you size is not an issue I'd go for that. Both are really good.

@@NemoPropaganda thank you. Size is not a concern. Out of two, which would lean towards SQ is the question in my mind. I expect my focal 926 to seamlessly blend with sub.

@@PremKumar-vt1hq 1205 V2 for sure. JL is SPL.

experiment and find out but unless you have a fairly high end AVR the crossover in the REL is most likely better so set your AVR crossover to off or as high as possible then dial in the sub from the plate amps crossover just like REL says.

@@NemoPropaganda thats what I thought. Maybe someone could do a side by side comparison. People assume receievers manage it better but I'm not so sure. Will try. Thanks for the eeply

The emotiva RS13 was $1800 and has been discontinued for a long time, it's also substantially larger and heavier. I don't think REL designed the little 1205 to compete with something so massive. The RS13 was designed to compete with something like the PB4000, total different type of sub than something like the sealed & compact 1205.

@@NemoPropagandaMy plan was to get Rel, however found an Rs13 in the same price range. I know the built is different, even thoug you can seal the port in emotiva. Music/HT 50/50, got space for one big sub. My setup:Paradigm Monitor6000SE front, Atom rear, Center2000. Thanks for your help.

@@Adam-fw6hu I never heard the RS13, only the RS11 but if you need big output that's what the RS13 was all about, you'd probably need 3 1205's to match the output of a single RS13. If you're not hunting bit output and would prefer a smaller form factor the 1205 MK2 is a solid choice so it just depends what you want.

HT1205 MK2 has much better sound quality overall.

Ok thanks 👍

why not dual HT1205 MK1 since they're on clearance?

honestly bro it's like this, the new MK2 is better, it plays louder, has more authority and a little more fidelity. But the old one is awesome too. Unless you need more output I'd keep what you have. The original 1205 is great! I still have mine.

@@NemoPropaganda Your honesty and sincerity make people feel reassured and trustworthy. Please continue on this path! Thank you for being willing to take the time to respond to my messages!

@@Kyle-xz3os thanks man, I'm always happy to help if possible.

they don't respond to my emails.

@@NemoPropaganda oh, I guess their loss, keep up with the awesome reviews

well brother you gotta remember that sunfire sub was $1250 back in 1997 which is about $2200 in todays money. You can't expect to spend less now yet still have a compact sub that is a beastly so you're giving yourself a pretty serious challenge here my bro. Small beastly subs are the most expensive ones. REL is a very popular brand, I suggest you try to demo one first at a local dealer or bestbuy first to make sure it has the output you're looking for. If it doesn't you're going to have to step up your budget or allow for a larger size.

@@NemoPropaganda Honesty is very much appreciated. Dilema is that there is no where to test where I live. I saw your review of the kef kc 62 but I got the feel that a bigger speakers will always be better . If I can find the right sub at the right price then maybe I’m the future I can add a second one … I can also adjust the budget a bit just not sure how much

@@dennischavez2929 KC62 is too small for you bro, you need KF92 minimum but if you're going to spend that much and you want big output might as well go for JL E112, anyway for your budget I think the 1205 MK2 is a very good option and a pair will be even better. If you want one single sub to really push hard the only somewhat smaller yet somewhat affordable option is the Arendal 1723 1S. It's not really small but its shape is unique and should satisfy the wife :)

@@NemoPropaganda Sir, what about 2 SB3000’s? I mean one now an maybe in year another one ? Lol mostly to help with the budget and still eventually get the desired output .

@@dennischavez2929 the 13" driver certainly will play louder and is still fairly compact.

No! This subwoofer does not accept high level input. Contact Rythmik and ask them about their high efficiency speaker option and make sure yout ell them you need high level also. That's the only brand I know of that can accomodate you, expect to pay around $1200.

huh? It has LR RCA inputs. Maybe u misheard me.

Yes you are right.. In the picture in their site it looked like banana plugs.. Thx

I can’t really help with that without knowing your usage case and goals.

@@NemoPropaganda I will be using it in a 9.2 system that's used for movies, gaming, and music. Cosmetically I like the rel better, but basically what I'm wondering is if the rel is going to dramatically outperform the rsl all around, or if its going to be minimal.

​@@coreysimon7235 differences in sound quality are hard to quantify. To me its a pretty big difference.

Hard to say, I have not used totem speakers myself, I would for sure take the marantz out of the chain to rule that out.

Thanks for your quick reply. Yeah, I already decided to use the Marantz for 9.2 surround sound movie nights. I purchased some kick ass gear for my new solid state2 chanel system. I purchased a new Parasound Halo P6 Preamp/DAC, a used classic Parasound. a23 ( John Curl Designed) power amplifier & a nice used,long pair of Transparent Audio BiWire cables. The new gear shipped today. Once my new-to-me is set up...I hope to ferret out what part of my other components are causing the shrill sound in the mid-high & high frequencie.

The problem is definitely not with my Parasound Halo gear. There s I understand is on the warm side of neutral.

@@davidstein9129 could be the room, a bad cable, etc... just use the process of elimination and take your time. You'll get to it eventually. Chasing down gremlins can take time. Just remember it's all supposed to be fun :)

Nemo, I certainly certainly certainly don't want 'to get ahead of my skies' but if it turns out that my Totem speakers are too bright, forward for my taste, can you recommend a few tower speakers that are on the warm side of neutral. Magnepan speakers come to mind but I found their sound to be too warm, lacking a pin point soundstage,amorphous.& a big blob of huge sound.