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Can Linux save this old laptop from obsolescence? 

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Today, I'll be attempting to revive this 16-year-old ThinkPad with Linux. In doing so, I'll try to answer the question: Have computers of this age entered a state of complete obsolescence, or can they still prove useful for everyday tasks when paired with the right operating system?
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@DanielBrotherston
@DanielBrotherston Год назад
Replacing the HDD with an SSD would do far more for performance than the 4GB of ram. That's by far the most important upgrade you can make.
@joelcarson4602
@joelcarson4602 Год назад
I know that most later model Core 2 CPUs had a 8 GB RAM limit, but 8GB and an SSD ( it's a SATA interface, right?) would make it seem modern with the right Linux install.
@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy
The problem is that if you want to go online there is so much bloatware on the web that basically everything eats RAM. I have 32 GB of RAM and with 10-20 tabs open it goes to 90% and sometimes crashes the entire PC on all browsers I tried it's the same. CPU is usually up to around 50% sometimes even 10% while RAM I am afraid that it will fry one day ... Ever since 2019 I kept updating my RAM but what I learned it's useless. There is so much garbage with lots of apps and websites running in background that all act like datamining viruses. Every time I start my PC I waste my time end-tasking bunch of s--t 1st before I can do anything ... Before 2019 I could run everything on a potato PC with just 8GB RAM and SSD. Today it's like I don't have any of that. Even now writing this message stutters like a mofo ... can't keep up with my fast typing at all text on screen lagging behind like crazy.
@HungarianDerrickRose
@HungarianDerrickRose Год назад
@@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy I have like 50 tabs open in Chrome on my 32GB Win10 PC and only 31% of the RAM is consumed - what kind of pages do you keep open to reach 90%?
@HungarianDerrickRose
@HungarianDerrickRose Год назад
So this. Basically I stopped watching the video at the point when he mentioned that he used a traditional HDD although an SSD would have been dirt cheap. Rule #1 with old laptops: get an SSD.
@Winnetou17
@Winnetou17 Год назад
@@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy Dude, something is wrong on your end. Yeah, the web is bloated AF, but what you described is an order of magnitude worse than the norm. 32 GB of RAM is plenty enough for most people. I run multiple browsers at the same time (I'm a web developer), each with dozens of tabs, and still most of the time I'm at 34 GB out of my 64 GB. And I have other programs opened too. And I'm on Windows 10 too!
@nitemanify
@nitemanify Год назад
The keyboards on these were amazing. You could type forever on them and they just felt great. A hidden benefit from older, less powerful hardware is since it's slower, you are limited in your multitasking and are basically forced to focus on what you're doing.
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад
I still use a Thinkpad T22 from around 2003 with a Pentium III CPU running at 700 MHz with 512 MB RAM and an IDE SSD on which Gentoo Linux is installed with an i3 desktop. A couple of times a month, I SSH into my home server to write BASH or Python code with a couple of terminal sessions open, I have my email open in mutt on a second desktop and a console music player going on the third desktop - with overhead left to run a few other things too. It has a great keyboard and it is just a very peaceful and distraction-free way to enjoy my computing occasionally.
@JessicaFEREM
@JessicaFEREM 5 месяцев назад
You can buy a desktop keyboard like the thinkpad, trackpoint and everything, lenovo sells them.
@piked86
@piked86 5 месяцев назад
Best method is to just not install a graphical environment at all. I understand that's not always an option depending on what you're don't ng but if you can do it it's great for avoiding distractions. Second best option is xterm in full screen mode. Alt+Enter and it goes borderless full screen.
@julianstephen1303
@julianstephen1303 Месяц назад
Tiling window manager or compositor helps alpt with multitasking 😊
@purplegill10
@purplegill10 Год назад
I'm beyond thankful for lightweight linux distros because they saved my old 2012 laptop from becoming landfill. I had to move a few years back and I didn't want to rely on my phone all the time for media so I dug up my old inspiron from a decade ago and put in an old cheapo SSD I had lying around. Given that my financial situation collapsed in the 2010s I now can use that laptop as my TV, music player, and even a secondary PC when my friends need tech support. I legit can't imagine life without it and had it not been for enthusiasts' hard work I would've never been able to have the life I have now.
@tomsun3159
@tomsun3159 Год назад
My daily driver is a 2012 T430 3rd gen i7 working perfectly at the same speed as my last company notebook with 8th gen i5 (both 4 cores / 8 Threads), the only benefit of the newer laptop was a better power efficiency. Even the 2nd gen i7 was equally fast, but has worse build in GPU. also the coreduo is working good with enough performance. The biggest problem you have with the old laptops is with the accu (no problem if used with the powerbrick anyway) and perhaps a weak bios battery. Push the RAM to the limit and if possible use a SSD and you will never understand why you needed a "modern" laptop. for 100 to 200$ (including all upgrades like RAM, SSD and 3rd party battery) you will have a powerful notebook with Win7, win 10, Linux or as a hackintosh. Don't forget to update your thermal paste which will be dryed out for sure.
@TheBenSanders
@TheBenSanders Год назад
@purplegill10 hopefully your financial situation is better now!
@lesscommonsense1804
@lesscommonsense1804 Год назад
It’s amazing what an ssd can do
@plasticfoodz6991
@plasticfoodz6991 Год назад
My daily driver is a 2012 T430s 3rd Gen i5 running Windows 10. I also play some games on it too (3d AAA games up until early 2010s), I cap them at 30 fps because it only has integrated Intel HD 4000 graphics.
@jesuschrist2284
@jesuschrist2284 Год назад
Back in two oh one two?
@andrewr7820
@andrewr7820 Год назад
Lots of good lightweight choices out there - Alpine, TinyCore, Slax and many more. It's been fun to watch computing evolve. I started in 1974. Yeah, I'm that old.
@AndrewSchott
@AndrewSchott Год назад
Same here, in fact I still have a C64, 1040ST and a 2600 hooked up and use. Main rig is my RHEL/Fedora dual boot workstation. But those oldies are great. And another fella here that keeps hardware until the magic smoke angel takes it to hardware heaven. Linux and BSD make that possible while still staying current (SSL on ancient OSes is painful to make happen --- looking at you SunOS and Workbench).
@ThePressurizer
@ThePressurizer Год назад
Then I hope you still have an old terminal and some punch cards!
@kamatisjuice
@kamatisjuice Год назад
Exactly what I dream of when I get old, be a tech veteran without losing his touches.
@chris_schenkel
@chris_schenkel Год назад
Pong doesn't count.
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад
You're only a bit older than me - I programmed my first computer back in 1983 on a college day release course with my first job in the telecoms industry. It was assembly language programming on a Z80 CPU. But I did maintain a very creaky DEC PDP-11 running RSX-11 in a customer's call centre for a while!
@skylerric3
@skylerric3 4 месяца назад
My mom absolutely hates it when I try to get these old laptops. She thinks that I have enough of them already. (I have a dell inspiron 1000, an acer nitro 5, and some old broken cromebook) they are super fun to mess with. Especially the inspiron, which was designed to run windows xp. I don't think enough people understand what it means to be a tech enthusiast. It's not all about the high end stuff.
@Pixelblut
@Pixelblut Месяц назад
As a game collector and enjoyer, i can kinda relate
@kelkilkat
@kelkilkat Год назад
What made this video watchable to the end, for me, was the clear, slower talking, instead of the fast talking on most other channels. This is amazing for an older laptop to just use for linux, maybe an SSD would make it even more useful. Great video
@adibemaxwell6111
@adibemaxwell6111 7 месяцев назад
Void Linux is a solid choice. My T420 uses Void Linux and I've never had an issue with it. Ever. Once configured, it just works.
@damientjeh
@damientjeh 4 месяца назад
hows the battery life? im thinking about installing void on my x1 carbon
@adibemaxwell6111
@adibemaxwell6111 4 месяца назад
@@damientjeh Well, this t420 came with an old, original battery and it still holds nearly a 2 hour charge under basic use; watching YT videos and such.
@damientjeh
@damientjeh 4 месяца назад
@@adibemaxwell6111 thats great
@wiosna4
@wiosna4 10 дней назад
@@adibemaxwell6111 if you haven't already, try installing tlp. It might squeeze some more out of it
@emdotrod
@emdotrod Год назад
I just bought the X220 for the price of $15. It's in the rough shape but it's still functional and just needed a keyboard replacement. I put whatever SSD and RAM I have at my disposal and with $30 I have a very functional laptop that I can use whenever I need a Windows/Linux machine (I use Mac as my daily driver). These old computers really don't deserve to be on the e-waste, they just need a better software to keep on chugging.
@nfrcomputers
@nfrcomputers 6 месяцев назад
I just bought a t480 untested for $60. fingers crossed it works. even if it doesn't work it was still worth it, the ram and ssd alone are worth 60
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
The X220 is basically in a perfect spot. in 2011 it already had very modern hardware, supporting modern OSes, but is still a proper business machine that can be user serviced.
@danielshapiro5475
@danielshapiro5475 Год назад
I watched this video and expected to see 500k - 1mil subscribers. Very high quality video and editing. Great job!
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 Год назад
Thnaks!
@benbork9835
@benbork9835 Год назад
This year RU-vid startet to recommend me small channels like these more often and I love it because there are a lot of gems
@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy
Everyone needs to start somewhere also there is the factor of luck too. Years ago I use to be a partner and while YT promised me promotions I got nothing, matter of fact my subs didn't even got notifications of my activities and sometime even crashed the page when they clicked on my video or channel. It's like I was shadow-banned. Other friends reported the same things. To the point all smaller channels basically got erased out of existance. We use to actually make content and got nuked while some reaction bots and other nonsense people were spammed everywhere. YT spammed those more so as bots spammed them too. Most of the channels today that have millions of subs are all thanks to bots and not real people. Usually 100k or even bellow are people the other numbers are bots and or dead accounts. The view counts are also fake.
@piratasdecordoba
@piratasdecordoba Год назад
I would also like to mention Puppy Linux. It is available as 64 and 32 Bit version and runs fine on almost any old hardware, e.g. on the small netbooks with Intel Atom CPU and 1 or 2 GB of RAM, which are otherwise almost useless today. Use it on my Lenovo Ideapad S10 with a 256GB SSD and it works perfect.
@Flash1857
@Flash1857 Год назад
Agree, Puppy Linux runs on lots of older hardware
@MetalTrabant
@MetalTrabant 7 месяцев назад
Tried Puppy on an old Asus EeePC, and while it worked from a USB, it didn't when I installed it for some reason. Had to find a lightweight homebrew XP for that one...
@patw1687
@patw1687 Год назад
I upgraded a 16 or 17-year-old Dell. I replaced the hard drive with an SSD and upgraded the RAM to 4G. It's running the standard Linux Mint, and it runs quite well. Thanks for the video.
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад
Absolutely. If you can pick up and old Core 2 Duo machine from 2006-2007-ish with a 64-bit CPU with 4GB RAM and an SSD containing Linux, it can be a perfectly viable daily driver machine.
@lauriroberts322
@lauriroberts322 7 месяцев назад
can you tell me how to upgrade my 2007 Dell Vostros 1500 with an SSD?
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
@@lauriroberts322 you take out the old drive and put in the new one. Obviously assuming it uses SATA, which is most likely.
@imantakakaka5000
@imantakakaka5000 Год назад
I'm using windows 7 pro for my acer aspire 4920g from 2007 ,,, it still running web browsing very well and also old triple A games like max payne 2 , farcry , also fallout 3 but with way down settings ,, i'm in the third world country,, so electronics doesn't come cheap,, we get by with old electronics 😊
@gattiger91
@gattiger91 Год назад
Thanks for doing this. It’s nice to see getting more use of older hardware and keeping it out of landfills.
@5argetech56
@5argetech56 Год назад
In 2013 I got an Acer C710 Chrome book. I flashed the bios with seabios. Installed a 500 gigabyte Samsung Evo 960 Sata SSD, 6 gigs of ram. I use Bodhi Linux, with the Moksha desktop environment. Still using it in 2023. ♥️😊
@TinkerCrunch
@TinkerCrunch Год назад
There is something so satisfying about these very simple and casual videos that is just so bingeable!
@staterbrosmilk
@staterbrosmilk Год назад
I have one of these I use fairly frequently, personally im running mint on an ssd. The 4:3 aspect ratio makes it ideal for torrenting old anime and cable shows. It also proved a novel way of experiencing the SM64 PC Port. As you mentioned they work quite well for schoolwork. Glad to see some appreciation for these old machines
@escapetherace1943
@escapetherace1943 Год назад
I also have an oldass thinkpad for watching vintage anime it's so cozy, I happened to give it an IPS screen and while my modern laptop's color destroys it, the thinkpad is still great even though it's ancient
@youreyesarebleeding1368
@youreyesarebleeding1368 Год назад
I use rtorrent on one of my Thinkpads and basically use it as a seedbox in addition to just being a home server. I've never tried watching anything on it, because the display is quite bad, but is possible to upgrade. So, typically I just download stuff to it, seed for a while, and clone it to my main PC when I want to watch it. Do you have to worry about what torrents you download? I'm surprised that Thinkpad T-61 can handle the codec, will it work with h264 in standard def? What happens if you try to watch something like a 720p or a 1080p video in h264? I'm guessing h265 is likely out the window; although most of these old shows and DVD rips probably aren't in h265.
@escapetherace1943
@escapetherace1943 Год назад
@@youreyesarebleeding1368 idk man mines a 220, plenty of power to render 1080p video
@rubyvolt
@rubyvolt Год назад
I just put Linux on an old 3rd gen CORE Pentium laptop with 8GB. It is doing great at college for the web based stuff he has to do.
@andrewr7820
@andrewr7820 Год назад
The old Thinkpads had several standout features that still, to this day don't seem to have been emulated by other laptop makers: - Indestructible hinge design. Never breaks away from the base of the case. Screen stays in the position you adjust it to. - Pointing stick. I hate touchpads, then because they were garbage and now because I have a hand tremor. - Exterior of the case had a "rubberized" texture which made it easier to hang on to and less prone to skate off a surface to certain damage on impact. - Reasonable keyboard design. My 2cents anyway.
@sp0el
@sp0el Год назад
The problem with rubberized texture is that after a decade or so it gets all sticky. Not sure about ThinkPads, though, I had a Dell with that problem. Awful.
@collodionpositive554
@collodionpositive554 Год назад
Was a massive fan of the pointing stick on Thinkpads, but the trackpad on modern MacBooks is a winner, large surface and super accurate. Haven't seen anything come close on non-Apple laptops though. Even use the external trackpad on desktop over a traditional optical mouse now. The texture on Thinkpads holds smells really easily, which can be an issue with the used market of Thinkpads, very easy to tell if a previous owner was a smoker.
@sarkybugger5009
@sarkybugger5009 Год назад
@@sp0el I have an IBM Thinkpad from 1998, and two Lenovo T420s from 2012, and none of them suffer from the sticky coating syndrome. I have plenty of other devices that _do_ suffer from it...
@sp0el
@sp0el Год назад
@@sarkybugger5009 Good to hear that IBM/Lenovo have some magic ingredient in their formula then. Some models still suffer from the stickness, as quick google search shows, though. And some people on YT use magic erasers and polish to restore their laptops. Didn't think about doing that for my Dell.
@rawmaterials3909
@rawmaterials3909 Год назад
I have a 15+ years old all-in-one pc with approximately the same specs. It uses manjaro kde with no problems. Plasma KDE uses up approx. 700 Mb. My mother used it for work and web browsing for more than 10 years. She even records audio with USB DaC and microphone. That's the magic of Linux. But Linux is not only for old pc revivals. Try it on newer hardware and it becomes a blast.
@myfranci560
@myfranci560 Год назад
How can you watch RU-vid😅.
@rawmaterials3909
@rawmaterials3909 Год назад
@@myfranci560 ??
@myfranci560
@myfranci560 Год назад
@@rawmaterials3909 ur so is lighter than youtube lol
@rawmaterials3909
@rawmaterials3909 Год назад
@@myfranci560 ... and?
@UNSCPILOT
@UNSCPILOT Год назад
My Desktop PC with a Ryzen 5800x, a Radeon 5700XT, 32gigs of RAM, and 14TB in assorted SSDs and HDDs has been running Garuda Linux for well over a year and I absolutely love it, haven't bothered to open Windows 10 on the small old SSD it's still installed to for more than a few minutes just to convert a few files and swap back. Heck, I've enjoyed it so much I have Garuda XFCE running on my 2013 Laptop and even that old underpowered thing runs like a charm. I've had a handful of issues over my time as a new Linux user but nothing that I couldn't overcome with a little searching and patience, and were mostly brought on by user error, having backups accessible from the Grub bootloader has helped massively for this too as I can be back up and running to the point right before my mistake in less than 5 minutes which saves mountains of frustration I would have needed to deal with on Windows including but not limited to a full re-install
@vha1207
@vha1207 Год назад
I really like this form factor, I wish laptop manufacturers made more like it. The closest things I can find on the market today are 3:2 ultrabooks but these always lack ports and are not upgradeable.
@Moechella444
@Moechella444 Год назад
I love how Void is slowly becoming the new Arch.
@gospodnchovek
@gospodnchovek 8 месяцев назад
Don't underestimate that laptop when you slap an ssd inside, friends. I finished Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines on it(yes with some trouble), played HoMaM3 on Mint Cinnamon and streamed 720p with no issues, used it for diagnostics, scripting, etc. Even did some hacking on it with Parrot OS. Now i use it to remote to my desktop and stream some games with Moonlight when I'm not at home.
@JB-wi7kr
@JB-wi7kr Год назад
I wish that Lenovo (or anyone) would make new computers just like this.
@youreyesarebleeding1368
@youreyesarebleeding1368 Год назад
It depends on what aspects about the computer you like, but Framework makes a good laptop. You can swap the ports out on the side, it's very easy to repair and all replacement parts are available, and they released full board schematics as well as 3D prints so you could give the laptop mobo new life as a SFF desktop. They're coming out (or perhaps already released, I'm not up to date) with a new model that has 6 expansion ports, plus an additional large one on the back that could be used to install a GPU, more Battery, more Storage, or anything. There is also a third-party scene around making expansion cards for the laptop.
@chadmasta5
@chadmasta5 Год назад
They do. Business laptops (like this one used to be) are very upgradable and use modern hardware. They're really expensive though just like this would have been when it came out.
@MJ_M
@MJ_M Год назад
You really don't value a portable laptop being thin and light? Or the 16:9 aspect ratio?
@Lolwutfordawin
@Lolwutfordawin 7 месяцев назад
@@youreyesarebleeding1368 only having 4 ports on the framework is very limiting, my old 12" ThinkPad has 3usb 3.0, Displayport, VGA (that can go), Ethernet (surprisingly useful when working with routers and old tech as I do occasionally) a card reader and charge port, plus another 3 usb ports thru an expresscard expansion module. If someone came up with a dual USB A or C expansion card I'd be a lot happier with the framework concept, but it seems they sized it just barely too small for that :(
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
@@MJ_M There are other things besides watching movies on it.
@ThePuuFa
@ThePuuFa Год назад
These really were awesome machines and fun to mod too! My wife is still using my old X61s that I modded back in the day with a beautiful 1400x1050 IPS screen, a hidden dip switch under the battery to overclock the FSB from 200MHz to 266MHz when required, a modded BIOS to enable full SATA2 speed among other things and the usual upgrades like a SSD and 6GB of RAM (8GB would be the max). The most important upgrade (at least back then) IMHO was the screen because the original 1024x768 TN panel was an absolute deal breaker since I actually had to get some work done on it. The upgraded screen came from a X60 tablet and even to this day it looks just amazing :)
@fridaycaliforniaa236
@fridaycaliforniaa236 Год назад
I still have my old Asus EeePC 904HD. It's slow asf but I put Xubuntu on it and it helps me wherever I go to fix other computers problems. It also serves me as a spare PC if I do something stupid with my main PC. I'm not a fan of Linux (way too complicated for me, I'm a Windows guy) but I have to admit it's very light and ultra stable. Perfect for what I do with it =)
@CosmicRider555
@CosmicRider555 Год назад
I just recently helped a customer with a Dell Mini 2012 he had lying round. Single core cpu, 1 GB ram and 160 GB mechanical sata hdd. He just needed something to browse the web with and maybe watch RU-vid with. After all the testing I've done in VirtualBox I decided on Bodhi Linux. It exceeded my expectations once we actually installed it on his machine. Would recommend. I think it would run even better on your thinkpad.
@l3lue7hunder12
@l3lue7hunder12 Год назад
I like using Lubuntu for these cases. It's current version is 23.04, based on Lunar Lobster, and uses the LXQt desktop. Also, it is well known that we hardly need current CPU performance for simple office applications, which is what gave birth to the Intel N* and *U CPUs that essentially are stealthy time traveling devices bringen the user back to the mid 2000's.
@oldtwinsna8347
@oldtwinsna8347 Год назад
The N95/N100 are about equal in performance to the I7-3770 from 2012.
@l3lue7hunder12
@l3lue7hunder12 Год назад
​@@oldtwinsna8347 Close to the i7-3770T, yes. But it was launched Q1'23 which means we are talking -11 years here. An example for 2005 would be the Intel Core Duo T2050, or 2008 the Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 - 255/342 to 1191/1237 CPU Mark. Intel sold that level of total performance until 2014 with the Intel Pentium N3520, and single thread performance until 2017 with the Intel Pentium Silver N5000. Another example of that range is 2015's "Intel Core i3-5010U" . That is 7 to 9 years back in time, and I am even ignoring the Celerons and Atoms there - New CPUs intentionally on the very low performance end ( and using misleading names hiding the fact on top of things ).
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
LXDE/LXQt and xfce are indeed incredibly lightweight, but still feature rich. Some of the ultra light environments take out so much, that it becomes hard to use them as daily driver.
@aisle9
@aisle9 Год назад
I've got an X61 Tablet that I absolutely refuse to part ways with. It's a slightly slower T7700 CPU, but getting it to 6GB of RAM and a 240GB SSD turned it into something that can, like you said, really easily beat the plague of N4020-based 11.6" members of the Future e-waste of America Society. I've used a debloated Windows 10 on it successfully, but settled on Mint XFCE for the reasons you described, although I am kind of tempted to dig it out and give Void a shot now. That bump to 6GB was pricey, around $25 for a 4GB DDR2 SODIMM, but the added headroom was worth every penny. That's really what made Windows 10 usable.
@_sneer_
@_sneer_ Год назад
I’ve had an ASUs 11.6 N4020 laptop for about a year and a half now. It has some sort of Windows on a emmc but it is upgradable with NVME. I popped in some generic 256GB NVME and ran Kali Linux on it for over a year, but recently changed to Devuan and couldn’t be happier. Battery lasts for about 10h when I just browse internet and use it for programming and server maintenance via ssh. It is not my only computer, so for gaming or compiling I can use my i5-13600kf based PC. For the rest the N4020 is fine.
@FailSonOfAnarchy
@FailSonOfAnarchy Год назад
Obsolete after 16 years? I'm sorry, I thought this was America.
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад
Windows 10 is not usable. An OS that requires you to check and possibly re-enter your settings every time a Microsoft update is forced upon you is not one you can trust. Instead of fighting against Windows to de-bloat it, your time would be much better spent learning more about Linux.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
@@terrydaktyllus1320 How well is support for BattlEye and EAC nowadays?
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 5 месяцев назад
@@HappyBeezerStudios I've no idea what BattlEye is, I've never used it and therefore it's unimportant in my computer world to the point where I don't plan on spending time doing "homework" to find out what it is. If you want a better response to that part of the question then you'll need to provide more detail. The only "EAC" I know of is "Exact Audio Copy" which was a freeware tool that I used many years ago to rip CDs into FLAC format on Windows. I no longer use Windows and therefore don't use this tool either - there are perfectly good tools on Linux which do the same thing. Again, if that's not what you meant by "EAC" then you'll have to improve your communication skills and explain yourself better if you want more definitive and accurate responses from me. Over to you...
@kgbfromwish
@kgbfromwish Год назад
idk why but since 2023 youtube started recommend me small youtuber and im glad of that, there is lot of good little youtuber like you, also im watching you on a linux mint, 13years old laptop (originally 2gb ram upgraded to 4) with intel pentium t4500 x), well thanks for this quality video, i hope you get a lot of subscriber, you already get me with this video ;)
@afriquelesud
@afriquelesud 6 месяцев назад
I had used an old Acer Travelmate from 2005 until early 2024, 150GB HDD, 2GB RAM, Celeron dual-core 1.67GHz CPU, as my mail mule, running MX Linux 32-bit without a problem. Until the keyboard malfunctioned.
@rodrigosoares1376
@rodrigosoares1376 Год назад
I still using my old PC with a i3 3220, 8gbs of ram and a intel hd 2500. On windows the performance is not that good, so I've been using linux exclusively for few years now. Today I use Window Managers(Wayland compositors) and the experience and performance are amazing for such an old hardware. I recently installed cachyos and it made watching videos on youtube a lot better with less cpu usage, something that I could never figure it out how to make it work under vanilla arch even though I follow carefully the wiki. About gaming, I been recently doing a lot of retro gaming with retroarch and the performance its good on the majority of cores available, except PS2 core, but some games do work using the PCSX2 emulator.
@0w3nn
@0w3nn 7 месяцев назад
Weird, a computer with any i3 should run great on Windows 10. Have you tried an SSD?
@jothain
@jothain Год назад
One things is very crucial to understand regarding hardware. You absolutely cannot compare computers from different era. For instance if you say 15 years old top of the line processor X is on par as model entry level model Y from like two years ago. They can be comparable when measuring some direct calculation based with some benchmark program etc. HOWEVER things can turn completely around if comparing for instance playing RU-vid videos. Now that couple year old entry level model can do playback possibly with like 5% processor load on 4K 60hz where older X model could struggle to run even 1080p 30Hz video. This is where many processor features come in and if someone is wondering why that example I just mentioned is possible if processors are essentially same when comparing calculation vise. But this newer model can easily support hardware encoding. This is very critical to understand when wondering why some older hardware seems to struggle with seemingly trivial task. Like that Chromebook in video can easily playback pretty much every single media without issues, where the old X61 absolutely can't. Don't get me wrong, I use a lot of old and new hardware and in many cases old hardware can do all the necessary stuff. But you can easily run into seemingly odd performance issues.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
They might have similar performance for some tests, but add tasks that make use of newer instructions and the things change quickly. Same with video decoding.
@Bareego
@Bareego 3 месяца назад
sometimes you can cheat a bit, eg with h264ify plugin for youtube videos, often helps with older video hardware
@reynoldsVincent
@reynoldsVincent Год назад
Yeah great video and more testing than usual. I find collecting old ThinkPads is addictive and the most interesting ones, certainly the best keyboards, are on the older ones. They also have a fascinating design history throughout, even the later Lenovo ThinkPad products which continue high-quality design not always found on their other lines. After using SSDs for a few years I find mechanical drives more reliable if not too worn. Windows 10 is not too bad on some of the 2012-era ThinkPads. I have also tried the desktop ThinkCentres but they aren't as durable as the ThinkPads.
@Xorgic_
@Xorgic_ Год назад
Void is one of my all time favorite distros, love that sudo xbps-install. Great video!
@cfg83
@cfg83 Год назад
Great video! My friend taught me to make sure these oldies but goodies have 2+ cores for decent performance and you mentioned that right off the bat. My first choice for an older computer is Bodhi Linux because of it's EFL (Enlightenment Foundation Libraries) pedigree. Max out the RAM+SSD and you're good to go!
@MegaTerryNutkins
@MegaTerryNutkins Год назад
I'm still using an HP NC6400 as my workbench laptop - it works, has a 900p panel for displaying schematics and YT videos and more importantly still works fine despite leading a tough life. With a lightweight distro the T2500, ATI X1300, 4gb ram and SSD are plenty fast enough.
@nacroni
@nacroni Год назад
It's crazy as hell to see that you have only 706 subscribers! This feels back at home, with a ton of the good ol' tech essay videos about old tech being used in nowaday purposes, and it's shocking to see that you're so underrated!
@NeverlandSystemZor
@NeverlandSystemZor Год назад
Linux put new life into my 2011 MacBook Pro that FINALLY in late 2022 stopped getting security updates and started to not be able to update LibreOffice or Firefox. It is AMAZING what Linux can make useable... I have a laptop that came with VISTA running Linux for the kids and playing retro games and it works actually really well for that and basic web browsing.
@0w3nn
@0w3nn 7 месяцев назад
You don't even need linux. Windows 10 runs just fine on these laptops.
@ltxr9973
@ltxr9973 Год назад
I still use a T420 (with a SSD). Perfectly fine for all my mobile computing needs, for more demanding tasks I'd want to use a desktop PC anyway. It doesn't even feel slow, XFCE runs great.
@johnmadison3472
@johnmadison3472 Год назад
I have a T420 and the keyboard is awesome. I wish Lenovo hadn't switched to the chicklet design.
@ltxr9973
@ltxr9973 Год назад
@@johnmadison3472 That's true, the keyboard feels great, not nearly as fatiguing as modern style laptop keyboards. Sometimes I feel like modern laptops are too thin and elegant for their own good. Many have heat and battery issues.
@pot3to444
@pot3to444 Год назад
Haha yeah. I have a t430s and its great. I even dock it to use as a desktop. Cinnamon is fine on it and its what I'm currently using but I may switch to xfce just out of preference.
@Torpid_2k08
@Torpid_2k08 7 месяцев назад
This is such a good video My parents actually gave me an old toshiba satellite from 2007 with the same cpu as this think pad. This video has given me the inspiration to upgrade it and run link on it to do some typing and som programming
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 7 месяцев назад
Awesome!
@Seacat17
@Seacat17 Год назад
Linux is beautiful both for old and new machines. I have a laptop w/ Ryzen 5 5600H and 16 GB of DDR4 and this bad guy was CHOKING in Windows bloat. Have Arch on it now.
@Mad-Coo
@Mad-Coo 7 месяцев назад
T61, 8gb, 128gb, win11, usb2x3, usb3x4, the usb3 speed is 150mbps via express card, T9500cpu. Working perfectly, task manager always on to monitor cpu usage, handles everything very very well.
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 7 месяцев назад
Wow you maxed that thing out
@Mad-Coo
@Mad-Coo 7 месяцев назад
@@liamjewell62 it's great for web browsing and playing movies etc, it's not very powerful compared to modern ThinkPads but it's really special in looks and in use, the SSD was the biggest upgrade, boots windows 11 in seconds.
@Webnotized227
@Webnotized227 Год назад
I still use my Inspiron N4110 running windows 7 as my daily. I don't do much more than use it as a TV running you tube 90+% of the time, but it's still quicker than my wife's windows 10 laptop, and plays you tube videos over HDMI without skipping unlike my kids windows 11 laptop.
@meowwcat12
@meowwcat12 Год назад
Great video man this quality is what id expect from a channel with 2 mil subs
Год назад
I installed Linux Mint 21 (2022 version) on a laptop made in 2006. Fortunately, the laptop had 4Gb Ram, SATA, and Gigabit LAN. The only upgrade required was a SSD. Linux Mint installed and updated like a dream. Job done 10/2022.
@noctarin1516
@noctarin1516 8 месяцев назад
Love the vid. Concise, straight to the point, and everything is clearly explained and elaborated upon. Love, from a 2012 Dell.
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 8 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@laurencejohnson4106
@laurencejohnson4106 Год назад
A well presented video!👍👍Perhaps you could install an SSD., and make another video which shows how much the performance has improved. Linux Mint Mate version is my daily driver and I often restore and upgrade older computers and Linux gives them a whole new lease of life.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
It shouldn't really do much with actual performance, but help a lot with perceived performance. GIMP won't apply filters faster, but it will launch and load images faster. Games won't reach higher fps, but navigating the file system will be much snappier.
@christeschke9844
@christeschke9844 Год назад
Debian install, will allow you to choose your desktop environment. I have that on my 2gb Lenovo Celeron Laptop. Just use it for general internet browsing. And some python scripting.
@PeBoVision
@PeBoVision Год назад
I have a zero % attention span, but I always watch good content to the end to give the channel an analytics boost. I have a 25 year old HP/Compaq "laptop" with a "Made for Windows Vista" sticker. (The sticker no longer matches the OS). I autoboot into an Atari ST emulator, and use it as a16 bit gaming computer. It's a Core 2 Duo with 4GB of memory (DDR2, so going to 8bg is out of my snack bracket - at $200 to $500 for an 8GB kit.) but it works fine for emulating a 68000 based system. I never throw out old tech, India already has enough of our tech-waste (and the associated health issues effect us all). I always find good reasons to keep stuff. Hell, I still have my very first computer (a TI-99/4A purchased in 1982!) Gets booted up at least a couple times a week. Thrusting obsolescence on things that no longer suit their original build purpose, is a deficit of the imagination. (Pushing 70 myself, so that has particular personal relevance)
@weewaapharmacy
@weewaapharmacy 11 дней назад
Fav on the TI was space invader & parsec.
@PeBoVision
@PeBoVision 11 дней назад
@@weewaapharmacy Today, thanks to a prolific Homebrew community we have a Zaxxon that is absolutely indistinguishable from the arcade, a platable Super Mario Brothers demo that matches level one of the Nintendo original, and an Alex Kidd clone that could be playing on a Sega. A couple weeks ago Ghostbusters was released rivaling the C64 and Atari versions. Yup, TI Invaders and Pasec were amazing, but the story continues...
@mek54
@mek54 Год назад
I can't believe you don't even have a thousand subscribers! I really liked this video. Subscribed
@chesshooligan1282
@chesshooligan1282 Год назад
If you get yourself a T60, it comes with an IPS screen, which was superior to the screens that came with Thinkpads for the next 10 or 12 years, until a few years back Lenovo had to re-introduce the IPS screens by popular demand. The T61 already came with a crap screen. I'm not sure about the X61, but I don't think it's an IPS. The problem with the T60 is the motherboard limits you to 3 GB of memory, even if you install 4, and even if it's a 64-bit architecture. So your choice is between the 60s with a nice screen but limited to 3 GB of memory, or the 61s, with an inferior screen but more memory. If you're a real Thinkpad enthusiast, you can make yourself a Frankenpad, which is a hybrid between the T60 and T61, with the benefits of both. You will also want to update the BIOS to the Middleton BIOS, which removes the original BIOS's wi-fi card whitelist, allowing you to install a modern wi-fi 6 card. Suitable T61 motherboards are extremely rare and hard to find, though. Not sure they're worth the money unless you're addicted to the Thinkpad keyboard and screen (like I am).
@DerkerBluer
@DerkerBluer Год назад
Loved the video! Great work!
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 Год назад
Glad you liked it and thanks!
@jawjuk
@jawjuk Год назад
Great video of a valuable project. Old Lenovo ThinkPad bricks just can't be beat!
@edmund9492
@edmund9492 Год назад
I'm still using R61 for internet (except streaming movies) and programming. Max 4GB RAM, SSD and new battery. SSD gave huge boost. OS is loading in 30s. Before, it was 1m30s. Still it can play movies in 720p and MP4 from SSD in 1080p.
@Rusikulya
@Rusikulya 7 месяцев назад
What OS do you use? I also have a dead R61 and am considering to restore it
@stevejohnson1321
@stevejohnson1321 Год назад
Helps a lot that this is 64-bit. You can run Debian on something older, but browsers etc. ore limited for 32-bit.
@calicomorgan2408
@calicomorgan2408 7 месяцев назад
Really great video. The part comparing decade old laptops to Chromebooks is great. Chromebooks feel like products made just to end up in a landfill within five years. I have a windows surface laptop 2 that I recently put Mint on because windows was bloating way too much and was behaving very poorly. For a completely unupgradeable laptop, it's the best way to keep it alive for a much longer time.
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 7 месяцев назад
Yeah. As my friend pointed out recently though, Chromebooks are gonna play a much bigger role in the future of computing whether we like it or not since some many things are moving towards being web-based these days.
@sp0el
@sp0el Год назад
Always fun to bring some new life to an old machine. I often have some old laptops around - been using a C2D laptop for a while during the lockdowns. Lubuntu, libre office, 720p RU-vid and emulation up to the first PlayStation is plenty of activities! Worked with 1080p monitor without any problems. I also revieved 2nd gen i5 Sony VAIO with Mint XFCE not so long ago. Now it is a web browsing and writing machine for an aspiring poet. Obviously, most of these things are only worth it if you got the laptop for free, as 100$ can get you a postleasing Ryzen 2300U/3300U (so, 4 cores, pretty powerful Vega iGPU) ThinkPad with 8GB RAM. And there is no upgrade to an old C2D laptop that can beat that, no matter the budget :) Multiple generations of dual core i5 laptops are even cheaper. Dual booting an older Windows (for x86 retro gaming compatibility) and modern light Linux distro (for safe web experience) might be a fun use case for a C2D laptop like that.
@nezatrebovan
@nezatrebovan Год назад
Can you clarify what C2D means?
@sp0el
@sp0el Год назад
@@nezatrebovan Sure! Core 2 Duo - an older type of Intel CPU, popular over a decade ago. Thinkpad from the video uses one as well, a C2D T8100. New CPUs are not only faster, but sometimes support different instructions sets or lack proper drivers for older operating systems. So some software is easier to run on older CPUs. For example Ryzen CPUs officially only support Windows 10 and newer (aside for Linux, obviously).
@64timothy121
@64timothy121 Год назад
Nice quality video! Welcome back!
@forgottencameras
@forgottencameras Год назад
The displays on these older laptops are also sometimes better looking than those of sub-$200 laptops. I have a Vaio from 2002 that I use for period correct photo editing using cameras from that era, and the built-in display, while only being 1024x768, looks far better than the cheap panels used on low-end Chromebooks and S-mode machines. In computer sales, I order refurbished business computers for customers over letting them walk out with ultra-cheap new laptops. They are just...bad. Really bad. I'll usually put them with 6th or 7th gen Intel machines, though you can comfortably go back to 2nd gen and be good to go in Win10 for most tasks (good rec on the X220).
@clavius5734
@clavius5734 Год назад
The displays on business laptops are generally a letdown, especially for this vintage. Although nice high-res options exist, companies used to default to the cheapest TN garbage on offer. I have a X61s which is a nice machine, but I never use it for its awful, dim, 1024x768 screen.
@DustinKleiboer
@DustinKleiboer Год назад
My man really hit up the Three Mile Incident as a test 🤯🤯🤯
@virtualinsanity7791
@virtualinsanity7791 3 месяца назад
idk if you read this but a channel called TekDoze stole this video.
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 3 месяца назад
Thanks for letting me know. I licensed it as creative commons, so it's technically fair game, but I'll ask him to take it down
@AleksiJoensuu
@AleksiJoensuu 10 месяцев назад
SSDs all day. Especially on older thinkpads where you don't even need to open the machine to swap the old HDD. I've used my old Thinkpad T61 with an SSD and Lubuntu and it was fine. Even trusted it enough to do my school entrance exams with it a couple years back. I did also increase RAM to 4Gb, but I believe the SSD was a much more impactful upgrade. Unfortunately the Thinkpad's fan gave up the ghost last year. Amazingly, you can still buy them new - but they cost more than a complete second used T61 :D
@cevmantius
@cevmantius Год назад
Thinkpads and linux. My fav duo!
@hvanmegen
@hvanmegen Год назад
Agreed.. mine too :)
@SantiagoSalse
@SantiagoSalse Год назад
Thanks! First time seeing your videos and has a short, precise, calm environment Real life tests, real life use cases, not only based on using 100% of power all the time Subscribed!
@Engiduck
@Engiduck Год назад
I think mobile core 2 duos are socketed so it may be possible to upgrade it slightly. And it may have an express or pc card slot or maybe you could use the wifi card slot
@SebisRandomTech
@SebisRandomTech Год назад
They’re socketed on thicker machines like the T61, but the X series has always had soldered CPUs.
@monochrome_linux
@monochrome_linux Год назад
@@SebisRandomTech yo even sebi is here! nice!
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
The T7100 in it came on socket P and FCBGA6. The first is socketed and replacable, the latter is soldered. But the X61 has two miniPCI express slots and a CardBus slot. There are even official wifi cards for it. Two of them even offering 802.11n Looking at the thinkpad wiki, there are BIOS mods that allow SATA 2 speed (which is there hardware-wise, but disabled by software), a CPU pinmod that allows up to 3.6 GHz (by running 266 MHz/1066 MT instead of 200 MHz/800 MT FSB) and one person even soldered a T9500 into it.
@yade1234
@yade1234 4 месяца назад
This thing is the ideal low end programming needed for IOT or any sort of Arduino programming, I was thinking of getting something like a t420 or X220, but this video convinced me that even a good old X61 can get the work done, this one goes to my electronics bench, all for the 4:3.
@alessandromauri93
@alessandromauri93 Год назад
"Better keyboard " I quote this so much! I sadly moved to a Chromebook from a Thinkpad T430 so I felt really the difference. I definitely took the Chromebook as a daily drive just for it's weight and better battery life (and the usb-c charger, but someone told me you can find adapters for most of the barrel jacks)
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад
Chrome OS, like Google Android, just turns a portable computing device into a surveillance tool for Google.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
Something I noticed with old laptops as well. Was setting up two old machines, a Dell Latitude from 2001 and an Inspiron from ca 2005, and the Latitude had the better keyboard and better display even after so many years of use. (Sadly it's other specs make it more than obsolete) Truly shows how well built those old business machines were.
@abyssalproductions0
@abyssalproductions0 Год назад
I found an old Sony Vaio laptop from 2007 with an OEM edition of Vista. Installed a 32x Linux distro called Antix and now it works quite well. You can very easily breathe new life into these older PCs with Linux
@0w3nn
@0w3nn 7 месяцев назад
You don't even need linux. Windows 10 runs just fine on these laptops.
@chovekb
@chovekb 7 месяцев назад
@@0w3nn BS.
@0w3nn
@0w3nn 7 месяцев назад
@@chovekb what are you calling BS?
@mathman0569
@mathman0569 Год назад
I used to use a laptop like that for a while, and it only had one GB of ram the three adtional GBs really helped it
@dingokidneys
@dingokidneys Год назад
I have two old Dell Inspirion 1525's from about 2008 which run modern Linux fine. One runs Linux Mint XFCE and the other runs Kali (again XFCE) without problems. I did replace the HDDs with SDDs in both to get a bit more pep out of them and I upgraded the memory of one from 2Gb to 4Gb from another old dead laptop. Good experiences had for undemanding workloads.
@epyonjan
@epyonjan Год назад
Until recently, I was daily driving this exact laptop at my work as a research assistant. i went for a used 128GB SSD, and a ghost-spectre Windows 10 install. It surprisingly does well to process documents, edit excel sheets, and even some slight multitasking (I used an external monitor for dual screen use.). it is still running, but the screen gave up, so will leave it on hand until I can repair it. (it has sentimental value.) just don't expect modeling and the like with it.
@macblink
@macblink 6 месяцев назад
So cool when Linux brings back decades old laptops/pcs, back to life, making them snappy fast again.. until you open the web browser 😅
@harshbarj
@harshbarj Год назад
The core 2 line is still highly usable. I have a desktop and a laptop that are of this line. I also have a core 2 quad that can give even 1st and second gen i5 systems a challenge. Till we hit the point that software needs something in the instruction set not found in this chip (like what happened to the Pentium 3 line several years ago), for basic single tasks they will be just fine.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
The 1st gen Core i weren't really faster CPU wise, the changes were mostly in the frontend. I also have a Core 2 era machine, but with a Xeon and oc'ed to 4.1 GHz and that can even keep up with the smaller 2nd gen i5
@Vitor-vy4dy
@Vitor-vy4dy 8 дней назад
I'm still using my 2013 HP laptop on Arch to this day. But it is considerably more powerful than those laptops you showed on the video. I love how Linux systems still support many cases of older hardware, keeping it relevant to the modern age. In fact, the only thing really keeping these machines "obsolete" is bloated modern web desig making even simple websites require lots of computing power unnecessarily.
@DeirdreYoung1
@DeirdreYoung1 Год назад
I had good results with antiX Linux running IceWM on a similar old LG laptop - it feels a little bare but it works fine. I even added xfce4-power-manager to dim the screen :)
@ozzyp97
@ozzyp97 Год назад
AntiX is awesome, it's just about the only thing capable of making old Atom powered netbooks somewhat responsive.
@jimcabezola3051
@jimcabezola3051 Год назад
Watched this on a 2011 Mac Mini with an i5-2415M Core 2 Duo running Debian at 2.9Ghz (according to neofetch...). I thoroughly enjoy using this machine nearly every day. Another computer saved from the e-waste pile.
@0w3nn
@0w3nn 7 месяцев назад
How can it have an i5 and a Core 2 duo at the same time? Is it a dual CPU motherboard? It can't be, it's a Mac and they use different sockets.
@jimcabezola3051
@jimcabezola3051 7 месяцев назад
@@0w3nn Only reading what's on Neofetch. Whatevs...
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
@@0w3nn probably confusion. The i5-2415M is indeed a dual core, but doesn't have that in it's name.
@CrackDavidson1
@CrackDavidson1 Год назад
These are fun to tinker with and revive with linux. Theres a ton of games that can be run with these.
@michaelpmalin
@michaelpmalin Год назад
I've watched about 1 minute of this video so far :). Amazing cinematography for a video about a laptop! Please upload in 4K, even if you don't film in that res. Since RU-vid has introduced '1080p Enhanced Bitrate' regular 1080 looks like garbage. Uploading in 4K will force a higher bitrate and make your videos look much better for everyone, even non-premium accounts.
@stage666
@stage666 Год назад
1:28 pay close attention to the chips on these cheap no brand Chinese ram sticks. If the markings on the chip is not crystal clear(smudged or worn off), or if the numbers don't match between chips, then it means these chips are recycled and are from different batch. I would not buy these rams sticks. The Chinese people will not miss any opportunity to extract every last bit of value from junk. There is the business of harvesting old ram chips from junk and then use them to make "new" ram sticks.
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 Год назад
Interesting. The ram seems to be working fine so far but I'll keep that in mind.
@snow4dv
@snow4dv 7 месяцев назад
That crazy idea of getting much more powerful card-sized subcomputer and linking it with X61 (using X11 forwarding or other thing) to make it daily driveable comes to my mind really often. x61s are too beautiful to become obsolete ;c
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 7 месяцев назад
Its such a nice form factor. A couple years back, some people in China made custom, modern components for the X61 and called it the X62.
@Czemyslau
@Czemyslau Год назад
fun fact: watched that vid while changing termal paste in my maptop (2019) that also runs on linux :)
@chitan1362
@chitan1362 Год назад
What's kind of magical with Linux is that the open source drivers on Intel and AMD GPUs support Vulkan natively on some GPUs that don't support it at all on Windows. I have an old MacBook Pro from 2012 that I use for various things. MacOS is a no-go on it because Apple does not support it in any capacity anymore. Linux however works great (with a few easy-to-fix tweaks). Sometimes I will play some very light games on it such as Pizza Tower, and This old 3rd gen intel with iGPU works fantastic with DXVK.
@danwarner1124
@danwarner1124 Год назад
Hey... great job on the video. Mint+XFCE has worked for me on similar projects but based on what you have shown here I'm going to give Void Linux a shot. I would be interested in finding the sweet spot of old/cheap and high quality display and inexpensive batteries if that is a topic you would like to explore ;-) Anyway... subscribed!
@CFWhitman
@CFWhitman Год назад
Ubuntu based distributions tend to have a little too much running in the background for really underpowered hardware even when you use a lightweight desktop flavor. You might be able to use Ubuntu server and build up a desktop as long as you stay away from the flavored versions of the desktops like "xubuntu-desktop" and go with the barebones "xfce4" or another lightweight desktop instead. I find it easier to just use Debian on old hardware if I want an apt based distribution. Just to be clear, Xubuntu and other lightweight versions of Ubuntu are still light by today's hardware standards, just not by 2007's standards. Still, even Xubuntu or Mint+XFCE will not be that bad on a Core 2 Duo. Just don't put them on one of the pre-Ryzen low powered AMD APUs from the mid 2010s. Those things make everything but the GPU on the machine in this video look pretty snappy.
@BlazeElPadrino662
@BlazeElPadrino662 Год назад
For old, cheap and "high" quality display maybe the ThinkPad T60/T61 with the 4:3 FlexView panel would fit the bill as long as the seller doesn't know what they're selling 😅 Best regards!
@miskaknapek
@miskaknapek Год назад
think the thinkpad x230 has some fullhd screen options while having two user upgradable ram slots, and at least one external battery.
@Markyroson
@Markyroson Год назад
Stands to reason that games from its Era would run well on it. We'll have the same experience with today's hardware in 20 years, most likely.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 5 месяцев назад
It's an Intel GMA X3100. Suue, it has 8 shaders and supports DX10 like the Geforce 8400 GS, but the geforce also runs at 520-589 MHz instead of the 333 of the GMA. And he tested it with Half Life 2 Lost coast and got 15 fps with graphical glitches at the lowest settings and a resolution considered low even back then. An addon from 2005 for a game from 2004 running on a iGPU from 2007 at sup 20 fps. CS 1.6, released in 1999 ran at 35 fps Euro Truck Simulator, released in 2008, one year after the GPU ran at 7 fps No, games from it's era don't run well. Even games from half a decade earlier don't run well. At least 3D games. Lighter 2D games do well, though.
@fantasypvp
@fantasypvp Год назад
i've got one of those things, it runs surprisingly well with arch and can even handle KDE semi ok with 4GB of RAM, windows 10 is flat out unusable on this device though and even windows vista seemed to struggle somewhat (although that's more down to the HDD i had in mine initially)
@hwertz10
@hwertz10 Год назад
Oh yeah, I've put "full fat" Ubuntu 22.04 on a few older systems (I am using the "Gnome Flashback" desktop though, rather than Unity or whatever, it has a more classic appearance.) I'd say the realistic minimum is like a Core 2 Duo with 2GB RAM. Indeed, if you can get a 2GB system to 4GB do it, you'll run into swap pretty fast as you open a few tabs. The last C2D I set up booted to desktop in about 55 seconds off the HDD; you do end up with like 1GB RAM used at startup, but it can swap out about 600-700MB of that without any affect on the program you're running or the desktop. The battery life was brutal though, battery life went from 4 hours doing nothing to like 45 minutes playing a RU-vid video since it was running the CPU fairly hard. I'll note, these old Intel GPUs run 2D and video scaling fine, but the 3D support a) was slow as hell on them anyway. b) dropped in newer mesa versions. In general, all pre-shader supporting 3D GPUs (the ones that only had "fixed function" support) were dropped recently; there is still a "mesa-amber" package where they branched off that last version of mesa that supported these and intend to continue to fix any bugs and security vulnerabilities that turn up in it. You get OpenGL 2.1 (but slow as hell) with the amber, or OpenGL 4.5 through llvmpipe software rendering with current mesa; the GPU is so slow that I actually found the llvmpipe to be faster (still bad but a little faster.) My dad runs this piss out of a Core 2 Quad desktop (Optiplex 755) with 4G RAM and a 1TB HDD in it. He makes heavy use of Chrome, edits like 100s of page documents with lots of graphs and charts in them, tons of scanning and printing, and weekly Zoom conferences. Zoom maxes out 2 cores by itself, but it's got 4 so it works out OK. That thing has some problem due to successive Ubuntu upgrades (I assume it's probably got bits of upstart, init, and systemd all taking up bootup time..) and takes something stupid like 3 minutes to boot, but runs fine once it's booted.
@TrashPC_lol
@TrashPC_lol Год назад
bro is the definition of underated
@TrashPC_lol
@TrashPC_lol Год назад
you have earnt a sub and watcher
@litclownyfella
@litclownyfella Год назад
Eeally interesting how old tech that seemingly junk can actually be turned into something useful if let into the right hands
@terrydaktyllus1320
@terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад
"One man's junk is another man's treasure."
@AndrewSchott
@AndrewSchott Год назад
I can say that current RHEL and Fedora perform great too on old hardware. The three parts to making it work is first an ssd, second setup tuned, lastly use a lightweight DE. I personally went with i3 ages ago on my main rig so its natural to plop that on my older rigs too (slight mod to the config for single monitor).
@jasonenns5076
@jasonenns5076 Год назад
What is DE? Differential Equations or Development Environment?
@petr_v
@petr_v Год назад
​@@jasonenns5076Desktop environment
@RHTORAS
@RHTORAS 2 месяца назад
@@jasonenns5076 Desktop Environment something i3 is not because it is much simpler... a DE containtains a window manager, a file exploeres, a taskbar or a dock or something like this, a compositor and some menus all tight together to offer a complete experience btw RHEL and Fedora are not light because of systemD
@scotthayes5386
@scotthayes5386 Год назад
A week ago i had never seen Linux before. I saw a yt video, and revived an obsolete 2014 mac air with Linux mint and it runs 10x faster than macos did with 4x the battery life after using tlp.
@kepler_45
@kepler_45 3 месяца назад
Hey someone stole your video, titled " can linux revive this laptop"
@liamjewell62
@liamjewell62 3 месяца назад
Thanks for letting me know. I licensed it as creative commons, so it's technically fair game, but I'll ask him to take it down
@kepler_45
@kepler_45 3 месяца назад
@@liamjewell62 he deleted my comment when i asked im to
@vegiemane
@vegiemane 3 месяца назад
I really wish people would stop saying increasing RU-vid resolution quality is pointless if your screen isn't as high as the resolution set. That would only be correct if the same bitrate was used for all resolution options.
@silvy7394
@silvy7394 Год назад
Literally could of just bought a 12 dollar SSD and ran Windows 10 just fine. Depending on the speed of that HDD even 11 could of been possible without an SSD since 11 is easier on disk operations. Dont even need to upgrade the RAM if you're somehow that cheap. Windows memory management will take good care of that 2GB. Unlike Linux's piss poor MM, of course. You wont be running more than a handful of tabs, regardless of the OS, with that CPU anyways.
@acuteaura
@acuteaura Год назад
linux ate my ram moment
@idg33
@idg33 Год назад
smells like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about
@yeetyfreety6938
@yeetyfreety6938 Год назад
Gosh, almost like windows bloatware and spyware shouldn't be considered a default. Enjoy having candy crush preinstalled on your toddler OS.
@silvy7394
@silvy7394 Год назад
@@yeetyfreety6938 You're literally complaining about there being a shortcut to candy crush in your programs list in your thesis of why Windows bad; Linux good!. Ya'll mad funny clown 💀
@PurblePink8678
@PurblePink8678 Год назад
@@yeetyfreety6938 Why would I want to install PedoLinux?
@floydlooney6837
@floydlooney6837 Год назад
I bought a laptop in 2008, the HDD failed (Win Vista) and I got a new hard drive and installed Ubuntu Linux and used that thing as my only computer for many years
@prolificity
@prolificity Год назад
😍 Have the same exact laptop, down to the CPU, though I got the extended batt. Ran W7 well because this laptop was released with Vista support, but yeah, that's been EOLed. I tried running elementaryOS on mine but the DE was too heavy. Linux Mint MATE and xfce ran fine. Was looking into making it into a Chromebook a while back, but it was too old. Still think the Chicony/Alps keyboards on these are the best even when compared to modern ThinkPads. X220 was the last X series that had the older IBM-style keyboard, I think. I brought it once to a conference just before COVID hit and people were genuinely curious and asked if it was new, likely due to the 'novel' form factor vs 16:9/16:10 laptops 😂
@UNSCPILOT
@UNSCPILOT Год назад
Have an old 2013 HP laptop, after swapping the keyboard and installation of a modest SSD with Garuda XFCE (I use Garuda Dragonized on my Desktop, wanted familarity), it's been more fun and easier to work on than my more powerful 2019 laptop, and I had a extended capacity removable battery for it that works great. I've tried doing work on the 2019 laptop but it's a nightmare to open, Ive already had to epoxy one of the hinges back together and the slot for the M.2 drive is already dead after just a few months with a basic SSD in it, the next time I open it will be to gut it for parts. I plan to save up for a Framework laptop but until then my 2013 laptop running Garuda XFCE linux is my portable buddy, so long as I don't try to work on large Blender 3D projects it seems to handle everything just fine
@owenwexler7214
@owenwexler7214 4 месяца назад
For my software engineering peeps… yes VSCode, Neovim, and Terminator are available on Void Linux. I checked the repo list on their site.
@atomotron
@atomotron Год назад
My ThinkPad 560 runs Windows 95 just fine, and the only real issue I have is inability to connect just about anything to its single USB port: even USB flash drive needs a software driver. Which obviously you can't find these days. Other than that, it is absolutely fine.
@Amomo_io
@Amomo_io Год назад
Congarts for the editing man ! You definitely deserves more subscribers !
@bielgaucho_real
@bielgaucho_real Год назад
I think the most important upgrade you could ever do is use an SSD. Even the cheapest SSDs can make a computer like this behave completely different. It is night and day. Specially if you are using a lightweight linux + firefox, small amount of ram is ok. But HDD speeds makes anyone suicidal nowadays... rebooting, waking from hibernation, opening apps, become a chore...
@clochard4074
@clochard4074 Год назад
I have some laptops from that year and I assure you they usually don't have a standard sata connector making the change almost impossible.
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