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@dariusdragomir9414 Месяц назад

If denver wins the chip this year, dont ever put kd in front of joker all time ever again, its blasphemy

@TonySop Месяц назад

KD already behind joker.

@CHI-JORDAN-CHI Месяц назад

Yeah I agree. If Denver wins it this year and Jokic wins finals mvp he's 10 for me. KD is at 14.

@user-we2ik6qs9c Месяц назад

just enjoy his game, these kind of debates are not fun anymore

@KClouisville Месяц назад

They're virtually meaningless....the game has changed so much in different eras.

@mactamac4466 Месяц назад

"KD over Larry Bird?" is not up for a "conversation" or even debatable

@aldenduffieldIII Месяц назад

KD better than Larry Joe…whoever thinks this must be high

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

@@aldenduffieldIII Correct. Horrible take. Even KD would admit it.

@margarinetaintedgreen8140 Месяц назад

That is indeed absurd. Neither were great defenders. I know Bird is 3x All-Defense but I’m not sure about those particular voting results. However, with Bird’s superior intelligence, toughness and anticipation he was the superior team defender. KD the better man-to-man defender. Defense between the two overall is a wash in my opinion. Bird’s a far better passer, a much better rebounder, a slightly better FT-shooter (check their playoff %s) and only a smidge behind KD as a scorer. It’s not the rings that make Bird a better winner, either. Bird was a leader. KD was not. Simple as that. Not a debate.

@aldenduffieldIII Месяц назад

@@margarinetaintedgreen8140 Not to be a stick in the mud, but ask the Pistons if LB is a great defender.

@margarinetaintedgreen8140 Месяц назад

@@aldenduffieldIII Are you referring to the steal->pass to DJ? I already said Bird had superior intelligence and defensive anticipation. I think Bird’s overall superiority over KD is clear and significant.

@bizarroeddie1 Месяц назад

2 championships on a small market team that had never won before definitely means much more than doing the same on a team like Lakers, that you know sooner or later will do it again. Denver, Milwalkee, these teams can go half a century without a ring, Lakers, at worst, a couple of decades, for a variety of reasons.

@lindahansen4077 Месяц назад

Stop saying small market. Just because Denver isn't part of the coastal elite snobbery, it is still top 16 media market. Will they ever command the same attention as the Lakers or Knicks or Celtics? Nope. The NBA cannot afford to let that happen, and I'm aware of that...but your argument is really weak. Use it to talk about the Broncos or the Avalanche and it falls apart.

@bizarroeddie1 Месяц назад

@@lindahansen4077 top 16 in a league with 29 teams is small in my book.

@margarinetaintedgreen8140 Месяц назад

Whomever gets to decide which teams are “(blank) market,” I don’t know. I don’t care. I look at how good the players are, how good their teammates are, and how tough their competition is. That’s it.

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

@@bizarroeddie1 Laker fan jealous of Denver and living in the past. All is right in the world.

@bizarroeddie1 Месяц назад

@@greggibson33 actually i'm with everyone who plays against Lakers. They get the things way too easy for being the the team the media loves to talk about wheter they win or lose.

@oneilg8988 Месяц назад

Jokic isnt playing with an all start. Duncan played with a HOF coach and multiple HOF players. Lebron once complained about the roster even while playing with two other All Stars.

@alexandersnow1963 Месяц назад

To be fair, Mike Malone is likely to be a hall of fame coach if he wins another title. He’s well on his way

@aaronhumphrey3514 Месяц назад

Imagine if Jokic had an all-time great shooting guard on his team like Shaq did. Just talking about total titles with no other context is a really dumb way to compare all-time great centers.

@maximus3294 Месяц назад

to be completely fair jamal murray is the greatest playoff riser ever. bro turned into a literal superstar talent in the finals

@aaronhumphrey3514 Месяц назад

@@maximus3294 He's a good player, but he's no Kobe.

@Logany5 Месяц назад

@@aaronhumphrey3514Murray’s 2023 playoff run stats 26/7/6 Kobe’s career playoff average 26/5/4 He has plenty of help.

@UpShir67 Месяц назад

To go against who? The next best big in the west is AD. Embiid & Giannis were injured the last two seasons.

@CHI-JORDAN-CHI Месяц назад

@@Logany5 Why are you taking one playoff run (where they won the title what a coincidence) and using it against Kobe's entire average? Use Kobe's averages with Shaq for career and Murray's complete averages as a teammate of Jokic. It's not close. Kobe >>>>>>> Murray in season playoffs finals whatever. And you also ignored half the game. Defense. A 9 time all defensive first team guard vs a dude who never made an all star all nba team all defensive team never made anything there.

@philipmartin475 Месяц назад

Sorry, Larry Bird is a top 10, maybe top 6-7 player of all time. I would never take the mentally weak Kevin Durant over Bird. Never. Bird is a flat out killer. Bird is like Luka except, better passer, better shooter, better rebounder better defender. IMO.

@markocurcic6314 Месяц назад

Shaq had a top 10 all time player in Kobe, top 30 in Wade. Yes he won 4 titles, but when you compare him to Joker who's best teammate to date is Murray, who even tho he's great, when all said and done ain't sniffing top 100 it isn't even fair. Give Joker Curry and see how many he wins.

@danelukic2911 Месяц назад

Jokic is GOAT

@shedflips Месяц назад

As long as you look at Jokic as a center only then no he will not crack the top 10. Guy is one of the best centers and point guards rolled into 1. I don't know how you score that, but I've never seen anything quite like it. I'm just enjoying the ride.

@jstinson7072 Месяц назад

He will for sure be top 10 if he wins another title. He's already in top 15 in my opinion

@Lloyd00 Месяц назад

The question is who are you moving out

@TrggrWarning Месяц назад

Shaq

@MusicalWhiskey Месяц назад

@@TrggrWarningooof. He’s not gonna like that 😅

@TrggrWarning Месяц назад

@@MusicalWhiskey yeah it’s why hes upset, he either feels it or sees the writing on the wall.

@billwoods7578 Месяц назад

@@Lloyd00 Right now his comp is Malone. If he wins another title I'd probably put him ahead of Hakeem at 11. I wouldn't quite have him top 10 though.

@shara-la8629 Месяц назад

The fact you're asking that question at this stage in his career, says it all. Mr. Nikola Jokic is the Unicorn, just enjoy, admit and baw!

@Hendrix.Robinson Месяц назад

Now you all see why Shaq said what he said the other day and got tight.. these ranking would change pending Jokic end season result. He don’t wanna hear that lol

@deangulberry1876 Месяц назад

Yep he felt Jokic passing him in the all-time debates and couldn’t hide his emotions.

@vlada Месяц назад

@@deangulberry1876exactly. He was cute and lovable to him when he got his first MVP but 3 MVPs and one finals MVP and possibly another and it dawned on Shaq that Jokić is passing him by already. I get it. It's in his character as his 20yr whining and crying about losing to Nash shows. Imagine if an announcer said the same thing to Shaq the way he prefaced unnecessarily the 3rd MVP. He would have had a meltdown.

@kimjonghyun3471 Месяц назад

Exactly Shaq is a fan until he can sense people are coming for his throne. Same think happened with Dwight after the comparisons. He won’t say this bout Embiid bc Embiid isn’t a real threat in any form to Shaq

@agentallstar7 Месяц назад

Prime Larry Bird is a top 3 player of all time easily

@gaspersignorelli3724 Месяц назад

Except for Jokic he's better than anyone in todays palming and walking NBA.

@406dn7 Месяц назад

Not a chance.

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

Correct answer.

@nogarden7274 Месяц назад

I love Larry, he’s top 10. He’s not top 3

@agentallstar7 Месяц назад

@@nogarden7274 look at his peak season stats combined with advanced metrics.

@burningbridgesthesilvershi2490 Месяц назад

Jokic is the undisputed GOAT

@Taxiclip Месяц назад

The most "popular" players who dont statistucally add up to Jokic are GREAT for the League. However, Jokic kost likely will go down as one of the greatest pkayers to ever pick up a basketball.

@hunterjz9388 Месяц назад

Jokic never had a top 10 player name Kobe and a top 30 name Wade

@mrvhz7 Месяц назад

Don’t forget penny was the second best guard in the league too.

@user-gc1wj8tt2p Месяц назад

can you imagine anthony edwards with jokic? That is what shaq and kobe are.. they might 5 straight

@jmoo876 Месяц назад

He already is

@langkanai Месяц назад

Goatic is already the goat

@vameng.lee1 Месяц назад

If Shaq never leaves Orlando, does he win 4 Championships? Could he have won 3 MVPs in 4 years?

@TrggrWarning Месяц назад

Shaq dominating in 1 dimension due only to size, he is out and he knows it.

@willzsportscards Месяц назад

KD isn't close to sniffing top 10. Come one. Dude is top 20.

@vlada Месяц назад

A glorified Alex English.

@quique2886 Месяц назад

So what are the fundamentals that Duncan has over the Joker?

@user-we2ik6qs9c Месяц назад

Defense

@smf703 Месяц назад

@@user-we2ik6qs9cand Jokic wipes the floor with Duncan offensively. Jokic is a better player than Duncan, the only people who would disagree are delusional.

@apex8373 Месяц назад

@@smf703I love jokic but come back after he has 5 chips, then we can talk

@Doctor-xn4ec Месяц назад

@@apex8373matrix ? Hollywood ?😂😂

@aliasadi3200 Месяц назад

@@smf703 i am one of the biggest joker fan. But no, not yet, joker has to do more to pass duncan.

@notimportant3686 Месяц назад

he can crack it on stats alone if he plays 3-4 more years, regardless of championships...

@racimegacar Месяц назад

it's not "can" its "when"

@elioks Месяц назад

Jokic is the best center of all time because is the most complete center of all time, the rest were perecect in one or two areas of the game, jokic is really good in all areas (and improving at his 29 yo)

@cjokerp Месяц назад

Duncan...criminally underrated. Easily top 5

@rayleigh8 Месяц назад

Never repeated as champion.

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

@@rayleigh8 And got dominated more than once by shaq and kobe.

@timknapp6388 Месяц назад

Ummmm... no

@darijokesar5703 Месяц назад

I just don't understand this narative comparing Jokic with Shaq. Jokic is legit baller with great skills while Shaq was nothing but a tall tank who was dunking on peaople under the basket. There is no skill there. He couldn't hit a free throw if his life depended on it...and forget about mid range...downtown was just not even possible in his dreams. Nothing to compare there...

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

Correct. Nothing to see here.

@PeteJones254 Месяц назад

What kind of a mess is Dan’s top 10? Larry Bird comes out but Jerry West stays in? 😂 Jerry West is on the deep end of top 20 and Bird is going nowhere. Larry Bird has an argument for top 5. Stop it.

@rubaiyat300 Месяц назад

The march of time means any top 5 or 10 or 20 or whatever list has to change unless you’re saying all the new guys are actually terrible. So if you don’t want to tear down the old guys you stop doing top X lists and you just make tier lists. Does this new guy belong in the all time great big tier? Is he in fact so good he belongs in the all time great tier? Now you don’t need to tear down any old player and can just discuss the new guy vs the precedent set by the older guys.

@jesustenes2 Месяц назад

Where people say that they rank players, they are actually ranking careers. KG and Duncan is the perfect example. Duncan is better in most people's eyes, but as players they are at the same level to me, one was just lucky to play in better teams. So to me Jokic is already a top-10 player regardless of how many more rings he wins.

@donweaver6818 Месяц назад

He's already cracked the top 10.

@onlyfacts3178 Месяц назад

he is a TOP 10 center...

@arnavanand9257 Месяц назад

@onlyfacts3178 Top 6 After winning title he will be top 4 or 3

@micahpg3407 Месяц назад

The obvious top 13 are Bron, MJ, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Kobe, Curry, Jerry West, Olajuwon. The Kobe-Hakeem category is where Jokic would be after another title. This year, the Celtics and Wolves are worthy championship level teams for different reasons and it is likely they will need to beat both.

@gorangoran6335 Месяц назад

A wonderful conclusion by AG.

@SLIDESPOT Месяц назад

This guy is doing same things when it matters as the likes of Jordan. What just happened the last two games has been incredibly impressive….one on one vs DPOY winner by design. Crazy

@travisnoffsinger4507 Месяц назад

I think the question is, where at in the top 5 will Nikola Jokic be ranked when its all said and done.

@MP-mn6we Месяц назад

Isn't titles dependent on your teammates? Jokic won one without an all star side kick. I do think Murray is an all star if he can stay healthy. I can't think of anyone who won it without at least 1 more all star team mate. Jordan won 0 in first 7 years until Pippen showed up. All the big men he mentioned had at least 1 more all star on their team.

@srbin1264 Месяц назад

🙌🙌🙌

@ccomm2288 Месяц назад

dumbest comment I've ever read 🤣🤣🤣

@sinhnguyen8135 Месяц назад

Jordan won without an all star. Pippen was not an all star 1991 and 1998 championship. He was a shell of himself offensively on their last 2 championship.

@MP-mn6we Месяц назад

@@ccomm2288 So basketball isn't a team sport?

@MP-mn6we Месяц назад

@@sinhnguyen8135 Rodman wasn't an all star?

@scottgollahon3681 Месяц назад

In order: Jordan, Magic, Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Lebron, Bird, Shaq, Duncan and Oscar.....If Jokic wins this year and finals MVP I believe he would move ahead of Oscar we shall see

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

Oh, I get it. You're trying to be wrong. Well done.

@elcarg4 Месяц назад

Jokic seeks excellence. Let's see how it plays out, but he is on the path to get in the top tier. He has really enjoyed sticking it to LeBron so maybe he'll move ahead of him one day. Five titles -- earned not chased -- would make people have to look at him.

@keonhendrickson638 Месяц назад

Top 5-10 is tuff bc he doesn’t have the defensive accolades of the other top 10 players like All- Defensive teams, DPOY and guys like Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Russell, Kobe, and Duncan were great defenders and have defensive accolades that Jokic may never get so when we look at Jokic possibly being top 10 in the future we’d have to look at both ends of the court so if Jokic wants to be in that 5-10 range he’d have to win 4-5 MVP’s, FMVP’s, and championships and keep making All-NBA 1st teams while continuing to put up big numbers and impact winning at a high level but he’s got a chance to crack top 10 for sure but we’ll see what happens.

@CHI-JORDAN-CHI Месяц назад

If Jokic wins another championship (and gets finals MVP): 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Larry Bird 6. Wilt Chamberlain 7. Bill Russell 8. Tim Duncan 9. Shaquille O'Neal 10. Nikola Jokic Next 5: 11. Kobe Bryant 12. Steph Curry 13. Hakeem Olujuwon 14. Kevin Durant 15. Giannis Antetokounmpo

@BigginsInAmerica Месяц назад

"I mean Joker is better than Tim Duncan at every basketball skill but I would still say Tim duncan has better fundamentals."

@vlada Месяц назад

What are fundamentals? Passing, shooting, defense, footwork, court awareness, teamwork, setting screens, using both hands, going to the right and left, finishing. Not sure Timmeh wins this battle.

@sparklesthedragon2414 Месяц назад

not sure why this is such a big debate. Im a nuggets and Jokic fan and it seems like it would be a ways off for him to crack the top 20. Pretty easy to name off a bunch of players who have at least 3 titles and much more points than Joker. But if its a question of skill then yes, Joker is 1 of 1 and an amazing talent/winner so far.

@deangulberry1876 Месяц назад

Forget big man category. Jokic is a completely new thing. As Dan said he’s a “point center.” You can’t compare him to anybody else. He looks like he’s loafing around the court yet he’s doing a triple double with a steal every game.

@kimjonghyun3471 Месяц назад

If he wins this yr he’s 12th behind MJ, Bron, Kareem, magic, Russell, Duncan, Kobe, Bird, Wilt, Steph, and Shaq. I even put him ahead of freaking Hakeem with this ring. But he’s super likely to be top 10 that id be shocked if he doesn’t pass Shaq Steph and wilt. Id bet he ends up on my list the 5th best all time behind MJ Bron Kareem and Magic. And he has an outside chance of getting as high as 2nd. He’s that good imo

@CalixtoErico Месяц назад

Maybe we should just ignore big men and think about "what he did for his team and teammates". Basketball's beauty is that it allows a clear view of how star power translates into individual stats and how it elevates teammates and brings results and success.

@vlada Месяц назад

Star power and individual stats don't make teammates better.

@JohnSmith-oe5kx Месяц назад

"Tim Duncan did not want to be a center." In terms of play style, he is more of a center than Jokic, who runs the offence.

@vlada Месяц назад

True he's more a PG/C than what centers were then but when it comes to playing back to the rim, finishing, footwork and big man skills he's still an all time center

@alwaysblessed2794 Месяц назад

Winning back to back is very difficult. Warriors last to do it.

@LukasP143 Месяц назад

Best shooter ever hes closee..

@TheJDough1 Месяц назад

How does Bird come out?!!!??!!! That’s insanity. No one in the league today, including Lebron, is better than Bird

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

Correct answer.

@406dn7 Месяц назад

Hack a Shaq...when you can only make half your free throws, you should be practicing your free throws. The Joker gets disrespected since his game is not flashy. Too many fans mistake viral highlights for winning basketball. The Joker plays winning basketball. He does not have the equivalent of a Kobe as his wing man.

@clabs2016 Месяц назад

100%. Furthermore, the Nuggest are a drafted and built team. No flash, no big free agents. This is pure basketball everyone should be enjoying and supporting. I have no respect for the "Super Teams.' Another reason why Lebron will never be the GOAT.

@YourRump Месяц назад

I hate when people talk championships like it’s an individual accomplishment. Like if Joker wins another chip he surpasses Hakeem?!? Teams win championships. There’s only so much influence a great player can have on that.

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

Correct answer. Which makes the discussion moot. But Dan needs content.

@user-gc1wj8tt2p Месяц назад

Yes it's kinda ridiclous but not fully.. To win a chip you need to have great postseason which is the creme de la creme of the nba. I think having great postseasons is more important even if u don't win a chip.

@JohnSmith-oe5kx Месяц назад

Duncan and Shaq had a lot more help in terms of star power.

@bojantrkulja4149 Месяц назад

Jokic best big man that played the game and top 5 players all time, when is all set and done….

@onlyfacts3178 Месяц назад

RIGHT now its: 1-WILT 2-KAREEM 3-HAKEEM 4-RUSSEL 5-SHAQ 6-ROBINSON 7-JOKIC 8-MOSES 9-DUNCAN 10-EWING

@partizanbgd0113 Месяц назад

Robinson over Jokic, common man.i Top 2: Kareem Hakeem Next 3 you pick the order: Wilt Shaq Jokic Duncan and KG are prototypical power forwards in their era. This is before KD redefined the position, but he’s an anomaly. Him and Dirk; to me those two are really oversized forwards.

@danelukic2911 Месяц назад

Jokic is now top 3

@CHI-JORDAN-CHI Месяц назад

1. Kareem 2. Wilt 3. Russell 4. Duncan 5. Shaq 6. Jokic

@onlyfacts3178 Месяц назад

@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI DUNCAN???? DUNCAN isnt even the best player on SPURS history who has ROBINSON as their best CENTER ever. NAME one thing DUNCAN did better than ROBINSON?

@JohnSmith-fx2mz Месяц назад

You cant compare Pre Merger Players with Post Merger Players. You gotta at least have that separation of eras.

@user-qj9cd3yr1z Месяц назад

People forget that steph was also involved in recruiting kevin to the warriors

@bojantrkulja4149 Месяц назад

Relax with Shaq , jokic way better… Give jokic prime kobe and see what happens

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

Yes he will crack the top ten but he doesn't need another title to do it.

@mosshark Месяц назад

Jokic cooks when he wants to. But he's ultimately a team player who loves to pass the ball like he's John Elway.

@mark11967AD Месяц назад

I’d take Duncan if I had to win one game or series but on a nightly basis yes Joker is a more impactful player overall. I guess that makes it a tie lol. Both great players so why put one over the other. Except Timmy has so many rings but that’s partly opportunity.

@patrickellsworth5427 Месяц назад

He's 11th on my list already.

@rayleigh8 Месяц назад

If he wins, he’s better than shaq. Shaq always had great teams and got swept many times.

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

Already better and it's not close.

@mikemullinix5607 Месяц назад

Why can’t you just let the guys play and just enjoy getting to watch them you won’t be here when they are forgotten and that will happen

@17NateJohnson Месяц назад

Big fan, but he needs 3 to enter those conversations.

@TommyMartini657_jciridje Месяц назад

Tim Duncun was a power forward? 🧐

@teejaye6226 Месяц назад

I can't get behind those 1960's stats...Russell winning 8 STRAIGHT titles... Wilt averaging 50 ppg....video game stats!

@blkdrtyolman Месяц назад

we want all the smoke💨💨💨

@Beardo2517 Месяц назад

If he wins another ring I'd put Jokic over Hakeem and Karl Malone

@clanwaddell5628 Месяц назад

No. Two titles and three MVPs doesn't make you top ten. He has chance by end of his career to be top ten.

@haunter93til Месяц назад

I can only do a top 10 based on modern basketball which I say is the ABA / NBA merger and intro of the 3 point line to the NBA. Jordan Kobe LeBron Hakeem Magic Shaq Bird Kareem Duncan and there's a vacant 10th spot. I thought with Curry's 4th it was him but if Jokic wins this year it's him for sure. He's doing Wilt Chamberlain type things in 2024. that's literally unbelievable if you said someone would being doing that 10 years ago

@zrikizrikic9126 Месяц назад

Come on even Jokić Said Duncun Is still ahead..so no Point..but for sake of convo go ahead😂😂

@Honestly__now Месяц назад

He can crack anything he wants including the top 1 spot. He is still playing. Jordan is done and LeBron is on his way out. Jokic does not have a great team Murray is always hurt

@Lloyd00 Месяц назад

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. "Want" has nothing to do with the team that's around you

@brianjauhiainen3954 Месяц назад

West and Oscar have dropped out. KD is top 15 at most. Projecting out, Joker is in. Moves past Akeem., Moses.

@user-uv9oy1qp5m Месяц назад

West over Kd easily

@hiawathasbrother Месяц назад

This has got to be the most pointless debate of all time. Maybe the GOAT debate is interesting, but whether this or that guy is 9th best or 13th best over a 70-year league history is just a waste of time.

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

Correct. It's nerd dum dum talk. But Dan needs content.

@jesustenes2 Месяц назад

Selecting an actual top 10 is as pointless as choosing a goat, to me there are 4 goats (russell, kareem, jordan, lebron) and 15+ top-10 players. You can't rank the players one by one, it's all about the tiers. There is the goat tier, and then the top-10 tier. And one day there will be 20+ players in that second tier but that's ok.

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

Individually, Wilt toyed with Russell for a decade like a kitten playing with a mouse.

@jesustenes2 Месяц назад

@@greggibson33 I mean good for him, I think Russell was pretty happy with the results.

@chervang7578 Месяц назад

Shag win 4 but how long he been playing jokic is young he already won 3 mvp could be 4 last year one championship already maybe this year to.

@guybartlett9587 Месяц назад

Jokic

@Lloyd00 Месяц назад

I think Larry and Magic are joined. If ones in they're both in and vice versa

@margincharge3657 Месяц назад

Jordan, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, LeBron, Bird, Shaq, Wilt. Nobody is getting in that top 9 unless they win 3 titles as their team’s best player. If Jokic wins this year, he’ll jump KD, Steph, Kobe, and Hakeem and be #10. If he 3 peats, then we’re talking major shake up in the top 10. At that point, he jumps Shaq and Bird and will be #7 as he will then have the same number of MVPs and titles as Bird, but will have 1 more FMVP. Oscar/west not in top 10 with 1 title each. Steph and Kobe don’t get full credit for titles won with a superior talent on their roster and who stole their FMVPs. Titles matter most. FMVP next, and regular season awards 3rd.

@margincharge3657 Месяц назад

Also - you can’t leave Russell and Wilt out of basketball history. Wilt and Russell were known as the two best players ever until Kareem and magic and bird started winning multiple titles. Then Jordan came along. Then Hakeem and Shaq and duncan and LeBron. There hasn’t been enough dominance thus far to push either one of those guys out of the top 10. And zero of those top 10 guys were as dominant as Russell was except for Jordan. Doesn’t matter what era they played in, they still had all time great talent in those eras. For Dan to suggest you can dismiss that all time great talent shows a lack of understanding and a lack of respect. If those guys would have grown up in this era, they still would have been great.

@greggibson33 Месяц назад

@@margincharge3657 Correct on all points. Weak takes by Dan.

@jaimeit4426 Месяц назад

Larry Bird is only 2nd to Kareem, which by the way you guys are talking Centers and not one mention to Kareem. Unbelievable. You might say MJ is better than Larry, but not while Larry was playing, that's for sure. LeBron is good, but he ain't no Kareem nor MJ.

@givemethat2715 Месяц назад

Steph is top ten if you watched NBA only since 2015😂

@gordon2945 Месяц назад

No he is not

@blkdrtyolman Месяц назад

he’s a better version of himself, stop the cap…

@SuperEliasc Месяц назад

Such lazy reasoning. Jokic can shoot threes, and free throws, and has the vision and passing of Magic Johnson. No comparison to Shaq. Championships depends on you team and the competition as well.

@patrickellsworth5427 Месяц назад

Bird does not come out!

@scottgollahon3681 Месяц назад

Anyone who says Bird will be leaving the top 10 knows NOTHING about Basketball..... NOTHING!!!!

@goyalsachin22 Месяц назад

He was robbed last year by crying Joel. He is one of the best to ever do it and that too in a small market. To put that in perspective, Steph never won 3 MVP, Neither did KD. He wins one more & he is right there with Kobe in MVP numbers.

@matthewt8214 Месяц назад

No. Calm down he's still in his 20s. He's not already better than Shaq and Hakeem even if he wins this year.

@indianastarkjones1535 Месяц назад

Dan Patrick sounds like a member of the Racist Black Militant Media questioning Joker's Heart and motivation

@jkrasney1 Месяц назад

Durant is not a top twenty player. Is Durant better than Hakeem, I don't think so. Durant is similar to Dwayne Wade is ability and both are dropping close to top thirty-five, at best.

@GuySmithSmoke Месяц назад

Champions > MVPs

@baggio4497 Месяц назад

Love Patrick for many years ..love Jokić to death ..but he is not Duncan, Olajuwon or Sheq...and why comparing !? Maybe one day, but now , it just puts shadow & hate on social media. as far as for Duncan not wanting to be a center ...he played in the era of, R Wallace, Webber, Garnett, Stoudermare, even Barkley..it was tougher to be a 4 than 5 in his era

@OnlyHoops15 Месяц назад

he’s objectively better than the Dream if they go back to back with 3 MVP’s

@cadulino83 Месяц назад

I mean he didn't say Jokic is better, he asked. But I agree with u, Joker shouldn't be compared with Shaq, Hakeem or Duncan (who was best out of these three), maybe one day. I only hate the take where he kinda equals ring with MVP titles. For me rings r much bigger accomplishment than MVP titles.

@mbravo5660 Месяц назад

I am so tired of people including Oscar.

@jannaasistores5822 Месяц назад

Duncan's 10 Kobe's 8 Shaq's 8 Joker's 5 rings, mvp,fmvp..

@mitchy3438 Месяц назад

Shaq was an absolute star. Played in 6finals and won 4 chips. Stupid take Patrick. He was must see tv. I remember 1992 and 1993 and shaq was like Superhero. Maybe cause I was a kid idk

@shedflips Месяц назад

Yeh Shaq was 1 of 1. The most powerful dominating player I've seen in a sport. Definitely can't miss tv. Jokic is 1 of 1 in a different way. Trying to compare these guys is like trying to figure out if a tape measure is better than a screwdriver.

@onyeonye1060 Месяц назад

Prime Jokic vs Prime Shaq...Shaq wins everytime...Jokic can't bully Shaq like he does the shorter slimmer centers of today, he will foul out by the 3rd quarter trying to guard shaq. Shaq is treating him like a weaker Vlad in the paint.

@shedflips Месяц назад

@@onyeonye1060 they’d probably put Gordon on shaq. I don’t see jokic stopping shaq or shaq stopping jokic. It’s a bad matchup for both.

@onyeonye1060 Месяц назад

@@shedflips Gordon getting Posturized too. Shaq stops Jokic because Jokic can't back Shaq down like he can the skinnier centers of today. That is his bread and butter. Back down and then he begins working. Jokic can't get into the paint with shaq on him. Mind you shaq is fast enough to stay in front of him on the dribble. Gobber only struggles with Jokic because he knows once Jokic starts backing him down there is nothing he can do, so he swipes when jokic dribbles and that puts him in a bad position.

@shedflips Месяц назад

@@onyeonye1060 shaq not guarding jokic in a face up situation. That’s just dumb.