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Can Orthodox Singles Meet after the Chuppah at Weddings with Chaperones? Rav Nota Greenblatt Psak. 

Yisroel Roll
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In the video Rabbi Yisroel Roll asks Rav Nota Greenblatt the following: Am I allowed to start a program called Sameach Tesamach where friends of the kallah and the chosson, over age 22, go into a side room after the chuppah and before the first dance, with chaperones and shadchanim, and talk together in a round table format about a topic raised by a rabbi, to see if someone might be appropriate for them or a friend? If they are interested then the shadchanim would facilitate the exchange of resumes in the usual way. This is NOT Speed Dating. This DOES NOT advocate sitting together at wedding meal even though this was allowed by RAV MOSHE FEINSTEIN ztz'L at his own daughter's wedding. Listen to Rav Nota's answer here.
Four minute video clip from Rabbi Yisroel Roll's 2 hour visit with Harav HaGaon Nota Greenblatt, z'l, talmid muvhak of Rav Moshe Feinstein ztz'l on April 22, 2019 at the Memphis home of Rav Nota z'l, who died in 2022. Rav Nota was a Gadol B'Yisroel, a trusted Posek, who cared for Klal Yisroel, and who traveled the world doing Gittin and Kiddushin. My wife's family grew up under the guidance of Rav Nota z'l in Memphis. He was our family Rov and Posek, besides being the Posek Hador. We learned with him and had meals with Rav Nota and lhbc'l, his Rebetzen Miriam, shetichieh.
The Shidduch Crisis hits 'crisis' levels once every three years when the Mishpacha Magazine decides to do feature on "The Lonely Wait," and the Annual Convention Circuit decides to put it on the agenda. And then three weeks later, we all go back to posting our new job on social media and sit around the Shabbos table, saying, "Isn't it horrible that our wonderful neighbor is 29 and still single...please pass the cholent."
The shadchan says, "check back with me every three months..." Really? And for three months I should sit by the phone waiting for you to call and say, "I was just thinking about you.."
The time for, "I was just thinking about you," is over. The system may have worked when there was one shadchan in a shtetl of 120 families. It does not work today.
But when we try something new and bold we get shut down because it is not "appropriate" or "tzanua" or "it is just not done that way."
Rav Nota notes that Rav Moshe Feinstein ztz'l, at his own daughter's wedding to Rav Eliyahu Moshe Shisgal, z'l, a great American trained gadol, sat single men and women together at the same table and came over a number of times during the seudah to see if the singles were comfortable. When asked if the seating arrangement was a mistake, Rav Moshe answered, it is a mitzvah, otherwise how would singles meet?" (Rav Nota's comment about chassidim is not a reference to the Chassidish community).
You may say, 'that was then, and this is now." My response: Rav Moshe's psak is good for Hilchos Geirus, Kiddushin, Kashrus, and Shabbos, and therefore it must also be valid for shidduchim. We cannot pick and choose. He is the posek we live by."
When I asked this same question to HaRav Dovid Cohen, shlita, he said: "Absolutely allowed and encouraged. I did it in my shul 30 years ago."
Anyone interested in starting Sameach Tesamach in your city, let me know at yisroelroll@gmail.com
Hashem is waiting for someone to be like Nachshon, and jump into the water, to Split the Sea.
Name not withheld.
Yisroel Roll, Baltimore

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Комментарии : 13   
@ahwien
@ahwien Год назад
Mingling "...was before the Chassidim took over the world." (But they did)🤔
@Bulvan123
@Bulvan123 11 месяцев назад
It depends where. There are still major communities that didn't adopt the Chasidish "Chumra of the week"
@rosmanari
@rosmanari Год назад
What? I thought Hashem made it newly untznius to go on dates without having one's mother call 1 million references????
@user-zv9um9pb6w
@user-zv9um9pb6w Год назад
Single Boys and Girls sitting at a wedding table back then is not comparable to a barley frum wedding with drinking, mixed dancing etc.. Reb Moshe wasn't wrong, but as always, if you neglect the context and his (Reb Moshe's dinim) reasoning, then you go off into craziness.
@Bulvan123
@Bulvan123 11 месяцев назад
Why are you adding barely Frum, Drinking & mixed dancing to push your narrative? There's no reason (for example) single boys from a Yeshiva background over 26 & single Frum Bais Yaakov girls over 23 or 24 can't sit together & talk. What's the worst that'll happen? They go on a date & get married? Or think of this guy for their friend & a shadchan can handle it from there but at least the talking at the wedding gets the ball rolling for a first date.
@user-zv9um9pb6w
@user-zv9um9pb6w 11 месяцев назад
@@Bulvan123 first off barely frum is common. Second someone 26 is already a man not a boy, but I don't believe single people should be in a drinking and mix dancing environment. You do mazel tov! Whos putting a narrative now.
@Bulvan123
@Bulvan123 11 месяцев назад
@@user-zv9um9pb6w why do you keep saying "Mixed dancing" I've never been to a Frum wedding that had it. In fact it's the biggest no-no at a Frum wedding. His point & he's right is there's no reason a 26 year old man who goes to Minyan, has a set learning schedule, has a Rebbe, is from a Yeshiva background (wears a black hat) & a 24 year old Bais Yaakov graduate who went to seminary, davens/says Tehillim/learns, does Chesed, dresses tsnius (are these people at mixed dancing weddings?) can't sit next to each other in a public setting & either get her number to go on a date or think of a friend for them? You say it's not done? Perhaps if it was there'd be more married singles.
@user-zv9um9pb6w
@user-zv9um9pb6w 11 месяцев назад
@@Bulvan123 the frum world has a wide range people.
@Bulvan123
@Bulvan123 11 месяцев назад
@@user-zv9um9pb6w And? Rabbi Roll is involved with the Frum crowd. He gives special classes at the Bais Yaakov type schools (not the modern ones). They mention Rabbi Hopfer. He is the president of the Vaad Harabanim in Baltimore which includes all modern Orthodox, Yeshivish, & Chasidish Rabbonim (& Ner Israel). This is the mainstream Frum community. For some reason it bothers you so you need excuses. That's the point. Perhaps if we went back to basics there'd be less of a Shidduch crisis. A girl I was friends with set me up with her friend. She wasn't for me but I thought she'd be good for my friend (who happened to be the brother of the girl that set me up!). He wouldn't have gone out based on his sister but he did cuz I told him to. They've been married for over 25 YEARS!
@geoffreyhyman4238
@geoffreyhyman4238 10 месяцев назад
Kol hakavod Rabbi Roll!
@zip19692000
@zip19692000 Год назад
Which Daughter, Rav Tendler or Rav Siskal ? This probably happened before most homes even had a telephone ☎️. No one says it's a halacha problem for male and females to sit together. For those societies that don't want this , It is a culturally preferred thing to not mingle. Factually , more shidduchim are coming out from the non mingle societies than any other.
@malachi405
@malachi405 Год назад
This is mixed seating, *for singles in shiduchim* probably with all 4 parents attending the same wedding, present in the same room. It's not a singles event.
@crankyinvestor
@crankyinvestor 21 день назад
let them meet at the shmorg with a drink or two to loosen up guys don;t have to spend the whole time ass-kissing some rosh yeshiva at the chosson tish
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