Can Rappers "Uncornify" Themselves? 

Yes, but what you said was corny too

What i said right now looked corny

EK06 Beats lmao you’re trying too hard that’s corny bro

Vlpha That was kinda corny

@Vlpha Yeah Vlpha you're corny

OOUU BARS

@Pixel Smile Corny torch? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I know smh. Shits stupid

WubzTheDubz Huh? U ever listened to anything of his before 2016?

Not his mixtapes and first 2 albums

Hubert very true! His last album Swimming was phenomenal. And no, I’m not just saying that bc he died. That is a fantastic album.

@@wm_9640 Feel you. 'Swimming' is probably my favorite album of 2018

he was never “goofy” he was just youthful , did you expect him to be grown straight out of the gate ? everyone forgets he died at 26 and was an OG way before he became that age

@@justonknowles i be goofy kinda funny acting stupid but they love me

@@johnconnor2572 im not saying mac is corny i just quoted an old ass lyric of his lol

FoshoGotFlow is wale corny ??i heard he was good

How the hell is Wale corny?

He isn't really corny, he's just very bland but has made some good shit in the past.

@@rsinist9733 his first couple mixtapes are great especially More About Nothing

@@jd5726 this dude goes around talking shit about everyone

Faxual man very Faxual Jaden is so unbearably wack

Doctor medicine I was finna say that too

@@watchalotadunks you are whack

Ain’t about they think! 🤦🏾‍♂️

John Connor I always thought Kyle was unbearably corny but jaden is certainly up there

It ain't about being black or being a gangster rapper. It's about rappers being fake deep. Presenting themselves as rappers with "substance" and bringing something new to the table most of them aren't saying much.

The one and only nah that’s not it. We’re just in the habit of policing what’s cool and socially acceptable, which is money, redbones, guns, and coke. Step outside of that and you’re corny. These trap artists aren’t saying much of anything either. Try again.

@@E_MZ_ Like I said it's not about that. When an artist is truly great he or she will get recognized even their style goes against the norm just look at Kanye.

@@Breeze06 Not true,yes Kanye is great in Hip Hop. But what's fake deep,it seems that word is now being real, cause not one person labeled a "mumble" rapper as corny. And this label of being corny,has been put on Eminem, which he got at the same time he dissed the rap game. And corny to me is everyone rapping about unreal people who forgot where they came from so Migos,A Boogie and lil whoever all changed their sound to someone who had success in the case you make about being corny.

@@tjester4842 Everyone you mentioned is corny to me as well. All I'm doing is replying to E M's comment which was that a rapper rapping about anything outside of gang violence will be labeled as corny which I disagree with.

Stinga TV You are one of these people that are speaking facts!

@Andrescia Hooten 💯

Its just Media/Art. Present the best package, get the most praise. You shouldn't be invested in these people beyond a 4 min track anyway.

I dont

One day you’ll realize that they’re all corny. Whether you’re a fake gangsta or a fake revolutionary, it’s all garbage at the end of the day because they’re more focused on selling an image than making good music. The content isn’t the issue, the execution is.

He didn't take himself serious enough to be corny

@@DisconnectedRoamer I agree

Tyler and Odd Future has such a huge cult following and influence on modern hip-hop it was hard to call them entirely corny back then. After Wolf Tyler himself started being took more serious.

Sam Mercer The personality, energy, style, and music of OF influenced not just their core audience but many rappers and artist we see today. I don’t think we’d be getting stuff like the Astroworld concerts if not for Camp Flaw Gnaw, or many of the eccentric, wild, and colorful rappers we see today. On top of that Tyler and company’s sound was extremely authentic and unique during the time. The early projects like OF Tape 2, Bastard and Goblin had their corny moments, cannot deny that, but still felt fresh and full of super catchy bangers

@DeathWorld honestly bro, i got respect for all of them except hodgy. fuck that dude.

He wasn’t that Corny imo. Camp had some bad songs but you could hear the potential.

This dude is bugging, all those lines hit

@@spacecadet3879 bro this fuckin clown tried to say Jaden Smith and Rich Brian aren't corny 😂🤔😂

@@johnalddrumph456 woah👀,Have you heard "The Sailor"

Takes a corny person to understand a corny person😂

Nah they were corny, but they were also impressively “on the ledge”

Finally someone said it 😂. People will just call something corny for the fuck of it. Some people won’t even listen to the music, they here the first couple of words and assume, people are full of shit is what it comes down to.

Big W bro

Thats not a real thing. Hiring a bunch of trolls to make a smear campaign? Dude youre living in a fucking fantasy world

@@williamalbatross4677 Um....have you not been on the internet long?

@@williamalbatross4677 or sarcasm i hope?

he's corny

He's corny

He is corny

Can someone please define corny and how Hop fits that criteria???

@@dominicthelordkabinga A try hard fake deep that takes himself way too serious. oh and also one who severely lacks in originality or his art conflicts with his personality

ENTIRELY too much; I agree

No Sellout 0.00 i was asking myself when was the last time I heard someone call gambino corny

"eating oreos like these white girls that blow me" -childish Gambino

Not saying drake isnt good but he is not the best or most talented

Astro Boy he’s better than any rapper mentioned in this video

Well i guess drake is somehow better than logic , gambino and hopsin . Bro he isnt that good

Astro Boy he’s better than all those cornballs

@@mistahmst typical drake fans

That line is garbage. Definitely deserving of the corny title if that’s really an example of the best he had to offer lyrically.

Wyatt Parrish when did I claim be a rapper?

Wyatt Parrish also, if we’re on the same page then why are we even having this discussion? You just bored?

@@mistahmst "Non corny" rappers make some pretty shit bars in every song though? Like sometimes they are literally just saying a regular sentence with a rhyming word at the end. I just think there's a "jock" mentality in some hip-hop heads. Creativity is seen as corny and a hard exterior is never question. So here's a good question: Why is that line corny?

@@valeoncat13 guest what, those wannabe hard rappers are corny too. Being corny doesn't just apply to the "nerdy" rappers, it applies to all rappers who pander to a specific audience without an ounce of talent or charisma. They simply exist to sell an image and take what other better rappers did, but completely water it down. Also lol at saying that creativity is seen as corny. These nerdy rappers simply make music for the rhythmless. From their wack/generic beats, whiny voices, and laughably bad rhymes that they swear are "too deep for the average mind" when in reality, they're not even on Nelly's level lyrically, let alone on track to being on the same level as Nas, Jay, Biggie, etc. like a lot of these rappers' fans like to pretend they are. To answer your question, the reason why that particular line was corny was because there was nothing creative or interesting about that bar. It's such a "Punchlines 101" type bar that it's insulting. A line like that wouldn't even be hot in the 80's let alone the 2010's.

Idc what nobody say that line was great

@@kadetheghost3035 sweatpants is a great song overall

FLux who’s line is that?

lmao 😂😂😂 who said this??

@@mwase7782 childish Gambino

The Fallen One it’s probably cause people would consider you corny. But it’s not like that shit matters

you're so unique bro

Drew m which makes them corny

Childish Gambino is a stereotypical rapper. He’s stealing flows from mainstream rappers, but putting a “nerdy” spin on it. The only difference is that he’s making those styles worse with his whiny voice and weak beat choices. Not to mention his horrendous punchlines.

mistahmst when I think of stereotypical I think of rappers rapping about drugs and guns. Childish gambino never came in doing that. He stuck to his roots. Im

mistahmst I do agree about stealing flows and image. A lot of these rappers weren’t woke until it became popular. J cole and Kendrick were the only ones growing their hair wild and rapping about politics, than when it became popular a lot of artist copied them. I felt like childish gambino did that

This is what I’m talking about. The whole “this rapper is good because he doesn’t talk about guns and drugs” argument is garbage. That just means you’ll take anything with the “conscious” label thrown on it regardless of quality. I also say he’s a stereotypical rapper because even though he’s not explicitly talking about the same things as these lean sipping, gun toting rappers, he’s clearly taking direct influence from them and taking their aesthetic, but watering it down without bringing anything new or interesting to the table or even bringing any interesting insight to these topics. It doesn’t matter what you’re talking about, whether you’re talking about social issues or even talking about street shit (drugs, violence, etc.), the music has to speak for itself and you ain’t making slaps, it simply won’t matter what you’re talking about. A bad song is a bad song.

John Zapata 🙋🏾‍♂️

Marmar Classic 🤡🤡🤡

qwerty I’m a clown for having a good music taste?

@@marmarclassic3636 "GOOD" LMAFOOOOOOOO

Jaden Smith is amazing!

ikr it is beyond me how anyone could watch his genius video and not think that hes corny, or to be more precise, a pretentious douche lol. Atleast anyone over a certain age

The production is good tho lol

Tyrone Lucambe go away

It’s decent

That bar was too straight foward

kiss my ass, human centipede haha

Sometimes I get conflicted about the empty platitude thing. Some people are intelligent about things that are less abstract and don’t fully understand deeper messages, so the only motivation they can get comes from cliches. To us it sounds tired and lazy (which in some cases it is for people trying to be “relatable” to build a following) but then sometimes I think it’s a good thing for people who are more intelligent in other areas to have a source of motivation from a simplified message they can understand clearly.

@@BTeezy130 That's a good point. I get conflicted about it too and wonder if maybe I'm being too cynical. But I think that the music industry in general underestimates people's intelligence. Where the cliche thing really bothers me is when it's used to push a narrative that is so simple that it's just untrue, and sometimes those can feel like a conversation stopper instead of a conversation starter. Like for example I really dislike a lot of Prince Ea's (spoken word artist) stuff because a lot of his videos boil down to "phones/social media are bad and they make us sad" or "education turns kids into slaves". I kind of resent this because I feel like this contributes to a lot of people being completely dismissive of these things, and not seeing any of the potential positives of social media or education in society. The conversation just kind of stops there. And I do get that in a song you're limited by time and structure and shouldn't be expected to have as much nuance as an essay. But idk, I just find myself shaking my head at the kinds of messages a lot of artists put out with their music. I view a lot of them as basically McDonalds salads. Like it's marketed as healthy because it's a salad, but it's also got whatever the fuck McDonalds puts in their food, that ultimately means they're still selling you the same shit.

Daniel Levin dude I feel like I’m talking to myself right now. I’ve thought about this topic so much and I have the exact same view with everything to just said. Especially about people being dismissive because there seems only to be facile opinions on complex issues and events. I’m so happy I came across the word “facile” a little while ago because it is the perfect description all bundled up into a single word. (I see the irony of that lol). After a while words start to mean absolutely nothing no matter how much importance they hold because people talk about things like healthcare as casually as they talk about what they did over the weekend. People get sick of hearing it and lose interest in the cause.

And what you said about maybe just being cynical... my exact thoughts every time this comes up. I want to give these people the benefit of the doubt but I can’t help feeling like I want to rip my hair out when I initially read/hear it

@@BTeezy130 Yeah I try to avoid harping too much on any individual artist (except Hopsin who will forever be the king of corn). It's more so the overabundance of fake socially conscious music/takes that makes me worry that over time people will become very jaded about the idea that artists can have something meaningful to express in their art.

Didn’t work for EM

Noah Harris you heard SYRE?

@@tones.melodies was not a fan

ToneUP bruh he is garbage listen to syre without thinking about it being jaden smith the best song was icon and he had like 2 lines about dirty dishes he’s ass

He is a pretentious idiot. SYRE and ERYS both have a. Few good tracks but the whole concept is corny AF

Jayden is too young for you people. His the future of gen z rappers

yeah lol. I dont want to delegitimize an artist for being born rich, but jaden smiths dad is worth a couple hundred million and jaden is out there trying to portray himself as some kind of skate rat while wearing designer clothes lol. On top hes rapping about getting money and pretending to be omniscient while hes barely 20 and very much grew up in a rich kid bubble. Like no hate to him for growing up rich, but hes trying so hard to be something that hes not

@@schwanzkopf400 fuck out of here have you heard anything Jaden has dropped after the Blue ocean Project.

lmao what are you trying to deny? go to his fkn youtube channel theres a fucking wannabe skate punk song with video from a month ago and his first verse in icon has a fucking lazy skate punchline and a line about getting money by the minute right off the bat

Thats its called "inspiration" everybody does that wtf

Qui no drake went from cool to corny

Daniel Lopez how? He wasn’t corny with Young Money? Wasn’t corny on Degrassi? You trippin lol

Daniel Lopez not at all. Drake’s early stuff was super corny. Especially when he was still doing all that Young Money garbage with Wayne and a bunch of nobodies. It wasn’t until NWTS when he really started making slaps. He got better beats, put more bass in his voice, his flow got better, and his songs overall got less sappy. The sappiness is still there (he’s gotta keep his female fanbase somehow), but he got more of a balance on NWTS and IYRTITL.

Corny Dude “6 pm in New York” and “Energy” were on IYRTITL, “Tuscan Leather” was on NWTS, and “0 to 100” was also around that time period too, so the argument still stands. A lot of his more recent stuff is kinda meh, but he was at his best from 2013-2015.

Yeah

Facts but some of it is partially his fault too. Literally no one was calling him corny until Everybody

@@Daniel-et6zc Yea his early work wowed me. But i hate how people see him as a rolemodel for rap now because he raps fast. Again: i have seen fans of him call Lil Wayne a mumble rapper.

Lil Wayne is not a mumble rapper i do however give him credit/blame for inspiring these idiots though.

Thank you couldn’t have said it any better bro. Em is my favorite rapper but Wayne is a top 5 goat for the culture and that’s FACTS!

@@cjtuckerbpmc You can't blame him for being a GOAT that kids started copying off of. New-gen rappers all take a fuck ton of inspiration from Weezy but they lack the talent and what you're left with is rappers making Lollipop level hits over and over. Though now in 2019 it isn't very true (artists now copying Thugger and Future which are both great artists), you can still hear the Lil Wayne influence, but without the bars to match.

r/jadensmith

I'm a super stan. Don't like everything he's dropped but he has a very Kanye and cudi esqe sound and is wildly experimental. Check out B,L,U,E,P,I,N,K and PCH

He actually makes good music I think people hate on him cuz he's will Smith son.

Lwazi Nozulu yeah because he doesn’t come up with any original ideas and makes the watered down version of music his heroes already made

@@justonknowles which is not a sin he just has to find himself. Music is based on inspiration Kendrick was rapping like lil Wayne till he found what makes him Kendrick. Travis Scott gets the Scott From kid Cudi's real name Scott Mescudi Jaden is inspired by Cudi,Ye and a few other artists and the songs I recommended in my Comment are songs that are distinctly Jaden Smith. Other Notable Songs include Lost Boy,Fallen, Rolling Around. That's the Jaden sound.

Agree. "Camp" Gambino was fire. He definitely seems more jaded now but as fucked up as the industry is and the reaction to him being himself...can't blame him. His comedy special "Weirdo" was GENIUS

MiguellaGorilla Yeah it really was and his Kauai ep is definitely underrated as well and I really believed he switch his style because of all the hate he got back then which is sad because the people that knew about him like Charlemagne hated him now likes his music which is really where the fake love comes into place

True art is seldom appreciated by the masses in its time

3 years later and this comment went over heads

No because it was pretty clever.

Chris Tucker you can be corny and clever, but corny is based on preference

You really thought that was fire? It was so bland and straight foward

Nah, that was better than like jades whole discography so idk where this guy is coming from

I'll take youtube rappers...the new school that is(not jake paul,ksi etc) over over these mumble rap fools on sound cloud anyday.

They atleast write their own shit more then i can say for lil Pump(who never stopped sucking) and Drake.

That’s just your perspective. I take some RU-vid rappers quote seriously as rappers like Token and Quadeca. Even if they aren’t seen as professional as people like lil pump, the shit they put it is exponentially more original and better than shit like that

@@gaintmoleperson4660 You:likes KSI Also you:Thinks other youtube rappers are corny Also Also you:Lil Pump dah realist Me:🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@cjtuckerbpmc no I hate both u jus didnt do your research ksi is actually put on RU-vid rappers as one of the best thats how low the standards are for RU-vid are for RU-vid rappers YOU UNDER STAND!!! Also I don't like lil pump I used that as an example to explaining evens a rapper like lil pump is way more real then any youtube rapper name one RU-vid rapper whos realler then him evens the top RU-vid rappers are extremely mediocre Ps my rap taiste is Kendrick lamar tupac slum god j cole xxtentacion wu tang clan childish gambino denzel curry slick rick and alot of other things

Gtfo if these corny ass rappers were doing anything right, nobody would be calling them corny. These rappers are corny because they try to act all high and mighty, but aren’t bringing anything new or interesting to the table sonically or lyrically. They’re more worried about pandering to the “real hip-hop” crowd than actually making great and to make matters worse, they usually jack flows from these same rappers that their fans would normally clown (even using some of their producers), but water it down and put this pretentious “conscious” label on top without actually saying anything interesting or memorable.

Kendrick Lupe and Joey arent called this LOL

@@dabossman5650 i was bout to say that bruh.

There are plenty of rappers that speak out on social issues and don’t sound like whiney bitches

@@mistahmst first of all i dont get wat u saying, they are spitting some pretty good bars and bring new stuff to the table but even if they didn't, have u ever listened to hip hop nowadays? Every single rapper is just riding the wave and they all be using not only the same topics but literally the same bars and words. They dont copy flows and even if some do i don't know why they are labeled corny, wat about all the mainstream rappers copying each others flows arent those guys corny? Producing has nothing to do with all that shit and why wouldnt they label themselves conscious? They are conscious, just like every unoriginal mainstream rappers labels himself a gangster and a pimp they also label themselves conscious. Stop all this bullshit, hip hop fans are for real retarded.

No…

He is

Dark sky paradise will always bank.

No shame was an utter disaster that went against every belief he held since RAW.

@@squidwardtennisballs3390 sounds like you're just currently in the space that he was in at the time he made that album. what, because theres more hihats & his emotions are more direct like a man rather than the aimless highschool type rage he had in 2010? he was a emo straight edge weirdo kid when he made that album (I love hopsin thats not a diss but just the truth) & now hes a grown man with grown man problems, but with money & fame. that's a totally different character & chapter in life.

@@squidwardtennisballs3390 An artist can only give you the life they're experiencing at the current time & when people do what you're doing right now it fucks them up in all kinds of ways, often to the point where they basically quit trying. you really shouldn't do that shit bro if you dont fw em no more than just dont fw em but dont attack them for becoming what their life has turned them into, maybe you & that artist just dont have so much in common anymore, they're not for you, the same way 2 friends grow up & go different ways in life. that shit ain't fair how we treat artists & they torture themselves over that shit constantly.

Yes! He just says the dumbest conspiracy theorist bullshit I've ever heard, and his bars and flows are super weak, honestly have no idea what people see in him he's a cornier rapper then his Dad

This video is delusional, if we are behind honest. Hopsin has unconrified himself more than Jaden has.

Hes great lyrically tho but yea i agree with him being corny

Or you know, if he didnt get married

Idk about that

@@user-ln2qq5bw5m But.... he LOVE HIS WIFE ACK!!!

That “Casey Anthony” line might be one of the lamest punchlines I’ve ever heard.

@@mistahmst I dont get it

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wBSivTNU02g.html if you want to he saved and have everlasting life in life please WATCH

Sparta Lee no he’s just god awful terrible and corny

^dude really thought that went over our heads😂😂

Just Know facts 😂

nah, we got it. no shit he means Detroit, its just wack as hell.

dbahj and you definitely broke

There is less corn in the Midwest.

Ain't nobody gonna debate with yo' corny ass.

U right

Nah, dude was corny then and he’s corny now. Terrible beats, whiny voice, horrendous hooks, embarrassing rhymes that would get clowned at a high school lunch table cypher, and a condescending attitude with none of the charisma or talent to back it up. If you’ve been in the game for 10 years and still can’t transcend beyond a fan base of white kids who only listen to “real hip-hop”, chances are you’re a corny rapper. 21 Savage has made better music honestly.

@@mistahmst 21 Savage does make good music, but listen to Hopsins new interviews and see how his perspective has changed.

@@wade2033 Bro, I just got an opinion. I admit he was corny before but you can clearly see he has made efforts to change and is changing. You really think that he would be in the studio with juice, ski and herbo if he still had that corny attitude?

Fake deep