Eminem's Unintentional Curse on Hip Hop 

"The Real Slim Shady" was a premonition, not a parody, and its one that came true.

You got to feel bad for Eminem being such a lover of hip hop and the culture and everything behind it to have a fan base that completely disregards all of that.

I've been saying for a while that Eminem's FANS are primarily why he receives so much hate... I'm a Em fan myself, but I'm also a true hip hop head. Most Em fans just aren't real hip hop fans but they VIGOROUSLY express strong opinions about what good hip hop is and Em's place in the culture constantly

one of the things i respect most of Em is that he's absolutely loyal to the culture he grew up in. Nearly every single recent track of his has to mention Eric B and Ramkin as his inspirations, and speak with great nostalgia of what the game was back in the day. You listen to him in interviews and you get the sense that he's at heart a massive hiphop nerd lmao

Eminem’s existence single handedly gave us tom macdonald 💀. A curse fr

“And theres a million of us just like me who cuss like me, who just don't give a fuck like me Who dress like me, walk, talk and act like me And just might be the next best thing, but not quite me!” -Eminem, 2000

My ex is a local rapper who is an Eminem/Marilyn Manson facsimile. He is a blight on his craft and the world. The unspoken part of "would the real slim shady please stand up" is "now the rest of you sit tf down"

Put it this way Eminem made most people change genres. I was in high school when he came out. Everyone was listening to Rock and grunge. Everyone did a complete 180

Eminem to Dax : “That’s the type of thing make me not wanna meet each other.”

Shiii I think we need to talk about Wayne's uninentional curse

I love this video because I can relate to it. I used to pretty much only listen to Eminem, and when I did, I thought that pretty much any hip hop that didn’t sound like Eminem was bad and not worth listening to. Ever since lessened my Eminem intake, I’ve been able to listen to and appreciate a lot more music. Not just hip hop but music in general honestly

eminem did rap fast back in '95 with a track called biterphobia he was still finding his flow back then

My first hip hop album was the Eminem Show. I was instantly an Eminem fan and bought the Marshall Mathers LP, and later the Slim Shady LP. Thru those albums I learned the names of Dr. Dre, Snoop, Nate Dogg, etc. My next album was Get Rich or Die Trying. After that I stumbled upon All Eyez on Me at the record store, got me into 2Pac, eventually got me into the first Death Row albums, and even eventually got me to love P-Funk and know more about that than any other band or music. I didn't listen to Em much after that, but if it weren't for his music I wouldn't have fallen down the hip hop rabbit hole that was amazing to discover. He was a good influence for me

He changed his rapping style due to going sober. He had to relearn how to rap. Thats what he and others have said. Thats why relapse and beyond sounds so different from the work before encore. Also he genuinely lived what he talked about and more importantly is from a different generation. Back then you had to be able to battle to be considered elite. As you traveled, dudes from other cities would challenge you. Add the fact he was around living legends early in his career, you get a once in a lifetime person. Same thing goes for 50. It was special circumstances that cant be recreated.

Token used to be a part of that category, but in the past 2 to 3 years, he's really stepped out of it. He actually has credited people like Future (who would be considered mumble rapper) as being one of the best lyricists. I feel like Token has evolved the most and is not really a corny rapper anymore

The thing is Eminem as a "white" rapper in a black dominated genre made such a huge impact , that every "white" rapper that comes next , will always be called a wannabe Eminem , its just Eminem can never be replaced , because he will be just that one rare gem forever.

It's genuinely tragic, Em truly loves hip hop, he's been a student and lover of it his whole career. So imagine knowing your legacy on the culture is the most unliked, annoying, corny strain of modern rappers. He already gets enough shit in his own right, and on top of that he gets shit for the next gen rappers who sound like him. Its fucked up man, he just wants to rhyme words and wear beanie caps, let him live 😂

Em rapping fast is like 1% of his entire discography. Unless we are skewing the definition of fast rap.

I will not stand for this NF slander

I don’t see NF in this category of Stan rappers. He’s got a unique message that is his own

What’s funny is that the “lyrical miracle” joke line is from Em’s BET cypher where he mocks this sort of rapping...

I could listen to Em and J Cole all day and not get bored. They both know how to mix it up instrumentally with the beats as well as the lyrical subjects and delivery on the mic.

NF is vastly underrated. His lyrics are personal to him, his story telling can paint pictures, he can portray emotion to the listener, uniquely articulate the processes of his mind and characteristics he has identified as problematic, and has a lot of songs about relationship problems/ideals. He is more than an Eminem clone and idk why the narrator would point out how many rappers used to bite Em hard and then single out NF as the worst imitator. I've listened to Tom McDonald, Mac Lethal, Token, Hopsin, Joyner and have really liked songs by all of them but Joyner and NF are ones I go back to still (with a few Hopsin tracks) because of their lyrics having a message and the subject material being relatable. NF has some tracks with heavy emotional depth, Eminem can get you there with his anger or his love for his daughter"s"...but as a Stan that is very familiar with Em's entire discography myself, you just won't find anything of his anywhere near the sadness and grief that NF's "How Could You Leave Us?" buries you under when you hear it. He also showed fantastic creativity and storytelling in "Story" which further exemplifies his unique excellence in visual storytelling that he displays in nearly every one of his videos. Comedians share the same phenomenon of sounding like other performers in their industry and many will talk about beginning their careers with cadence and delivery that they would start to notice was similar to the way the guys that they idolized, which (once seen, can't be unseen) forced them to find their own voices. They are some of the meanest, insulting, ball busting, deviants that are able to take one look at a person and can dissect them so thoroughly enough to identify their deepest insecurities, often tearing into hecklers egos with ease and shaming them in front of the audience . They save the funniest and most brutal for roasting fellow Comedians that they consider close friends. Yet, they all give each other much more benefit of the doubt when it comes to directly imitating someone purposefully or joke stealing which is the capital murder of comedy... I said all that to say, maybe NF has tracks in which he appeared to be attempting to sound and look like Em (the fashion of someone who you idolized and inspired you will be more appealing to you just because they are wearing it I.E. white tee's, baggy blue jeans, and blonde hair🤔) but, his cadences, topics, emotional vibe and vulnerability (like admitting to needing therapy or having self-esteem/depression issues) don't resemble Eminem AT ALL!!🤷‍♂️ He has flow patterns that can sound a lot like Em here and there, but come the fuck on, Eminem has used so many different delivery methods and rhyme patterns that trying to avoid sounding similar would be impossible. NF deserves more respect, or at the least, less hate.💯

He inspired nearly all new rappers like NF. Nf is full of substance, I need him to pop out a new album

22 years later & "All you other Slim Shadys, are just imitating" really hits different now.

Another Eminem curse was alluded to by Conway - that Em’s fans only listen to him or care about him. As an Eminem fan myself I find that so annoying and an unfair stereotype. I’ve been listening to HipHop for 30 years and literally grew up listening to all the legends that inspired Em. Most of the Eminem fans that I know are the same.

This video needs to be shared as much as possible

I started listening to hip hop by stumbling to Beautiful by Eminem passing channels on the TV and went on to listen to his discography and from there discovered a bunch of artist and although I don't listen to Em that much now, I will always have a soft spot for him and be grateful for introducing me to a world of music

I would say that the speed of Eminem's verse only played a small part in what made his verse in Forever amazing. If he rapped like he did on that song for an entire album that would be insanity. I think Rap God was the real changer when we're talking about the lyrical spiritual stereotype

I want to point out Twista another fast spitter, he's the fastest spitter of all times but yet he actually rapped about something of substance all while rapping at that type of speed and plus he's versatile so he could rap it either way you want to go with it. You can understand about every rhyme he said and he had a nice lil taste of commercial success with an hand full of hits under his belt. Twista is real deal underrated. So rapping fast miracle lyrical bars is cute an all it has its space but at some point everyone doesn't want to hear that all the time. Rapping rhymes of substance is just as important if not the most important because that can bring the emotion to rap in relation to what people feel and connect too. All of this have to be balanced every song should be for every mood.

this was just great. Thanks bro

Legacy will always be my favorite thing from Eminem. The emotions he displays with that song are perfect and he called out his whole career. But when I hear the beat I’m tempted to make another attempt at it, I’m infinite. And he’s still making attempts to this day.

The fast rap Eminem spits is so high quality. That's the difference between him and the copies. Eminem throws bars in those fast raps. And he sounds good. And he doesn't do that for entirety of songs he goes up and down , slow and fast.

It’s wild how Eminem inspired so many of these lyrical miracle rappers when he basically birthed the term and was already makin fun of rappers who do that in the slaughterhouse cypher on the bet hip hop awards. Either way great video once again. -T.

token had a good moment with his new album, 'pink is better.' it has more of a focus on beats and storytelling and has a consistent message. I hope he keeps branching out and developing his style to where he can be seen under a light of respect rather than ridicule.

I agree with everything except for Token, Joyner, and NF. Token has stated multiple times that he did the fast rap because it was big at the time, so it was an easy way to get a fan base. If you listen to his new songs, they are not like Em at all. He rapped fast once or twice on his new album. This is the same with NF. He sings on lots of his hooks and his songs like “How Could You Leave Us” are not comparable to Em. And, once again, same with Joyner. His storytelling on “I’m Not Racist”, “Frozen”, and more are not products of Ems influence. Out of all the clones, these are the three who I think are developing more of their own style as they grow but all generally started with that Em vibe, just like Kendrick and Cole.

9:28 “All I listened to for 4 years straight was Eminem.” That tells you all you need to know about these clones.

Y’all gotta look at the good things too. Hopsin and token are evolving. And Eminem brought us the most underrated rapper in rap right now, Westside boogie.

great video, great points.

this video inspired me. i'm a stand up comedian and musician in the uk. going to try and learn more about exploring what my flow might be. I always counted aesop rock as my biggest white hip hop influence. But i have been affected by the em curse and you helped me open up a new investigation into the genre. anyone who wants to suggest seminal artists please. I would be grateful.

"There's a million others rappers just like me Who cuss like me Just don't give a f*** like me Who walk, talk and act like me. They just might be the next best thing but not quite me." Em predicted this s*** decades ago

Just like Wayne inspired some rappers who are good and bad. Eminem did the same thing, I wouldn't say it's Eminem fault because Kendrick, Cole, Big Sean, Tyler, Xxxtentacion and a plethora of others had the skill to take it to the next level.

Hey man! I've been watching 8 videos of your channel one after another in a row and honestly... i really liked all of them, it's a really good writing and great insight of the hip-hop world that, i really like it, even if it's not my favorite of all music genres, great work! 😁 (And sorry for my English, i even edited it a little with a translator but i think that's still not stayed perfect, hope it's still readable heh)

Eminem is one of a kind you can’t replicate it

For every 1 Em clone, there's 10 clones of mumble rap.

Speed rap when it's done by Eminem is pleasing to hear in my opinion.

I disagree with NF being a clone. Starting off he had similarities but he's come up into his own in his last 2 albums/ep. He talks and resonates with the people struggling or can't put the hurt into words or just dealing with life. His words are intelligent and intentional.

Tokens actually pretty good imo. He def started off just rapping fast coz he could. But he’s coming into his own now and I’m interested to see where he goes.

"Just cause you're good at rapping, doesn't mean you're a good rapper"... damn 💀

The last part should’ve been, just because you’re good at rap doesn’t mean you make good music

bro NGL I fuck heavily with NF he has changed into his own style he even mentioned how he is doing his own thing now and how he would have given anything to be seen by em but now he is in his own spotlight.

I can't lie and say that I used to be a "Lyrical Miracle" kinda guy. I used to trash on mumble and Gangster rap, mostly because of my mom, while only really listening to Eminem. However, I started listening to more rap and can safely say that I grew to love all kinds of rap, and when writing my own rap, I take from Eminem's style of writing lyrics and phrasing, moreso than the fast rap. I focused more on slowing down my rap style, focusing on pronouncing and articulating words, and focusing on the lyrics and making every word have meaning, like Eminem does and his pretenders don't/

"And there's a million others just like me Who cuss like me, who just don't give a fuck like me Who dress like me, walk, talk and act like me And just might be, the next best thing, but not quite me" - Real Slim Shady

I know a lot of people who are fans of NF and I've definitely told them on many accounts that the guy is a copy and paste version of Eminem with the profanity, to which I received outrage. The Eminem curse sucks because it's not like he set out to make people want to rap like him and truly was original in his own approach, but he's definitely unintentionally created MANY clones of him and his style.

“Anyone with the ability to talk fast and access rhymezone can do this” spot. on.

I’m so glad you mentioned Rhymezone.

How is this Em’s problem? Em has always been a student of hip hop and paid his respects. I could understand if he were signing these people but he signed people like 50 cent, westside boogie, Griselda, D12. As a black em fan it sucks that some of his fans don’t respect hip hop like he does but it’s not his problem 🤷🏽‍♀️

7:20 i see that you’re a man of culture

The freaking fact that you mentioned tech nine in a conversation about Eminem gained you a new follower I love tech nine and Eminem

I grew up on 8Mile era.. so i can tell relapse is classic to me.. Dejavu song is almost perfect.. the storytelling, the rhyme patterns, the cadences, the wordplays, the bars are insane

Those rappers who're "inspired" by Eminem involved themselves in dramas so petty it's cringeworthy-they seem to think Eminem is all about the fast rap and complexity of rhymes when it should be a manner of poetry mixed with lyricism (like Kendrick does). About Eminem, his intent, in the first place, is just to make fun of those who made fun of him and doesn't want the future generations to do what he says in his music. Em doesn't intend these kids to be inspired by him but to learn lessons he instilled in his lyrics (be it Shady or Em or Marshall) and that they should just keep it real. It's not a curse, but a mere misinterpretation of what Em is here for in the first place.

You need to be influenced by more then one artists otherwise it becomes copy and paste. And that's the worst thing you can do in hip hop culture.

Token was what, 17 when he made Doozy? He has some pretty deep hard hitting songs that are pretty slow paced on his last 2 albums, but nobody's gonna mention that

Nf has stated hes not a Christian rapper. He just believes in god and refuses to curse.

As someone who grew up as one of the white kids who listened to Eminem, the older I got the more I realized how little I really knew about hip hop. Lucky I grew up in Pittsburgh the same time Mac Miller was blowing up and it helped me open my eyes to the rest of the world of rap. The problem these guys have is they get stuck in that Eminem bubble and they don’t leave. They might listen to Dre and guys like Royce but they won’t seek anything else out.

Rappers who can rap fast and still sound good are Twista, Eminem, and Tech9ine they all have their own original flows that make them sound good Edit: there’s many more rappers I didn’t mention btw

Great content, bro. Do you have a video about the history of rap and Hip-hop and the people who really made it a great genre? If not, then could you make one?

“Just because you’re good at rapping, doesn’t mean you’re a good rapper”. Interesting statement.

If you didn’t live thru MTV and Eminem’s albums, you don’t quite understand how big and impactful Eminem was. Like there isn’t a rapper tofay that touches how big he was in his hay day.

I respect that lil shoutout Em did on stage, that's dope.

Great video!

Thanks for shouting out Mac 🖤

This was a fantastic video, I like how you weren’t trying to discredit Eminem’s legacy. Although I feel sometimes people sleep on Logic as a MC, and some people don’t realize that Jack Harlow said Em was a huge influence on him.

Paul Wall so dope and naturally cool y’all forgot he was white and didn’t mention him. Houston Boys Up A Million Points 😎🤘🏾🔩🍇💯

Masta Ace Disposable Arts is a classic album. I've had it for 20 years and i still bump it all the time

What Hopsin said is a sad fact & it made me think. When did wanting to be like one of the greats become a bad thing? When did succeeding @ it become a worse thing?

Irony of it is Em used to get labelled a Nas and Redman wanna be in the early days. I've been a massive Em fan since day one but he isn't the be all and end all of hip hop, we need diverse styles and unique flows or the music just don't work its like they say variety is the spice of life 💯

Em’s upbringing possessed the correct formula like a cheat code. No other white rapper will ever be able to duplicate that. Rightfully so when you try to retrace someone else’s hard work and blessing.

Just listened to NF cause of this video. He’s absolutely fantastic.

Amazing video

Eminem will always be my GOAT

*FACTS. Eminem literally LOVES and appreciates Hip-Hop + his peers like Lil Wayne, Ye, Cole, Kendrick and many who are original and wants his fans to actually listen to other rappers while the tom mcdonald type rappers literally are the complete opposite and are not about the culture.*

awesome video

Wow this was an eye opener! I hardly knew any of the eminem clones! Or even his bars dissing them!

This video was exceptionally well done. The points made and the examples that followed were well written and edited.

Eminem and Jay Z status is already solidified. There's nothing you can say to take that away from them!

Everyone is just telling their story, they just enjoy the way Eminem delivered. That's literally hip hop.

Solid video

The world needed this. The "I'm going to complain about mumble rappers and bring real hip hop back" thing is wasted energy. And is usually made by people who don't know what real hip hop is to begin with

I mean, "nerdy" raps has always been a thing. Being "lyrical miracle spiritual" didn't originate with Eminem, in fact, it was a hallmark of the specific rappers that he regards highly (Rakim, Treach, Canibus, etc.). I think the distasteful attitudes shown by white rappers towards the culture is disrespectful and comes off racist. It's okay for us to vocally have a problem with that. I just think we'd be making a mistake associating white rappers with multi syllabic rhyming at a fast pace. Kendrick does it too, but he's also a respectful person who loves hip hop. So does Busta, Twista and even Big Pun. The fundamental difference is, white rappers with condescending attitudes towards the culture are distasteful, and that's primarily why we dislike them, it's also why Tom Macdonald is considered the worst.

If you watch that whole nf clip, he explains how he stopped listening to Eminem as his first album sounded like Emimem too much. I think since then, his music has been very unique as he uses big cinematic scores in his music and writes about stuff like mental health, love, his mum's addiction etc. as oppose to other rappers that just rap about girls, money, fame etc.

Bro, how crazy. This is only the second video I have watched of yours with the other being the corny rapper video maybe an hour ago and after watching this one, I realize how much we agree on rap music. I commented on the other video asking where Tom McDonald was as a corny rapper, listed Jack Harlow as the only white rapper who isn't corny, and went in deeper giving a list of my cornballs and good, dope rappers and even listed many rappers as corny despite their "cool" appearance and how some rapper are cool despite their wack music. Great video.

THANK YOU for this. This video encapsuates so perfectly the way I feel about Eminem fans. The line about "They don't like hip hop they just like Eminem" rings sooo true.

That whole “these guys are just copying him”. Yet every fucking thing on the radio sounds the same right now, turn up that auto tune, mumble, talk about the trap life, all off beat.

Aye Politikz made it!!! GOAT

lmao i love that you used the toodamnfilthy clip hahahaha

People suck of Mac Miller and Jack Harlow and Kendrick and JCole and forget all of them LOVE AND ADORE EMINEM, and Were HEAVILY HEAVILY influenced by him(especially mac miller, Harlow, and cole)

7:20 My boy PolitikZ still relevant I'm so proud of him XD

This happens a lot. It’s why artists need to understand what they being to the table. Whenever a shaker, especially a necessary one, has their success spiral out of control, you get a lot of copycats trying to recapture the magic, without understanding it. It’s almost like film directors being overly self-referential or gritty, or video games being hard for the wrong reasons to ape on Dark Souls, not understanding what made their influences good in the first place But groundbreaking styles are developed through hard work and honing skills. I used to be a rapper in 2010. It’s really easy to accidentally write tracks that are almost carbon copies of whatever you’re influenced by. One saving grace I had was that I used my voice and passion similar to Brother Ali and DMX, but since my voice is unique, I couldn’t copy either of them, even if I wanted to. And despite them both using an almost-singing voice with passion, their songs sound fundamentally different. I also fell into the trap of rhyming 80 four-syllable words that rhyme smashed together because it made me feel clever. Luckily, it wasn’t useful for using my voice, so I stopped using it. Rapping as fast as possible is the hip-hop equivalent of stuffing big words and obscure references in conversations to sound smart, and sometimes it’s literally just that behind the pretense of making art. I’ve fallen out of the culture, in large part because I got married. I tried freestyling in my old style and just sounded too intense because I wasn’t inspired by the same things anymore.

glad you mentioned mac, rip