Can Rear Subframe Bushes finally fix our 152,000 mile E92 M3?

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Having chased all the simple options for curing the handling problems on our high mileage E92 M3 there was only one thing left... To bite the bullet and drop the rear subframe!
There are 4 main bushes that link the rear subframe to the body of the car, and they do slowly get softer over time. Could this be what was making the handling of our car so poor? Only one way to find out.
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@kovacspis Год назад

Aston's presentation was really good to watch. Well worded, composed, didn't "fall off the screen" so to say.

@Tracertme Год назад

For me it is always worth it, because doing what you have done provides piece of mind knowing those components on the car work and perform as intended. Every drive from this day on will always be just that little bit better.

@garyedwards4452 Год назад

Great video - glad you include the labour costs too - a lot miss that one out so you don’t get a true picture!👍🏻

@ben7020 Год назад

It's financially worth it if you emotionally enjoy it. 👍 Great video !

@strussdo Год назад

Lovely to see someone who's knowledgeable and confident in the workshop

@AlluApplepie Год назад

Epic to see all this work done in just one quick video👌🏼 Great video!

@Nathan93Baker Год назад

Finally, literally been waiting months for a new E92 vid!!

@sarnieken Год назад

Another quality video. Nice to see the 'true' cost of things. Not like some programs that claim to make a profit etc but never tell you how much it actually cost. :)

@chiganuggoo9929 Год назад

Great video Imran & Aston. These are a real showcase for a quality business you're running there. Props to the video creator/editor too, always top quality.

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Thanks for the kind words!

@K-S-Y123 Год назад

Great vid, great editing and great voice overs.

@saulflores8050 Год назад

I own a BMW e92 M3 and truly enjoy it. The up keep maintenance to keep them running and handling like new can be financially overwhelming to some. If you are fortunate to find one for a great price and plan to keep it and enjoy it I would still say yes to the project. The sound and performance you get still puts a smile to my face.

@ozhoneybadger Год назад

How much you spent on it

@saulflores8050 Год назад

@@ozhoneybadger only normal oil changes, differential change,power steering oil,transmission oil change. All done in my garage so just parts. Now I will be doing my Rod bearings at 100k miles more for piece of mind. That will be a out of pocket expense of 2500.00 in California . So at that point I will replace my motor mounts . No issues with throttle actuators or oil leaks so far at 92k miles. Unfortunately my 335is is a different story. I’ve replaced almost every gasket possible and turbos, water pump/ thermostat, injectors/coils, boost actuators. However now that I’ve replaced all of these parts it’s as amazing to drive as my M3.

@lenep9985 Год назад

Love that your so honest re the costs.....i wish other youtubers would do the same

@TheNorthernmunky 11 месяцев назад

Great work Aston

@Mrbfgray 2 месяца назад

THIS is why I'm glad the West USA doesn't salt roads and why I sought my E92 M3 from a non-salt state. Salt is one of the dumbest things we do to roads IMO. Very usefully interesting guys, well done.

@hevendranarayansamy2793 Год назад

Great video. Well done.

@albe3873 Год назад

Great video as always.

@carsaddicted Год назад

I really love mechanics vidéos.. good job guys

@aggie3344 6 месяцев назад

Great work as always 👌🏼

@lukas.krauss Год назад

Lovely to finally see S65 content again 👍🏽 When it comes to rust you should really check out the underside of the trunk, even some low mileage cars have rust there.

@tbirdboy Год назад

F'ing pro work! Love to see a dedicated BMW tech exercising his talent. Nice and tidy work. Well done.

@abushamsoodien4971 Год назад

Big eye opener this video

@stevejames4230 Год назад

Great video, thanks for sharing the costs 👍

@achromaticwraps Год назад

I could watch Aston talking about cars for 10 hours straight! Great series

@laykawest8674 Год назад

Been waiting for this car’s update 🔥

@tamikomuschette4541 Год назад

Great content as per usual 👏🏽 👌🏽 👍🏾

@schryvel Год назад

Great video that shows the realities of mileage and importantly time. The question of whether or not it’s worth it may depend on the spec or color combo. As time goes on and these become less numerous, the answer may change.

@roadmantop3769 Год назад

Love these features 🤛

@heisenfeis Год назад

I did something similar with a Chevrolet 1979 Caprice Classic, replaced all the trailing arms in the rear (4 pieces) all double wishbones in the front (4 pieces) all springs and shocks too. I can feel your excitement in the video, when driving the car after the fix! (the parts cost me 1400 Euro shipped from USA, did the fix myself) My car obviously had never been touched tho nothing was loose the rubber was like 40 years old and full of big horizontal cracks so loose under pressure but not loose enough during an MOT or inspection to warrant change. All in all it was not worth it, but to me it was. Nothing beats driving a "brand new" 40 year old car for under 1500 euros! (and a weekend of elbow grease) :) The engine is a 350 or 5.7L V8 with only 300hp but it rides good.

@PakmanR3 Год назад

Love this content brotha.

@M3E92V8 Год назад

Props to the mechanic !

@simontist Месяц назад

For diagnosis of this kind of thing, mount a camera under the car pointed at the suspension components in question then take the car on a test drive. You'll see which parts are moving around. EDIT: and wheel alignment, especially toe, can have a massive effect on handling especially with low-profile tyres

@tonymoreton7166 Год назад

Great job. The Monte Carlos are fairly desired but sure you're right you wouldn't get the money back at the mo. But, you've kept it alive. I've put 116k miles on my 2010 manual Monte Carlo & will be keeping it going.

@BoHorror Год назад

I’ve been waiting for this video for ages 🤣👌🏻

@ElliotsM3 Год назад

Thanks for the run down on prince think I need my sub bushes done

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Made an absolutely huge difference! Can fully recommend. Looking forward to trying the solid bushes at some point.

@Aizman87 5 месяцев назад

Its amazing that you can get a car like that at all for such a low price. Coming from Norway these cars never go under 40k and that is the ones with highest milage. I love these projects tho! Great content🎉

@quanbaldwin3610 Год назад

good stuff

@shadleybam3140 Год назад

E9x m3 content=best content

@EuroAutoEnthusiast Год назад

It’s great to see a continuation of this high mileage example. Did anything ever come of the proposed MSS/Bilstein coil over kit to retain the EDC function? Hopefully that will be the content you mentioned near the end. Thanks again for the update! 🤝🏽💯

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Our Japan Red car is running the prototype dampers, just waiting for our first batch to come from Bilstein!

@EuroAutoEnthusiast Год назад

@@EvolveAutomotive I’m awesome to hear! I’ve replace control arms so far and that helped. May drop the subframe and replace bushings as well. 162k miles, still strong 👍🏽

@AreaCode865 Год назад

Wow, proper job 😎 Brilliant video, really useful for owners wishing to keep their cars, I bet some parts could be sourced at better prices. I’ve just bought a new subframe from EBay for my e90 335d for £350

@stevenpower3780 Год назад

Wow for 24k£ you can t get a e92 M3 here in germany who has seen such repairs. Regatless that the car has so many miles. Btw video editing is next level!!!

@majicflash22 Год назад

Hello from Florida 👌👌🔥

@nycshelbygt500 Год назад

Kudos to #AshtonMartin and the Evolve Krew. Nicely done. #NewCarSmell The rear wheel bearing are pressed out and pressed in, so it is easier to do this off the subframe/car. Also, if you want to change the rear sway bar or even refresh the rubber bushings, you have to drop the subframe. The two piece driveshaft develops a clunk, so change the front Guibo, Center Bearing, and rear CV Joint, plus all the bolts. In the US, you can get a remanufactured drive shaft with a serviceable U-Joint. The BMW OEM Driveshaft isn't serviceable. Adding stainless steel brake lines is recommended. Better brake pads is also advisable.

@jamesvilliers8777 Год назад

Great Vid. Your M5 looks menacing in the flesh. Was Southbound on the M1 yesterday evening(21st) in the Grey i4 M50 when you came past. My son loves your car and kept wanting me to chase you........ He doesn't yet understand the difference between A quick car and a QUICK car

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Your i4 looked great! I was taking it easy as normal on the M1 during the day 😁

@kierantilley2590 Год назад

That supra with the Alfa Romeo style wheels looks awesome, one of yours Imran? Also, the back end looks awesome with a new subframe, good job.

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

It is, a project car that’s getting ready to move on.

@jonty4664 Год назад

Well needed ☕️👈🏻

@carcrazyguysa4059 Год назад

I know its not quite Evolve level but would love to see you guys work on a high mileage 135i N55. Only because I have one😄😅

@torquesteer2657 Год назад

Great vid! Would love one of these at some point! Would it not help to replace rear shocks at same time? That would help tighten up the ride at the back as well.

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

We did a set of used dampers in a previous video, check it out if you missed it!

@torquesteer2657 Год назад

@@EvolveAutomotive Oh super I will check it out 👍🏻

@astaroth5024 Год назад

Saw an E92 M3 sold for $16500 here in America, and thought to myself that it was the deal of the century and hated not being able to go for it, but this series is enlightening me to the fact that maybe it would've been hell trying to get the car back up and running.

@matthewedwardfield Год назад

I hope you pay aston well, it seems he is the man for e92 m3's..if he was to do his own thing he would have a hell of a following.

@BestMotorWerks Год назад

Love the bmw ///m content...

@stephengreen3373 Год назад

Very good video, My e92 M3 failed it’s MOT today for the subframe being rotten…It has massive holes in it 😬 so mine is worse than this one. Wish me luck!

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Oh wow! That’s worrying to hear it was bad enough to fail and MOT. Hopefully you can do a few upgrades at the same time like we did here and notice a nice difference 🤞🏻

@zubair9668 Год назад

Hi really love this series. Just wanted to ask if there anything that needs to be changed on this due to high miles which people should be aware of like timing chain, water pump thermostat , alternator or anything of this sort?? Thank you

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Nothing we’ve found so far really, but time will tell.

@CoreRye Год назад

Good subframes used go for around £200-£250 so plenty could have been saved and put some money into restoring the floor from surface rust. I didn't realise BMW charged so much for the subframes new! Glad I got mine re-powdercoated.

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

You’d then still need to add the cost of new bushings, removing and replacing them, and having it refinished. Along with then still buying something that has worn. You definitely could, but for us we just decided to go new.

@roykenyon886 Год назад

A+ Guys

@laykawest8674 Год назад

Hopefully one day you guys will help us figure out some extra horsepower with some new engine modifications 🙏

@skreech01 5 месяцев назад

what is the torque spec for those 4 bolts that holds the subframe ?

@andy.bernard Год назад

You guys are crazy for dropping that whole rear sub, while on a 4 point lift and nothing supporting the front engine. Lucky it didn't fly off the lift

@jamesh2515 Год назад

Think its generally best to pay the extra upfront in initial purchase price and have Low mileage / better condition platform to work from.. Great you done this , however its always going to be a high mileage car. Thanks for the video

@fgdgrddsew2 Год назад

I always buy my cars like this, might be more expensive, but cheaper in the long run. Has never let me down for over 19 cars.

@redryanswheels7419 Год назад

It depends on what you prefer isn’t it regardless the car now has near all brand new parts on that’ll drive better than a lower miler. I have e92 2013 m3 with 38k mileage and done the subframe bushes diff bushes everything on the rear new and it’s amazing. Brand new But it’s other things like bodywork and stuff if you want it perfect.

@Schnitzer325ci Год назад

Worth it as long as you do it for the ride, not for the money. Spending money on a car rarely adds to it's value unless you're a trader or garage.

@jamest5149 Год назад

Imran… what coat are you wearing and is it fully water proof?

@akkando Год назад

Got to put solid bushings into the rear subframe.

@will24655 Год назад

I did this job on a SEAT Leon. When I dropped the subframe, it was like paper, you could poke a screwdriver through it in most places.

@angelmatos1704 7 месяцев назад

Can you help me with the sos code I’m getting on my dash. I have no sound coming out of the radio🙏

@floatawaypresentsncpmfg8977 Год назад

Have you guys done a differential swap to a 3.62 with a DCT? Just a suggestion for another vid to see if it actually helps or hurt the cars performance 0-60 or 0-100. I’ve read mixed reviews.

@naimjacobs2372 Год назад

High mileage or not it's still a great car though and it's even better now after all the tlc you guys have given it

@TurtlesandStuff. Год назад

Great video. Would it be possible to get a list of part numbers? Or is it just too many haha

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Honestly too many to list! Head to realoem.com and you can find all the part numbers for what you need there.

@pimpsahan55 Год назад

are the bad bushing give jumpy acceleration on 1st gear ?

@heisenfeis Год назад

4:20 Disassembly 9:40 Assembly Quick timestamps to help myself out.

@BoHorror Год назад

So to get the Japan Red M3 feeling as fresh as the newly renovated blue M3, all you’d have to do is put some new bushings, and you should be set ?

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

That’s the subject of the next video!

@Assimilator1 Год назад

I'm curious to know, when Aston pre-loaded the suspension with the jack, how did he know how high to jack it? Measured from the ctr of the hub to the wheel arch?

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

When the spring is compressed to the point of starting to take the weight off the jacking point on that corner.

@DG-xj7pm Год назад

Love if you guys shared the cost of all the repairs.....

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

We did? 🤔

@2of2DCH Год назад

Ooph not a cheap job, and that labor is a big chunk. Cost vs benefit analysis at the end was interesting. I was wondering about the costs to refresh against buying a lower mileage one. Seems lower mileage is the way to go. UNLESS you can do the work yourself eh. Aston, with his skills, could a great car flipper. lol

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

In our next video we’ll investigate this and make a final decision.

@ScottPC Год назад

What do you make of bushing inserts? Any good?

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Haven’t tried them on this platform, but on F2x rear they made a decent difference for the price.

@Hcarmad Год назад

Another great vid but the money is showing it’s not really cost effective to do it this way. Still a good watch 👍🏽

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

We incurred some extra costs with the subframe replacement for sure. But then you save on a little labour replacing bushes. The question for the next episode is, does it drive better than a 24k car?

@sinnysinsin_ Год назад

Cost effective and M3 will never belong in the same sentence. There's no such thing even if you bought a minter!

@Hcarmad Год назад

@@sinnysinsin_ true true

@sinnysinsin_ Год назад

@@Hcarmad weird thing with M3s is that if you're not replacing worn parts you're upgrading and uprating the others 😂

@Hcarmad Год назад

@@sinnysinsin_ that policy applies to all enthusiasts no matter the car, always upgrading when replacing and always look for the next tasteful mod 😎

@AndyG385 Год назад

Bit of anti-seize compound wouldn't go a miss

@diogo1966 Год назад

Why do u torque down the swaybar bushings? Once the car is on the ground on its own weight the swaybar is going to move, the bushings will be twisted and wear out much quicker

@chrisg4rr377 Год назад

The antiroll bar can move anyway. Its really not a issue that the internet makes it out to be

@RichardHilverts Год назад

Its not an vulcanized connection between the swaybar and the bushing. So it is allowed to move. That is opposite to the bushings of the suspension arms which are vulcanized on both sides and therefore have to be torqued in driving position.

@theurbanegentleman4550 Год назад

Was it the case that you didn’t observe much corrosion on the cars chassis itself? Asking as I bought a high mileage E92 M3 that’s gone through a few winters and will likely perform a similar service in the future. It’s my impression that the E92 is phenomenally weatherproofed

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

There was the beginnings of some surface rust, but nothing that was to cause concern compared to what we would see on E36/46

@fraserp8930 Год назад

Why when you had the subframe out did you not clean and rust protect the underside?

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Because this car is not having a full restoration. We are just sorting it mechanically. Its not a worthy investment for us to do anything else. We have a lower mileage Japan Red M3 which is the pampered one.

@fraserp8930 Год назад

@@EvolveAutomotive It wouldn't cost too much to clean and put a spray on underseal surely? And it would be alot cheaper than cutting out and rewelding the boot floor as a bit of preventative maintenance was done? Especially since all the hard work and time to remove the subframe? Good work on all of the other restoration work though. The old subframe was a bit of a mess..

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Would be 2-3 days of work to do properly and something we are not at all equipped to do. It would literally be throwing money away for little to no gain other than it looking nice. Our M3 CSL, Z3M etc are worthy candidates of that treatment, not a high mileage E92.

@Vince32. Год назад

But the question still is, if you don't have the budget to buy a low mileage e92 but can afford a high mileage one. Is it still worth it to own.

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Based on how our car came to us, and you couldn’t spend any money on it? No.

@dazsolimani2437 Год назад

Love a high mileage could u get and high mileage e46 ❤

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Perhaps in the future

@mastacrx Год назад

What are the marks on the bolts for?

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

To remember what has had its final torque process done. Helpful when carrying out a larger job with many processes. It can also be a marker to see if things have shifted in the future.

@mastacrx Год назад

@@EvolveAutomotive Thanks, that's very helpful!

@claudioagmfilho Год назад

🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Loved the video!

@adogmcdizzle Год назад

Maybe for the purposes of this series, stripping and coating the underside of the car would have been cost prohibiitive, but since rust is what is most likely end this cars life for good, I would have sorted out all of the corrosion underneath, that way in many ways it would be better than a much lower mileage car - which could even be well on its way to this condition anyway. The rest of the car might be good for another 10-15 years at this point, but any kind of regular winter use might see you back underneath again before long having to make more structural repairs.

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Long term issues for this car are not our problem to fix. Would rather put that money into the Japan Red one when it's required.

@bloodysinner9456 Год назад

Zero attempt to clean / blast / paint the differential?

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Yes

@Waqar_a9 Год назад

there is a reason its called budget build and if it is functioning properly no need to do it

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

@@Waqar_a9 exactly

@warpspeed9877 Год назад

man...at 9:50 such a pitty to mount all those dusty unloved parts onto a brand new subframe. The rear differential could use a bit of sand blasting too.

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Not trying to make it anything but mechanically sound. Not keeping this car as we have a lower mileage Japan Red M3 which is the cherished one.

@chrisp4899 Год назад

What about selling tickets to win it

@basschannelsa7155 Год назад

Imran, I miss the VMAX200 vids🥺

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

The event stopped so bit difficult to make those video 😅

@basschannelsa7155 Год назад

@@EvolveAutomotive ohh, makes better sense now

@jvictormp Год назад

you need to restore those wheels to original aspect (polished faces) asap! car's going to pop up right away.

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

They need binning for Comp pack wheels

@jvictormp Год назад

@@EvolveAutomotive sure, better idea!

@Aznprada Год назад

Isn't it Melbourne Red? Not Japan red?

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

No. It's Japan Red. Not Melbourne Red.

@garnetheron4885 Год назад

In addition to that restoring right now to T D I Volkswagens $5000 just for one engine on the O2 end of a Redi restored a O2 1.80 wagon that I paid $600 for he was on his way to the scrapyard know it’s late and you hate new cars fits in the old

@McDonnell87 Год назад

Any chance you might put a harrop supercharger on this car? :)

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Absolutely none 🤣

@McDonnell87 Год назад

@@EvolveAutomotive well bugger blokes gotta try to see it done somewhere lol

@James-P96 Год назад

Must be cold in that workshop imran

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

It is in winter 🥶

@garnetheron4885 Год назад

I don’t think it matters how much it cost to restore an older car nowadays because the newer cars have so many computers and then in the future batteries so it is worth it no matter the cost just restore the BMW one series for my daughter probably could’ve bought a new car for her didn’t care it was an 09 with a six speed totally worth it

@jan8ritz Год назад

The UK seems like a terrible place with all the corrosion geez.

@dietervmorgan Год назад

The newer cars are very fast but they seem to lack the character of the older models. If you end up spending 60k including the cost of the car and you have something you love you’re ahead VS spending 100k on something new.

@cremephoto Год назад

Well put. My E92 M3 is still more emotional to me over the F80 comp, so the kids can grow up and get back to enjoying this modern classic. The numbers make sense.

@dietervmorgan Год назад

@@cremephoto Amen I miss MY E92.

@gingerbadger Год назад

I’ve got a 57k miles 2012 and my subframe looks horrific! Totally unrelated but my friend wants to borrow your subframe just to test something…

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

That subframe is long gone to become tin cans 😅

@gingerbadger Год назад

@@EvolveAutomotive ha! If you need to do a reshoot of this video I’m happy to donate my car… 😂

@497adam Год назад

Real shame you didn’t bother to even spray a bit of anti corrosion on the under body

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

Complete waste of time and resources for this car.

@497adam Год назад

15 mins with a wire brush and and a waft over with some under seal ? When you are spending 1.5k on a subframe and you have access . I understand it’s a project/RU-vid car but I’m guessing you’ll sell it on

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

@@497adam really zero interest or motivation to clean it or underseal this particular car.