A simple fix for the rear end of our 152,000 mile E92 M3?

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A simple fix for the rear end of our 152,000 mile E92 M3?
As this project has gone on we've isolated and fixed many flaws with the car, but it's become more and more obvious just how poor the rear end suspension is! The car has stability on the rear axle, meaning lack of traction and exaggerated movement when pushing on.
Many people upgrade the subframe bushes on these cars, but being high mileage we wanted to investigate a cheaper fix, the easier to change rear suspension arms. Could this cure the problems we are having?
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@DefaultLoginDetaiIs 2 года назад

Incremental changes and reviewing the results at each step is more useful to the viewers. Great idea for a video series. Hope to see similar done on other cars when this M3 is finished!

@danmcgowan4761 2 года назад

Another great video guys! I remember a few years ago before I did my Rod bearings on my 2009 E-92 with 82 k miles on it when I had it in my local BMW dealer in Vermont for the heater recall. They told me that the rod bearings are not an issue on these cars to not worry about it. I found that very strange. That’s why I find your videos so helpful for any E-92 M3 owner. So thank you!

@NewEra0G 2 года назад

Supercharger time! ESS G1

@michalandrascik2162 2 года назад

I like the rational and budget oriented philosophy with this car, which is the attitude of most of normal people, not the millionaires. Thank you for this kind of advisory

@Stoney1985 2 года назад

Please clean up and paint/powdercoat the rear subframe when you drop it. Coming from Australia, seeing the rust on everything pains me.

@CmdrStukov 2 года назад

I agree. It would be interesting if they mentioned how much it would cost to powdercoat.

@ssully1069 2 года назад

Love this series!

@Hcarmad 2 года назад

Love that you’re budget conscious with the revival of this high mileage beast. Good progress and my man Imran in camo and khaki??!! So used to seeing you in black 😁

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Mid life crisis

@Hcarmad 2 года назад

@@EvolveAutomotive 😆

@hovnojede010101 2 года назад

Liking this series a lot! Now powdercoat the subframe and get rid of those tired rear lamps!

@krmatiu 2 года назад

Loving this series

@naterockwell7735 2 года назад

Nicely done! I can’t wait for that next video!

@paulhelden 2 года назад

Love the E92, this series is the best

@nycshelbygt500 2 года назад

That shiny leather on the steering wheel calls for a new custom rewrapped one from Royal Steering Wheels. If you are dropping the rear subframe, then the exhaust has to come down. So it is a good time to replace the two-piece driveshaft. If you hear a metallic clunk when shifting into drive or reverse then a worn driveshaft is the source. You can really hear the clunk in a parking garage. The BMW unit has 3 parts to replace...front rubber Guibo donut, Center Bearing, and the rear CV joint. To save money, just replacing the center bearing usually does the trick....but inspect the rubber Guibo. You have to replace all the bolts too. Turner Motorsports sells a rebuilt unit that has a serviceable U-Joint. The BMW unit U-Joint between the two halves isn't serviceable and is a source of noise and failure.

@harrywilkinson444 2 года назад

Now you've got my listening for clunks haha, would you hear it if the car was in the air? I'll probably look at this preventatively when I do the rear end underside restoration in the future.

@arisherwood4635 2 года назад

Super helpful again! Love this series. Will likely change up these three arms on my 69k E92 M3 in the spring to see the difference it makes. Feel like it’s probably a bit early for subframe and diff bushings, but interested to see which way you go with those!

@pins69 2 года назад

Love the car, love the video & love the passion you put into it

@naimjacobs2372 2 года назад

Another great video and im glad to see the M is being brought back to life bit by bit👊🤙

@philrob110 2 года назад

Nice video Imran. Totally agree on the comment RE loading it up settles it down. One of the BEST things I did on mine was to fit a set of Powerflex (Purple) Diff bushes. The difference was remarkable in how much more sure footed it felt. Never got around to the subframe bushes due to the labour involved. Slight increase in NVH/whine with the Purple Poly bushes around 55mph, but the tradeoff with how much more settled it felt was worth it.

@dansully5927 2 года назад

I did this, the 3 purple diff bushes and the whine isn’t all bad but can be annoying over a long period ! Glad it’s not my diff on its way out

@markgwyther6137 2 года назад

Nice one buddy really enjoying this one. Find myself looking forward to the next video every episode. Why don’t you sell some tickets and giveaway once you’re finished with ?? I know it’s high mileage but it is a a 92 m3 😍 Keep up the good work gents 👏👏👏

@TheNorthernmunky 2 года назад

Aston bein a legend again! Great work

@Nqabasongo 2 года назад

Big fan of this build!!!

@andrewgeorge2562 2 года назад

Great video very informative.

@matthias_372 2 года назад

Great review, very helpfull

@TREBRON82 2 года назад

Great series guys. All I would want to see before buying one. Thx

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Thanks for watching! 🙌🏻

@richardtrow2751 2 года назад

Very nice 👌 every little bit helps 👍

@saferandquieteroads 2 года назад

great to watch

@AlexCapi 2 года назад

Love the videos on this car

@MrRoyck10 2 года назад

Useful content Imran especially for mare mortals like me who despise spending money on liabilities such as cars.

@claudioagmfilho 2 года назад

🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻👏🏻, Well, an awesome way to discover and find out what this car really needs in terms of its suspension. Breaking it down into parts what this suspension really needs, as you experience the car right after each modification, and at the same time, you are compare it to your red M3, which has the perfect example of what a good suspension should be. This way you can see not only what are the steps to making it work better, but also know how much you are really spending on it …

@farhadhjosias7792 2 года назад

Give us more contents,,,keep it coming 😎😎😎

@chriswashburn9430 2 года назад

That wishbone arm has ball joint bushings in it. It’s supposed to articulate like that.

@gregeersteling949 2 года назад

Well I have a 09 mini Cooper S that was recently hit left quarter panel and had broken lower control arm also and hasn't been driving properly since I got it back from the body shop after. Even though everything was replaced, but at high speeds it makes a tire sound toward the left side. What do you think it is?

@hermannweinzierl5731 2 года назад

very cool

@machtschnell7452 2 года назад

If you really feel the rear end is too loose, you may want to go to polyethylene rear subframes mounts. You can go solid, but NVH may well be too intense. I would have done that first as it is the base for everything else. Now you will have repeat labor for disconnecting your newly installed links. Do attend to the differential mounts also at the same time. An adjustable rear toe link is a nice addition, too.

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

We are doing this in stages to show the differences, of course we will end up recovering our steps but this experience allows us to advise customers more accurately about how to best spend money.

@CovKid2K10 2 года назад

Nice Monaco

@adsmith108 2 года назад

Where did you get parts from?

@laurencemajury8422 2 года назад

Aston is great make it all look so easy

@luminiferousaether6151 2 года назад

It would interest me to know what levels of wear the transmission and lsd clutch packs have experienced during this time.

@NewEra0G 2 года назад

They should do a DCT teardown and how to upgrade the parts

@censorshipBS Год назад

Can this be done on any rwd e92? As in use m3 parts in this video on a 330d e92

@micraw714 2 года назад

Off topic but do you guys feel that changing the fuel injectors preventatively is necessary for the S65? I saw a video today discussing relatively common failure rates and I had never heard that before... only on the S85 🤔

@MikelDog 2 года назад

It's all about fuel quality and whether the fuel filter is serviced. Injectors fail because the baskets degrade. They'll only degrade if anything foreign passes through that ain't fuel

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

It’s something we’re keeping an eye on at the moment, don’t consider it common, but if you wanted to be 100% changing the injectors and fuel pump (for the filter) would be a good idea.

@FernandoRodriguez-uu6fj Год назад

Great series of videos. I was wondering, what about all the oxidation that can be seen in the chassis underneath? Is something to worry about or is it normal?

@EvolveAutomotive Год назад

We have the next instalment of this series going live tonight, and we discuss that very problem!

@FernandoRodriguez-uu6fj Год назад

@@EvolveAutomotive oh thats great. I m in the hunt of one of these. Will definetely check it out!

@jamesstone7597 2 года назад

These videos & updates are what’s needed on these right now given the current post COVID price rise they’ve had, given a decent mileage e92 M3 is 20k+ currently a lot of people could overlook having to budget for this sort of work down the line, keep the updates coming 👊🏻

@nurburgringuk 2 года назад

Loving this series Imran. My M2 covered many trackdays from new each year and a total of 36k in 3.5 years of ownership, now that I have replaced it with a practically new M2C (2000 miles) I can certainly feel the difference an almost identical car feels like with fresh arms and bushes compared to a 36k car (with relatively hard miles) feels like and I’d be inclined to change bushes (as well as dampers) at around 40/50k depending on use. Having owned many used cars with varying mileage of 50 - 100k they could all have used a freshen up a lot sooner than 152k. I can only imagine the previous owner of this M3 either thought they all drove like that or that this one was a bit crap! Look forward to the next one 👍🏻

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

I think that is the problem. If people come from a lesser car they will think its better than what they had but don't know what it should really be like. I agree with you 36k hard miles would definitely need a refresh!

@Warich0d0 2 года назад

Do you think all versions of e92 m3 are on the rise in price or still got further to fall, looking at a manual coupe at around 20k do you think they will go up

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Believe they’re pretty much on their way back up, may soften a little over winter but not a huge amount.

@Warich0d0 2 года назад

@@EvolveAutomotive thank you for the reply, sounds like there’s not been a better time to get into one before in a few years they take off and are not affordable

@Motorsports_3 2 года назад

@@Warich0d0 u should of got one last year

@Warich0d0 2 года назад

@@Motorsports_3 benefit of Hind sight eh haha, I’m sure they will just keep increasing from now

@rehan323 2 года назад

Who knew Guz Khan was an M3 enthusiast - respect.

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Have you not seen Army of Thieves on Netflix ?

@BoHorror 2 года назад

I see you changed the rear suspension arms and front suspension arms with basically OEM TRW replacements, but if you had to go further and if the cost wasn't a issue(Balls to the Walls Scenario) . What would you guys do in terms of upgrades/ which brand of suspension arms would you use?

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Truthfully we have not gone to that level so cannot advise fully, would do some research and identify what needs to be upgraded. I know on the front arm changing that to a spherical bush rather than rubber is popular. It's something we may look to in the future, but this would be focusing the car further for track use rather than road.

@NewEra0G 2 года назад

SPL Arms would do well! Or Turner, Bimmerworld!

@BoHorror 2 года назад

@@EvolveAutomotive 100%

@clippertee849 5 месяцев назад

@evolve Do you supply these parts ? And track rod end for front

@EvolveAutomotive 5 месяцев назад

We can yes, email sales@evolveautomotive.com

@mohshinaziz5983 2 года назад

The main takeaway from this episode is: chances are suspension components and bushings fail together in the same time. Rather than repair step by step, should just do all at one go and save some labour in terms of repetitive work, and just get one alignment at the other end rather than 3 like you will have to do so eventually.

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

We are doing this in stages as a learning exercise, to try and figure out if there are certain areas that make more improvements than others. We aren’t suggesting an owner copies our exact route, but that we can advise people better from our gained knowledge.

@mohshinaziz5983 2 года назад

Yeah, by you guys doing this in stages provides an excellent comparison for us viewers. It's a masterclass really. Not only you start to understand what each component does, it maps your mind to understand the hands, the feet, the fingers of the car so to speak.. I superbly enjoy it... I hope you will repeat this on my current favourite car, BMW E39 540 automatic.

@kgottsman 2 года назад

@@EvolveAutomotive thank you for the content. Mine is getting close to 100k miles and I am learning a lot from the series.I plan to keep mine forever so this is great future advice.

@FaithlessM3 2 года назад

Hi Imran. I fitted KW v3 to my 2012 M3 and there is now a knock, from the rear. In your experience, could this be due to the Sway bar drop links?

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Incredibly hard to say without hearing it in person.

@FaithlessM3 2 года назад

@Evolve Automotive true. Planning on getting all of the bushes replaced (subframe, diff, arms, drop links), which I know is a bit nuclear option, but I'm not selling it, any time soon, so will get to enjoy it, at its best, for many years. Now all I have to do is get it all ordered and stop my neighbours leaving dents in it 🙄

@Rijoka.y 2 месяца назад

what is this exact colour its amazing

@EvolveAutomotive 2 месяца назад

Monte Carlo Blue

@Nathan93Baker 2 года назад

Is the rust on the subframe not a concern?

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

No, it’s surface.

@flaviokart16 2 года назад

Aston should set up his own Aston Martin garage 😁

@abrarali7351 2 года назад

Can you tell me how much the rod bearings were? Parts and labour

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

We charge £1650 inc VAT

@abrarali7351 2 года назад

@@EvolveAutomotive would you say the maintenance of a 330/335 would be the same cost-wise as an M3 or would it be much, much less? Are you planning to do a series with a 330/335 (convertible) like you did with the high mileage M3? I'm looking at M3's, but might be too expensive for me too maintain so I'm looking at the next best thing. Keen to hear your thoughts though.

@rubindastoor5629 2 года назад

Yikes that rear subframe looks like it was sitting in the ocean the past few years. How's the integrity of the subframe?

@micraw714 2 года назад

Yep looks like it was chillin next to the titanic haha

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Nothing to overly worry about, it’s all surface rust and would tidy up fairly well. Clearly been used in winters with road salt.

@tomsky8414 Год назад

Nice intro

@kenrossaukrsa 2 года назад

IMO it’s also the diff rubber mountings that also make the handling feel looser.. What? £100ph labour??

@merve500 2 года назад

Love the hat imran. You look like you off duck hunting!

@shadleybam3140 2 года назад

Are e9x m3 videos your most watched videos?😍

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

They’re certainly still our most popular model customer wise.

@robreeves9825 2 года назад

'Look how sloppy that is'. - Haha! someone has to sample that sound bite and put it over something else.

@jamielearmonth1039 2 года назад

Aston been scrapping? lol. nice shiner.

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Back to his boxing training, clearly a bit out of practice 🤕

@carcrazyguysa4059 2 года назад

That sub frame needs a proper dry ice cleaning!

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Needs a lot more than that.

@tubejorrit 2 года назад

subframes on e90's are very prone to rust sadly.

@JordzyBrev 2 года назад

Nightmare these cars are to track, always seized when they come in to my work 😂

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Think Aston will be quite satisfied when we change the seized rear camber bush 😂

@JordzyBrev 2 года назад

@@EvolveAutomotive be interesting to see done, we normally turn them away when seized 🤣

@ksm1985 2 года назад

Need those tail pipes cleaned 😁

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Realised today we haven’t even washed it yet 😂

@david_vash 2 года назад

My boy Imran always wearing some drippy clothes

@hussamjamil4980 2 года назад

Anytime you torque suspention components, you need to pre-load them. One way is to use an engine/transmission jack and "load" the part, the other is on the jack, but never torque them "freely", just premature stressing new bushings. Should had just dropped the rear subframe and changed those bushings as well. Now you are doing the work twice and wheel alignment again, makes no sense to me.

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

Correct, and you can see us do that, as we do whenever torquing up suspension bushings. We are doing this in stages to show incremental change and find out what components actually make a difference. At the end of this process we will be able to more accurately advise customers.

@hussamjamil4980 2 года назад

@@EvolveAutomotive My mistake, since i did not see the pre-loading of components when torqueing. Well yes, but if it is the original, replacing one arm/bushing makes no sense. Just "do it once, do it right" mentality.

@EvolveAutomotive 2 года назад

No, but the mentality of change everything all at once is often a shotgun technique when just a few components actually require changing. We aren’t suggesting anyone follow our exact steps. This car is a research tool for ourselves, and at the end of the project we will layout our findings.