Can robots be creative? - Gil Weinberg

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People have been grappling with the question of artificial creativity -- alongside the question of artificial intelligence -- for over 170 years. For instance, could we program machines to create high quality original music? And if we do, is it the machine or the programmer that exhibits creativity? Gil Weinberg investigates this creative conundrum.
Lesson by Gil Weinberg, animation by TOGETHER.

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@Sunspot9522 9 лет назад

You have to create a robot with an imperfect setting for it to be able to be creative, for all creativity is based upon our imperfect perspective on life

@zethwitt384 4 года назад

But then one must ask themselves how does one create an imperfect robot? If the programming is not completely correct then a robot will not be able to execute it's prime function, how does one program imperfection into a system that relies on perfection?

@NortheastGamer 4 года назад

@@zethwitt384 There is nothing in your comment that is correct or coherent, everyone is dumber for having read it.

@kxam2 4 года назад

Not really creativity is an evolutionary trait humans evolved to find clever ways out of problems.

@J.5.M. 3 года назад

@@NortheastGamer Lolll that's a brutal roast. Maybe you can explain where his comment is lacking or why it's incorrect?

@NortheastGamer 3 года назад

@@J.5.M. There's a phrase in science which is relevant: "not even wrong". Which applies to something that is so incorrect, it's not even wrong. Asking for how to correct such a statement is like looking at a student who responded to 2 + 2 = ___ with "Banana" and asking "Well, how far off were they?". You can't add or subtract from their answer to arrive at something correct. You have to erase it, or better yet, burn the paper it was written on, and start over from scratch. Also, just so you know: My previous comment was a variation of a quote from the movie Billy Madison, which is a good movie, you should watch it.

@djdedan 9 лет назад

create original ideas? most humans would fail that test!

@AakashKalaria 9 лет назад

It depends on how people understand word "original".

@Sam-A 9 лет назад

***** That i couldn't say better , you are right

@mariemillien6117 9 лет назад

question #1 tell a joke :3 :3 = 3 = triangle = pyramid = illuminati question #2 do a troll etc.

@elidrissii 9 лет назад

Everyone right now can write up a grammatically correct, *and* meaningful text that has never been written before. There. Just did one.

@mariemillien6117 9 лет назад

Carl Friedrich Gauss "you act as if we're all not as insecure as you" ~Jorvyn Jossph I hope that was original

@lordilluminati5836 8 лет назад

the problem with that evolutionary algorithm is that in the end it would yield the predefined "ideal" melody, and ultimatly it would never come up with musical phases of it's own

@rosaradioactiva8974 8 лет назад

Talk about today's pop music :p

@nomadicvoxel5670 8 лет назад

+Sophia Lobos Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought that... ...wait a second...

@collin1001 7 лет назад

what if we stop it at a certain amount of times redone, save each stage, or flat out program it to cancel an output if it's the same? or all of the above?

@manishandu 6 лет назад

A solution to that would be a fitness function that evolves over generations. But I'm not sure if anyone has thought about it.

@Luckyyshot 6 лет назад

+Collin Saving the most fit genome each let's say 10 generations could result in 'terrible' music, and if a human were to cycle through and choose which to present and throw out, then you might as well make a random music generator and get a human to cycle through those. Just 'killing' the genomes with the same output as what the fitness function was based on will just result in, very similar results as the ones you've 'killed' (basically still the same piece of music). +Manish Kumar Jha If you plan to make a genetic algorithm to determine a fitness function for the music creator, you have to create a fitness function for that algorithm too, and when the 'perfect' fitness function is reached, the 'perfect' piece of music is also reached, so it will also end at a certain point. Personally I would rather look into making a fitness function based on certain patterns that are considered good in certain genres. I don't pretend to know much of creating music, but as far as I understand, certain combinations go 'good' together, and others don't. You could probably use that to create an interesting fitness function that would yield some interesting results.

@TheReaMrBurntSausage 8 лет назад

I think it's important to note that recreation isn't creativity. The most creative art styles can stop being creative if it us mimicked or overdone. True creativity is the ability to defy common convention or the norm, and still create a quality product

@kaiplue 9 лет назад

Yes, but how do you explain Daft Punk?

@user-im9cg5dg1n 3 года назад

Uhhh

@user-im9cg5dg1n 3 года назад

Bababoi

@asaduzzaman2007 3 года назад

It hurts now

@ceka50 8 лет назад

I think creativity comes from the personal emotional response derived from the creation

@Jangofett165 8 лет назад

3:08 Op. 28 No. 4 Prelude in E minor, Frédéric Chopin

@mbagaro6861 8 лет назад

Thanks so much!

@asmaaali4681 7 лет назад

F/A-18 Hornet Thanks!

@teamyordle23 4 года назад

I love you! When I heard that melody I paused the video and I just had to know what it was called.

@caueferreira6774 3 года назад

Oh my god, you're an angel. Thank you very much! hahaha I was in the same situation as the guy above, trying to search it up on Google with no luck. Just needed to know the name of such a melodic and touching song

@Gadget-Walkmen 3 года назад

From the movie The Pianist!

@jrilo1307 Год назад

"A machine can pass the lovelace test if it can produce an outcome that its designers cannot explain looking its code" Looks like my programming exams can pass this test

@pustota7254 Год назад

Lel

@TheSiddhiDesai 9 лет назад

The music in the background is a little distracting, it could have been more subtle or at least a bit more soft. The video was great nonetheless, just giving this critique since it's the content that's important and I was getting distracted from it.

@ChickFilA_Sauce 6 лет назад

Siddhi Desai ai wouldn't have made that mistake

@Sparkette Год назад

"Sort by" → "Newest first"

@SangoProductions213 9 лет назад

By the dictionary definition: "relating to or involving the imagination or original ideas, especially in the production of an artistic work." Therefore, so long as something isn't copying someone else's work, it's creative. Robots can create artistic works, including visual and audible functions. Well, boom definition fulfilled. Time to move the goal post.

@desu38 9 лет назад

2:56 Anyone else think of Veritasium?

@magicandmagik 9 лет назад

LOL

@arathisuraj856 9 лет назад

Me too!

@Alex2Buzz 9 лет назад

Yup.

@ketheranechromate7479 9 лет назад

desu38 Yes.

@umnikos 7 лет назад

me!

@manny27392 9 лет назад

The piece at 3:08 is Prelude in sandstorm minor by darude

@suffixable 9 лет назад

Jean-Adrien Oikonomou Yes, it's played in sandstorm minor scale. Very pleasant to hear. marvelous.

@ShawnRavenfire 9 лет назад

I've never been "moved" by any computer-created music. I always have pretty much the same reaction, which is, "Yeah, that's music all right." I think the problem is that humans didn't just evolve the ability to make things, but also the ability to think and feel. If you want a robot to REALLY be creative, you have to create a set of circumstances that would cause it to evolve an emotional awareness first, THEN try to figure out how to teach it music... Of course, if it's independently emotional, it may decide it doesn't want to be a composer, and that it would be happier doing something else. This is the catch-22 of artificial intelligence. We want to create a machine that will do what we tell it to do with the intelligence of a living person, but the moment it starts to think like a living person, it won't be compelled to do anything we tell it to anymore.

@RPGgrenade 8 лет назад

+Shawn Ravenfire maybe you should try to find music that doesn't really tell you whether or not a computer made it. It seems that bias is such a huge factor here. If you can't distinguish whether or not a human or robot wrote it, then you'd kind of be wrong.

@ShawnRavenfire 8 лет назад

RPGgrenade Possibly.

@IncogNidos 5 лет назад

@@RPGgrenade That is the problem, we human are biased and its in our mind that we want something that made or created by same creature as we are. Cant hide it!

@wren_. 2 года назад

Humans are really only good at pattern recognition, and robots are really only good at storing data. We would have to make a robot that thinks like a human and we can’t do that yet

@thexinventor47 5 лет назад

What if, instead of comparing one generated piece to a prewritten standard, the program created multiple tracks with different mutations and had humans rate which ones they preferred? I mean, that's pretty much how human art works. Creators put work out there, and audiences react to what they find appealing

@Goabnb94 9 лет назад

I don't believe that robots will be able to create truly beautiful melodies. They may be able to create pleasant sounding, even complex melodies and music, but until we get a true AI, it will just be a process of finding a melody based on what has come before. The idea of music is to express yourself - some of the most beautiful pieces of music where created by a composer who was feeling a certain way at the time. Consider songs from when the composer is sad and s/he wants to convey that through music. Can robots do that? Not yet I feel. They aren't creating music to communicate an idea, they are creating it because their programming tells them to, and their programming tells them how to find pleasant melodies. That is all they are doing. So I am not yet convinced. Consider the quote from Morgan Freeman as Red in The Shawshank Redemption: _"To this day I don't know what those Italian ladies were singing about. Truth is, I don't even want to know. I just hope they were singing about something too beautiful to say with words."_

@jackthmp 9 лет назад

A programmer making an algorithm to produce original music is like an "artist" throwing paint at a wall, the artist doesn't know how exactly the paint will spatter but they are still in control of the creation.

@ximecreature 9 лет назад

Very inspiring video. I'd add that in a sense, we are asking to an information-based creator to reach human notions. I feel that the machine can't produce right now because we are not really asking them to? As said, if a machine produce something purely on its own, are we really the ones that have the true ability to say if this process is creative? Or our judging minds, eyes and ears are biaised by our evolving notion of art?

@crownie3945 8 лет назад

The amount of programming it would take to do this would be overwhelming.

@jacobhaggis 7 лет назад

I don't think that this would pass the Lovelace test. As the narrator explained it, the robot has to produce something that the creator/programmer cannot explain in terms of the robots coding. In this case, even though the musical composition would be (strictly speaking) and original, the programmer could easily explain the process by which the robot produced it, sort of like how this video explains it, thus failing the creativity test. In reality the robot is still only following the instructions laid out for it by the programmer, who in this instance could pull double duty and call themselves the artist too. Because the robot is only ever responding to the programmer/artists original input, it's not correct to attribute creativity to the robot. The robot is just a tool, like a complex paintbrush that produces random strokes: It may look like it is painting of it's own volition, but in actual fact is was the artist that selected it in the first place.

@therealgandhi9079 9 лет назад

Maybe robots would have a different definition of beauty

@ryn7973 5 лет назад

i kinda hope that humans are the only things that can conceive beauty cuz that makes us special

@sarahnunez318 5 лет назад

Robots, even those that presume of AI, are coded. Beauty is such an abstract and distinctively human concept that it would be impossible for robots to have their own definition of beauty, because all they have to go about is the human definition of beauty (cuz there isn't any other definition of beauty, multiple ideas of what is considered beautiful, yes, but it is essentially the same concept) I don't know if I'm being clear, hope its understandable.

@pustota7254 Год назад

@@ryn7973 ah, well then! You are completely wrong and are quite an awful person!

@CraftyF0X 9 лет назад

Well, If we create a computer (and an algorhytm for it) and then its create something, Is this thing would be considered as the computer's creation or as our ? For example, when computers sequenced the human genom nobody thought it as the computer's achievement, rather than it was considered as OUR. On the other hand, if you have a child and he grows up to be a succesful person, nobody will dispute his own achivements even though the fact is that he was your child to raise. Whichever the case its probably depends on how we evaluate the role of our programing (raising) in relation to the result.

@Hi-rd1ok 5 лет назад

The music in this video is awesome!

@rhysduignan 9 лет назад

In terms of music, a lot of melodies etc, are similar to others. A lot of musicians are inspired by each other leading to a subconscious-like copying of each others sound. True musicians who do their own thing and break the mould are rare, and I doubt a robot could accomplish that. But I don't doubt that a robot could be programmed to compose songs that are similar to another musician's work.

@EnhantedSaber 9 лет назад

The fact that the video could explain it probably means that it would fail the test?

@roliftik2877 4 года назад

“What is human creativity anyways?”... deep

@KO-fh4vn 9 лет назад

I wish there was a list of the songs played in the description =/

@Blaineworld 7 лет назад

Compose all possible measures and program them into the computer then instruct it to randomly place them then choose random counting and wether it's Treble or Base then see what you get and maybe add in some extra conditions as well.

@brandonstednitz8408 9 лет назад

I feel that the issue sits on the Fitness Function. Generally speaking, any kind of artist, whether they are a writer, musician, painter, or sculptor, will go through a process of trial and error for an extended period of time before they even begin to consider asking anyone else what they think. This would more or less be the biological equivalent of the Fitness Function. However, in the case of the computer, it can't decide for itself what "the bar" is for the Fitness Function. We tell it whether we like it or not, and it mathematically analyzes those results to try again. It can't make the determination of "this is good" or "this is bad" without a monstrous sample size of outside feedback. In a way, actually, this means the mechanical Fitness Function is very similar to the biological Fitness Function. But they are processed in opposite directions.

@captainamurco Год назад

I always thought the answer this question is and would always be no, but now I'm not so sure. We aren't there yet but I think that there will be a day when we have to call the thing an AI created as being creative.

@burgercide 2 года назад

Natural phenomena like mountains, forests, thunder clouds, coral reefs etc. can literally make you weep with their beauty and complexity but they don’t come about by anything even remotely resembling human creativity.

@codiserville593 6 лет назад

So yeah intent and awareness are important; I'm glad it was brought up. Well a machine can never express itself can it? It will always do what we tell it to. So how can we appreciate or relate to something that has no thought?

@amari343 8 лет назад

At 2:57 I thought a Veritasium video was playing in another tab.

@MrEel-dc4kh 4 года назад

0:21 That is actually what Shimon (the composer) looks like-- I looked it up.

@RoyalDog214 9 лет назад

The music in the background was created by a machine. Source: I don't know, I just made that up.

@theaspiringengineer2511 9 лет назад

This is why I aspire to be a software engineer, so that I may hopefully contribute to advancements such as these. Although it is very simple, and new, my channel will hopefully inspire and help others learn how to code.

@NortheastGamer 4 года назад

As I was watching this I was thinking "This is like, almost a decade late considering what AI does today" then I checked the date. Damn, have we really come so far in so little time?

@derekmalaney6945 9 лет назад

Part of this video made me think that the question of robot creativity is just a rephrased musing on the intentional fallacy (i.e. should we consider the author's intent/purpose when evaluating art). In this light, it's possible that any artificial life form could create art. But we might also look at a robot composing symphonies as just a more complex compilation of list making. A computer isn't designing music or paintings as much as it is efficiently producing possibilities for art. It lacks inspiration, vision, and art's capacity to relate to humanity's shared experience. Perhaps it could replicate these three things via web searching, but as everyone knows, Internet Culture is not the same as "real" world culture and the robot would inevitably run afoul. In those cases in which it succeeds, it still requires at least one person's stamp of approval before becoming art, so in that respect, there can never be a separation between creativity and humanity.

@GoKotlinJava 2 года назад

So your are saying AI can make something but it has no heart in it.

@nikowill6979 6 лет назад

You can not define "Beautiful" that easy, art is much more complex than that.

@Higor_Alves 3 года назад

the most important thing is first know what is our intention and free will.

@itskelvinn 9 лет назад

This concept fascinates me. Id love to see artificial intelligence and the singularity in my lifetime

@ideacharlie 7 месяцев назад

And you will it seems

@SLAYER97501 7 лет назад

end question is key!!

@GrapeJuiceIII 9 лет назад

CHAPPIE IS AWARE! CHAPPIE CAN FEEL! CHAPPIE IS REAL!

@LordDragox412 9 лет назад

AND CHAPPIE WILL KILL JUST FOR THE THRILL! >:D

@GrapeJuiceIII 9 лет назад

KILLING IS CRIME! CHAPPIE PROMISED MAKER HE WOULDN'T DO CRIMES!

@LordDragox412 9 лет назад

thehfv MAKER IS DED. HE TURN'D INTO ZED. CHAPPIE GO SAD AND THEN HE GO MAD. CHAPPIE GRAB GUN, GUN GO KABLAM! MAKER'S NO MORE, HIS CORPSE ON THE FLOOR D:

@rowni 7 лет назад

1:55 IM DYING OVER THE HANDS BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN A FRAME FORM

@ScottDriscoll 9 лет назад

How does the evolution algorithm not just end up copying the "good" reference melodies? How does it compare the machine output to the reference to decide if it's good? An exact match? Same pitches? Same timing?

@JohnBaileyxroads 9 лет назад

It seems reasonable that machines or rather processes can be creative but the example given in the video is only creative by human selection. Modeling how humans form judgments about beauty or humor and then evolving a sequence that is literatively selected based on a machine's simulation of human judgment might get closer.

@Sebanoe 9 лет назад

The input of human subjectivity has deviated the process from true creativity but it's a promising first step in the right direction.

@francescosorce5189 6 лет назад

I think that we associate creativity with art, but that's not necessarely true. As the video shows, creative robots have already been made. What hasn't been made is artistic robots. It's not that something has to be aware to make an artistic creation, but one must make such creation so that it shows an idea or a point of view. Because a thing is creating something beatifull, but another is creating something beautifull and meaningfull. One doesn't require awareness to develope art, one requires Ideas to transform into art to create art.

@francescosorce5189 6 лет назад

So, the question becomes Can you have ideas and points of view if you aren't aware?

@sentrywar2582 8 лет назад

someone should build a robot that, when told to do something it hasn't been coded for, will compose it's own code for it. I get that that would eventually lead to robots telling themselves to overthrow us or some shit like that, but it would be cool. Extra points for if you can make it create rules for itself.

@HowlingWolves98 9 лет назад

Any idea what's the classical music played at 3:08?

@terryzuniga2473 6 лет назад

2:57 You used vertasiums intro sound effect :D

@toluadubi5990 3 года назад

Best science channel

@BallotBoxer 9 лет назад

Great video, but this is the second one with overuse of the golf swing sound effect for scene transitions (other video: Learning from smallpox: How to eradicate a disease - Julie Garon and Walter A. Orenstein). The sound effect is distracting. Takes me out of enjoying the intriguing information presented with clever animation.

@Bob-B-. 2 года назад

Portal's ending song was robot crafted. I'm making a note here: huge success.

@halvorhansen 8 лет назад

2:56 #veritasium

@umnikos 7 лет назад

yep, when I heard it I thought I accidentally launched a veritasium video or something...

@halvorhansen 7 лет назад

Haha same Alex Stefanov

@Rajat-Sharma1 6 лет назад

Does that mean it was created by bots?

@seonteeaika 9 лет назад

Once the AI reach human level intelligence in general, creative music making is a sideproduct of it. You don't need to teach algorithms to an intelligent AI, it will read books, listen and learn as we did. Problem is getting there. Genetic algorithms are propably not the end-solution to it. Recent new hardware ideas like learning processing units seem promising start.

@knowledgemagnet4077 4 года назад

1:33 the music is the best!!!

@eigenman2571 5 лет назад

That xylophone robot thing actually exists. It’s called shimon. Another piece of music you hear in this video is also played by the shimis, but composed by a human

@donaldhobson8873 7 лет назад

So my code passes the Lovelace test every time I get a bizarre inexplicable error?

@mehulahal9203 2 года назад

This comment is so underrated

@brianjosephmedia1086 9 лет назад

But can we humans be creative anyways? Like if you create a song, you're only making it based on the notes that your teachers told you that matched. You must follow melody rules. That's not very creative. It's original if it's never been arrenged in that order before. But at the end you were following rules that you've been learning all your life.

@cyberlollord6967 6 лет назад

I have made songs in my games witm my OWN rules!

@thomasholt3697 3 года назад

If you cant tell the difference, does it really matter?

@frost587 7 лет назад

Never thought about it like this. Wow! It was good.

@mihailazar2487 7 лет назад

02:58 ... isn't that the Veritasium intro sound effect ?

@Mustang-xy8ue 6 лет назад

It still only made a melody due to predefined patterns. It created the song due to the original program, in a way the programmers intended, and in a way easily explained. Completely failing the test. If the computer is programmed with evolutionary algorithm than it can only make music with pre-determined patterns of notes that have been decided to sound good together. Just like you explained. Which is not creative, and fails the stipulations of the test outright. If it makes random mixes, most will sound awful, which is not creative.

@wubcarp3319 9 лет назад

Surely machines are to deliberately induce emotion, they must first feel that emotion themselves.

@glitteryvieweraltray4369 5 лет назад

you are right partricho torre but mutiple perfect songscould fix that

@biohazard724 9 лет назад

By this definition it isn't creativity. Because it's still a human programed goal. Any creative endeavor should first please it's creator

@rahvithecolorful 9 лет назад

By this definition, a work created on commission (like a magazine article, a published book or comic, a commercial song or commissioned painting) can never be creative, since it has the input of others and it's a programmed goal and not something the creator does just because he wants to. Being creative, imo, just means you're creating something.

@shilohschwartz8671 6 лет назад

That makes no sense. Creativity just means doing dome thing in an unthought of, unorthodox, or original manner.

@frogcapevill4411 7 лет назад

But wouldn't it all create music that we already know and consider beautiful, rather than new melodies?

@2019inuyasha 9 лет назад

The original idea of what sounds were good or bad was determined by an outside person and thus this person was the composer with some random effects added in.

@ryandupuis5860 7 лет назад

Veritasium!! 2:58

@deannarobles2700 8 лет назад

BEAUTIFUL!! WELL DONE!

@laineyo9646 9 лет назад

Did I just spy with my little eye a narbonic reference at 1:02? If so you guys are awesome

3 года назад

If there is foreground music... there really shouldn't be background music.

@MrJeffrey938 3 месяца назад

Composerbot writes original, emotive and beautiful music using a comprehensive music theory created by the programer. It is not AI.

@isgdre 9 лет назад

Seems like your speaking about the Musical Software version of the Crocoduck.

@Epicnexxx 9 лет назад

Neural networks depend on number of inputs, so simulating a robot even in a virtual world but having that virtual world so "real" that it has every affector for humans, it can reach the "creativity" of human brain.

@fresch4395 5 лет назад

Well music isnt the best example I think. I mean look at skrillex, that sounds pretty random. Or even Hardstyle. There is an AI that created a story on its own by analyzing hundreds of books. It isnt well written and the wording sometimes is quite off, but it is actually fun to watch and the story has all kind of elements. Suspends, Love, Friendship. They even made a "movie" out of it with randomized characters and what not. just gotta look for "This short film is written entirely ba AI"

@Cod4Wii 6 лет назад

Creativity = to create something beneficial

@patrickpeng 7 лет назад

5:15 Shimon the Robot created the music we been hearing

@IncogNidos 5 лет назад

"Does it really matters Who or What it created?!" - Answer: Yes! It matter. We are humans, we have empathy and soul. (insert here expecting question such like "but what is empathy or what is a soul? Its just fake human creation and blah blah blah" . Even if AI learn from 1000 books and mimic an good book, its still imitation... and you may not agree with me, but creativity NEED a human TOUCH.

@vaibhavdimble9419 7 лет назад

human creativity is devoted to it self

@tomakist 2 года назад

You need to have a whole bunch of different music styles that are beautiful for the algorithm to work. With just one the entire population will just match it.

@ziyalka 4 года назад

2:20 What is 'valuable' in this context?

@mohammedirfan8582 9 лет назад

can anyone explain why the sound of drums make our heart beat faster

@gabevietor3685 4 года назад

Necromancer here: Probably sounds like thundering footsteps.

@jrPaperbag 9 лет назад

Imagine if I introduced a melody to you, and the melody touches your heart or you really like it, then I told you that it was composed by a robot [with no emotion at all], how will you feel? ... I can't imagine if someone discovers an algorithm for robots to create perfect music/songs for all those different genre. Would it be a good or bad? Sure, the songs may soothes our ear and gave us feels but when composed by an emotionless robot I kinda have mix feelings about it.

@thefamilyherd1475 6 лет назад

0:16 EDDSWORLD!!

@dolrep2900 4 года назад

If they create things we don't understand, how could we prove that they have correct theories?

@davidkapitancik1164 4 года назад

Can somebody please tell the name of this song at 4:50? It's catchy :D

@LTB8040 9 лет назад

If humans can be creative, computers can be too, since we're basically just extremely complex computers.

@NewZeroGames 9 лет назад

Lukas Berglund Exactly.

@johanne7 9 лет назад

You're implying humans have a creator like computors.

@NewZeroGames 9 лет назад

johanne7 What? No. We are "just extremely complex computers". That doesn't mean that we had a creator. It means evolution.

@Goabnb94 9 лет назад

That depends on how you define humans, creativity, computers and programming etc. A computer has some input, human generated or not, and follows its human-written programming to create a yes/no answer as to what to do next. Do you consider humans has having that? If somebody asks "Do you want a cookie?" would you process that like a computer? You might think "Am I hungry? Yes/no" but that doesn't mean you like cookies or that you think the cookie looks tasty. If you consider that you would, the difference is still so much more complex for humans that computers aren't anywhere near the level of humans. So much so that I don't consider humans to be really complex computers much like I don't think an eye is a very complex camera. No, I do not think a computer can be creative. Because it is just following code. Consider a recent VSauce video (Could humans go extinct) where Michael describes a computer programmed to learn to beat games. It never learned that in tetris, if you stack the pieces in a row, you remove the row. So it knew that if the tiles hit the roof, you lose, and the tiles continuously come, so it never saw a way to win, so to avoid losing it just paused forever. It couldn't figure out how to win (not that you can with tetris other than get a high score), so it just paused so it wouldn't lose, and that is not how a human works. Only when we create AI do I think computers can be creative, and a computer is not an AI as of yet.

@TrindyForce 9 лет назад

johanne7 He did not imply that. Not at all. In fact nothing in his comment said anything about any sort of creator or any sort of intention or existence. I don't think you understand what it means to imply something. The phrase "Humans are more or less dogs that grew and developed independently of said dogs over millenia," does not imply that humans were selectively bred like dogs by some owner because there is no mention of selective breeding or ownership.

@bpaulalexandru 9 лет назад

what is that piano mol at 3:10? pls anybody... i know it but don't know it...

@krishangkrishna1544 2 года назад

The day a robot solves an unsolved math problem, will be the day robots qualify as creative

@TorreFernand 7 лет назад

that... was not where I thought this was going. I thought you were going to go to neural networks, since we still don't have an idea of what's going on there, while we can pretty well explain how genetic algorithms work

@Luxebus 9 лет назад

the music is super high paced compsred to the rate at which this guy is talking

@HierophanticRose 7 лет назад

But to me the music in the beginning was random and disharmonic Also the problem with a fitness function would be that it would kill any chance for 'breakthroughs' or originality, as the AI, being pre-disposed to be most efficient in the current patterns humans like. It is sometimes our creative members of the society that pull our collective tastes forward as well.

@ChickFilA_Sauce 6 лет назад

Yep. It still matters

@sopheakseng9647 9 лет назад

I am a theoretical physicist, and I am TOTALLY against the idea of creative bots or self-thinking machines.

@AakashKalaria 9 лет назад

Feeling achievements, accomplishments, etc. are driving creativity and innovation in humans. I don't think I'll be able to accept computers or AI winning Oscars, Grammy, etc.

@xaayer 9 лет назад

Well that's very close minded of you...

@KaltatheNobleMind 9 лет назад

figured the fitness algorithim took the place of the feeling of acomplishment. it realises its audience liked those parts and therefor kept them in its future compositions. now you can say that the fitness algorithm was purposly designed to match the expectations of the audience so cant be considered true achievment and such but that is what humans do all the time, strive to make popular works by relying heavily on audience feedback. but i think one true way to pass the locelace test is for the mahcien to produce soemthing humans dont enjoy but all its algorithims and sensors state it is a wonderful piece ie it likes what it made. basiclaly showing it developed its onw inexplicable taste and vision,the very things of creativity.

@AakashKalaria 9 лет назад

xaayer Yeah I guess I have some ego. But if they become better in what we do best (sort of) than those days won't be far when they would rule us. Main reason is that when we would have an idea they would have better and they would learn exponentially. Remember you want computers to assist you in what you want to do... :)

@woodfur00 9 лет назад

***** Do I want that? Really? I'm not sure I do. I think I want humanity to move forward and take its place in the universe, and I'm perfectly willing to accept benevolent self-aware machines as part of "humanity." It's not like you personally will be around to see the First Great and Bountiful Human Empire. How much does it really matter whether the ones who are around are fallible flesh monsters fired from their ancestors' own personal vaginas, or beings created by us and then allowed to grow and evolve only in the best ways? Now that I think about it, I would much prefer the dominance of the latter when the time comes to leave our solar system.

@AakashKalaria 9 лет назад

woodfur00 You have a point, Yeah it's too early to tell. Everything has it's pros and cons. Obviously there are more pros than cons to AI at the moment and I am looking forward to it :) . But just like world welcomed Antibiotics and it saved millions, things can go wrong and in case of computers and AI it can go wrong to much and too soon. All I am saying it that we should always be in control and a step ahead of AI.

@hotpocketsfan 7 лет назад

What your favorite idea? Mines being creative! 📘

@kelceyfirth 6 лет назад

Wyatt Oxley how’d you get that idea?

@wumpoooo 2 года назад

I really wanted to listen to the 3:10 piano piece

@FAFAWI2010 9 лет назад

ًًWell, this is intresting ..... I think that robots can be creative in a way that we can't understand it. We may see that it's creative by some pattern but not necessarily beautiful. because beautiful things are only beautiful to us and maybe animals also have a sense of beauty that we understand. What I want to say is: We cant give creativity a unified meaning to humans or humanoids because it came to us from a special complex process called evolution.

@Altrantis 9 лет назад

I didn't like the music at the start before being told it was made by a bot, actually. I found it... erratic and lacking... not sure what it lacked... variation, I guess... a theme.