Can the 7980XE hit 5GHZ without LN2? 

Am I mistaken or did this channel always post videos at 1080p? I thought it was like 4k or is that certain videos? Did you need to lower render times and overall editing times since you have to account for heading home?

You can't accuse RU-vid comments as collectively smart Jay. You've been doing this long enough to know better.

Jay, don't be modest, you've just hit 4.9GHz even without thermal paste, that's a world record!!! :D

How did you make it through that sentence without laughing? A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.- Agent K, Men in Black (1997) Every day it's more prevalent than the last how true it is.

You have far too much faith in the intelligence of strangers. You would have REALLY won the lottery if somehow you could hit 5.1ghz with no paste and no fireballs.

Rofl, didn't even notice that. You mentioned it and I had to recheck. Well spotted.

Can you blame him? I remember some motherboard OEM actually recommended you buy the highest end boards if you are going to be overclocking the 16/18 CPUs because of the power delivery. I mean, trying this on a mid-range X299 may end up with a fire or at least a fried power delivery. That said, performance is very impressive once you get it to 4.5.

Oli Harding c

I really hope that's not a chemical powder extinguisher.. Most of the powder ones are highly corrosive and hygroscopic. Using one can potentially ruin a large part of the electronics in the room (that powder gets everywhere). Use a CO2 one instead.

You know what else is highly corrosive, ruins electronics and gets everywhere? Fire.

Just like with Nvidia, you can still use 4 way cards for benchmarks, being in the HWBot community I regularly see 4 way scores, you wouldn't use the 7980XE for games anyways.

very light minecraft gaming

There are dual socket LGA 2066 boards, none of the Xeons will do 4.5GHz though, not that you couldn't edit microcode given enough fucks.

4 way GTX 480's with that fucking thing will probably be able to forge dragonglass holy shit

Liam Najor Be on the lookout for a 4000 watt power supply .

he's using a rad designed for 4 core chips, this thing is 4x what the rad can handle. maybe if he loop it to 3 more rads the temps will be in the 50c-60c range

rurutu M This isnt fully the rads fault though. Im willing to bet the water was pretty cool when the cpu was at 105, a waterblock simply cant transfer that much power to the water without being larger (or having a massive temperature differential like this did) especially when most of the heat cant even get to the ihs due to the amazing tim intel likes using

It will happily run at 5ghz with a delid

Did you Use oreo 🍪 filling?!

The rad JAY uses has 34 fpi and couldn't keep my 5960x cool either because air just Doesnt get through. I intentionally didnt mention this in my vids because i didnt want to diss EK.

electric dryer, stove, microwave, fridge still use way more power than this thing. even at 100% this is still sub 1000w

MattyBespoke I can assure you the power company wouldn't even notice this system.

I've actually blown a few fuses and surge bars because I've had a few systems pull more watts than my wiring from the 70's could handle lol

Depending on your operation i don't see how a couple T5HO bulbs could draw that much power from the grid compared to everything else in your house. Just switch all your light bulbs out for LED or Fluorescent to give you some leeway for the PC if that's a big concern for you. Or just buy LED grow lights for your weed, they aren't cheap but neither is prison. 😄

There are a lot of things that need more power in your house. For example a hair dryer or a cloth dryer ( around 5000 Watt)

R7-1700 draws 250 watts just like a 6900K/7900X when R7 is OC'd to 3.9 GHz, much to the dismay of dumbass buffoons who think they draw only 65 watts at all times! :)

mdd1963 no one said they ran at 65 watts you shill

mdd1963 3.9GHz is a pretty hefty overclock. Especially for Ryzen chips. You're pushing 8 cores and 16 threads to a frequency that is not guaranteed to be stable and you would need to up the voltage. Ryzen non-OC is a pretty efficient architecture. But once you up the voltage and increase the frequency, don't expect efficiency to be the same. Same for Intel chips. :)

Absolutely agree; although as soon as you even *point out* the fact that R7-1700 OC'd to 3.9 GHz draws about the same power as a 6900K, folks get ...mad

Ethiqal- There are indeed a mass array of buffoons who constantly tout the '65 watt TDP', ignoring the fact that they draw 275 watts under load (about the same as a 7900K, for that matter) If you are not one of the buffoons that claimed it, my apologies, and you don't need to respond..dickweed

JDTechGear one day, my friend :)

Pair it with a Vega and you got the perfect power hungry system.

You would legit need a evga 1600W psu

Jagsfanrick you mean a waterheater for bathing!

da! Comrade

"jim, i discovered one example of cherry picked cpu's on accident. i went to silicon lottery and was looking at their site. i clicked on 7980xe and was looking at them. according to silicon lottery, only 4% of those cpu's were able to reach 4.5 ghz oc. 28% 4.4, 57% 4.3, 83% 4.2 ghz. what i found, is that all of these youtube reviewers, who were all hitting 4.4 to 4.5 all obviously had to have selected cpu's. because if the rarity in silicon lottery is 4% hitting 4.5, that means jays2cents, hitting 4.8 i think he got, would literally be close to probably 1% of the cpu sample ever reaching that high. meaning that he literally got a golden cpu. if the average cpu, that a person buys, only reaches lets say 4.2, that would bring the 7980xe far closer to threadripper performance and thus would show it being that much of a "greater" cpu. the average person i have run across on the internet, firmly believes those 7980xe are all capable of 4.5 and think if they buy one, they too would easily hit that. which, according to silicon lottery, is literally not the case at all. which calls into question, yet again, intel is literally conning people." a comment on AdoredTV's "ConLake Returns - Golden Sample 8700K's."

your binning statistics are wrong but it does not diminish from the point you're making. i bought a 7940x for dirt cheap and i definitely did make the mistake of thinking i would be able to get much higher clocks out of this cpu. this thing is not capable of doing 4.5ghz all core and is barely stable at 4.4ghz - its the exact opposite of a golden sample. but you can control the voltage and clock speed of each core independently, so you can turn down low quality cores if they are creating too much heat. if you determine which cores are capable of going higher, and you can get an interesting compromise between single thread performance on your good cores and a crapload of low powered cores i've been running 6 cores at 4.6ghz and 8 cores at 3.8ghz and is entirely manageable with air cooling, and cinebench only pulls about 280w. the 4.4ghz all core overclock pulled 420w on cinebench. the crazy thing is that i can push it further. but remember - its the exact same die as the 7980XE binned to have less cores. that means that any chips that made it to being a 7980XE are probably much higher quality silicon than a 7940x

@@Cheesemonk3h My worst skylake-x bin so far was a 7820x that only does 4.8 at 1.27v or so, my 7900x does 4.9at 1.32v. I have a hard time believing some of these chips can only do 4.4-4.5, I'm more inclined to believe that theyre just not being used with a proper cooling setup and/or voltages are too low.

yep. causing ripple for starters. never a good thing.

I'd personally not be comfy running an 850 watt PSU at 750 watt peaks, regardless of who's name is on the PSU. I like having at least 50% margin of power....but , that's just me.

Well designed and built power supplies will run at rated power just fine. They can run 50-100w over the ratings momentarily until it gets too hot or until safety circuitry kicks in. Power supplies that use dc-dc conversion or some form of modern power delivery design supported by heavy duty caps will get the job done. Also, if the fan is a double ball bearing and can extract a lot of hot air away, that's another variable to consider.

A well rated, properly built power supply should not have problems running at even 90% of its continuous wattage. If it can't, then its not worth all that extra money.

The power supply's wattage rating is on the DC side, so even if it's platinum efficiency he's still in the high 600 watt range. Somewhere around 80-85% load.

deliding a 2k chip. Intel everybody.

exactly this.

yup, i watched on custom build shop site and they for highend gaming and streaming for this cpu they recommand 1000w power, or for 2 grafics or 3 and this cpu also overclocked 1250w some gold edition dont remember... but than this procesor will be the best even than i7 8700k ^_^ and they said even this cpu has so many cores and its stock based at 2.7 it can run on 5ghz with sli graphics no problem :)

Rejeeve Smith system will lock and complete turn off if that was the issue

K|NGP|N overclocked it at 5.7Ghz on liquid nitrogen and it consumed 900watts...

Im late but this is bullshit. The watt meter measures the power the power supply draws, it outputs less because it's not 100% efficent. So a 800W PSU at a theoretical 80% efficency at 100% load will draw 1000 watts. (1000 * 0,8 = 800)

@@RAJKOify Yeah, because they want your money. Even a 9900K with RTX 2080TI will easily run on a good 500W power supply. Good power supply, I repeat.

DavidGX they had till sandy bridge,ivy bridge was paste,*THATS WHY I STICK WITH MY 5GHZ I5 2500K

When they were soldering, everyone was like "OMG I CAN'T DELID NOW", then they did thermal paste and everyone is like "OMG I NEED TO DELID NOW".

IMNOTA I never heard this ever. There was no reason to delid when they soldered because you didn't need to replace garbage TIM with good TIM to lower your tenps 20 C.

they are soldering these chips now.... and boy they suck... Derbauer's DDF and liquid metal is the best option for these chips

@@1707Cezar but I guess for gaming they don't suck. My 9700k is fine at 5.2 and it's not even delidded and just on an AIO

Intel announced it yesterday.

how about twin Vega 64's on a 7980X? 1600 watts?? :)

Why? A microwave or a hairdryer will pull 1,5+ kilowatts. It's not like it's doing 4,5 or something that an oven will do.

Žiga Auer Interesting. Sounds to me you live in a country that does 240v then to be able to do 4.5 kilowatts without doing anything too fancy. Those ranges would constantly trip breakers in your average 120v home

Most homes in the U.S have at least 240v.

120v is way below average...

I think he is using a XP1200 gigabyte PSU, it has 1200w

Yuri231 no, it was 800w

Tuna, I din't find this model in 800w, can you show me the link? I heard what he said but I only find this: www.gigabyte.us/Power-Supply/XP1200M#kf

Yuri231 I actually do not know man

Tuna, there is only the 1200w model! Jay is mistaken... This gigabyte PSU is crap anyway

sorry but Intel i still better...

I think everyone is thinking that AMD's architecture is on par with intels. Its not just about cores, its about how those cores are joined together and their micro-functionality. Sure in realtime AMD matches intel, but with various instabilities that still require testing and optimisation, probably in another improved release. Intel builds on years of IPC improvements and the chip works straight out of the box. Compare a Honda Civic Type R (167miles per hour) with a dodge challenger STR or Porsche panamera. They are both the same speed but they are built in different categories. A Honda 1.5L Turbo is NOT a V6 or V8. AMD is 2X 1800 Ryzens. Intel is ONE processor. Combine two intel 7960X's to make a thrteadripper. Yes astronomical price but astronomical performance.

Ryzen only selling point is lowering the prices , because they can't compete with intel in terms of performance.. that's my opinion.

Ice Man intel spend $12 billion a year on research and development, AMD spend $1 billion a year on research and development... When your spending 12 times what the next guy is spending your gonna have an edge technologically. The fact their edge isn't exactly a gape currently speaks volumes... I wonder what AMD could achieve with a budget 12 times larger than they have now

I think it really is about the clockspeed though, IPC is on point per mhz. You know the RTS game called Ashes of singularity? All I see ryzen scores being under 40fps on the official benchmarks in websites, but I also saw one 1700X at 4GHz and good memory report ~55fps on the CPU test, while OC'd 8-core intels have been howering usually in 45fps range in the test. So there already is potential on them when properly tweaked (with expensive memory duh) for the average consumer and I guess it will get better on ryzen refresh at early 2018, if they can bump the clockspeeds up a bit. I guess the plus side is, they consume way less power than the new intel offerings...

Naw. 32 core Threadripper please!

Grapesmasher Glory didn’t AMD say that was impossible? Correct me if i’m wrong

Mosh Rojas no just they dont want to. Maybe 2nd gen

Mosh Rojas they were trying to have people stop questioning the "dummy dyes" but that went out the window when der8aur went and stripped them down. The issue would be the complete lack of memory bandwidth

Mosh Rojas No, they just said that it's not going to happen on threadripper, yet. AMD already has EPYC, the server line of CPUs with the top 32 core processor retailing for 2200$

Lol I think you would probably need a 560mm monsta rad to cool this to 6ghz but then again why go beyond 5 radiators when most of the overclockers who game have atleast 5ghz cpu and 3000ghs gpu overclock and higher memory clock

jonathan oxlade From what I saw Debower managed to push his chip to 6 ghz on liquid nitrogen, so I'm guessing Jay could hit 5 ghz with that* kind of setup

I doubt a bigger psu would help any if at all. The psu is rated at 800 which means it will put out the same quality power all the way to 800w, ofcourse if the PSU is a reliable brand which I consider EVGA to be

No that's not what it means lol. It means it will do 800 W (and probably a bit more) without blowing up. Power is way cleaner (look up DC ripple) is the PSU is not performing at peak.

You do realize that a 800W power supply at 100% load and theoretical 80% effiency will draw 1000W ?

@@SilentGuyX No, a 800W power supply will draw 800W from the outlet at 100% load, but it will only deliver 640W to your system if it's 80% effective. The remaining 160W is lost as heat mostly.

@@SilentGuyX I don't know why your reply aren't visible here. But you are correct. I can't remember where i was taught that mistaken view of PSU's, but I can tell from googling the subject, that it's a common misunderstanding.

Apparently it's something to do with intels manufacturing process which doesn't allow them to solder the IHS

I understand. Jay seems to have a decent chip might as well have some fun with it.

Liquid metal doesn't hold up when it comes to longevity. Power cycles will make it move, slip away from the die, and it will need to be reapplied at some point. Solder isn't an option on smaller, lower-end chips since the heat difference makes the chip expand and shrink back, leading to possible cracks due to their small size. Thermal paste does the job while being durable and not needing reapplication. I don't know about the die size on X299 chips to make a comment about them.

There's no point to soldering these. If you are going to delid because you want more cooling, you're going to remove the heat spreader completely. You're going to go bare die. If they soldered the thing on it'd be much worse for the consumer who actually knows what they're doing.

David Folsom // You MUST relid, especially mainstream chips. The substrate is too thin, the IHS provides physical rigidity to avoid the substrate cracking. Bare die cooling requires the user to know what they are doing down to a science. You don't just go and apply a cooler on a bare die.

A power supply is not 100% efficent so a 800W PSU at 100% load with a theoretical efficency will draw 1000W to output 800W to the system. That was not the fault.

on 5 Oct, yes... :)

Daniel Arvidsson sell it man , wait for the 8700k and get the maximus z370 hero ,, pair it with a 1080ti and omg ur set for lyfe ma man . Good luck

Unless it doesnt have a return policy just return it. if you dont mind the work you can do that every 30 days and always have the newest stuff too >:D

+Sam M. Atherton That's called blatant abuse of a very helpful company policy, you moron! Idiots like you should be thrown out of online stores!

Someone complains about getting fucked over by Intel who releases a new platform that won't be compatible with the older platform for reasons that are likely bullshit, someone makes a reasonable suggestion of returning it, followed by a less reasonable and moreover impractical suggestion of trading purchases in every 30 days in jest - and gets called a moron for what is obviously the blatant abuse of companies return policies. I think that speaks loads of this person calling someone a moron...

Sadly the store I bought it from doesn't allow returns after you open up the box. "Luckily" one of the leds on the motherboard doesn't work, so might be able to turn it in and chose another mobo. I have an i7 7700k and since intel decided to be an ass and not make it compatible with z370, I have no reason to upgrade :/ Hopefully they will release a bios update that will allow 7th gen cpus to work with it... then I'll get a fancy z370 board.

Steven_T_K kinda sounds like it. I don't know if he lives close to a training ground tho

Well yeah. Today, an 8 thread CPU has 65W TDP. Intel even has 35W i7s that are faster than that FX 9590.

only fools cared about the TDP on the FX's it was the performance that was crap for that high watt.

it's crap and just run crap idk broke people rigs lol, oh hes doing some stupiddd shit though robot unit and 220er going in 30a line or something lol

JR huh?

JR you are stupid

How many folks will *truly* risk delidding a $2000 cpu? :)

the pro overclocker who hit 6.1 ghz on it, said its a must for any one looking to do any overclock because the current paste is just that bad.

well if you get the tool der8auer made for delidding, you don't need to worry about it :)

x^2 is still an exponent, so it's quadratic as well as exponential... yes, i'm fun at parties D:

Exponential is a^x for some a. Exponential refers to the variable exponent. Quadratic/Cubic/Quartic/etc, refer to the variable base and fixed maximum exponent.

Since he's talking about increase in heat we can really only call it by its rightful name, quadratic, since P=V^2/R. We must assume the load is fairly constant, so it's really the voltage squared that dictates the power consumed. There will be an increased resistance due to increased temperature but it can largely be ignored in this regard.

Holy shit Guys

Diviciatus you need to retake maths if you think x^2 is exponential.

François Piednoël am I missing something. This is the like 15th post that mentions that a variable has an exponent (specifically of 2) that makes it somehow not exponential.

For computer literate people, we differentiate the complexities between square and exponentials, because the square one get derivate to a linear equation that makes it a lot more predictable than a exponential complexity, especially when it gets to the determination of the initial conditions, but well, what do I know .. I am nobody :-P

100 watts to 500 watts. Sure looks Exponential to me

STAN_MAN94 greetings fellow south african :D

SilverProductions it helps me deal with intolerant people like you. its also great for ibs.

Wish I still smoked weed.

SUPRA Uhuh, right, someone who cares about our health. Ew, right...

Lord V1LE yes what was that about???

the 8xxx parts are under NDA until 5 Oct...barring leaked Chinese results, of course.... (AOTS, 8700K, ~25% faster than 7700K)

Confused how he could show them and the motherboard without breaking the nda

I don't think Intel's NDA really pertained to folks showing Z370 motherboard boxes...; it's the results they are keeping under wraps....

mdd1963 NDAs are stupid though, sometimes you’re not even allowed to say the product name

Jenko 345 Look up Graphics Cards coolers.

you could look out for dead cards on ebay.

If you find a link - please post it because I need the Original Box for an Phenom II x4 955 :(

Why should he have to void Warranty to get lower temps Jay has never been one to do things like that (ignoring the MOBO incident)

You know he probally get it send over for free, the temps will lower on an avarage about 20 degrees celsius and you will get a bigger head room for overclocking and your liquid temps wil be lower.

Yes that may be true but once again this is a Product that is sold to the general public why is it so flawed that the owner has to put his 2000$+ investment on the line to get the optimum performance from it.

Amy Pond on ln2 hit 6.1ghz so with a delid and a good loop yeah would say so.

Imagine a medium sized radiator with 6 foot tubes for placing outdoors in a Nebraska -15F windy weather winter day! 5.5 GHz? 2 stage radiator...? 1rst stage indoors, for heating the living room, 2nd stage for outdoors in winter, -10F temps supplying coolant to CPU...! :)

+mdd1963 That's not nearly cold enough to get 5.5 Ghz. I doubt you could do that with DICE cooling. I have a cooler I can run -35c loaded temps, but not 800+w on. Even still, the limit is not the temps, its the insane voltage and degredation you will hit if its even remotely close to room temp. If its cooled with LN2, the chip gets way less degredation, and that's why its ok to push things like Ryzen up to 2.0v (that is max voltage for people reading this, you should calmly put the LN2 pot down and walk away if you don't know what you're doing).

Realistically, with a super lucky chip, and the obvious delid, Jay might be able to get 5.1 Ghz max if he is in such a cold sub-zero climate. The chip may degrade in under a year, but who cares, Threadripper with 32c/64t will be out most likely. Don't forget sub-zero motherboard prep if you keep the computer inside with the radiator outside, otherwise it will only be awesome for about 30 minutes until water condenses and you have a $2500+ paper weight (CPU + mobo).

Even so, chilled liquid would be better than liquid heating up gradually to 60+ C, right? :) (I can dream!) (As if I'd ever pop $2k for this, anyway!) :)

DELTACX10 der8auer already has. 6.1ghz at 1.45v. Pulls 1kw xD