Can The Alta AP6 PRO Access Points Compete With Ubiquiti UniFi?

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00:00 Alta Labs WiFi
00:35 Local Hosted Roadmap
02:08 Who is Alta Labs
03:26 Dashboard Management
06:39 One SSID Multiple Networks
08:00 Final Thoughts

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@FogDogg Год назад

I love my Ubiquiti AP's, but having one SSID with multiple networks on the Alta is a killer feature.

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Год назад

For sure!

@darrenjlobb Год назад

I agree for sure, this is a really powerfull / useful feature, hoping UBNT are listening!

@TheDillio187 Год назад

that is a super cool feature.

@larslindley2974 Год назад

Ruckus has had that feature for years and years. It is very useful, for sure.

@ryanandres2551 Год назад

It's one of the reasons I use Aerohive/Extreme Networks AP's.

@DonFinley Год назад

We just upgraded our APs, took a look at Alta and not having local management was a deal breaker. Hopefully the next time we upgrade, we can consider.

@KennethQvarfordt Год назад

Really like the one ssid approach. Won't ever entrain the idea of buying anything without a local controller. Guess I will also wait a few years and make sure they are actually around for a while. I take my infrastructure very seriously.

@TheJensss Год назад

The option for a locally hosted controller and a commitment from the manufacturer to support, update and maintain the product for at least 5 years is a major point when investing in new access points. I'm a bit disappointed at TP-link that has dropped support for older, but still well functioning access points for their new controller versions. Why create E-waste of well functioning products?...

@bitslammer Год назад

Looks like a good start. I'll wait to see how the non-cloud option turns out.

@caseyknolla8419 Год назад

Definitely wouldn't consider it until they have local controller. Nice to see some ubiquiti competition though.

@larslindley2974 Год назад

Ruckus has had that killer ssid feature for years and years. It is very useful, for sure.

@chadmarkley Год назад

KILLER INTRO Animated graphic! Love the video editing being kicked up a notch

@jfkastner Год назад

"Always On" setting is useful IF your WAN connection fails, the AP shuts off, and that forces all Cellphones to use Cell service (automatic "failover" does not always work)

@robertcoleman7071 Год назад

I was thinking the same thing, especially for a home user.

@NeptuneSega Год назад

@@robertcoleman7071not really a good idea, also phones switch over and alert you that you have a connection but no internet

@THEMANTR Год назад

It would be an excellent opportunity when Alta focusses on the "nerds" of the networking world besides the "normal" home user. And this with a flick of a button to "advanced". Unfortuneatly, Unifi does this, but to a certain level. I would like to see this in Alta like an example you mentioned @ 6:03 We'll see. Can't wait to see their products in the EU.

@LackofFaithify Год назад

I will absolutely be buying some once there is a local controller. Ubiquiti needs some hard competition. The 6/6E gear has been more than underwhelming.

@CoreyThompson73 11 месяцев назад

Like Mikrotik and their CAPSMAN management? They predate unifi.

@lordneptul5839 Год назад

As you said local hosted controller is important, it gets on my radar when its a finished and released feature

@PsyMan2022 Год назад

We run a few hundred Unifi APs and many unifi switches on many sites (no unifi firewalls though, don't like them) - one single self hosted docker controller is the big selling point for me. Good to see emerging options as ubiquiti is a bit quick to EOL stuff and a little unstable at times lately with AP reboots needed more and more but I do love the unifi ecosystem. Thanks Tom

@Qosmio1955 Год назад

I'm well and truly over the Ubiquiti supply issues (I even resorted to installing a TP-Link P-P radio for a customer) and welcome a new player to the scene. I also go to extreme lengths to avoid anything cloud-based and would not consider purchasing these until a local control option is introduced. Let's see how this develops...

@mistakek Год назад

Nice to see a potential competitor to Ubiquiti. Now give us the local controller and be a little cheaper :)

@d00dEEE Год назад

I didn't add a comment on the short, because I saw everyone else saying "No local mgmt? Nope!" and didn't pile on. Gotta say that one-SSID feature looks really cool.

@bugdozer314 Год назад

I'd really enjoy experimenting with them and a local controller. For larger multi-floor homes, several APs that can seamlessly hand off is really important. Unifi has been fine, yet the UI has always made it interesting/hard to determine which device is doing what. The cost of APs and running direct ethernet to each, is really insignificant if you can then avoid many other ethernet drops and actually have everyone happy with all their devices. I think it's great to have more competition in this space, and I think there's a lot of opportunity getting above the mesh AP crap in into real useful multi-AP w/ a local controller. Multi-vlan capability and a guest network / hotspot would be great to see demonstrated (looked like was present, but not expounded on in this vid). Details. 3k sq ft, 3 floors, detached garage + pool area, presently using 4 Unifi APs, 5 vlans (trusted clients, guest, IoT, mgmt, test), and I'd buy it all again in a heartbeat for the ease of use it affords everyone, every device, all our guests, etc.

@plrpilot Год назад

Aerohive introduced a ppsk key feature before they were acquired by extreme networks. They still have it and we leveraged it heavily, but ultimately, their reliance on a cloud licensing caused us to drop them for ubiquity. I won’t look at anything from Alta unless they offer a local only option. I hope they do. I’ll immediately give them a shot once that happens. I like the device level insights. I wish more vendors did that.

@uChunkz Год назад

Yeah, we used to have them for multi-tenants network.

@psylenced Год назад

That multiple passwords feature is exactly what I need for my UAP. I was trying to get WPA Enterprise working to separate my IOT / Cameras, but most don't support it.

@litecactus Год назад

I am so ready for a viable alternative to unifi - docker hosted controller would be great. Given the choice, I'd self host for sure! We've been testing this and due to the great cloud controller are recommending them already on smaller installations where just 1 or 2 APs are needed.

@mechanicalfluff Год назад

I'd like to know *why* they thought cloud-only was a good idea to begin with. What are *they* gaining by hosting all of this? The answer would be telling of their character and their worthiness to be trusted.

@compudude Год назад

It's just easier. It's THEIR server on THEIR hardware. Everyone else gets to it over the web. So they don't have to deal with support for the millions of platforms people are going to try to run their software on.

@gomers.garage 11 месяцев назад

Great video! We are really impressed with Alta and their new products.

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 11 месяцев назад

It will be great if they get a local controller option instead of cloud only.

@youdontneedmyrealname Год назад

If only Ubiquiti would listen to the community more...

@dougp1856 Год назад

I am in the market for an AP upgrade. This looks like something I will consider, especially if I will have local control. I saw on Crosstalk that they get fairly warm and his comparison was with a Ubiquity wall unit instead of a ceiling unit similar to Alta's.

@Monsicek Год назад

I have grandstream APs with local controller - one of APs or any of their routers can be setup as one to control rest and I am very happy about it.

@whatevah666 Год назад

Likely worth a revisit, when they get the IMPORTANT stuff done, local controller ;)

@tymhomes 11 месяцев назад

We are excited about the AP6 and where Alta is going with things. Great video!

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 11 месяцев назад

It will be great if they get a local controller option instead of cloud only.

@joshuawaterhousify Год назад

These look really cool, particularly the single SSID feature. That said, without local controllers, it's a full deal breaker for my uses. Even without that, I can't say 100% that it's something I'd go for, but it like like there's some really cool stuff in there that with that I'd at least take a closer look

@dfitzy Год назад

I'll definitely keep them in mind when I upgrade to wifi 7 (when that comes around)

@trbarrettjr Год назад

I think for that local controller they can get away with an official docker image, then roll into some hardware. If you look at Ubiquiti's stuff, you will notice that the community distributes the controller via docker.

@AliAlAbd Год назад

the One SSID with different passwords is a cool feature, surely can look into deploying this after a self-hosted controller is available

@JamieStuff Год назад

Once they release a local controller, either a Pi image or a Docker container, I'll be picking up one of these for testing.

@csuhas Год назад

If I'm not mistaken this feature is called as ePSK in Cambium enterprise wifi, cisco, hp has somthing similar, but boy the price of those used is higher than this new...

@ve7hr142 Год назад

Long time Ubiquiti user and small scale integrator. Once you have a self hosted option with a local stand alone controller I will have a close look at your products. Hopefully your products will actually be available unlike the past couple of years with Ubiquiti.

@jessielees 7 месяцев назад

how does the speed limiting work? does it set the total speed to be shared on multiple connections with the same pw? or is it a per connected device speed setting the way unifi does it? Id really love to be able to set a bandwidth cap that cant be exceeded and would therefore be shared among multiple devices .

@tombruton Год назад

Their documentation does look complete. Do these support radius?

@fanshaw Год назад

+1 for local management hosting. Docker & kubernetes options welcome.

@seanwoods1526 Год назад

Chris look up IPSK, PPSK, DPSK, MyPSK are all the names other companies have had for years from companies like Cisco, Meraki, Aruba, TP-Link, Enginus, Grandstream, and others. I am sad to say UI is one of the few companies that hasn't rolled this out.

@AdamsLab Год назад

I like Ubiquiti for wireless, use it extensively but this is good because they need some competition. And for anyone at Alta who may see this, local controller is a MUST.

@SpookyLurker Год назад

Locally hosted solution on the way.. and being expedited? Glad they took note of our comments! Looks like I'll be waiting for their solution before casually buying Ubiquiti.

@hornetbad Год назад

i have a lot of a ubiquiti stuff in 2 houses and love it, BUT i have to say Good job Alta for the one SSID multiple network !! i'll keep watching you 👀

@koenvanduffel2084 Год назад

Nice alternative to Ubiquity but I agree a little further polishing and especially the local hosting (cloud is a by definition no-go for me) and I might well switch.

@apalrd8588 Год назад

As far as I know, the single-SSID multiple-password feature (without a MAC-based lookup step) is incompatible with WPA3, so I wonder how long this will last in the market. In WPA2 you can essentially brute-force try all of the known passwords during client auth.

@jmhm17 11 месяцев назад

It's called PPSK it's the prosumer version of what Cisco ISE can do. TP Link also offers PPSK. I would assume Ubiquiti will release PPSK very soon since it's becoming very popular

@kscrib1 8 месяцев назад

Interesting product. Like others, I like the single SSID/multiple password function. I have an fairly robust home network that I am looking to upgrade. I want multi-gig (10gig) switches with POE that handle full link aggregation. Like others, I am 100% out on any cloud driven solution. Fast roaming is also a key feature. Being able to bounce between APs during a video or VoIP call is also significant. I know this video is 4+ months old, so I am hoping to see advances in self hosted space soon. Gig only switches are going to be outdated soon.

@keyboard_g Год назад

Multiple networks in one SSID sounds like a troubleshooting nightmare. I hope they have tools for that.

@monty671 Год назад

Looks like interesting one to look more into. However, will not touch cloud only.

@chloefletcher9612 Год назад

Im interested - as a very long term Ubiquiti user, I, like I am sure many others are, are really sick of their interfaces getting more and more problematic, and the quality control that seems to be a thing of the past. I'd like a similarly costed and featured alternative to be in the market, if for nothing else, than to get Ubiquiti to start trying harder.

@bikerchrisukk Год назад

That one SSID is really clever stuff, someone is on the ball over there eh.

@jadamsnz Год назад

The one SSID feature is also on Ruckus systems. I know because I live in a community that uses it. I can go anywhere on the large grounds and as long as I'm on the community's wifi I can access the other devices on my assigned VLAN. Needless to say I don't use this and have all my devices behind my own router/firewall because I don't want the community's IT support to be able to log and/or monitor my internal traffic.

@ScruPiaN Год назад

Click the device on the left to have the options come up all the way on the opposite side of the screen? UX improvements for sure.

@robwhite9731 Год назад

I'm going to need to see more products released before I would consider Alta. A local controller is mandatory, as are some rack mounted switches. I have no desire to run two different product stacks to have a complete network. Nice start though.

@uChunkz Год назад

Aerohive APs now Extreme networks allow you to connect to the network with passwords (multiple passwords too) specific to which network or VLAN.

@DeNNiiiable Год назад

What about mesh options? And inwall options

@jrobinsonitp Год назад

Any info on RADIUS auth with them? We do a fair amount of UBNT, will keep an eye on this line to see how it develops. Not a fan of bouncing switches all the time with config changes on UniFi platform.

@jeff8207 Год назад

Couldn't consider without a local controller. Since speeds are on the rise, 2.5Gb interface should be present. Will wait to see what the switches look like. Also, need to understand warranty/RMA/support processes.

@jaxxarmstrong Год назад

It's quite simple, without a fully featured selfhosted controller software this is a no-go for my organization.

@YKSGuy Год назад

The offline with the internet thing bugs a lot of users if they are are on a phone that has LTE and WiFi and the home wifi goes down for any reason "the internet is down" however if the WiFi disconnects at the same time they are interrupted less and the "WiFi" is down. Power users with lots of home services will want what you want but I can see it being a better default for someone that just buys a bunch of these and adds it to their ISP connection.

@TheCIMSmith Год назад

The Plume WiFi pods and their related white-label ISP versions do the password->network differentiation.

@CliffR Год назад

Waiting for local control but looks amazing

@rachaelpreston8976 10 месяцев назад

What is the MSRP? I’m not going to create an account at the very few distributors they have just to see their pricing.

@jfkastner Год назад

IF they host it during the Dev process they get all the Logfiles, IMO that's why they started that way. Good Review!

@tombruton Год назад

They could just make it default to send them the log files with an option to turn off

@hashtaghellno Год назад

So, I’m assuming you have Ubiquiti switches still. Is it able to interface with any switches? I’d hate to toss the switches just to use these. No one has talked about that portion of the install.

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Год назад

They will work with any switch that follows network standards and UniFi does.

@break1146 Год назад

Fortinet APs have the feature to assign passwords to different networks or policies. I was so impressed when I found out. Was less impressed with the price of it all.😅

@zzcc5853 Год назад

Idea on why stop broadcasting is off by default: So Home users are immediately aware its an issue with the router and not something else. Just my first thought.

@vqL3nt1n Год назад

I m waiting for a security product (As Meraki MX) et let’s test this out

@Labombab Год назад

Time to test the TP-EAP690 HD. Next august the EAP-770 AND EAP-780 WIFI 7 are coming.

@cdoublejj Год назад

Where did you get the shady by nature t shirt?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Год назад

Huntress Labs

@TheDillio187 Год назад

self hosted for sure!

@accesser Год назад

Have Alta and Ubiquiti had independent software audits? (Security/Pen test)

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Год назад

Ubiquiti has a good security team and even a bug bounty program, not so sure for Alta yet.

@cpuuk Год назад

When they have a local controller I'll buy it, looking for a replacement to my spotty mesh wifi.

@Vinster411 Год назад

oh that single SSID is really cool, if it's local. I'm in.

@Py7hon Год назад

Great features but a show stopper until local controller is out. Can they beat UI and actually communicate too - This would be a game changer!!

@gjkrisa Год назад

I hate that windows does that when you loose internet it cuts its self from the network and there seems no way to fix that so I have a Mac for network trouble shooting even though I know my way around static

@Saturn2888 Месяц назад

One thing I'd really like to see from Alta is an open ecosystem. As soon as someone figures that out, I'm switching from Ubiquiti because that's the one thing I hate about their product line. I hate being stuck with a company that so frequently has products outta stock and has such a limited selection. I'd love to mess with 100Gb fiber, but I have to wait for my Ubiquiti overlords to support it.

@andrewcobb4097 Год назад

Lots of comments about local control. As a network engineer by trade I would disagree. Having managed Cisco, Aruba, and other controller based systems vs the new generation of cloud managed WiFi from Mist, Meraki, and others I would say this is the way to go. I think they could adopt a similar subscription based model for business users and offer support, and commit to providing free cloud management for home users I think that would be a winning combo and something I would certainly consider deploying at one of my sites if they prove to be stable and reliable.

@PrinceLX Год назад

Agreed totally. I think a lot of older people in the field are stuck in legacy ways of thinking. Redundant Internet access is not expensive to obtain, and certainly cheaper than maintenance costs for on-prem solutions.

@BradPalmer28 Год назад

One SSID is breakthrough. I must have locally hosted. I will wait for that.

@RandornCanis Год назад

What information could you garner from QUIC without breaking TLS? Maybe host, but Cloudflare is pioneering SNI encryption to close that gap, too.

@leonardol8158 Год назад

I have a Ubiquiti AC and Windows DHCP/DNS server, once a week, more or less, DHCP stops working on the AC, devices already connected stop having a connection response, but show they are connected. I've tried several different configurations, until today I haven't found out why. Honestly, I'm pretty annoyed with Ubiquiti.

@BladeWDR Год назад

The multiple network profiles per SSID feature is really cool! Can't say I've seen that elsewhere. But wake me up when they have a locally hosted controller. Cloud only = 👎

@julian.morgan Год назад

No local management means it just doesn't matter how good these APs are. It really surprises me that such experienced people would have to have it explained to them what a deal breaker this is.

@SteveMasonCanada Год назад

I'm not necessarily against cloud hosting, as long as there aren't Meraki-like fees, and I wouldn't buy in at the beginning, in case the company doesn't succeed. Also, who's to say the company won't get purchased etc. Self-hosted - I'd be interested for sure.

@Saturn2888 Месяц назад

UniFi has that one SSID feature, but it doesn't work when you use 6GHz WiFi 6e. I wanted to switch to that mode, and now I realized I can't.

@bentheguru4986 Год назад

Hope they don't drink the apple wannabe coolade and ignore feedback from end users like UBNT does.

@JulesArchinova 11 месяцев назад

Zyxel,Aruba,Cisco have the feature of multiple network with one SSID

@Dieseldan444 Год назад

I’ll only consider it if there is a locally hosted controller.

@benjaminrathjen152 Год назад

Local hosted control would make this way more appealing. Wonder if Unifi will try and duplicate this feature?

@GXShade Год назад

If it is cheaper the Unify and they bring self hosting. I will take a look at it.

@magicmanchloe 11 месяцев назад

I am not touching anything that doesn’t have a locally hosted/managed option. One of the reasons I chose Ubiquity over ingenious is that Ubiquity is local by default while with Engenious you have to buy their specific on prem. AP and switch’s which they seem to not prioritize as much as their cloud managed products.

@fiddlerx Год назад

Just swapped out my Ubiquiti APs to Alta AP6-Pros. Just waiting for the switches and a router/firewall...

@brp_ Год назад

Local controller in a docker container!

@dariantel Год назад

if they can get a local controller, AP, switch and a firewall with a good interface, and be a bit more open with roadmaps and the community they could be a strong contender for ubiquiti. we do not need 1000 of products in different directions, start with the basics and make them realy good, then add on your portfolio of products.

@ii7317 Год назад

One gigabit uplink and poor radiator placement need to be addressed as well: 1. With the current speeds and capacities of the APs they need to have at least 2.5G NICs, better - straight to 10G. 2. The heatsink that goes between the mounting surface and the AP - how is it supposed to dissipate the heat? That space is isolated, so it basically boils the bottom.