Try the CZ against the Rival S. The greater weight of the Steel frame Rival might even things up a bit. But to be honest, either gun is capable of being more accurate than I can be.
I have a shadow 2 and just got the rival S chrome 3 weeks ago. The Rival is quite impressive but it absolutely doesn’t beat my S2. It’s staying in the collection but CZ is still the king.
@@jagpilotohioit may not be at the CZ but the CZ doesn't really beat it either!!! That's just your personal opinion and subjective. Factually and mechanically both are so close you're not going to get better service with either!!! Just get what you like between the two, as the only true differences are subjective.
@@Wildwestwrangler uummm. Yes. That’s the point of my comment. The CZ is absolutely a better overall gun with a better trigger…in my subjective opinion.
I just think it's great that an affordable gun is even pushing the premium guns so aggressively. The whole industry is being disrupted by what Canik for whatever reason is up to, I'm sure it drives the establishment crazy. I have 3 Caniks and even I'm a pretty good shot with them. Have lots of others as well but for over two years I haven't bought a single pistol without checking out an equivalent Canik first. Why spend more money if there's really not much of a difference in quality?
I'm a CZ TSO owner, which I still think is >= the TS2 IMHO and I'm a Rival owner, along with a collection of great pistols that represent the top of the line for many of the major brands. I agree my TSO has a trigger that stands alone (and only more expensive CZ models can compete)[, and its return to zero is outstanding. However, if I exclude price and compare just features and performance the Rival is right there with the TSO in terms of performance even though the quality difference between the two is huge. I especially like the fact that I can get near TSO performance in a lot lighter weight package with the Rival which makes it easier to run in competitions for me. I also prefer the way the dot mounts and the ease of which I can rack the slide on the Rival over the TSO - especially under stress. I can consistently stay in a 2" circle at 10 yards offhand with both the TSO and Rival, so as a target pistol - in my hands - they are equals (and out perform my Staccato & Shadow 2). My TSO looks gorgeous and screams quality, but when I need to go fast to compete I much prefer the Rival. I'm interested to see what you think of the Rival S and would love to see you put it up against the TS2 for that review!
I have the Canik Rival SFX and a CZ Sp01 Tactical. Both awesome. I added the brass weight on the Canik with a Wasatch Arms Comp and it brings the weight to a happy target pistol level. The CZ is super consistent for accuracy so it is hard to beat!
Justin Opinion.....Thank you for this very cool video. Your shooting skills are still awesome. Based on the overall differences in the designs of the Canik vs. the CZ, I still would choose the Canik for a competition pistol. Here are my reasons. With the Canik, you get everything you need minus the belt in the case which gets you ready for the USPSA Production Division. It also comes with multiple optic mounting plates which is a major benefit in getting ready to enter the Carry Optics Division and it has a "racking" assist tool which sets you up for the Open Division. All of that in the Canik case. Now let's look at some of the design features differences (1) Canik is a striker fired, vs. the CZ which is a hammer fire. (The slide on the Canik sits on top of the frame, while the CZ sits lower into the frame. To me based on the overall design of the CZ, that allows for a lower recoil and flatter shooting experience. Now if we look at the upfront cost for a beginner to USPSA or maybe even IDPA Canik is the overall better choice.
Cz only has less kick because is has a much smaller amount of slide material to move and heavier dust cover creating a better center of gravity giving it a slightly flatter shot. I prefer the canik and daily carry the mete sft pro with red dot brass magwell, brass back strap, and bronze dual ported compensator. The canik definitely has the better trigger.
I just wonder the longevity of a Canik something you cannot say in this video I’ve owned one of my CZ s for 11 years now and is rock solid . Few people talk about longevity .. thanks
My very thoughts too. No doubt Canik latest offering in the Rival S model is pushing the premium brands to the tape, but the durability test would likely give an edge to the CZ TS2 models.
That is a little unfair, though. Nils won Production, Carry Optics, Limited, 2 gun, and Single Stack national championships last year. Winning Limited shooting minor power factor with the Rival was insane.
Great comparison, Justin. I have the Canik Rival Darkside and CZ Shadow 2 wouldn't part with either. Canik are the best striker fired pistols triggers are excellent, and CZ are in another class, both double and single action triggers are superb. Your opinion is as mine the CZ is worth the price of entry.
I just inquired the rival and it’s awesome eats anything from steel case, aluminum case, brass case hp, fmj 115, 124, 135, 147, 150 gr. It’s in my EDC rotation cause it’s not as heavy as some 1911’s! Great information video sir!👊🏼👍🏼💯 Forgot to mention I purchased mine on a trade in at a local gun show, paid 200$ out of pocket which the total of the rival was 700$ otd, and earlier this week I received emails from different stores that the canik rivals were up to 999$ wow 😮
Just shot the rival s for the first time. The included red dot just needed the elevation adjusted a couple of ticks and then it as game on. "DARK" Rival S with included optic and magwell was had for just under a $1000. I did check out CZ Shadow 2 and a MAC 2011. All were within a few hundred of the Canik, but there's just too much coming with the Canik to turn it down. That said, if they were asking for over a G, I'd have passed. My M&P 2.0 performance center was $700 something and is phenomenal. Canik is close, but go USA!!!!
I have both and they are awesome. The CZ has the edge but it should. It costs a lot more. You will never be settling though with the Canik. It is the best striker-fired pistol on the market under $1,000. Once you buy it, no need for accessories. They all come with the gun.
"Since this is my channel... and I don't tell you what to do on YOUR channel "... Atta boy Justin "stick to y'all's guns brother"! They're both worthy of ownership. Giddy up.
The only curious part behind the guns would have to be customer support. I enjoy shooting both a whole lot. I’ve had great experiences with CZ customer support, the call was great. I’ve visited Caniks home page for some upgrades they offer and they always seem to be out of stock. For a while CZ TS mags were tough to come by, Canik doesn’t have that problem at all. Both are good, but I really enjoy my CZ TS2 a lot at the range thanks to its accuracy.
I'd love to shoot the CZ but on my budget the Canik still shoots better than I do. Paid $299 4 years ago for a new Canik TP9SF, dropped in an $80 Freedomsmith trigger & got a 2nd magazine. At 25 yards offhand this matches my Ruger MK 3 .22 (with Volquartsen trigger kit). I never expected a centerfire pistol to shoot with my Ruger .22 but this Canik does it.
I see your point, but don't entirely disagree. The connection between shooter and gun is as important as trigger tuning or great sights, etc. These parts might bring the bling, but they are also extremely practical.
Make a video on cz shadow 2 dwx and cz ts 2 orange bull barrel varients which one is more accurate in groupint at 25 meters.. does ts2 bull barrel really improve accuracy or its only sale tactics
I'd love to see a Canik competitor shoot against a CZ competitor & then have them compete again swapping their guns. Which one wins that? Of course are the shooters equivalent? Almost never but it would fun to see the results!
I don't have either of these models but I do have a CANIK TP9SF pistol and it exceeds expectations especially for the price. My CZ75B omega pistol is all steel and is way easier to shoot accurately and comfortably I'm 64 years old and it was little difficult to get used shooting striker fired polymer pistols.
Great video. Since speed wasn't really involved, the difference was in the trigger. Easy to hold target with a sub 2lb trigger. Been comparing the TS2 and DWX. TS2 looking faster but then again a Dan Wesson and CZ collab, hard to choose.
The TS series has an amazing trigger that has no equal, BUT I agree that the wonderful crisp 90 degree glass-like break and short reset make it perform on par with the best of the best. My TSO has a 1.2 oz trigger so it's actually a bit too light for its weight, so in terms of weight vs performance, I really like the balance that the Rival has achieved. It really sets the bar as to what triggers should be moving forward.
I've learned that whenever I take out more than one gun to shoot with, if one is my Shadow 2(cheaper than TS2) then I better shoot the CZ last or I ruin the triggers on all other guns I bring. The shoot ability with the CZ & its trigger is just too good.
It really comes down to use. CZ'S are probably the better competition pistol, but thats it. Canik is a better do all gun. Ive never shot that specific CZ but the ones i have shot, the weight is just to much for anything besides comp shooting. I would hate to carry one concealed,for duty, or even a side arm for hiking. So unless u shoot in competitions id go canik every time for its diverse use, and its competitive price🎉
Any self respecting person should own at least one of each in my opinon, but this isn't the Joshua's Opinion channel, now is it? Lol. Seriously though, they both have their merits. The CZ is certainly better, but there is no shame in what Canik has been putting out. Especially when one considers their price point.
I agree. A lot of people dismiss Canik for the price, but I think their advantage in price comes from building it in a country with a lot lower labor costs. CZ's are excellent, but any lover of great shooting firearms owes it to themself to shoot the Rival. Once you shoot it downrange, it's merits are hard to ignore.
Just going by cost alone and knowing my budget restraints I would have to go with the Canik, maybe that's why I already own 2 of them a TP9V2 and a TP9DA. I am infact saving for a Rival S. I only own 2 CZs a CZ52 and I believe the other is CZ27. I'm afraid I can't check the exact model of the older gun as I'm in the process of moving from our house to a smaller more manageable apartment. I have on more than one occasion looked at and fondled examples of the newer CZs but I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger as it were for what for me would be just a range toy. The Canik range toy, yeah I can see me doing that. Maybe with the tax refund.
I've owned a ruger american in 45acp sold that I also had a 72 year old 1911 in 38.super from the Korean wars I think that's what I was told and I own a canik tp9sfx my favorite is the canik not far behind the 1911 and last of all hand guns the ruger american
I have the TS2 and shadow. I sold the sfx I just didn’t like the grip. Canik is a good gun, if I am going to use a poly frame gun I use my glocks. If it’s a big match it’s a 2011 or the Shadow. I have a steel Canik on the bench, but haven’t had a chance to run it in a match.
Oh, I have those glasses. Good glasses. I got a new updated pair recently, I still love my old buckets. I want to send them in for some new, updated lenses. They are apparently a bit darker and have better clarity now than the buckets I bought 10 years ago.
Both of your pistols look and appear to shoot wonderfully. But the idea that I can get two plus some ammo for the price of one? Yeah. That's pretty big. =) About how much did the Canik cost after the upgrades, please? Delightfully shot video with the open-mindedness I have come to expect over the years from your channel, Justin Opinion! =)
Looked like the CZ held a little flatter but unless you're shooting competition I'm not sure there's enough difference that a casual shoot will notice the difference. Without an accuracy test at a bench with paper targets its hard to say which is more accurate. We know this shooter is more accurate with the CZ but maybe the next is or is not
You basically turned the Canik into a heavier Canik to make it perform better and more in line with the CZ. Not sure that makes sense as folks who buy polymer guns are fundamentally looking for a lighter gun or they would just buy a steel gun and not have to buy extra parts.
How interesting. As a young man working as a sniper with my spotter, who happened to be my best friend. We had gone through the USAF together and been recruited to work for another department in the government. In our jobs, we both carried CZs. Our department had our own dedicated armorer. As a result, all of our firearms were accurate beyond anything we had ever carried in the Air Force. The CZs were very reliable tools for us, and we did depend upon them with our lives in certain occasions. Nonetheless, this was an interesting and entertaining episode. Thank you, Justin. Now, I would like to have an introduction to your friends at Lock grips as the new Canik that i have coming would be great to be enhanced by some of their services. Pretty, please, Justin? Again, my thanks!
No Comparison. I have a Canik dark side and a CZ TSO. The Canik is beyond amazing for a Polymer gun and it has TOO many pluses to count for the price. But the CZ is unbreakable! I ran it without cleaning for over 3000 rounds without a single malfunction. It shoots significantly better. I would take the Canik over any polymer except my VP9 long slide.
Also one difference that you didn't mention is the Canik Rival & Canik Rival-S have started showing issues with Mag over insertion and issues with the mag lock causing some drop out & release issues. Great Guns I hope they get the issues worked out whatever they maybe.
Price does not matter when you are getting A or C with the ts2 and D or misses with the canik . Don't forget the ts2 is an IpSC Standard devision gun. That's the reason it was made ...so no I don't care how much it costs as long as I have that perfect 8N or 800gr or 1.7 pound single action only trigger . To be honest the ts2 is cheap . Try and get that performance from a 2011....maybe if you pay 3500+ stacatto range money
No Canik is nowhere as good as CZ. I have a Rival that I’ve modified - brass back strap, magwell, Freedom Smith trigger. It’s one of my best shooting pistols but nowhere near the quality of CZ. I’ve had a few light primer strikes and the cerakote is wearing badly. Another favorite pistol is have is the CZ P07 w/ mcarbo kit, grip tape, slide cuts and optics cut for a 507. Before I had an armorer mess up the pistol by installing the M Carbo kit it fired everyone single round with no issues. It wears better, shoot better (more accurate) and the P07 is a duty gun, not a competition one
Your misses with the Canik on the 6 inch square targets were so far off - judging by the impact on the berm - that it's hard to believe that you were aiming correctly.
I have 2 9mm pistols. 1) Taurus millennium g2. 2) Canik sfx rival. The taurus was my 1st pistol (about 3 years now ) and all I ever did with it was just play around, never really serious about even target practice. Then a couple weeks ago I got the rival because I did want something better. Today I took both pistols out and wanted to see just how many times I could hit the targets at 25 yds. I am not an expert in any sense of the word, just a weekend warrior who likes to waste ammo. With the canik, I'm at the point where I can pretty much hit 18 rds out the 18 rd mag. The g2 (once again, never shot it seriously) I actually took my time and it performed much better than I expected for a sub $250 gun. Now having said that, The targets were set back to 100 yds for some rifle shooting. I thought I give the canik a try at 100 yds. How did I do? Well not great but did hit the steel target about 6-7 times out of 18 shots and this was only my 2nd time shooting the canik.
CZ TS2 has excellent accuracy and recoil, but lacks light rail and home defense use. Its cost allows Me to buy a Canik SFX Rival plus a Canik SFX Rival S. The overall quality of the Canik Rival series is unsurpassed for the value. Canik best value on the market.🔝🆙🎯💯❤ CZ has great weapons, which I love, but Canik is awesome!
CZ has been a leader in firearms manufacturing since it’s creation in 1936, but Canik factory is established in 2012, which is 75 years after. Canik targeted US market with the guns that look “cool” with the features nobody knows why they are there, and American market only, because American mentality is that things must be cheap but doesn’t need to be good, while Europian mentality is just the opposite: It must be good, not cheap.
