Can THE CLAW Compete?

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The MSI Claw is an interesting device. It's different than lots of the devices out there in many ways, but is that a good thing?
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00:46 Steve and Amanda
01:22 MSI Claw Review
02:21 Unboxing
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08:42 The System
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@da3726 Месяц назад

Thank you for saving my junk. That deserves a like

@thefoxhouse Месяц назад

It’s nice to see an actual positive review on the MSI Claw

@illustriouschin Месяц назад

Is it positive or is it accurate?

@jackdoobie Месяц назад

I fought the claw and the claw won.

@_Majoras Месяц назад

gonna hold off until the successor, the msi hook

@CrashD6 Месяц назад

MSI PAW

@MrREAPERsz Месяц назад

The MSI finger

@SeldomSeen-if4pq Месяц назад

😂

@SeldomSeen-if4pq Месяц назад

@@CrashD6 😂

@beowolf410 Месяц назад

This just adds to competition which benefits the consumer in the long run. It isnt for me but I'm sure theres intel purists that have been waiting for this thing to hit the market.

@imaginalex5850 24 дня назад

it is just e waste to launch a handheld so weak, they should know better

@ItWasAllPartOfMyPlan Месяц назад

Claw? More like mittens

@SeldomSeen-if4pq Месяц назад

The msi flipper.

@kylespevak6781 Месяц назад

Claw related to gaming is a bad thing

@crystal_is_cozy Месяц назад

I like that you’re giving this one a chance and making a point that a huge chunk of its shortcomings are price related. Interesting and entertaining as always! Thanks for the vid!

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

Thanky! Yeah I had good fun with this. I was expecting to hate it from the sentiment online but it's a really nice gaming experience. I don't doubt that they'll cut the price. MSI is usually the 'budget midrange' option when it comes to PC stuff like laptops, monitors, etc. I'm sure they'll undercut the competition once their initial push trails off.

@the_nerdbucket Месяц назад

all hail, TechDweeb! SAVIOR OF JUNKS!

@SirCaco Месяц назад

"The Claw" in the world of handhelds has a different meaning if you were a part of the oldschool PSP Monster Hunter scene. I wonder who the genius was that came up with that technique.

@poultrylord7300 Месяц назад

I could never get into the MH games on the PSP despite loving the series, holding the console like that was sooo uncomfortable after even like 5 minutes. Couldn't even kill a Gendrome before cramping up!

@Seikatsu Месяц назад

@@poultrylord7300 I just pretend its a zelda game and constantly use L to put the camera behind you every 10 seconds

@SirCaco Месяц назад

@@poultrylord7300That's unfortunate. It wasn't a comfortable grip by any means, but it was the meta and we powered through the pain. At some point it just kinda stopped hurting. Never stopped getting me some weird looks in the train though.

@chronossage Месяц назад

The claw has never died. People are currently using it in Helldivers 2 on modern controllers for inputting stratagems.

@arondyte318 Месяц назад

My left hand suddenly cried in pain when I read this comment

@pspsmallz Месяц назад

Finally a reasonable review for this that isnt pure hyperbole. The shoulder buttons, software for tuning power usage and the price seem like the biggest set backs based on what you said. Hopefully their next version of the claw can fix all that and the first claw gets heavily discounted. Thanks for the fair review, techdweeb.

@shto4782 Месяц назад

why do you need to send it back? msi what are you doing? let the guy keep it, he freaking promotes it.... If I would be them I would send you 3 at least

@gnarlyblasterboys4123 Месяц назад

I love how you haven’t blown your nose since 1986… subbed!

@eldercristian7329 Месяц назад

Tech D. froze for a moment 😆 one of my favourite channel about Retro and technology!

@BandoidView Месяц назад

I like the paddle buttons. They can come in very handy, especially when you need to add UI functions when streaming games. For instance, I use the right back paddle as the Xbox home button when I'm streaming from there. Edit: I have a ROG Ally

@borf42 Месяц назад

Thank you for saving my junk! You're the best!

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

Always lookin out for ya Borf

@andyredfearn3002 Месяц назад

The main issue is this is still worse than the Rog Ally (as a whole), so the price has to actually be even lower than the already discounted Ally to make anyone take a serious look. Good review. Maybe if they bundle a Steve and a Amanada version together in one giant package, along with a less junk destroying Claw, they'll have a winner.

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

Yeah the price is the biggest flaw here. Good device, at the wrong price.

@JermundOttermo 18 дней назад

Liked and subscribed, thanks for the laughs and valuable security ..tip.

@garethevans2499 Месяц назад

"among the worst bumpers i have ever felt" title of your mum's... Oh forget it.

@GameplayTubeYT Месяц назад

You have a Lenovo Legion Go Content can't find it? Can you give me link?

@baoquoc3710 Месяц назад

tbh, after the whole Asus ROG Ally SD card melting and troublesome RMA reputation, the MSI will now at least have some chance to be the Ally alternative aside from the Lenovo Legion Go, which is a more solid handheld than the other two, but spotty availability held it back

@dementedp 26 дней назад

The Claw needs to be at least 550-600 USD to be competitive. At that price point the Ally or the Steam Deck are way better choices.

@Joshua.670 2 дня назад

I got mine for 600 at best buy

@AppNasty Месяц назад

The amount of quality in Tech Dweebs vids deserve at LEAST 250k subs by the end of 2024.

@xbostonboyiZfirex 24 дня назад

I’m having trouble with picking this the rog ally of the legion go. Which is best u think? I think the hall effect sticks are the 1tb drive and sd card that works are most important to me. But I also don’t think asus will drift if I do get it. But the legion go looks sick too. Is the intel cpu worse then the amd chipset?

@Sadtiric Месяц назад

Interesting points, sir! You may have just sold me on one after the inevitable price drop 💚. I know I want a Windows handheld eventually..

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

I think after the price drop, this'll be a great choice. MSI products are usually compelling because of the price:performance. This isn't there yet but I don't doubt it will be.

@Dracossaint Месяц назад

If the claw dropped $200. It probably wouldn't be the worst value, I am doubtful though that we will see a price drop. They really need to optimize low power usage mode a lot. I also think overall the software needs a lot more cooking and I have my doubts with MSI. Hopefully hand held companion picks up the slack

@jamesmannion7560 27 дней назад

My junk is safe for another week 😀 great video man. Looking at a handheld while I'm travelling.

@user-yg2dm5sf9r Месяц назад

Do you have the RGB20SX coming in for review? I'm waiting for your take on the device. 😊

@Hubwood 26 дней назад

Finally somebody beside me critisizing the terrible RB/LB Buttons...

@geerhead Месяц назад

I seen the thumbnail and thought of Jim Carrey in the movie liar liar and got a good chuckle.

@I4get42 Месяц назад

Good morning TD! hee hee, I see that playdoh toy knife you got on your desk so that Aden Walls gets a chuckle. 😀

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

Adin and I are going to knife fight with fisher price toys

@I4get42 Месяц назад

@@TechDweeb:-P Maybe his DnD character could hold it 😀

@ZwickTheEditor Месяц назад

Ain't on law when you're drinking the Claw! 😎

@Joloxx Месяц назад

Letsgooo new Vid!!

@meisner-effect Месяц назад

solid review, I done buying handhelds this year, the claw closed the deal, lol. funny as hell, hey that dude was your boring uncle Todd already , lol

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

Yeah Todd makes the rounds huh

@bembelknecht Месяц назад

That thumbnail had some "Nightmare on Dweeb-Street"-vibes...

@washuai Месяц назад

Sold at Costco? When? Where? What price?

@supergooglelee Месяц назад

I have just pre-ordered the new iPad Pro with OLED screen. Can’t wait to try some retro stuff on it. I hope the M4 chip can cope with PS2 emulation if an emulator eventually becomes available on iOS.

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

I'm jealous.

@MrTurtlebird Месяц назад

I am interested in seeing how the Claw improves over time. They really are gonna have to plummet that price though, especially with Asus getting ready to launch their Ally revision.

@DemocracyJones Месяц назад

Hey TD! Have you tried out the new bios (E1T41IMS.106) and gpu driver (31.0.101.5445) that got released yesterday? I don't have a Claw but MSI is claiming a 150% increase in performance in certain situations

@Dracossaint Месяц назад

Typically if something goes up. 150%. It's because it was fundamentally broken beforehand. Like I'm talking 15 fps to 45 fps broken

@DemocracyJones Месяц назад

@@DracossaintI don't know about broken but definitely not organized enough before release. This is a new thing from Intel like TechD mentions in the video. I'm just curious if he's tried out the new updates and got similar results. Tom's Hardware had an article about it yesterday but it read like they were just reporting on the updates and haven't tested it themselves

@Metal-Josh Месяц назад

Good looking machine. Too bad about price though. And I know this isn’t the place for my question, but I’m asking anyway. Would you recommend the 256gb lcd Steam Deck still? On a budget here

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

Oh definitely, the 256gb LCD deck is one of the best deals in gaming right now!

@Metal-Josh Месяц назад

@@TechDweeb (In a Mr Burns voice) “excellent!” Thanks TechDweeb, you could be a counsellor. Having the answers.

@CRAgamer Месяц назад

I haven't slept in two days. I genuinely thought this video was about claw gripping on handhelds.

@Ben-pi8nd Месяц назад

I have All 4 Big Devices testet and the Claw fits the Best in the hand

@steveweinberg462 Месяц назад

As a "Steve" I have to say... yeah.

@Stef2050 Месяц назад

Why'd TechDweeb just describe me in the intro??

@sacredvolt69 Месяц назад

I've watched a ton of reviews of the claw just because I like to see people dunk on this thing, and you're the first one I've heard mention the Vt-d issue. Feel like this needs to be more widely known, a 10% performance bump takes this thing from hot trash to actually possibly competitive. Still overpriced but not so terribly much

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

Yeah totally, although the responsibility is on MSI. If this really does provide such a big performance boost they need to include it as an update and enable it by default. The user shouldn't be expected to go into the BIOS just to get their games to run better! Hopefully if we can get the word out those that have a Claw can benefit in the meantime.

@charleshon6835 Месяц назад

is this the latest bios?

@Dracossaint Месяц назад

3:56 jokes on you! I'm into that! (Not really, but i found it funny)

@cameraman1234567890 24 дня назад

Waiting for better OLED version to come out

@rometherevenant8749 Месяц назад

Immediate love the video for the Jim Carrey reference

@hadamana Месяц назад

Where's that OLED Steam Deck review link in the description?

@washuai Месяц назад

It's the third link, did you click more to read the description?

@xSherlock07x 4 часа назад

What game is at 6:29?

@ralphmcmahan2139 Месяц назад

Lanyards are a big deal to me. Like I don't use my Steam Deck anywhere in the house that doesn't have carpet, important. My claws don't work great.

@Dads1stTime Месяц назад

I sense much Canada in TexhDweeb...

@Yeshuah6 Месяц назад

Love that im not the only one that jokes about eating the silica gel packs

@GNARUTOx Месяц назад

Baaaaabe, TD dropped the claw video. Grab the root beers!

@WIImotionmasher Месяц назад

All I've heard about the claw is that it's way worse and is useless. I'm glad to see your review show me what's actually going on: nearly identical performance to ROG Ally on battery power. TDP doesnt change but lower end games actually last longer on the claw. This changed my mind about the Claw. While I still would prefer the Steamdeck for it's steam input options with the touchpads and gyro. I would be willing to get a Claw too now. Atleast its build quality is better than the rog

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

Actually the claw is worse on battery power for high end games, but much better for lower end games. That's the big tradeoff I think. And the Ally has games that work better on it, for example cyberpunk is faster on the ally. But in the big picture they are very close.

@KevinAdams06 Месяц назад

My name is Kevin, I am a claw. Or that is what my wife says.

@danielwaters3188 Месяц назад

I feel like this is an evolution of a product that will be better in the future. That's not a critique, that's just my opinion, man.

@bullymaguire243 Месяц назад

Can wait for the successor, the Msi papercut

@cangel8563 Месяц назад

Windows handhelds aren't exactly inviting to me for some reason..

@moister3727 Месяц назад

Because of Windows, duh

@Curse0fMandos Месяц назад

A bowl is concave, not convex. Love your content.

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

OMG I can't believe I goofed that up. I feel like a dweeb 🤓

@Moatiz Месяц назад

Definitely an interesting device with lots of.... criticism but hopefully MSI and Intel will both take notes as this felt more like an experimental device rather than a fully baked one

@decisionparalysis7856 Месяц назад

Nothing can touch the Trackpads on the Steam Deck, those are pretty much standard in my eyes now. That being said I don't hold anything against these other devices and would still try them. Waiting for a Steam Controller modeled after the Deck now, it seems so simple to do, not sure what is taking so long. Valve please take my money!

@gdot1803 Месяц назад

Yep. I'm playing RTS games, TBS and old school CRPG on Deck and the trackpads are essential for playing them on handheld. You can try to use the touchscreen, but if the games were designed for mouse pointer, that feels janky and inaccurate and trying to use the analog stick feels even worse.

@kylespevak6781 Месяц назад

It's a shame Steamdeck isn't very powerful

@decisionparalysis7856 Месяц назад

@@kylespevak6781 Price to performance it is pretty powerful. It will play about anything you throw at it. It really doesn't need to be too overpowered to be honest. I am sure the next iteration will be better also, and they have given us a pretty good window between release. The oled was kind of a Nintendo move but not too bad, and totally worth it. The Steam Deck seems to be the winner of this cycle of devices, which is pretty experimental as it is at this point in time.

@kylespevak6781 Месяц назад

@@decisionparalysis7856 Literally it's power is the only thing I'm not sure about, otherwise I'd grab it as a second device. Kind of like the ROG for Windows as well so I could use an OS I'm more comfortable with.

@kylespevak6781 Месяц назад

@@decisionparalysis7856 Can it run Cemu well? That's a good gauge of what I'd be doing

@Mr4real0316 Месяц назад

The I-5 version with a terabyte and a case for 700 dollars might be compelling.

@kumaSOevl Месяц назад

I thought u we’re describing me in the beginning

@nrimichael4046 Месяц назад

If you are kidnapped show some hand gestures like the sos to call for help in your next video

@inovade Месяц назад

i still dont get why does it look very similiar with ally???

@fredericmanson441 Месяц назад

In the end, nothing beats the Steam Deck OLED...

@erictrauman2879 Месяц назад

real cool pimp

@sahabatgamerID Месяц назад

2:41 is that a coded message?🧐 Do we need to call 911? 🤔

@NoiseRockGamer Месяц назад

$700 is an absolute deal breaker.

@triage9082 Месяц назад

lol they want 1200 for it? ill stick to the z1 extreme ally lol.

@CandyChannel1966 23 дня назад

The price is way too expensive for me. It has no OLED screen either and the screen is too small for me

@Rockysbeats Месяц назад

its monstrous id take a pocket go any day and save a fortune

@cameraman1234567890 24 дня назад

I love MSI, but would have loved for AMD to be in this console, intel hasn’t really helped make things affordable for the price. Thats why this console struggles with price is because intel is more expensive.

@ranielnascimentoferreira8808 Месяц назад

Was hoping to see a toy story reference

@Brammen007 Месяц назад

Meh, to each their own I suppose. I think most peeps would be better served by a Legion Go, Ally, or SD oled.

@MiguelDeMarchena Месяц назад

If i can get a handheld pc i will go for steam deck because of linux.

@lalamove8712 Месяц назад

Idnt like claw. . I recomend asus deck or go

@kmjsuperfly1 Месяц назад

As a fellow Steve I resemble that comment.

@ryanfowlow8034 Месяц назад

Poor Steve's.

@Chrisdumm1 Месяц назад

That’s fair. 😉

@FPSmodz- Месяц назад

Nothing beats the steam deck. Valve please just give us all the drivers for windows. Also, it seems that all the steam deck alternatives try to be too 'gamery' with RGB and sleek edges.

@kylespevak6781 Месяц назад

ROG Ally with the extreme processor is more powerful though

@nickentros Месяц назад

The MSI Steve

@TechDweeb Месяц назад

And the ASUS Amanda 🤣

@RockDeer-Island Месяц назад

not trusting intel igpu and driver over amd offering for now, waiting intel catching up first

@axelgear666 Месяц назад

Not with that crappy intel processor and shitty igpu. Amd ryzen is still the champ, own a gpd win mini 2023. I set the TDP at 18 watts

@washuai Месяц назад

I wish I had a budget to deal with the risk proposition of GPD Win mini 2024. Steam Deck OLED support, repair, software gives more confidence

@axelgear666 Месяц назад

@washuai the lack of oculink is why I opted for the win mini 2023 version. Gpd win mini 2024 feels more or less a downgrade. Until thunderbolt 5 arrives to the scene, egpu bandwidth bottlenecks will continue to persist these devices. But I will never buy an Intel UMPC, they're graphic drivers stink

@washuai Месяц назад

@@axelgear666 great point about OCuLink, thanks

@axelgear666 Месяц назад

@washuai the only risk i see are the batteries, sooner or later aftermarket win mini batteries will arrive at the scene. (Especially on aliexpress) The joystick nubs are aftermarket k-silver hall effect sensor pads found on a few of the premium ambernic Linux handheld devices. In fact asides from gulikit, the aftermarket k-silvers are being utilized as replacement joycon sticks for the Nintendo switch

@superscatman4236 Месяц назад

The Claw thinks it's Fletcher Reede but really, it's Jerry.

@jadedshard9650 Месяц назад

yay halls of torment great game so much like gauntlet

@ogrejd Месяц назад

Hmm. I dunno if I'd want Wi-Fi that promises to kill my Intel...

@X862go Месяц назад

I can't. INTEL is a no-go🙅‍♂️

@markdove5930 Месяц назад

Is it at least good at ps3 emulation? If the answer is in the video I'm sorry

@Retrofire-47 Месяц назад

There are *other* individuals that are average, or below average, roughly 50% of the population, but that wouldn't be me. Of course not ;)

@donovan3562 Месяц назад

Not sure why any handheld manufacturer would go Intel. The TDP is always trash. Simply pumping more power into the device for better performance is not a viable play for handheld PCs

@Tubes78 25 дней назад

The price is it's biggest problem. It's almost 250 euro 💶 more expensive then a ROG Ally.

@kw9209 Месяц назад

Hmmm so that’s your secret to success…… silicon gel

@anthonylowe8819 Месяц назад

Nah the internals and battery aren’t up to par IMO. Let alone that price tag. It’s a pass.

@SeldomSeen-if4pq Месяц назад

"Variable refresh rate" means you aint playing aaa game at 1080p and think it will run smoothly.

@remy333 Месяц назад

Mediocre Steve says he’s no longer on speaking terms with you and he’d like his Patreon payment refunded. 👾

@Lycan3303 Месяц назад

Steam Deck OLED is best girl

@adinwalls Месяц назад

You’re scared of the claw… on a serious note in South Africa (and other countries I’m sure global brands like MSI and Asus) are able to get their more powerful Windows devices to use cheaper than the Steamdeck. That really changes the argument for a lot of people.